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A glory hole. A foot glory hole.

That's not a glory hole for footsies.

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I'm embarrassed to report that it took me to, like, two years ago. I feel like, to realize this.

Mm hmm.

Michelin, that's the same people with the rest. The entire people are the restaurant review people.

It is the same thing, and they are very, very proud of that.

Imagine what the equivalent would be like. The tire company also is, like, the haughtiest, like, highfalutinist, like, fine dining reviewer. What else is even like that?

Yamaha. Like, Yamaha is the company that I think comes closest because Yamaha's name is on the dirtiest dirt bike that you've ever seen being driven by some. By some hill Jack into a tree. Right. And it's also on the finest concert piano you've ever seen being played.

I didn't only know, did I find out that that's the same f Yamaha. Katie, I've been learning about how the same company that makes Yamaha pianos makes Yamaha motorcycles.

I assumed.

I didn't. I didn't.

You thought there were two different Yamahas, not even divisions of the same company.

You thought unlike everybody else, I presume that all don't look same.

Okay.

But it turns out that they are.

To go along with this Yamaha. Yamaha. Conversation you were having tires and star. Same Michelin or different.

That's how we got into it. Same. Same thing.

Yeah, naturally. Related. If you think about. I sell tires, we go places on those tires. When I go to those places. Might want to bite to eat.

Yeah, that's a.

Might want to know that it's good.

Yeah.

Might want to just sell them together, I guess.

Naturally.

It feels like a very stone pitch that a Michelin executive gave once.

Yeah, I of, like, now, where does this restaurant thing fit into our overall plan? He's like, hear me out. Tyra's gotta take you somewhere.

Speaking of trying to get places.

Great.

Spencer and I were in France last week, Katie.

I was in London.

What?

Yeah. Did you guys get adjusted?

Were we all in Europe?

Yeah, everybody was in France. Everybody. I mean, I feel like that. How do you say it right again, con. I thought it was Cannes is the right way.

Yeah, you would, con.

Nobody. I feel like last year, nobody in sports did it. This year, everybody in sports did it.

I was on a plane with some people that I did not talk to, but included, like Joe Burrow.

Yeah.

He was on that plane.

Cool.

He's there for fashion week, right? Like, he was prepping for fashion week.

I was not at that part of France, right? I was at sports beach. I was. Yeah, exactly. I was at where, like, Elon Musk was at, to give you a sense of the France that I was looking at.

See, I have a thought. I have a thought here. It's pronounced con. And you can remember this because it is a con. The entire thing. Like, enough people, when you go, it's an advertising junket. I'm like, 80% to 90% of the money spent at con just evaporates.

How long was the panel you had to do in order to justify this?

It was expensive. 30 minutes. Oh, tough work with Alex Honnold, who was awesome.

Oh, the guy who climbed free solo guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Very good.

He makes my palms sweat.

Legitimately fascinating guy. Loved talking to him. Was the most out of place person. Guy who famously was in a documentary about how he's in a van and climbs mountains without any robes or harnesses, was in the same place as Elon Musk.

Elon, you keep saying that he was there. He was actually there.

He rolled through this place, sport beach. And I knew that because people start because I believe Carmelo Anthony, while holding a glass of wine, said, yo, what up, Elon from the stage.

And there is Elon Musk as he.

Is making his way.

Hello, Elon.

Elon, what's up, baby? What's going on?

As Elon was rushing out to find his car, which had been moved by the french police, and so he's holding his child like the masked.

The new one, the one he just.

Had all look same. Don't know which one it was.

Yeah, he doesn't know. He can't know.

Don't know what? Serial numbers.

They're named numbers as well. I don't know.

Yeah. All wi fi passwords.

Does he drive one of those?

I could. I honestly could not see the car over the palisade of humans who were just, like, fully photographing him.

Ew.

Yeah. Spencer was not doing that. The car related experience that Spencer hall had. I do want to get to Spencer. What the were you doing in France?

Great question. I was there for, at the behest of Michelin for a piece that I was going to do on channel six and did do, which you can read on my newsletter, which you should absolutely pay for, because 100% not AI. What can you say that about on the Internet? Nothing. This is flawed. There are typos and original thoughts for better or worse. All in my newsletter, done with my partner, Holly Anderson.

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So I was there for Le Mans. Le Mans is a 24 hours endurance race that they run since 1923. They used to kind of, like, not tell anybody. They would just say, hey, we're going to, like, we're going to race and we won't tell anybody on public roads, and we'll race from one town to the next. And if we hit children, dogs, or priests along the way, that's their fault. Did that happen in 1955? The worst automotive sports incident ever happened there when a car made of magnesium. And for anyone who took chemistry, just go ahead and do that math in your head. Hit a bump and it flew into the stands and killed over 50 people and decapitated a bunch of people and caught fire.

That'd be crazy if the people that decapitated weren't the people that they killed. It killed a bunch of people and then decapitated other people who lived oddly.

We recovered. It is fine. The gaelic spirit is strong.

Just to get a sense of, like, what the race's vibes are like. So that happens. And what then happens to that race?

They finished it and the winner drank champagne. Yeah. With casualties all over the place. Yeah. Motorsport used to be a lot more car centric, not human centric. They're going to run it for 24 hours. Even if somebody blows a hole in the fence, which they did, they tore a hole in the fence this time. A guy went through it and they're like, I just keep running. Just throw out a yellow.

Why is that so important to them to finish this race?

It's tradition. For one and two, it's a really big track. It's so big that if it rains on one end, it might not rain on the other. Right. So you have to be prepared for, like, different conditions because it's a over seven mile track, I think, is the total distance.

Sounded bigger when you said it.

So they won't. They won't red flag it. They'll just go, okay, well, take care of that over there. You do what you need to do and just go slow for a minute. And we're going to finish it up because we got to be done in 24 hours.

So just to set the scene here, the idea of this race happening, and there is actual and potential death everywhere, and it's insane. This also feels like it's connected to, like, the luxury automobile industry. So how does this all, like, square together? How does this all fit?

Well, tire companies love it because there's no data, like actual data from running a car as fast as you can for 24 hours. And by the way, they keep it that close. With 2 hours left in the race, there were eleven cars left on the lead, LAPD. Eleven. Like, it used to be that finishing it back in the day was a big deal when you had cars with, like, open tops, right? Like, that kind of looked jalopy ish. And just finishing it was the idea. Now the idea is to stay within 5 seconds of the guy in front of you for 24 hours, which is what they will do. You've had races that come down to the last lap. This race came down to a guy trying to see whether he was going to run out of gas. He finished with 1%.

It's my vibe.

But the engineers have the math, right. So, like, no, you're good. You're good. You're gonna skid to a halt and. But it'll be fine. We'll win. It's three drivers shifts of 2 hours each. And they just tear ass the whole time.

They swap. Right. So what are the other guys doing during the 4 hours? Are they napping?

They're trying to, but they suck at it because, you know, you're amped.

There's no chance. Cause it's not. 2 hours is like almost not enough time. You want the shifts to almost be like three or 4 hours, like a REM cycle.

Right. You are thinking like a performance coach, and that's awesome. They're thinking like race car drivers. So they're just sitting there going vroom, vroom in their head. Like they can't, you know, they have add, they can't sleep. They're up, right? Yeah, yeah. They're like, need wheel, need go easy. So most of the time, what they're doing is they're either snacking, they're getting some coffee, or they're doing what drivers do best, which is complaining about other drivers to the stewards. Right. Like, impeded me in turn eight. Right. By like three inches. And it turns out that, yeah, it's by three inches, but, like, quit being a snitch. They're all snitches on each other.

It's adorable how French is all of this? So there's, I assume, an international aspect to this. Right. They're from different countries, I imagine they're Italians and they're. Again, I like to. I want to indulge in the caricatures, truly, the stereotypes of Europeans that I went to France to enjoy the most. Paint the picture for us, Spencer, of like, where you are. As you're witnessing this sort of european union come together.

Every single french joint in the place has the best spread. They will take appointments, right? So it's like at one, at 01:00 p.m. you must be here or it will be impossible for you to eat. And you show up at 1255 and no one seats you until 115, right? They're like, you must be on time. We will be on time. They're not on time, but they do have the best food. The italian place. If you go to Ferrari's hospitality center, they really do have the church organ of Espresso machines. It's magnificent. It makes the best coffee you've ever had. And the French will complain that it's not enough, even though it is nothing but pure angry caffeine about a puddle's worth. And they'll complain about it is not enough. And the Italians are like, and in true deform, the Italians will drink that and then they will go have a smoke outside while cupping the cigarette with their hand over the cigarette and gesturing colorfully. That's very real. That happens. Ferrari, by the way, a little bit against character in that they were hyper organized, super on time, super punctual, and they're really good at World endurance Cup racing.

F one. The stereotype is that they're these dysfunctional geniuses who have, like, a magnificent history and the most beautiful car. And sometimes they have put a banana peel onto the tire when they should have put a tire and in world endurance racing on it, like they are the most together team. The British are ogres. They're absolute orcs when they're abroad, just in general. And that goes for their race fans, too, right? I was walking through a gate and the guy said, mate, we can't bring this beer in here. And he just throws us like two beers easily. Just like just handing beers out left and right. So the British, perfectly on form. I saw italian camping, which actually was, and I have a picture of this, a blue Lamborghini next to someone's tent. That's it. Just parked the lambo, got the tent out of the tiny little trunk in the lambo and pitched it next to the Lamborghini. So if you're wondering how french, how italian, how english, whether national stereotypes remain true, yeah, absolutely. In the best possible sense of the word.

The stereotype that I found myself confounded by in France because it didn't seem true was how rude everybody would be to tourists, to Americans. I found every french person I encountered, maybe because I was at an advertisement.

Tourist festival of tourists. Yeah. They knew that it was coming, but.

They were so nice.

Yeah, that's different. That's different than going out into the french countryside and trying to, on your own, interact with. You were on sport beach.

I'm sorry. Plage d'esport.

Oh, the plage d'espour. Other stereotypes, which I believe should be honored and validated. The to go baguette.

Oh, yeah, walking baguette.

Yeah, walking bag.

You gotta get the baguette as you go.

Had that baguette on.

Maybe eat it as you're walking. You know, the little. The little water bottle packet pocket on the backpack. I saw somebody totally wrap up half after eating it. Stuff it there.

Gorgeous.

It was perfect. I was like, that's not a water bottle. That's. That's actually your baguette. Your baguette pocket, huh.

Katie, your experience in London was like, what? Compared to what we're describing in France?

I had the worst time with the jetlag. This is the worst I've ever dealt with. Jet lag. Normally, I feel like I just. One day I'm like, oh, what time is it? And by the next day, I'm like, I had an. I've caught up a normal sleep cycle. I never got on the right time. And then last night is the first night that I barely got the right amount of sleep. I don't know what's going on with me, but I did not rebound well from the time change. This time, it sucked.

You know what I brought with me that really helped with my jet lag and sleep?

What?

My CPap machine.

Oh, my God.

I walked into the airport, and Liz, who went with me, my wife, was mystified. She knows who nobody is. So, like, Justin Jefferson walks by. He has no idea. She's like, why are there so many Louis Vuitton backpacks and, like, Gucci suitcases? And meanwhile, because it was an electronic device and I could not put in the checked baggage I was carrying in my lap, it appeared to be a very uncool laptop bag. My CPap machine.

Sick.

So you're trying to say you need a Louis bag for your CPAP machine?

I'm just saying there's a market for people who want to have oxygen blasted into their nose for.

So you got to France and then had to find distilled water?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I slept great.

Great. Oh, I'm so glad for you.

So you though your strategy was, I'm just gonna.

So here's what I screwed up. The 07:00 p.m. flight. Everybody went to go to sleep and it's only 5 hours or 6 hours over there. My plan was just like, stay up through that next day and then like, go to bed a little early that night because the next day my call time was at 05:00 a.m. oh, a call time which was already gonna screw me up. So it's like I could not figure out when to, but instead I just went right to sleep. And then I woke up too early. I woke up like 3 hours before my call time, which I was like, this doesn't make any sense.

How did your mysterious unnamed call time event go?

Awesome. It was so fun. It was so fun. And I'm now, I was gonna say best friends, but I halted myself. Dk metcalf and I are good friends.

What? What?

That's my, that's my dude. Yeah, that's my guy.

I was going to ask, does anything help you with jet lag? Like when you're in the spot? Because I am a, I am a captain thug it out. I will just stay up all day or do, no, nothing's going to work. Like, I just have to be there and eventually it will click. I have no shortcuts. Nothing really.

That's the thing. I went to sleep at like, I don't know, probably like two or three. On Saturday night. I woke up at 03:00 p.m. on Sunday, 03:30 p.m. and I was like, my God, the day is over. How did you manage to sleep 12 hours uninterrupted?

That is like the caricature of what I imagine your sleep habits to be.

It's not, they're not usually, I mean, they're bad, but they're not usually that bad. It was mortifying.

I wanna know how Spencer approaches, like, how to do his travel and summer vacations. Given all the struggles that I think people have about, like, this is gonna disrupt my entire life. And Spencer is going, where next? Where are you going?

Oh, yeah.

Where are you going on your next mystery adventure?

Mongolia. I wanted to write a story about their festival. They have a sporting festival in the summer. It's like a homecoming. You're going to go to wherever your village is. And in a place like Mongolia, that can mean a place that's pretty remote. And they're all going to get together. They're all going to do the three manly arts. Even if you're not a man. You're going to do wrestling, archery, or open country horse racing.

Open country horse racing.

There's no real options in Mongolia besides open country, really. It's not like you go to a track, like, they have a track in Ulaanbaatar, but, like, that's the capital. You're gonna just race over open territory, right? Just. Just usually, like, these kids who are in high school, and they just get out there and just let it rip. And I wanted to go do that, and I made the mistake of going, well, you know, I want to go to a real one. I want to go to a real one. They're like, oh, well, you should go to one in the sticks. Like, you should go to one, like, out in the country. I wonder if there's a tour I can do that with. Well, there is. There is. And they're more than happy to take you. And it'll take two weeks. I'm going with Brian Phillips, who was a writer for Grantlin, does podcasts. If you want to know what an extraordinary human being he is. I said, hey. Called him up. Hey, do you want to go to Mongolia? And the answer was yes.

Whose car are we taking?

Yeah, bro, let's go.

So you are participating in this. You are doing the sporting.

I don't know. There's a. There's a night on the agenda that says night with wrestlers. I. This could mean a lot of things, Katie.

And I could tell you about three of them.

Yeah, I don't know. Could be a tender evening. Could be a night where I get DDT'd into a campfire. I don't really know.

But to be a man.

But, yeah, it may be. Either way, I'm going to learn a lot. That's the way you have to approach a trip like this. You have to go. It's going to be a lot of learning.

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Oh, I actually brought like, an article. And I brought it because I'm fascinated, which I think is the point of the show. Yeah, I think that's what you're supposed to do.

I've been asking you to do this for so long.

I know. I finally did it. So this one was in the cut. And it's not just an essay about something crazy that somebody did that then we can all yell about online. Cause the cut is elite at that of, like, I'm a financial advisor and I put all my money in a paper bag and dropped it off in the backseat of a man who said that I needed to do that.

Yep. I'm a marriage counselor who killed her husband.

Yeah. Oops. I was being scammed.

Oops.

All scams. So I'm now trying to find it, because this is where I fail. It's like I had it.

This feels germane to the topic.

Katie Schneider. Okay. I wanted to get the name of the woman who wrote the article.

Yeah.

Okay.

The headline is, I have a terrible memory. Am I better off this way? The existential divide between rememberers and forgetters. So basically, there's two types of people. There are the people who have really strong memories when it comes to, like, autobiographical information, and then there are the people who don't, who feel lacking in that department. She cites the example of she needs to call her sister and ask her if she ever. If she. The woman, the protagonist. Have I ever gotten an hpv exam? Like, is this something I've done? And her sister is like, yeah, it was in 6th grade. Like, you didn't like the way that the test felt or whatever. She remembers very specific details. And the woman who's writing this article, Katie, is like, I don't, and I can't relate. And so she has found in her experience that you are either a rememberer or a forgetter. I am a forgetter 1000%, and I feel bad about it every single day. I have multiple calendar notifications and ways. I try to game my system to remind me of things that are important that somebody who remembers, who cares usually remembers, because I fear that my forgetting appears to be me not caring.

That sometimes it comes across as me not caring. When holy, I care so much, I just forget a lot.

How does weed figure into this for you?

Oh, so for me, I'm not as, like, that came later, I guess, in my life. So I don't think that my memory issues are as tied to it. It's also something a stoner says. So maybe. Maybe, your honor, I think actually, your honor, weed is what makes me lose track of time and things that are happening then where like, short term memory is like, literal for me. When I. If I. If I were to smoke weed allegedly, I feel like I can say I'm gonna do something and then it's 2 hours have passed and I haven't moved, and I think it's only been five minutes. That's kind of how my memory gets screwed up in. Or I'll be doing something and I'll think I've. I've just completed something that I have not done, but it's less about, like, what happened last week and my inability to remember that, I think.

So, spencer, one key part of this story that I found really interesting beyond, like, the clinical diagnoses which sit at the extremes of this, which I don't think, Katie, necessarily. We're sort of honest, as we all are all the time. All the time in every spectrum of things. But, like, scientifically, in 2015, there's a research paper which identified SDAM, severely deficient autobiographical memory. That is, of course, the forgetters. A decade before that, there was a mirror condition that had been established previously called Hsamdev, highly superior autobiographical memory. Of course, the rememberers. And in between there, of course, I.

Think, is most people, and that includes me. I wouldn't say that I'm on one of those crazy ends of the spectrum.

Same, but Spetzer, something that was a big takeaway from the story is that the people who actually remember more seem more miserable. And that forgetting also seems to be a key to, I think, a. Perhaps the most literal definition of something. We talk about a lot as a population these days, which is presence. They are so present that they don't remember the past. And that seems to actually have benefits psychologically in ways that were funny to me and also relatable.

We all talk about quarterbacks like this, right? And good quarterbacks, I think would be on the complete forgetters, people who have no memory whatsoever of what just happened. And that's probably true of a lot of really successful people in life, that they might throw out a stinker or a clanker and then immediately forget it. An athlete I'm most envious of in terms of attitude was always Dan Marino. That dude, you know what was going on behind his eyes? Nothing. Well, it was nothing. He was like, see guy throw ball.

Tom Brady, it feels like would be a rememberer. Dan Marino, though, a different way to accomplish quarterback in greatness.

He recorded like a PSA or an ad for some sponsor of the dolphins.

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They go, hey, man, do you want to see it back? And it's like old videotape and it's him and his prime. And he goes, f it.

Send it in.

Nope, I don't want to see.

That was it. And it's the best. Cause you go, I wish I could be like that.

Which is weird because I also don't relate to that if it comes to my own mistakes. I remember pretty vividly and beat myself up for a lot. But where I relate to the not remembering is, for example, I will. And this has been embarrassing to me for a long time. So this kind of made me feel better about it. I'll watch a movie, and then if you want to discuss it at length, and I've watched another movie. Between that movie and this one, I'm not gonna really be able to remember a lot of what happened.

You're the Dan Marino of movies.

I just am. Like, I like to think of it as I'm ephemeral. I'm, like, existing in the moment, really enjoying every aspect of your movie. And then as soon as it's over, I might not even remember I ever watched it.

Where are you, Spencer, on the spectrum, would you say? Where would you self classify?

I think I believe I am closer to the high detail memory, but that memory is never useful or informative. For instance, I might remember the exact way that the fake suede plush seats on my grandfather's old 88 felt and how it smelled. And I will remember the exact slant of the light through the window. And I will remember the pecan log that I got at Stuckey's when we stopped for gas.

So sensory. Yours is sensory?

Very much so.

Mine's emotional. The thing I always remember is the way I feel about something. The best way to describe it is when you see an actor that played a bad guy in another movie and you can't immediately place what it was, but you look at the actor and you go, I don't like that guy. Why don't I like that guy? That's me with almost everything. I know how you made me feel, whether or not I remember specifics of what happened in that interaction. I remember the, like, you've evoked this feeling. I have, like, a gut feeling about you that I'm a comfortable listening to because I know it's informed by something I have since forgotten, but I've retained the gut feeling.

There is a sports metaphor running through all of this as I'm hearing you guys talk about it, right? Like, gut instinct. Like, what does it mean to have, like, a library of things that you can consult that maybe you can't explain analytically but has served you in the past? Like, that is such an athletic, sporting concept that I think I relate to in this sense. My memory, I feel like, is comically bad in some spots and comically precise in others. And maybe this is most people, but what I think about is the time that someone asked me after I was just done taping around the horn, like, literally 2 hours before, someone on the sidewalk was like, oh, I love around the horn. I was like, oh, I just taped it. And he was like, what'd you guys talk about? And I didn't know. And so part of me is like, what am I spending time actively engaging with? Like, which is not to say that I don't care about around the horn. I do, but there's an autopilot aspect. Katie's making a face that makes me look terrible now to my colleagues and coworkers.

But it's sort of like, what are you spending time stressing out about? And is that actually what we put into our mental library? Because I feel that way a lot about quote unquote content, where it's like, oh, the stuff that I really feel invested in emotionally, to your point, Katie, that's the stuff that I can recall. But there are just so many things in my life that feel like, again, this is the meme that I always cite, which is like, you're the Raccoon holding cotton candy, trying to wash it in water only for it to dissolve and then be like, where the fuck did that go? That's like, so much of what I think my profession entails. And so, like, I have no memory for, like, what the was in the a block today, I don't know.

That's, like, where I. Where it's harmed me in many ways, but one of them is professionally recalling something outside of my emotions about sports. Memory is the way that I know people who are like, oh, my God, remember. It was the 7th inning, there were two outs, man on first. And I'm like, remember that specific now that you're telling it to me. I remember it that way. But all I remember is, like, I was. I felt anxious. I felt so, like it was over. And then the next moment, I was relieved of that because it wasn't over. Because we stayed a lot. I remember that. I don't ever, unless being reminded of it. I never have that, like, vivid memory of the thing that I feel like is used as the example of, like. So you don't like. And I'm like, no, I just don't. It doesn't work that way up here. I wish it did. I wish I liked history class. I hated it. Cause I could not remember.

That feels appropriate.

Anything ever. I'm like, you have to remember all these in order. How?

No, that's absolutely wild. Cause I don't. I don't remember the feeling at all. Right? I might. It might come to me randomly, but I'm never there. There is only, like, the camera. And that is. That is how my memory works. So it could be very precise in that respect. But if you ask me at any age, how I felt about that thing. No clue, huh? None. Yeah, I could tell you big stuff if I saw something big. Like, I was in the Georgia dome when it was hit by a tornado during the SEC tournament. Building is. And I do not remember fear at all. You know, I remember awe. I remember thinking, this is pretty significant meteorologically. This is, you know, structurally, this is pretty big. I remember Vern Lundquist sitting next to me going, the is that. Which is exactly what Vern Lundquist said. And I was like, that's what you should say at this moment, right? I remember Bill Rafferty getting under the table and me thinking, do you think that's going to help? You know, I remember thinking, like, you know, I remember thinking of that, like.

Onions is what Bill Rafferty was lacking in that moment.

You know, Bill was wise because he was taking a margin. You go, maybe the table will. You know me. I was like, I don't know. We'll die, you know, or we won't. It's fine.

The formative memories, though, of like, again, so I have a four year old, and I'm always wondering, like, what is she gonna remember from any of this? So, of course, like, it gets confused, I believe, with, like, your photo albums. And I think photography as is, that's absolutely.

I feel like I've watched home videos that now I recall those as memories, but it's just because I've watched them.

To Spencer's language of, like, it's just the camera. I think that increasingly, like, because our brain is actually being outsourced to the cloud, we are sort of, like, outsourcing the process, I fear, of actually remembering. Internalizing both details, emotions. We're sort of like, it'll be there. We can consult it if we need it. We can pull it back up to the point where, like, I will look at photographs in the modern era and I'll be like, holy. I forgot about taking this. I forgot about the fact that I did that until I just revisited it just now. Whereas so much of my childhood memory is in, like, the photo album context. I remember, like, being at SeaWorld in Florida as a little kid, like, putting my finger in, like, a hole in, like, a fake, like, iceberg thing at, like, one of the displays that they had. And I'm like, do I remember that? Or is that just a photo? I keep on revisiting and I wonder if you guys have what's, like, the most vivid thing as your earliest memory that you can recall. Because that Seaworld thing is mine, and I don't even know if I actually remember it or if I just have seen the photo, like, a million times.

That's the thing. I don't know that I can separate mine from photos, like. Or from stories, even. Like, I think I would say one of my earliest memories is, like, being in my. Cause we were in a. We were in a home. It sounded like we're old people. We lived in one house until I was in first grade. So it was like, I didn't spend a lot of memory time in this house, but I remember it. So that's how I know that memory must have happened for me before first grade. But I remember being in that house, like, in the kitchen. I think it's me remembering my grandmother telling me that in case any kids are listening, I don't want to, but that something isn't a real. And I. And I think that's my first memory, but it's also a story. So I don't know if it's just a story. I've been told that I painted the picture for myself in my head. I could not tell you my earliest childhood memory I don't know. Useless. Spencer, what's your childhood memory, your earliest memory you remember?

It had to be South Carolina and it had to be 1978. So that would have put me at about two. And it was my father or my mother unsure of whose foot it was. But there was a piece of drywall that had a hole for the dryer vent to go through it. And I remember sitting on the floor of this room and one of my parents playfully putting their foot through the drywall, right, like through the hole and wiggling their toes at me. And I remember this is a rare actual emotional memory. I remember being horrified that there was a human visage, a figure, a disembodied foot coming through the wall. And me like, so my first memory is like sense horror.

A glory hole. A foot glory hole.

That's not a glory hole for footsies. That was my first, my first memory was being very hot, scared and looking up and seeing a foot coming through the wall at me and going, that's not right.

Huh?

This is why you don't want memories.

Yeah, right.

That taught me nothing about life. That taught me nothing about how to be a person. It didn't make me better. It's just a weird, not particularly interesting. You know, it's not even like a David Lynchian kind of story of like, I saw a human head on a post somewhere. I feel like maybe want to be an artist.

You know, Spencer, I feel like a more manipulative therapist could spin that story into something that feels like an explainer. For who?

I don't know how you. Where you stand, no pun intended, on feet. But if there were to be a proclivity of some type, we could probably trace it back.

I will tell you no and no. Yeah, no, no. Not my thing at all. Cool. But yeah, like, I don't want that memory. If you just said, like, hey, do you just want to go ahead and eject that? I'd be like, yeah, take it.

I feel like we may have just had a breakthrough with Spencer though, as to why he doesn't like feet. I. Okay, try to unsing that song.

Talk more about that.

Yeah.

Is that what they do? Tell me a little bit. Let's close that. Let's speak more about that.

The topic that I brought today because I was looking for, what's the Venn diagram between the three of us beyond, obviously, our collective hatred of the foot?

Right.

It's video games. And I've been finding myself doing a thing that is implausible. I think for me, once upon a time, which is not playing the thing, but just watching someone play the thing. And the thing has been Elden ring, the DLC, the downloadable content.

Nice. Why are you putting it me? Cause I taught you what DLC was.

Katie taught me what DLC beats. But there's an expansion pack is what I used to call it, and it's really hard. And Eldon, can one of you guys explain Elden ring, actually, so I didn't play it.

Did you play it, Spencer?

Yeah, and I'm terrible at it.

Okay, you explained it.

Absolutely terrible. But if I had to put it, it would be like decaying, medieval, otherworldly environment inhabited by a series of increasingly powerful, ass kicking monsters that you have to fight.

Sounds right to me.

That's what I've been watching, is people fight demons.

Yeah.

And getting routinely destroyed in one genre, but the other genre is, after 17,000 hours, I finally defeated the demon. And I'm like, I love this. I don't know why I love this. I just love watching someone else fight a demon in this bizarre medieval universe full of mythological characters.

When you watch it, are you almost breaking down tape? Are you noticing, oh, he does that right sidestep there. How that's why he would employ that move against. Or are you just watching it like it's happening before you?

I hadn't thought about this until just now, but it is kind of like how I feel about watching football analysis at a high level. Yeah, I don't know any of this. I'm never gonna use this. I'm mostly just trying to figure out, is this person actually good at this? And if they are, I become fascinated, even though that language is not one I will ever learn. I will never play this video game. I will never play football or coach football, but I will listen to, like, these extensive breakdowns and strategy sessions in the way that I will watch this video game streamer. Because I'm like, this feels impressive to me now, and I don't know if I'm being conned by something, if I'm an idiot, or if I'm, like, an aspirational person who's just constipated with this.

I was playing Spider man with you for 5 seconds. You weren't really a.

How dare you.

What?

How dare you?

You weren't really planning how best to deploy the tools given to you. You weren't like, okay, I'm just a kid out there. You weren't like, in this scenario, you have three different types of webs, and it would probably be best for me to employ the one. Because I'm facing many enemies at once. It would be best for me to use the web that draws in multiple enemies to one spot so I can then use my l one to then unleash an attack that will affect them all because they've all been brought to me. You weren't thinking that way. You were like, I have this. I have this. I have this. You were kind of just deploying.

I'm bread far after my dad died, and I think I'm just, like, throwing bombs, and it's gonna work, and I'm gonna feel like the greatest football player of all time.

I think people who play Elden ring do, because this was. I, like, a hard boss fight. But I can't have an entire video game of hard boss fights. And my understanding of elden ring, which, to be clear, is just by being on chat. Cause every night, I get on chat with my brother and a bunch of his friends, and sometimes we'll all be playing the same game. Sometimes we're all playing different games, and one of them or two of them are playing or were playing elden ring and just listening to them get their asses kicked every single night. I was like, this isn't for me. Because I like a hard boss fight, right? Example, the valkyries in God of war. I like having to figure out the way this lady moves. Do I get frustrated? So frustrated. But once you unlock the. Oh. As soon as she yells that annoying phrase, what that means is that she's coming on your right, and you're gonna have to step to your left and then hit this button. Or, like, employ this shield specifically. Cause it'll stop her from. Once you figure that out, you're like, ooh, I'm the man.

You're a puzzle solver.

You can't tell me? I just figured all you were very difficult, and now you're easy. Now I can walk through you, but then I have to go do other stuff. Like, let me go make a potion. Let me go collect a bunch of gold coins. Let me go answer a riddle. I cannot just sit and go. Like, now that I beat this boss, let me go boss again immediately is too much.

I just realized now I'm just Leroy Jenkins. Oh, my God. He just ran in. I will watch you develop a plan. When I'm in there, I'm mashing these buttons. Yeah, like, I will either. My two. The two versions of myself that I am most familiar with in video games are open world player who's not doing any missions.

I'm familiar with that just let.

Oh, yeah. No id. Let's. Brother, let's speak on it. Yeah, absolutely. You wonder how many intentionally unfinished Red dead. Two. Save files I have.

This is blasphemy. You're talking to a completionist. This is blasphemy.

I mean, no, I would know. I will. I will. There will be one totally complete thing.

Okay, good.

That's fine.

Thank you.

You have to get me into the hunter Seeker brain pattern, which I have super strong, but I can't direct it. So, in other words, I will be a completionist, but only for the thing I really care about. So, for instance, I have never, ever, ever completed the fishing in Red Dead. Never. But you know what? I spent a good 72 hours of actual life energy doing. Hunting, harvesting every trophy and every animal so that my boy could put that.

That Chad bar was hard.

Arthur needed the swaggiest western gear, because if he was gonna die, he was gonna die looking floppy.

That bear hat was a gateway drug. The second you unlocked that, you were like, I need them all now. I need to go get all of them.

Yeah, absolutely.

I was mostly punching horses.

Yeah, you punched a lot of horses, Sadie.

And I would play Red Dead, and I would just punch horses.

This is also an acceptable use of the game. There's no right or wrong way to play.

That's right.

I always. Look, it was the Montessori school of Red Dead redemption, right? I'm just like, let me play over here in the corner. I will be banned from every town. Cause I'm just punching horses.

You were an outlaw. Yeah. And you never paid off your whatevers.

Five star level GTA equivalent. Like, I have the cops chasing me in every possible village, but so what.

Is it for you, then? Watching people play video games? Because I don't do that.

So I think there's something here. No, I think there's something here because you're a puzzle solver, and you're like, I want to go do this myself. I'm like, I find that impressive, but left my own devices. I am just not going to do it. But I will find it admirable. I will watch someone else do it. I'm just never going to have the discipline to do it myself. Way too much work.

If you're watching somebody do it, wouldn't you rather just go do it?

Not that.

Yeah.

For instance, my kids turn me onto a lot of games because they'll watch these videos of their favorite streamers playing them, and I will watch them because a lot of them are games that I think I could enjoy, but honestly, simply do not have the time. There is a game called my summer car. My summer car is a rally car simulator, but it's also a Finland simulator. So imagine if you had to build a cardinal and you had to actually put every part together. That's what it is. It's tedious. You have to learn to put together a car in actual virtual parts from the floor up. I'm never, ever gonna do that.

Ever.

Right. Additionally, there are a thousand ways to die in this game, because your character who is building this requires maintenance. Like a sim, like a towel.

Like, you have to feed and go to bed and wash it, right?

And you can die by being stung to death by wasps. You can actually pee in the game. And if you pee on a tv, you die because it electrocutes you, as everyone knows.

Pee on a tv, you're dead.

You have to pay your bills in the game. So sometimes the lights go off in your house.

I'm lost now. I'm out.

For that reason, I am out.

That's where it loses me. I'll just go live my life.

But I can watch a streamer play it, and it's absolutely hilarious.

That's the best pitch I've been given to pique my interest of watching somebody deal with the annoyance of a game that I wouldn't want to be annoying. Annoyed by.

Some 24 year old in Melbourne just spent 120 hours playing this, and they boiled it down to a 27 minutes YouTube video for my pleasure.

Perfect.

Thank you, Martin Zito pants. I really appreciate that.

That's another part of it, though, is that it's the distillation of, like, get to the good parts.

Yeah.

Or the parts that I find interesting and I can find them and not have to. Like, it's just so much work.

Yeah.

So. But Katie likes. I feel like you like doing some amount of work when it comes to. So what are you playing right now that no one else gives a about?

No one cares. You can skip to your next podcast now, but do not do that. This is a video game. It's called the Talos principle. I'm actually currently playing Talos principle two. It's like logic puzzles, but basically the conceit of the game is that you're.

You're doing the LSAT. You're doing the LSAt as a video game.

You're a robot, an AI being that has come after humanity. Humanity's done. You are the future evolution of humanity. It's them coming into consciousness, trying to figure out what happened to humanity and what of humanity they're supposed to take with them and what they're supposed to leave behind. So it's like AI grappling with the concept of love and AI grappling with the concept of art. And all of that is just like you're walking up to terminals in between puzzles, because puzzles are all in different rooms. You're basically just walking between different rooms. But in the meantime, if you want, you can go up to this computer terminal and it'll give you like an excerpt of like a poem, or it'll give you like a.

You read all those and you read.

Yeah, because that's this game. It's just puzzles and that there's no other, you're not really interacting with anybody else. There's no story unless you make one. And it's, I find it really interesting because it's like poems and books and stuff. Kind of what you were just saying. Get to the good part. I'd love to be a person who has read, like, all of these old classic great novels, but I'm not going to be able to read them all. And so if you're going to tell me that actually in the concept of where you are in this video game, there's a relevant passage from one of the classics that I think would really hit right now, and we put it in this computer for you. So you can just read that and then go try to figure out how to get the red light from the red light source to where it needs to go without crossing the blue light. It's fascinating. And so they just had a bunch of DLC, and I like when the DLC is like, girthy. I like when it's like, it's a three part DLC. You're not gonna blow through it right away.

A downloadable choke?

Yeah. Yeah. Well, the links can be there, too. I like it to have, I don't like when you pay $20 for DLC and you're like, oh, I did it. And it's a done, and it's, if it's free and it's quick, fine. But if I'm paying money for it, I want it to be like almost like a second game to get me through until you come out with a new game.

Two thoughts. One, this reminds me of a game that actually scared me and I think radicalized me into wanting to be the open world horse puncher, which was missed.

Oh, boy. I never played it, but, yeah, Spencer.

You never missed 100%. Yes, I do. And I have to say that this leads, I'm going to jump this is why I was a terrible math student. I'm going to skip eight steps and get to the conclusion to draw from this, which is that guides are good and you should use guides and it will increase your enjoyment of the game if you use a help guide. Because I understand wanting to raw dog the entire game and puzzle wise, if you want to be that person, but you're here for enjoyment.

Yeah. That's what it comes to. Speech I give myself before I finally google a hint where I'm like, you're not a bad person. You're here for pleasure. You don't have to be perfect all the time.

Yeah, you don't have to be perfect. You don't have to do it. Somebody already did this for you. This is not the time in your life when you want to go ahead and be Lisa Simpson and demand to be graded and perfect. That's just not. It's not why you're here. You're here to zone out. You got the rest of your life to go do that other hard. So go ahead. I listen. Somebody, whoever wrote the Breath of the wild Guide at Polygon, oh, my God.

Bless you.

I will see you forever.

Yeah.

What did we find out today, guys? We're on a show called Pablo. Toy finds out. We find out things, revisit traumas.

Michelin is Michelin. They're the same thing.

That was a big revelation.

That's a big one for me because I think I've had that question mark for a long time. But then here's what I've also learned, is that I'm going to need to relearn that because I will forget. And later in life I'll ask, are those the same Michelin and Michelin and someone will have to go. Then Katie Nolan gifts will go. You've actually already learned this. You learned this on this specific day.

He's on the downloadable chode episode.

Imagine having somebody else having the memory of your life that you don't have and you're like, I am insufficient. How do you have a memory for this? I don't.

So that's what I learned, Spencer.

Yeah. I think we learned that Katie might be happier for not having an accurate memory. And that's something I'm trying to carry. I'm trying to carry forward, trying to forget more stuff.

Yeah. I feel like what I learned as I exclaimed, unprompted, I am Brett Favre, that I found a way in which I relate to one of the worst people in all sports.

Well, it's one of the better ways to relate. I guess there's a lot of bad ways you could have related, and I'm glad that you don't relate in those ways.

I also learned that Spencer wants to tongue kiss the polygon.com author who wrote the Breath of the Wild.

I had that confirmed for me today, but I could have guessed. I feel like I had an inkling.

Oh, listen. One of the great works of literature of all time. Also today we learned in a podcast that will be Pablo's least listened to podcast ever. The future follow up, the what Warhammer faction is. Pablo. Pablo, buddy. Want to show you what? You're an orc. You're an orc. Zero thought, instant punching, no aim, roll the dice.

That's.

That's what you are.

How are those. How are those calves looking, though? How are those orc calves?

Hopping, rip daddy, jacked. Green and jacked and complete without a single troubling thought in their heads. I've. Listen. This is your faction, baby.

Yeah. Green, jacked, and sculpted lovingly by Spetzer hall is exactly what I want my calves to resemble. This has been Pablo Torre finds out a Meadowlark media production and I'll talk to you next time.