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Got Lucy here, we've got Mike, and there is a scent in here of excellence that has just entered the room.

Thank you.

He's it's not you would agree that Jay Glazer smells nice. I just embraced him. I was happy to see him, and I would have expected him to smell like morning workout, but instead, he smells like just fresh and invigorated with a cologne that seems cologne?

No cologne. No. Listen, I know I'm from the Jersey Shore, but don't do that to me. No cologne.

Sorry.

Don't do that.

It smells so.

I just think it's my pheromones. That's it. I think it's my natural pheromones.

You're lying.

I'm not lying. I don't wear cologne, and people say this to me all the time. I don't wear cologne. It's just like a little moisturizer stuff. Maybe a little lavender. I don't know, but I just think it's my natural jake smell can't be true.

This room hasn't smelled this good.

It's just a lotion. But it's just normal lotion. The way it reacts with my manliness just gives off this beautiful scent. Thank you. Define normal lotion. What is normal lotion? Well, I don't know the name of the brand. I don't want to give it, but is it like no, it's just a little skin. It's not scented at all? No, it's not. I can smell you from I don't guess, but I think the way it reacts to me he smells so clean. Yeah. I'm just a beautiful human being. So clean.

And that musk is not like you imagine.

It's not a musk as we do this.

Yeah.

Now it's coming out. But no, it's just a moisturizer. That's all it is. And not even sunscreen. Just moisturizer. You need to start wearing do. I do. Trust me. Yeah, that I know. Especially where I live. I mean, I'm here in La. And I'm bald. That's not the smartest thing I've ever done.

We caught you during a busy time. Thank you for making the time for us, your life.

Thanks for coming all the way out here just for that's. That's more beautiful than my lotion.

We are happy to see you. We're always happy to see you. We talk a lot about your book unbreakable in the podcast, and we will, over the course of this hour, talk about the stuff that means the most to you. But one of the things I did want to talk to you about before we get to football stuff is the story in The New Yorker on shams, and it showed how obsessive compulsive the information guy has to be. And you and I have talked about where and how the job has made you unhappy, and I think that what you do for a living is a fundamental insanity.

Absolutely.

I think it's a totally crazy job. Ariel Hawani, who knows how to work, who works hard says he doesn't want any part of what your day to day existence is because it's a mental health, landmine after landmine, because you have to be chasing everybody all day.

Well, and it's also chase. Remember I was the first one to do it minute by minute. It was me, Len Pascarelli, John Clayton.

I'm sorry to laugh at the very mention of Len Pascarelli.

Just a happier job I was@cbsportsline.com. And they were@espn.com and Morton was doing a little bit, but this was 99 when that Internet thing first came out, which I think is going to take off. And back then it was like, okay, man, I've got to have everything. I've got to have everything. And it ruined every relationship you've ever had. Because there was a time I was in a restaurant in New York with a previous relationship, and when those little before they were bluetooth, remember, you used to be like an earpiece, and it came down around you went to dinner. So I was on a date, and I had to take a scoop call, and I put that in my ear and I leaned in. It was a really good restaurant, and I had to lean in like we were talking sweet nothings to each other, and I was talking to some head coach about some scoop or whatever.

Do you remember the scoop?

I don't remember.

That be great if it was like.

Something no, I remember, though. No, I remember in the middle of a dinner with Strahan and somebody else, one at, like a real big dinner in the middle. I said, oh, I got to go. I said, what's up? I said, Man, I just got word that Joe Gibbs can be the new head coach of Washington. And they're like and Michael literally gets up. He says, hey, I know you're doing this new thing. What are you doing? And I'm like, no, no, I'm telling you, this is not like, this is crazy. And I'm like, straight, this is what it's like now. I got to go. And I said, I'm telling you, this is real. This is happening. And Joe Gibbs was in racing and part owner of the Atlanta Falcons, and he was just like, again, we didn't understand the kind of rules of this game. And I kind of, like, got up, kind of banged the table, and everybody else around the table is just like, why is he leaving dinner right now? What is he doing? Because, again, back then, it was like you waited for the back page of a newspaper. So it becomes your social life, becomes your everything.

But where it changed and the part of this job is and why now? I've tried to change the way what my role is, my job is, because it used to be and you guys knew I used to pick a fight with ESPN about this all the time. It became who could just tweet the fastest? And even if you have something, once you have it, somebody just takes it. Know, last Sunday on the OT, I broke that Justin Fields dislocated his thumb when they just said, oh, he actually has negative, and I come out with that. And within two minutes, people, just by the way, I sat on this for 2 hours, because our OT doesn't come on until my segment doesn't come on till 458 Pacific. So I sat on it for 2 hours so people couldn't have suddenly just had it two minutes after I it's a crazy right? Everybody just steals it.

It's a crazy way to live, though, at your age, given your life perspective, given where you've gotten in the world and success. These are not the things you should be worrying about.

I am not. It gets pointed out actually, it gets pointed out by the funny thing is me and Schefter kind of have a little text chain about when people do that. You'd think that we hate each other. We kind of back in the day, it was, know, me versus Mort and me versus him, and me versus a bunch of people at ESPN and then NFL Network and all that stuff. So I kind of realized a long time ago, we all kind of need each other. And I like picking a fight because I like to fight. So I like picking the fight with ESPN when they would steal my and point it out and say, hey, ESPN, my last name is not spelt sources and do stuff like that. But yeah, I think the business has just become yeah, you talked about the mental health aspect of it and part of this was my fault for making it a thing of me versus them and who has what right first and all this stuff. People started tweeting to me and Adam and Mort like, oh, you got beat by this by 14 seconds, but you suck.

It was unbelievable. And the crazy thing about me is, as crass as I am, man, my feelings get hurt easy. So when I start seeing this on Twitter, which I don't follow anymore, or X or whatever it's called, and you just have all this hate from, you know, I would tell people, like, when you grew up in Jersey Shore, you get your ass kicked in the playground or get bullied wherever that sucks for a month. Now we're seeing it a thousand times a minute on X or Twitter. Yeah, I don't have the mental health capacity to deal with stuff like that.

And your reaction is to always want to fight all of them. Correct. It's a trigger for you, your first thing.

And I've had to do a lot of work to not do that like it used to be, man, it was fun. I went out with my fiance the other night, Rosie and her sister Renee. They're identical twins, the tennyson twins, and we ran into these old bouncers when I used to go run around like me and Chuck Liddell and Michael Bisping and Chael Sunning and we were know and these guys, these bouncers are like from my friends spots over here. Like the nice would be scared and.

They'Re a group of people and they.

Were like, oh man, Jay, how you doing? And Rosie's looking like and they're like, you don't understand how he used to be. Like, I was terrible back in the day. I've had to do a lot of work to keep that beast in the box and not react that way.

As someone that consumes all this media, it seems as though and you're articulating it now that you made the conscious decision to be like, no, I'm not playing your game. And you break news in a unique way. And that you just also mentioned that you sat on a story for 2 hours. It's appointment television something for two weeks.

This past Sunday and then Saturday night had to pull it because I didn't have my third confirmation. Even stuff like that. Things like crazy way to live. I need three confirmations because I want to make sure my stuff is right.

When the iPhone became what it is and it's all consuming. And part of that profile on Sean's is he can't ever disconnect. You saw that and you just opted out essentially of that game. I'm not going to have this great.

Thing was Fox actually came to me years ago. They're like, you're going to die if you keep doing this. Wow. Because it's just me versus everybody again. Like ESPN has a team, NFL Network has a team. Fox, it's me. And that's also my choice. I like to be a lone wolf in this. And they're like, hey, your personality on this show, right? This is what you are. And they allowed me to kind of grow in that way too, not just be that insider. I could have stated that minute by minute breaking news guy if I wanted to, but I like the personality end of it also. And because yeah, as time went on and I saw more and more of it was just everybody just stealing each other's stuff and taking credit or the hate you got on social media, I was like, it is not for me. It's not the life I want to live. And it's ruining every relationship. And the bigger thing was I noticed every time I was at something for my son and I adopted my son, right, we made this choice to love each other. Every time I was at something with him, I'm on the phone, I'm looking at this, looking at this.

And I was at a soccer game his one time and I had to fill in it as a ref. As a ref. I'm on the phone, it's a Saturday and I'm looking at him stewing stuff and he's like, dad, can you not be on the phone? The funny part was mike Pereira happened to be there. I was like, hey, Mike, can you jump in here? You're the ref. Can you jump in so I could do my work? But it's my little kid right there, so that really affected me over time to see how much I was missing stuff with him.

If I may, I send People now over to the podcast where he's doing important mental health work, unbreakable the book as well. And I want to talk to you a little more about what this is as an insanity because I admire you and I'm happy for you and I'm proud of you because you have figured out the ways to take care of yourself when this particular competitive game if people don't know. Jay wanted to be a stand up comic. He was hustling at the beginning, fighting his way through the tabloids of New York, breaking stories, sleeping on couches, because he hustled his way to the top of this.

Nine grand a year, man, for eleven years, people the books called unbreakable. But I was broke, so I know what's like to go from broke to unbreakable.

Lucy's horrified by that salary, nine grand.

A year, $9,450 a year in New York, living in New York and with also my mindset was, hey, I am going to go outwork. Every reporter, not by a little or by a lot, I will be the last dude standing in here. And that's how Strahan got so close. He felt bad for me. He drove me back into New York City every single day for seven years. So I own, like, 28 grand in Lincoln Tunnel fair. But literally, I would sit outside like I didn't have enough money to go from take a subway to a bus to Giant Stadium back every day. And I just had to outwork the world. And it took so long because I wasn't part of that group of reporters, so I wasn't able to get to move ahead in advance. But I was trying to get jobs everywhere. It took me eleven years to get my first full time job in this business, but look what I've done with it, thank God. And look at the forum we have with it.

People don't understand how relentless, how hard it was for him. I want to talk to him a little bit more about that so that people because I am fascinated by the world of insider. So let's pick that up.

And there was no insider job then. That's why don lebotard I got somebody.

Here making fun of me. How old do you have to be to reference Sheki Green? Man, I went comedically there with the funny name of a comedian. That's on you for not knowing who.

Shecky you got to know who Shecky Green.

No, you don't have to know who Shecky Green is.

But I'm your ally.

No. Yeah, I don't like my ally.

Think of the borsche belt stugats. I have the soul of a Borsche belt comedian. I should be in the Catskills in 1945, opening for Shaky Green. That's who I was destined to be. This is the Don Levitar show with the stugats.

There are an assortment of football things I want to get to with the lovely smelling Jay Glazer.

You guys are stronger.

It is getting stronger. I'm getting a little lightheaded.

And it's like, release an even stronger man.

People talk about the gym. They talk about a fox. And honestly, it's just this lotion I use.

I don't believe.

I think it's called a Harper or something like that. I should actually drop it here so I get a damn deal with them, right?

You are somebody who is ridiculously tough.

Sound that out.

You have been proving your masculinity to people through actual violence and fighting in cages, and you're just uncommonly tough. I think people might be surprised, given.

The mask you wore, that I don't stick.

That you're sensitive.

Both, actually, but that your teeth are so nice.

That you're sensitive.

No, my feelings get hurt easily, really easily. But that's part of the depression. You beat up on yourself so much when you have mental health issues, a lot of times you don't know how to like yourself or love yourself from the inside out. So when you see hate from the outside in, it affects you a lot more. But that's why you put this mask on, because you could laugh and joke. But no, I tell my friends too, straight out when something with me or something hurt me or something. Yeah, the funny part is with the fighters and stuff, when we're all training, we don't do with each other. We're all sensitive, we're all up, but we're good with our this we know. And yeah, we'd be like, in a cage. And after, there's me and Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell, like, crying at each other, and people kind of walk past the cage like, oh, man, these guys really beat the hell at each other. Now we're just talking about our feelings. We're more sensitive, I think, but, yeah, feelings get hurt. I don't it doesn't make me less of a and here's the thing.

Clearly, no one's questioning my manhood. So I can't cry. I can't talk about my feelings. I can't open up. The thing that messed us up for so long is that we didn't talk about it. And then, quite frankly look, I've trained hundreds and hundreds of NFL players and fighters over the years, and part of the issue is me telling these guys, don't show it. You're hurt. You don't show it. You don't put your hands on your hips. We don't take a stool in between rounds. Don't ever, ever show anybody hurt or tired them. Let's impose our will on them. And now I'm asking people to do the complete opposite in life. So as men, we're ingrained to not show it and not do anything about. And that's when you start caving them from the inside out. And now how do you separate now? Okay, do this in sports and business and fighting and football, but in real life, do the complete opposite and really start opening up. I will tell you this. When I kind of had no choice and I had to start opening up about it, man, it's got me so much closer with everybody in my life.

And in my life, there's other ancillary people who I think kind of pulled away, said, oh, man, I don't think we're ready to talk about that. And that's fine. That's on them. But it's got me a lot closer with this crew, with certain crews. It's gotten me a lot closer with.

And I value that they freaked you out. Like they were freaked out by what's wrong.

I think people just over time, like, we don't want to talk mental health, we want to talk football. And maybe pull away is away, but maybe not. And that's the other thing, too. When you have this stuff you make up in your head, the roommates in your head start having their own conversations with each other that maybe this person is upset with you or that person doesn't want to talk to you. This person wants nothing to do with you. And 90% of the time, it's probably them going through their own stuff, but it's really loud in your own head when you go through this stuff.

But what did you figure out, Jay? Where did you figure out, I can't play this game exactly the way that others are playing it anymore? When people are worried that you're going to die because it's not sustainable to be obsessive compulsive 20 hours a day, never being able to disconnect from your phone.

Yeah, I think when I opened up about it one time to a room full of veterans and athletes, the charity that I founded in an MVP, and I was like, wow, man, look how much it's helping and being of service to this group. And the more I talked about it, the more I realized it was of service to people and it helped them. That sounds like this is my route. This is bigger than football. This is bigger than anything they're talking about if we could save a life. But, man, us talking to each other has been a lot more than one. And that for me, it wasn't so much for me. It was more like, I know I could be of service to everybody else by talking about it. It was more of a decision for everybody else, not so much for me to help myself. And the crazy stuff is I want to be of service and talk about it. But a lot of times, too, when you talk about it, that becomes your identity and gets stuck. I had a conversation with I'll name drop here for you, but the guy wrote my Ford the Rock and he was like, hey, hold on a second.

I got to find something. Keep continue with the story.

But I got it.

No, yeah, well, he said, the look.

At me, Louie yeah, the look at.

Me, Louie is what I'm going to do.

Bam.

It doesn't quite work.

Yeah, it's not potted up.

It's all right.

That's okay.

No one was expecting that.

He was like, hey, do you think your brand is gray? After the book came out, I said, yeah, I want to show it to he's like, no, your brand needs to be in the blue. Like, you got to show all of us that there is a way out. That's why you started this, that you went from the gray to the blue. And I was really dark, and when I wrote Unbreakable, I stopped all my treatments, all therapy. I do IVs. I do a lot of things. I do a lot of supplements. I just stopped all of it so I could be as raw and authentic as possible. And that wasn't good for me, and that took me a long time to pull myself out of. But I got myself out, and I got myself in the happiest place I've ever been now by being of service to people and being able to work on myself. But he's like, I need you to realize that, because I think the more I was talking about the depression, anxiety, the more I was just living in this world of depression, anxiety, and even that I had to make a conscious decision to say, okay, that can't be my life and identity.

So now I'm trying to even more so go talk about mental health so it could lead to mental wealth. Like, we've got to not just I wanted to give it words so we could start having this conversation more and start talking about when we are hurting inside. But now I want to start giving people these unbreakable habits like game plans out of it so we could live in the blue more because we deserve it. But it's a harder world to live in the blue than ever before. It's a darker, grayer world than we've ever dealt with.

Seguing awkwardly to the sport that you cover, that we care about, which has saved me, too. The people who play it are a little bit insane when, you've know, Joey Bosa running around out there with a broken toe, can you please explain to anybody who doesn't understand the physical toll that half a season takes on everyone who's out there? We're watching last night, we're watching a couple of nights ago, the Dolphins play against the Eagles, and the Dolphins are a bit broken already.

Halfway through the season, I saw Waddle look, I've had ruptured seven disks in my back, and I saw Waddle go down, right? And they took him back right back, and I was like, oh, man, that sucks. And I know exactly I couldn't believe he got back out there. I was like, man, whatever they gave him, send me that.

And he doesn't have one of these big frames he's on, right?

I was like, that's a gangster move right there. And I've dealt with I had my first rupture at L four, L five at Henzo Gracie Academy in New York in 2001, I think, or two, something along those lines. So I've been in pain since then, so I understood it. But, yeah, listen, I tell all these to get to the level of the NFL, and I tell a lot of retired players this like, you playing the NFL is not who you are. What's behind your ribcage that got you to beat out millions and millions and millions to get to that level and to play with those kind of injuries. That's who you are. And it suddenly doesn't just leave when the uniform comes off, man. You're different. So guys like that, to be able to go through that pain threshold, to have to go through the mental part of it also, it's just a different level of I like to say everybody in leagues up, and I think anybody to get to a certain level of any. In order to be great, you got to have some crazy well to play that sport.

It seems like you have.

But I think anything I think the top business leaders, top leaders in anything, you got to have some crazy in you. We used to run away from the crazy. Now I'm trying to get us to embrace it.

But the idea that these football players, that any of them can be sane, choosing something with those kinds of consequences when getting out of bed, like you admire, you've always found the nobility in these things. You think it's an honor. I've heard you say it's an honor to be able to play hurt.

It's your honor to fight hurt. I wrote about in there, instead of I tell guys this all the time if they had some sort injury, I said, man, think of how great this will feel if you could drop 100 yards on somebody at 50%. And we have a bunch of examples in this book from the Tony Gonzalez's, Rendez Barbers, Randy Coutures. When they're in stray hands, when they're 50% or they're hurt, and they're like, yeah, I'm still going to play. I'm not going to sit out. I think there is a nobility in that, but like I said, that's nobility for sports, not for the real world. We got to learn how to separate it. But that's what separates people, man. When you sit out there and you look at a guy who doesn't miss time for years and years and years, that's different. They are different, and it's to be admired.

Who do you regard as the toughest? You've seen Randy Couture?

Randy Couture had a heart attack in my gym and walked to, you know, we don't make her a heart attack. Gronk was in the gym and Gronk's like, man, if I get what that dude has behind my rib cage, I'll be unbreakable. I said, hold that thought. But he was going to fight this perfect example. He's going to fight Brock lesnar and Brock's 300 something pounds, whatever, cutting out of 265. Randy's 45 or 46 and injured his elbow going into that fight. People don't know this. So he was like 217, couldn't lift, couldn't do anything like that. And Randy is a heavyweight champ of the world. He's 45 years of age, couldn't lift.

While he was prepping for a fight against one of the strongest humans.

Yes, strongest guy he's ever fought. So I say, bro, why don't we think about pulling out of this one.

So you could train UFC.

He had his elbow up. He popped the bursa sack in his elbow, pulled it out and he jumped my shit. He's like, pull out. Pull you. If I could beat that dude at 50%, think about what does it do for me? Even if I could slam him, I'm good with that. I was like, whoa, okay, my bad, my bad, my bad. But he had a staph infection. Going to fight against a dude one time, couldn't train at all. But back then, that's when you didn't really get paid. And he had an IV pick in for like weeks and weeks and weeks, pulled it out, went and fought this dude. Wore him the out with that body language we talk about. Never showed he was tired. Never showed he was tired. He was a torrential downpour of violence without a full camp because he had not zero for this. Nothing. What? He said what? And I hadn't tell all our heavyweight and I had him tell all these athletes, all our football players this said I go over to stools the first time I was going to really plop down on my stool. I turn around, I see this cat plop down.

And I just stood there, kind of wave, smiled, laughed, and I broke him. And that fight was over in about 40 seconds in the next round. And this dude and Rashad Evans since told me because his teammates the guy is like, you him up by telling this story. I told Lex Fort Illustrated. He thought all these years that randy was not only not sick, but that he was juicing. It was the other way around. And it's just what you can do.

So that's where defies human logic.

But it's how does a heart attack.

Power craziest story that you shared in like a 1 minute?

And I said to him, hey, Freddie, please don't die, because then we're going to have to change the name of the gym to breakable. It's just not a good brand.

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Wow. I think Billy typed an eight instead of a b five.

It's a clearest day.

Stugats. Number eight, it's Chris Corner on the line. This is the Don Levitar show with the stugats.

Pretty wild story about Randy Couture. And Dan, is your grief eating satiated? Because there's been a lot of yes.

Let'S bang through some football. I'm sorry I hijacked him.

All right, so over the last week, there were all sorts of stories out there that, hey, Bill Belichick isn't super safe in New England. And they would absolutely, if this season continues to slide, consider letting Bill Belichick go and then he has a monster win in Buffalo. How real is all of that? Is there a future? There is a future in New England, even if they continue to slide, that doesn't have Bill Belichick in it next season.

I could see that. Yeah, this is certainly look, Philadelphia did it with Andy Reid. They're like that's. Time to move, Andy. Obviously, guy can still coach. Sometimes you just need a change of scenery.

It worked out for both because they.

Worked out Super Bowl. Sometimes you just need a change of scenery. I could see that with Bill also. I don't think that Mr. Craft will just sit there and say, I'm going to just give him carte blanche forever if we continue to unravel. I think that a lot of their personnel decisions weren't very good and they haven't built. So at one point you have to say, okay, we're just going to keep going with it. Here's the other thing. They have now given themselves such a level of excellence to live up to. They're not really a real rebuilding mode kind of team.

Wasn't it just reported, though, that he signed a long term extension this last offseason?

Yeah, but it doesn't mean you still get rid of somebody. You could be a buyer. They could still just say, okay, we'll pay. It could also be like, hey, that's how we're going to reward him. He might also said, I want this stability right now.

He wouldn't be out of work very long, would he?

So it's interesting. I don't know the answer to that. I think the coaching I was just talking to another head coach about this yesterday. I think the coaching landscape has changed. And what I mean by that is, look, you would have thought Sean Payton had 30 suitors years ago, right? And now I think that the coaching lens. You're kind of looking at people wanting to bring in people where you're going to enjoy going to work every day. There's places that I think even the owner is like, hey, I just want to go in and just I don't want it to be like this, like the old school kind of way of coaching. I don't know how much it resonates even with today's athlete. You just can't beat on guys, is what I'm saying.

Wow. But you're not even talking about, like, the scheming youngsters who are coming into the game, and you can have them cheaper than Sean Payton discipline guy. You're talking about people who connect better with just workplace, young people who want to enjoy playing.

So this is why, look, Mike McDaniel and Dan Campbell and Tamika Ryan's, what he's doing down a lot. And the Sean McVeighs, it changes a lot. I think nowadays, more than ever, players, A, you can't beat them down because we just talked about the mental health part. They're seeing so much hate all the time. They don't want to go to work and get beat on, hated on all the time. So you got to talk to people differently. I've noticed with our athletes that they're told actually Couture said to me, don't tell them anymore what you don't want. Only tell them what you want. A lot of guys don't resonate with anymore what you don't want. You can't just be telling guys like, holy, how the can you not understand? Yeah, you used to do it. Now it's, hey, hey, I just want you to do this. Don't drop your hand. Just keep your hands up.

Does it come naturally to you to.

Be more no, I get so frustrated, man, and so no. And it doesn't come naturally to me, but I think know and I said this to Dan Campbell, I says, Why guys love you. Because they're seeing so much hate, but they're also seeing so much that's not authentic out there. So they're looking for authenticity, but they're also looking for connections now more than I think they ever have. So I just think things are just changing. I think that old world school of coaching isn't going to work so much or be looked at to brought in so much anymore as it was in the past. Because years ago we would have said 31 other teams be lining up for Bill Belichick whatever they have to, or a Sean Payton or Bill Parcels back in the day or something like that.

Right. I just wouldn't get lined up the door for Bill Belichick, who's arguably the greatest coach ever.

I don't think there would. Don't yeah, I don't think there would be, which is crazy to say, but I just think that cultures have changed.

The Broncos have a good old fashioned headhunter in their secondary. Kareem Jackson has been fined five different games, has been ejected from two games. He's 14 years in the league, Jay, and this guy is rebelling against people who are saying it's flag football. He is coming $100,000 in fines. They're going to eventually suspend him.

Right.

Because he's just headhunting.

Yeah, they're going to have to, obviously, but yeah, that's when as a coach, too. Look, it's hard. Some certain guys say, okay, I want to get coach and I'm going to change the way I do it. But also, you got to understand, a lot of these guys go out there and they just click over. You got to find that other guy, whether you're walking down to taking three steps in a cage or you're walking on a baseball domino, you're working on a hockey rink or basketball court or down that tunnel, you got to find that other guy. And sometimes finding that other guy, it's still that other guy. Like, you can't change it. You don't have the ability to change it.

You're talking about men generally, but it's.

Just no, some guys are able to, okay, I can't do this anymore. I've got to change the way I do things. I have to lower my levels more. I have to do this, I have to do that. You've got to change certain things. And some guys are able to do it. Some guys aren't able to do it.

I'm curious as to why in watching football recently, they brought in a new offensive coordinator. Their head coach was considered on the hot seat entering this year. There's a lot in terms of the working parts there that would suggest, especially with a good hot shot quarterback in the Chargers, that they were a team that would be on the rise. But it seems as though they, as a franchise and the quarterback most importantly, are starting to backslide a little bit. What is going on in Los Angeles, and is this a place where you have a newer school head coach? We're an older school mentality because Bill Belichick, a lot of people have been saying if he becomes available, that would be a landing spot.

Is it the culture? I don't know about that one.

Is it the culture with the Chargers? What is the issue with the Los Angeles Chargers?

That's a good question because I'm trying to figure that one out also because I was out on the Chargers, really hot, and especially Herbert also. But you just have to look and say, okay, there's a new offensive coordinator working with the quarterback. Why is it not gelling? You got to look at that. That's who's coaching him. So I've kind of been confused about that one also because, listen, Keenan Allen's, probably the most underrated receiver in this league, man. Austin eckler phenomenal. I also thought it was going to be a lot more growth. And Justin Herbert is that is who you is. What you see is what you get.

And more so it's obvious that anyone seeing him drop back to pass as a statue, you're like, that's what a quarterback ought to look like. It should win more than that. So you're going to blame everyone else other than him. Jamal Adams I want to understand what's happening here. Multiple times this season he is now jostled or wrestled concussion doctors and yelled profanities at them.

Did I miss one?

Is this the second time that this has happened?

I didn't know about the Sunday. Did it happen Sunday?

Yes.

No, I think he just got fined for the first one. Okay.

I thought it had happened multiple times.

Well, he only played in the one. He played in one game and happened there. But even that yeah, when you get concussed, a lot of times you don't know what the hell you're doing. You know what you're saying? It's like, hey, man, I was cornering a guy one time named Frank Trigg in a fight in Vegas for Pride. He got dinged. He's fighting a guy named Masaki. Went back to the locker room, and we were there for about ten or 15 minutes. We were chairing a locker room with Nick Diaz, and we were there for, like, 15 minutes. All of a sudden, Frank goes, what happened? I said, what do you mean? He's like, what happened? Did we win? Yeah, you win. He said how? It's a decision. He's like, okay, good. Had no idea we saw that recently with Johnny Walker. Yeah. No, but he had fought the rest of the fight, done the interview, gone back to the locker room, then snapped out of it and was like, oh, what happened? Had no idea what had happened, that he won the fight. So a lot of listen, for a guy like Jamal Adams, that Giant game, he was dinged.

Yeah. I don't know if he knew what he was doing or not. I know it was very passionate, but I could see a guy when you're not of right mind doing or saying something you don't the league accepted his explanation, but then they find him $50,000, which I understand, because I don't think I agree with that, because, okay, he's concussed. You kind of not of right mind there, but I understand also. They're like, hey, we have to set a precedent to make sure that these other neurologists aren't threatened with bodily harm. So that part, I guess, because it.

Only makes a difficult job more difficult. And considering what was in the newsstream last year with Tua, where you have these spotters all of a sudden under scrutiny now, the threat of physical violence from Jamal Adams makes it a little bit more difficult to be an impartial neurologist.

It would be some pressure that you don't want in your life. I don't think, though, Jay, that people generally understand the amount of pressure all of these human beings are under, because it's not just the physical toll of what it is that you're talking about halfway through a season when you're giving your body, a disposable body to a cause and you're limping around trying to get to five and two or four and three. I don't think people understand the suffering that is our entertainment on Sunday.

But it's the physical suffering, and I go back to the mental suffering, too, where these guys are going right to their locker. They're pulling out their phone. They're seeing what stuff is said about them. It's affecting the way they're doing things also, and it's messing with them more than they ever had. Back in there. It was just like, hey, we got our team here. You didn't really see it if they decided not to read the newspaper, they didn't read in your own cocoon. You don't have that cocoon anymore. They're all emotional. They're all emotional.

What do you make of that at the quarterback position because Lamar Jackson got involved on social media more than ever. I know you made some news last year when you were saying how much honor there is in playing hurt, and you made a little bit of news in what seemed like a criticism where he wasn't playing throughout injury because he had this big contract waiting for him. What do you make of that personality type, engaging in social media at that position?

Yeah. No, I always tell guys, like, get off this thing. Stop it, or hire somebody else to do like, just don't do it because it messes with your head. But you know what? Some guys, I guess, feed into it. Lamar feeds into it, and it fuels them. And look, there are certain guys that have the Jordan thing, like Mahomes, he looks for things to be pissed off about with that other team. He searches things that may not be there. And Lamar Jackson obviously has some of that in him also. Right. And he starts engaging with I look, I used to like to fight back and forth with people also, and then it just became ridiculous, so it became too much.

It's super interesting what you're saying, though, Jay. The idea that these organizations that have traditionally been run by tyrants, discipline mongers, military types, that they have to get softer in order to reach young no.

Let'S not say softer. There's nothing soft about a Dan Campbell or Nick Sirianni or not at all.

Apologize.

Or a Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin loves these cats. Up. Not softer. At.

Something for your book? Unbreakable.

Yeah, I think so.

It's right here. Wow. Ring endorsement, but not softer.

What did he write?

Is he a master of some jake Laser is much more than an NFL insider you see on television every Sunday. He's a confidant. You have such great relationships, jay, what did he say?

You just asked him. As if you don't know.

No, I haven't read this.

You haven't read this?

No. I mean, like, when it came out.

He calls your story one of inspiration and perseverance. Also, how the is he winning all these football games?

It's incredible. It's absolutely incredible. It's so funny, too. I told somebody else the other day, like, hey, man, don't ever trade with Mike T because his players look like choir boys, and then they leave and you find out what the like, just who they really are. So never do business with them, but.

I don't think they're a good team. I don't understand it, but they're winning.

All these went, and I saw them at the hotel. We came to La this week, and we actually watched a fight together. The USC fight.

Tremendous name drops.

So I've known him since he was a DB coach.

He doesn't blink.

He's the same dude doesn't blink. Since he was a DB coach, he's never changed. And we talked about the authenticity. You know who you're getting. But he loves these cats up, and that's what they need softer, soft.

Mike, do not ever say that about him again. Also, he's a wizard of some sort.

There's just no reason. Sorcery he is losing season, and every time somebody leaves there, you find out what kind of wards there are. He should get an Emmy. A Nobel Peace Prize. An Academy Award? Ridiculous. He's the greatest idiot. But he's also, again, like, I lean into people now. When I first started opening up to people about my issues, he was one of the first people I opened up to who understood and got it.

And he seems like one of the toughest head coaches.

Gentle, warm.

He and I would both say, you're a soft.

Is not pejorative.

Not pejorative, but he is one of like, I got your back.

Like, I got you, I'm sure, is chronicled and unbreakable.

Thank you, Jay.