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The Stu Guts podcast. I've been having a little trouble with this horrifying Climate Stat of the Day segment because Adam McKay is a historically funny person, but this subject matter is a little bit difficult to make light. So I have come out here to Hollywood as part of our deal with his company, Hyperobject. And even though he's still just an intern at our company, he is trying very hard to make this segment into something that is both informative and light. But when I get here today, and the first thing he says to me by way of hello, is, hey, did you hear all the coral reef in Miami is now dead. It's not exactly something that is buoyant and effervescent and like, opening a champagne bottle, but we will continue. I have flown out here to see if, in collaborating with him, we can make this segment any better. Adam, are you there? Are you ready to try and make this segment into something that lifts your career here at Metalark?

Yes, Dan. And I think the way you told that story about the coral reef is kind of deceiving because you didn't describe the big high five I was giving you and the giant smile on my face and the Coach Prime T shirt that I had on. So in you telling the story, it's more negative than it actually was. And that kind of relates to what we're trying to do here, which is we're working with McKinsey, mostly the consulting firm, and we've seen that the data, the focus groups on this segment are way low on it. So we're trying to bring a more positive, up vibe to this. So you telling that story about the coral reef does not help, like, tell the whole story. First off, I've been working out, so I look jacked. Second off, I had a coach prime shirt on. Third off, big open tooth, pearly white smile. Fourth off, little 90 pound cheerleader at my right side. No relationship. I'm married, but it still feels good. So we have to really work on this to make this segment turn into hockey sticks, which is what this is all about.

We continue to try. I don't believe you've ever had such difficulty making anything into funny subject matter. You were a headwriter at Saturday Night Live in your early 20s. You invented Funny or Die. And here we are still trying to get this off the ground. But I do feel like the parachute in the parasail has caught a bunch of water here and we're in danger of drowning a little bit. Do you have any other business suggestions here for what we should be doing with Hyperobjects? Or give this some strength to give this a little more lightness and buoyancy so that we can have whatever you're calling hockey sticks.

Not whatever I'm calling hockey sticks. Hockey sticks are what pay your bills, mike's bills. I mean, don't be kind of dismissive and roll your eyes. So the big thing we did with the McKinsey guys, which by the way, they are dying to have dinner with you. I mean, Chet Crispin, Ovalia, they would love to go out to dinner with you. And the McKinsey group are fantastic. Mike's been hanging out with them a lot and they've really hit it off.

I'm uncomfortable with what you've done to Mike. He's gone full Hollywood and you've got him with these agents and monsters and I don't know whether I'm ever going to get him back. He is fully bought in on all your Hollywood bullshit.

Can I just say this, and I mean this with all due respect, shush. Mike is doing great. Metal Lark is doing great. So the big thing this group of brilliant, talented McKinsey people told me is that even my image when I pop up, feels flimsy. So we worked with and we spent a lot of money on this and know, Skipper's a little pissed because it comes out of Metal Lark. So we worked with some of the greatest Disney animators in history and focus groups and polling numbers and we came up with the happiest image we can come up with for Adam McKay talking about climate. So I don't know if you're showing that image now, but that image, and I'll show our work a little bit here, cost $6.3 million. The image you're seeing. And Dan, quit being cynical.

It doesn't seem like a good spending.

Be a human being. Let your body answer. Do you feel better seeing that image?

I mean, yes, but not when you tell me what the price tag of the image is. Like, yes, the image is better than not having the image, but that seems like it's way too expensive. Why are you steamrolling us in every business adventure we make with you?

I mean, the bottom line is, Dan, like, yes, we're confronting a climate emergency. Like, the climate is hotter than it's been in 300,000, 700,000, a million years, but we have a wonderful free market economy that is operating in the United States and worldwide. And if we don't acknowledge that, we're going to just be running in place. So I'm trying to be a grown up. I'm trying to talk about net zero carbon capture, all the things that Chevron Exxon, Shell are talking about so we can do this in a grown up way. So as part of that, I worked with the McKinsey Group, which by the mean Mike and I hit the raw bar with them last night. They are a so this feels wrong.

This really does feel wrong. This is not going the way that I thought it was going to go. I don't mean the segment, I mean the relationship.

We're friends outside this, right?

Yes.

So can I be honest?

I hope so.

You sound like a twelve year old. Like you sound so naive right now, like, oh, it's wrong. I can't go in the tree fort because I don't you know what mean?

Like greed. Greed is not maturity, Adam. Capitalism is not being my most maximum mature adult.

Look, if you want to go hold a radio up outside the CEO of Goldman Sachs, like John Cusack and say anything, like, do it. But meanwhile, Mike and I are in the grown up world. We're trying to get things done. I spoke with our great McKinsey team that's now working with Metal Lark, and we went through the idea of what should the climate stat of the day be? And so there's a new climate stat that will inform people, but not bum people out or make them feel powerless.

Hold on, I've got to play the imaging for this. If you're going straight into the stat, the horrifying climate stat of the day, are you doing that or are you going to cue me? Because I had to travel with all of our equipment here and I've got a button I've got to press if we're going to get the music.

Well, I think what we set up is not what we're doing, because I was just with Agralia and Travis outside the office talking about this climate stat, so we've kind of switched it up. And the cool thing about this climate stat is that we're getting some sort of sponsorship money out of it, that it's actually going to make Metalark and Hyperobject some money. But still, we kind of feel like, yeah, we're taking money, but it's going to actually help people understand what's going on. So with that in mind, I'd like to give it to you.

Okay. But I'm going to play my music here. And does the money we're getting in sponsorship offset the amount of money you spent on this ridiculous AI figure that you have on the screen?

No?

Okay, excellent. Hold on a second.

Die. We're all going to die. We're all going to die. We're all going to die. The oceans are all burning and we're all wondering why. Let's turn on the news and find out how we're going to die.

You're good.

When it comes to customer service and quality energy options, where does Exxon rank from one to ten?

What do you mean? Where do they rank?

Number one. So that's the climate stat of the day.

What do you mean? Exxon ranks number one in terms of energy conservation. What are you talking about?

I mean, Dan, if you hear the real climate stat of the day, your listeners, everyone's going to be bummed out. It's going to hurt. Metal Lark right now, I'm looking through our studio window. The McKinsey crowd is going to be, like, neutral faced. They never get that happy or sad, but they'll get super neutral faced. Do you really want the stat of.

The I want a climate stat of the day real quick.

We're at 1.75 degrees celsius warming above preindustrial numbers. Right now. Once we hit two degrees Celsius, if that maintains, a billion people will die, which is something like eight times the amount of people that died during World War II. I just got a thumbs down from the McKinsey crowd.

I don't think that people understand when you go on these degrees and Celsius and these decimal points now, everyone understands a billion people dying, but I don't think people necessarily understand how we are in a place that there is no turning back from that. Once we get to 2.0, there's no fixing anything.

Yeah, I mean, that's word for word what the McKinsey crowd was telling Mike and I last night at the raw bar, by the way, chilled crab. Like it was a four tiered seafood tower flavored martinis. Apple flavored martinis. Great, great night. But they said that, too. Like America doesn't use celsius. Like, who cares? How are we doing this? And I told them, I was like, look, it's really simple. Oil, gas and coal. We burn it, it goes into the atmosphere and it traps heat and it cooks the planet. And then all of them gave that aggressive, neutral face. So we had a choice. Mike and I like, do we ignore that or do we look at professionals who kind of get the big picture? And granted, Mike and I had had a couple of apple teenies at that point, but we both decided, let's go with the Exxon stat, which, by the way, number one for customer satisfaction, delivery of energy. Darren woods, the great, great job.

They bought you with oysters. Exxon bought you with oysters.

No, stop it. And you sound like a child.

I'm very disappointed with how it is that this is all going. All of it. I'm talking about all of it.

Look at the image of me.

It doesn't make me feel any better.

Really?

The 6.3 million is too much.

I'm going to give you that. Like, Skipper was like, why not a.

Good use of our money? Adam, what are you doing?

It's not so I think we have to be honest with each other. I screwed up on the image. That was too much money. You screwed up talking about the climate like it's a bummer emergency.

Your status made up. Exxon is not the number one energy conservationist in the world. What kind of stat is that?

Conservationist, customer satisfaction and delivery of fossil fuel energy. And the other stat about how we're at 1.7 degrees Celsius warming today, and once we cross two degrees Celsius, a billion people will die. By the way, that's a conservative estimate. All right, I just got a big thumbs down from the McKinsey team, so I'm going to stop.

Yes, let's stop.

And I'm going to say exxon.

Yes. Let's just play the happy music.

Yeah. All right. We're working on it. We're working on it.

We're all going to die. We're all going to die. We're all going to die. The ocean.

That's exactly how he was laughing when he told me the coral reef had died and was wearing his prime shirt. Don levitard amino hassan stugats. This is the don levitard show with the stugats. There are a lot of things daily that remind me of my age. A lot of people in the audience and around the show have been making fun of me because I cannot keep up anymore with social media. I am the target victim of butt crack and ball sack. Sports is a very I was like, where are we going with can't I thank you, brad. Brad williams, amin and charlote in here with us in hollywood. I can't keep up anymore, amin, and I know you're having some trouble with it, too, but I'm alarmed when charlotte says she is now woefully falling behind. She is being left behind by social media. Simply cannot keep up.

I feel it feel I tried for a little while to make TikToks and I was like, no one's watching these. If I think they're funny, nobody else thinks they're funny. I'm wasting time making something so I stopped. Then twitter is just x is just like an absolute wasteland. So I'm like, I can't look at this. I can't understand my mentions anymore. And then instagram, I like some of the basic memes on instagram and I like watching TikTok, but I feel like I'm just giving up. I feel like I'm watching a car drive off without me. And I'm like, you know what? We had a good ride.

Godspeed via candid.

No, it's funny because for me, I wonder whether is twitter x wasteland? Because I remember I used to be on top of the things that people talk about and now I feel like either the things that people are talking about just don't make sense to me. Like, for instance, the 48 oyster date. I don't know if you guys have seen no, right.

I would know what that is in previous years, right.

Either it's that well, it's this woman that went out on a date and she ordered four dozen oysters apparently in a date, got up and basically said, I'm going to the bathroom and then just left. Right. But I don't think that's typically not something that I would have cared about or care about now. Or is it that it is something I used to care about and now I just don't care anymore. So that'll happen a lot of times. Dan I'll be watching a game. I'll watch the whole game and I'll rewatch parts of it and I'll talk about it with my friends and stuff. And then someone will say, did you.

See the whole controversy?

I'm like, what everyone on twitter was talking about. Like what? Oh, well, something in the third quarter. And I'm like, no. And this is the kind of stuff that people on twitter like to argue about. I'm like, I'm not interested in that anymore. I just don't care. But there is a feeling of disconnection you feel after that.

Absolutely. And every time I think I'm going to quit Twitter, then the Kevin James meme happens, and I'm like, all right, I'm back in.

See, I saw that on Instagram. Instagram has become where I see things, and a lot of times there's screenshots of things from Twitter, but I don't see it on Twitter.

I also do think, though, the Internet is just like it's a corporate sinkhole now. It used to be that you could just stumble along and find some weird. I have all these sense memories and sort of flashes of images from weird games I would play, or some weird site someone made where a ghost pops up for a second and then it goes away. And it felt so fresh and weird. And now it's like you see these things, you'll see things on Instagram, you see them on Twitter, but it's exhausting. It feels like there's this constant churn of people needing to put out these things to feed out, and it loses some of its wonder.

So watch this. Are you aware of why people are paying for blue check marks on Twitter?

So they can post longer things?

I mean, that's one of the perks. The biggest thing is, how many followers do you have on Twitter? Let's start there. 85,080, 5000. When you tweet, your tweet is showing up to a fraction of a percent. They're throttling you. So you're 85,000 followers. Only about 8500 are going to get Charlote's actual tweet. And the other ones, if they stumble upon it through someone else that they follow, retweeting it, maybe, but they're just not seeing your content unless they go to your page. You pay for the blue check mark, every one of your followers is going to get it in their curated timeline. Right. So then you put on top of that, if you are a blue check mark, which means you're paying, and you have a certain number of followers and you have a certain number of views of your posts over the last three months, I think it's 5 million, then you start getting paid. What, for your tweets? Yes.

So now what is Elon like venmoing you on the side?

Yeah. Like, you put in your bank account info and every month you get a certain amount of money. So what we've done was what used to happen on Twitter ten years ago was Charlote would post some funny joke.

Or just like the funniest, most brilliant.

Joke you've ever heard, or maybe a picture of a storefront that she saw where they misspelled a word or whatever, and it would legitimately go viral because people go, that's funny. And it goes around. Now it's like, no, the ones that are going viral are the people who paid money to make sure their stuff go viral. And when you pay money to make sure your stuff goes viral. Are you just saying that's a funny sign, or are you sitting around thinking of ways to go viral? It takes all the organic out of it.

I feel like this is the scene from the movie Twister where Bill Paxton go, they went out and got themselves some corporate sponsors. Now it's evil.

I have talked a lot about the fact that we are not talking enough about how people in general are addicted to this thing and what they think are the realities of this thing, even though there isn't a lot of reality in what it is that's happening there. I don't believe that we've spent nearly enough time examining, because I think most people I say addiction, you say, okay, that's a pejorative term. You don't want to be addicted to anything. But I don't think we've spent enough time talking about or examining what a mental health calamity this entire thing is that we are addicted to. I have told my wife that if I was not in this industry, I would frisbee my iPad into the ocean. I don't want to be connected to this thing, but I feel like I have a responsibility to be connected to this thing, and it's where I feel like I'm always falling behind, because if you're not constantly attendant to it, you're missing out on the Big 48 oyster story. You're feeling like a real idiot because Amin is saying something and you don't know what he's talking about. And it has me at 04:00 A.m. On Sunday morning trying to figure out why farting is trending because AOC evidently farted on us.

Or somebody thought she farted. And I'm chasing just these stupidities yeah.

It takes me a while, and I'm keeping to be reminded of this, that the social media world is not the world, and it's not what the vast majority of people are thinking. When the Montgomery, Alabama Doc fight video went viral, I was like, cool, I'm going to talk about this on stage. And I went right to stage and I talked about it, and the audience was staring at me like, the what?

Yeah, the huh?

I'm like the video, the chairs, black guy swimming. Come on, we have and they were just staring at me. They didn't know what I was talking about. So you need those reminders every now and then of like, oh, yeah, Twitter is not the world.

Do you think that the people listening to this do you think that we have an awareness about this thing that you're consuming or addicted to or presently tethered to at too much of the time? It's unhealthy that what we're doing is actively and consciously unhealthy?

Yeah, not only unhealthy, but the people behind these apps know it. Scientifically research. The Instagram story that came out last year, where they know what it does to people, and they are playing into those darkest points, all of them.

Like Google, if you search, like, nice pair of leather shoes near me. They will show you they know based on your history or, like, best pair of blank. They are not going to show you the actual best thing. They're going to show you what the ad dollars will give them the most money for, or what your habits. It's burying actual stuff for the stuff. It's like Twitter for the stuff people have paid for. And I think that the goal for all of these companies is to have you not leave their platform. Like, Facebook realized that when you could link to news stories, people clicked. It took them away from their platform. So, oh, we're pivoting to organic video suck. People in Instagram realized, oh, well, we can't just be pictures anymore, even though that's what our customer base says they want, because the way we will keep people sucked in is with video after video after video, and if they lose your eyeballs, if you leave their site, they have lost something. So it's in their best interest to keep you as hooked as possible.

Yeah. My wife is addicted to Facebook Marketplace, so she doesn't go to Amazon anymore. She goes to Facebook Marketplace, and she's obsessed with this group called Buy Nothing. I don't know if you guys yes. So Buy Nothing, for those who don't know, it's just a free exchange. You say, hey, this is what I have. I'm charging no money and come take it, and you are not allowed to pay anything on Buy Nothing.

Amin's trying to grab his phone right.

Now.

But the side effect of this is my wife saw some records on Buy Nothing, and I had just gotten a record player, so she wanted to do the very sweet thing of like, oh, I'm going to get my husband some records. So then she goes to this person's house, a strange house. She pulls up. I'm here for the records. And they go, Great. They bought out, like, four pallet jacks of records. Just insane. And not records that you want to hear.

It's like Mind comp on audio, three.

Copies, three different languages. And now she has a pallet jack of records in the back.

Oh, she had to take it all.

She's too nice of a person. She didn't say no. She's like, okay, I got myself into this scenario.

Did the person buy it to give them away?

No, they got it from their dead grandfather or something.

They had it. And I was like, I don't want this. Just get someone.

Come take do you have them?

Yes, I have all the records. There's a room in my house that is now the record room, and not in a way, are you going to.

Go back to Buy Nothing and now sell the ones or give away the ones you don't want.

If you're in the Los Angeles area and you see me holding one record buyer beware, it's not going to be one.

You know what you should do? You should bring them with you to the show and then autograph them.

Yeah, sign them here's. Rosemary Clooney singing a nursery rhyme, but I'm going to sign it. By the way, that's literally a record that we have.

Do you any of you feel shame when your computer tells you that your screen time is up by week?

I have gotten mine down, though. I've been like, this feels awful. I need to not look at this. And then when it does go up, I feel like I haven't gotten my steps in the screen time. Steps are also directly correlated. It'll be like your screen time went up 60% and you walked 1ft, you giant slob.

It's such a sobering moment when I'm just sitting there on a Friday and all of a sudden the thing pops up and it's like you averaged 12 hours a day and you're just like.

And then it says, and you're down 7%.

He just said to her, like an AA meeting support group. Good for you. You're down. Your screen time is down.

Thank you.

I was like, you're working around here.

Yeah.

You're getting better and that's wonderful.

Thank you so much.

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I have told you guys how alone I feel trying all over America to pay cash for things and feeling like I'm being discriminated against because my cash is no good unless you have a tip jar, because so many of these places, they'll take only my credit card right up until the tip jar is there. They all have tip jars and those don't take credit cards.

I'm telling you right now, Dan, I'll take your cash anytime you need.

Well, I was delighted to go to a comedy show earlier this week and have this happen because it was cash only. First of all, cash only. And not only cash only, but so old school that when I got there, the woman who took my cash went and fished the change out of her bra, put the cash in her bra and took it out of her bra. But do you think that if there are many cash only places anywhere that people now with cards that the tide has shifted so much on this that people with cards feel like I do with cash? What do you mean I only can pay cash here? That seems like something that's unfair to me. Is the reverse happening?

Oh, yeah. I never have cash. And if they say I can't pay with even my phone, sometimes I'll walk around without even a card. I'll just have my phone out doing the little double tap. Look at your face. Beep.

The wild thing is, when I was a kid, I learned in social studies that cash is legal tender, meaning they cannot refuse you if you're paying in cash. So even if you showed up to McDonald's, as I did in high school.

I get offended every time.

Jar full of pennies and counted them out to buy four cheeseburgers that were thirty nine cents a pop on Wednesdays. They had to take it. And now yesterday, or maybe the day before yesterday, I went to a breakfast spot. I'm not going to give them free pub, even though I love their breakfast sandwiches.

I love their Big Mac.

And no cash. The woman in front of me tried to pay in cash. Sorry, no cash. And I said, Are you allowed to do that? I thought that was illegal. Or has that changed? Have they changed that law? Or was that never a law? Was I lied to during social studies?

On Sunday, I went to a concert that it said on the ticket, this is a cashless venue, which I'm like, great, I never have cash.

Maybe it's just that no one's enforcing it. Maybe it's not legal.

There you go, Dan. Stop lobbying.

It doesn't seem to me like it should be legal. I don't know if you guys have noticed, incidentally, because Mike's mood can be something that is sometimes hard to read, but I feel like Mike Ryan I don't know if I've analyzed this correctly, but I feel like Mike Ryan hasn't been himself at all this week. And I think the reason for it is because he hasn't gotten the airtime that he wants to laugh at Deion Sanders in Colorado. That had happened on Saturday. And I got up on Sunday morning to a bunch of texts of photographs of what I thought was some of the whitest celebrating I'd ever seen. It's not only Stanford football offensive linemen, but it looks like they're flexing. And what they're actually doing is they're doing Shador Sanders, the flashing of the Rolex, but none of them are wearing watches. They're all flashing the Colorado bench, making fun of Colorado and Shador Sanders for that celebration.

This is where the Miami persecution complex comes from, because I was just on the heels of an entire week of everybody laughing at Miami. And granted, it was embarrassing for different reasons, but that is a national embarrassment. These are not my words. These are Coach Prime's words. He's fessed up to it being super embarrassing, but yeah, I would have liked to have laughed at their expense a little bit more, considering that Dan Lebitard has been quoted as saying one year in he's fixed it. He's fixed it.

No, I said he's worth the money. He's worth the money. There's no disputing that he's worth the money. Wait a minute.

You got to clear out.

Takes time to fix it.

They are relevant. That is winning.

Yeah, well, not relevant enough to apparently wait till midweek to laugh at their expense here on the Dan LeBatard Show, because that was hilarious for all the amazing reasons. And I do want to give credit to Travis Hunter because he played with a lacerated liver, I think. And you. Would say that, wow, he really struggled in that game. He gave up about 300 yards to a Stanford receiver that was just bullying him. But also, Travis Hunter, the receiver, was brilliant in that game. So I can't on one end say, well, he was bad because of the injury, and then ignore how great he was on the other side of the ball. It's a little OD when you have that. This being said, I love Dion Sanders'leadership throughout that, and I've credited him with his approach on certain kids. Even though Cormanni McLean was absent on the field, I guess he stepped into it again. I think his leadership and believe me, the cameras were there to catch it, about ignoring social media, and this loss was difficult on a lot of the players. It's unfair the expectations that we've projected over the last few weeks in the coverage that we've projected on Colorado, because Colorado is absolutely the type of football team, year over year from last year, that can blow a lead to Stanford, that can eke out a victory over Arizona State.

That is their class. It's unfair what we've put on them, but if you're going to put them on there, if you're going to run an entire week's worth of daytime content from ESPN and crown their ass, then we're going to laugh at them, too.

But that's the problem, right? There is no in between. You can't have a sober appraisal of what they are. It's either, oh, my God, he's amazing, they're amazing. Of course, that's what he does. But I think one of the things that you mentioned is I'm staggered how people aren't listening to the things that he's actually saying, because through all of that, Dion is incredibly old school in the way he coaches, in the way he holds people. Like, the Cormanni McLean thing is fascinating because how many other schools in America would have been like, the hell with it, just play the kid. He was a big time recruit and he'll figure it out, right? And Dion saying, no, we have expectations and standards, and if you don't meet them, I don't care, you're not going to play.

Yeah.

And those are expectations at Colorado, right? Which it's a lot easier to become academically eligible at the University of Colorado. It's a lot easier to throw someone out there like Cormanni McLean, given where Colorado was as a program, out there from everybody else. But you've warped people, people that have been in this industry for a long time that are crowning their ass, but the opposite side.

Right. People who are intent on, he's awful. They're awful. Ha. See, I told like I said, there's.

No place, never been me, I'm enjoying laughing at their expense because it's absurd. The credit that he's getting right there.

Sure, but Danny cannell for instance, some of the things he says, I'm like.

That's an FSU thing, though, with Danny.

Sure.

But it represents it might be other things.

Sure, absolutely. But it represents kind of the other side of almost. There has to be an infinite amount of hatred because there seems to be an infinite amount of love. One of the things that I thought was mind blowing was that first loss they had where you had all the people all the way on this side doing a victory lap.

Oregon.

And then so they lost Oregon. And remember, the video came out of the speech where the coach comes out and says they do it for clicks. We do it for whatever.

Something more noble.

Something more noble. Right.

And of course, Oregon, something less flashy, something less black, something whatever he was doing, he was doing something that suggested we're the opposite of whatever they are.

But that's the thing that hold on, right?

So the number of people who are in our industry who have been very rah rah, dion Sanders, who took so much offense to that speech, I said, have you been in a locker room before? Do you think, guys, now, those are good guys out there. We're pretty good, too. Let's go out there and give them a good no. You go out there and say they're evil. We got to destroy them. I once heard a coach in our locker room as part of the pep talk to say, that team we're playing Cleveland like they're from the east. We're out here in the west. You guys don't remember the cold war? In the cold war, the west and the east were mortal enemies, and our mission was to destroy the east. Tonight, guys, our cold war begins. I'm like you made a cold war analogy because we're on a regular season game against Cleveland in like February or whatever. But that's what the locker room speeches are. They're supposed to be over the top and very kind of polarizing.

The whole thing reminds me a little bit of the bachelor. Hear me out. Everybody said on the bachelor, people would be like, well, or the Bachelorete say, Bachelorete, you have one woman, a bunch of guys, and guys would be like, well, he's not here for the right reasons, and I am. And it's like, no, you're not. We're all here to be on television. We're all here to make money for ourselves and for this program. We're all here to win. There are no right reasons. So I think that there's a lot of this equivocating between, well, Dion's not doing it the right way, or he's doing it the flashy way, when even the what is Colorado state coach?

No one knows. Nobody cares.

The blue collar guy, it's like the.

Guy who doesn't wear sunglasses.

Yeah. Everybody's playing the same game. They're just playing it differently. And Dion is playing it very well because everybody's talking about him, which I think is the goal.

But this is the part that I don't think that Mike's being fair to me on because I didn't crown them. They were one of the worst power teams. Power five teams. What are you making faces about? I mean, I was celebrating the fact that they were going to be and are better than they were last year. And the over under on them was three and a half games, one this season, and they topped that very early kind of crown. You crowned him, especially when comparing him to the program that I boost for.

Which is the prism that I view.

All of this through, which is one of jealousy. But also, I mean, I think nationally right now, the reputation of Colorado is better than is, which is part of.

The problem too, because that's irrational. It's irrational. If you look at just the results.

You calling someone else irrational is no, it is.

And I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth too, because I get caught up in it too, because I was very much enjoying Stanford's victory. And it's not even so much over Coach Prime, but it's all the people that have viewed this through the prism.

That they viewed it initially when he interesting, the prism.

This guy's the greatest thing ever.

Content factory. That's all I'm rooting for, man, at this point in my life. I don't care who wins or loses, just who's producing the stuff I can talk about.

But ultimately he's going to be judged by who wins and loses. And the discourse around him is unlike anything we've ever seen. Because you know what I get hit with when I enjoy know just growing. I think, on a normal timetable, but through the eyes of some given where the expectations were, a misstep here or there is it reminds me a lot of the Cam Newton discussion when I came out with very valid criticisms that I was found out to be right several months after the fact, which is I get hit with racism.

You're a racist.

I get hit with racism accusations. Because this has certainly galvanized a black audience. If you see the numbers, if you see who's on the sidelines, this is very much a black empowerment story. Everyone is rooting for Deion Sanders and many white people, too. To get this right, to shift the paradigm, to have people finally skip a line that wasn't afforded to them, I understand all that, but to line up an opposition of that and say, let's hold our horses and get hit with the other extremes on it isn't necessarily fair either. I think the entire Dion discourse, while being fascinating, is also totally out of hand.

You're saying, though, wins and losses is how he's going to be measured, and I disagree. To me, how he's going to be measured is, did he make money for the program? Did he do right by the program by making it matter?

Again, all the programs make jimbo Fisher has made a lot of money for Texas A and M football.

Mike.

They're going to the big twelve. They're going to make money. I understand what you're saying.

Did he win at the business? He's won at the business already. He's paid for himself. That's winning.

If they have two consecutive three win seasons following this, he's not going.

Their stadiums are full. Their stadiums are full.

Stadiums aren't going to be full once the novelty wears off and he keeps throwing up bad seasons. What I'm saying is, ultimately, in that industry, coaches are judged by wins and losses.

And this one is doing it differently at a program that has done nothing but lost for 30 years and is now making an enormous amount of money.

But they're also still losing.

They are low in their division. They are low in their conference. What did you say? What place are they in in their conference?

I mean, they're second to last right now in the Pac Twelve conference. It's a meme that makes me laugh every time, which is like the standings. And then the dude in third is just throwing champagne all over his face. But it's like the Pac Twelve, and there's like, 14 teams on there. And on the second, Aladd stool is the Colorado person on the medal stand, spraying themselves with champagne.

Biting the medal. Yeah.