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Why are you listening to this show?

The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Levitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.

In fact, the.

Only difference.

Seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys?

I've done it.

And.

Now here's The marching man to nowhere, fatface, and the habitual liar.

Jessica, I still do not know the lampshade has moved, and I don't know who that is or the details of the punishment. I've just heard whimpers that it's harder than what I'm gathering is that he thought it would be. I love lamp.

Okay, we need to.

Have timing.

He's been singing Sondheim. I don't know if that-.

Jeremy, we need.

To have- That's Jeremy?

I just heard his voice, and that's how I recognized him.

Well, Jeremy can't see you, Dan, because, as you mentioned, he has a lampshade on.

His face. So timing is not great. Well, that's what I was pointing.

My timing.

Is not great. That's what I was pointing out. How hard has that been? Are you editing today or what are you doing? I didn't think you were part of the show today.

Yeah, I'm just taking notes and editing, and it's really difficult. I'm staring ahead and got all sorts of floaters because all I can see is white. So I'm trying to look down as best as I can to see computers, but I have to like over here. I'm going.

To go like that. I don't think you're allowed to touch it, Jeremy. I don't think you're allowed to move.

This is a little difficult. Okay, so can you look something up for me, please? Yeah, you got it, Dan. Alvin Kamara, can you look up for me what he did yesterday? Receiving yards only. Only receiving yards. Yeah, for sure. You got it. All right, let's just wait for a second. All right. In keeping with what we were talking about, that there are a lot of check-downs, and Derrick Carr is having some trouble throwing for yardage.

Did you see Alvin Kamara show up in a Pace Car? A NASCAR Pace Car?

I saw Sabin in a Ferrari. I didn't see that. What is.

That all about? Sabin is so back, by the way.

Really? Yeah, he is. Sobeck. Did you ever go anywhere?

Yeah, I dismissed him at the beginning of the season.

Silly boy.

Big mistake.

I've got you on all those receiving yards, Dan.

All right, go ahead and give me what the stat is, please, just in keeping with the idea that it's hard to gain yardage in that league.

Yeah, it's get three catches for negative 11 yards, Dan.

But he showed up in a pace car. I asked myself, Why did he show up in a pace car, Dan? You're probably asking that same thing because if you saw the video of him showing up in a NASCAR, you're like, Why would an NFL player show up that way? It's because he's a consultant for NASCAR. That has been so since 2021.

Interesting. And what does a consultant for NASCAR do?

His job is for growth and engagement. His role is growth and engagement advisor for NASCAR. He became a NASCAR fan because of bubble Wallace in 2020 and in 2021. They brought him on for growth and engagement.

Stugatz, I gave you a stat earlier this year that Alvin Kamara had like 38 receiving yards in one game on 13 catches. Yeah. The field is hard to gain yardage on. Points are down. There were a lot of teams yesterday scoring three points and six points and no points and under 13 points. I feel really bad for everybody involved with and anyone who cares about the Carolina Panthers. Because that owner, under those conditions, that seems like a pretty miserable place.

To work. It sure does. They took the wrong quarterback. For the season, Camara has 63 catches for 400 yards. That seems impossible.

Allow me to shoehorn a video in because you mentioned Alvin Camara, who plays in New Orleans, arguably the biggest star in that town. But Zion Williamson is also a very big star right now. I use big in a couple of different ways because Zion's weight has been, once again, brought into the national spotlight as the Pelicans, played an important game in the NBA IST. Stephen A. Smith did not pull punches when talking about Zion Williams. I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this take.

He's phat en route while LeBron James had dropped 30 in three quarters and had completely dominated and looked in peak physical condition and looked like an absolute studand superstar. And Mark K, Zion Williamson, who's more than 15 years younger but 40 pounds heavier, went to the free throw line. Ladies and gentlemen, I saw a belly. I mean, damn.

What's up, Zion? At Bad Nights, you got your ass kicked. Losing about 44 points in the playing semifinal. Did nothing to lead to galvanize your team, did nothing to show the man child that you are in the takeover. But you look like you showed up to the game having just ate a buffet. Like you ate the damn table. He looked like he ate the buffet. I saw him literally in hell take a deep breath in the freethrow line, and I saw a belly like Austin Powers, fat bastard, like get in my belly. That's what I saw.

A weird reference. It was.

Just a belly reference. Well, you're a.

Fat bastard. What was this? Like, '99?

I mean, all of our media icons are getting old. I forget everybody's names. It happens. He's got to keep up in the competitive media game, and there are going to be some things, very few, that slip past him. Some of them are going to be related, by the way, gots to how it is we handle topics like this one, because the woke among us might point out that making a young person who's under a great deal of pressure, who should be a professional and needs to be a maximum professional, Zion Williamson may be somebody who arrived at what he thought would be happiness, and it hasn't felt much like happiness. And so there may be some issues there as someone who didn't go to college, but for a year. And I know-.

Being too harsh.

-too harsh. I know. When my brother was dying, I inflated. I don't know what's going on in his life, but these people have... I physically inflated.

I have an idea of one of the things going on in his personal life, thanks to social media.

He was in Vegas. I mean, buffets. I'm just saying. I mean, you tend to eat a lot. I don't.

Think it happened over the course of two days.

Put it on the pole at Levitard show, please. Do you love a Vegas buffet? Vegas buffet, happy or sad? Because it does depend on the buffet, but I love a Vegas buffet. And I would just ask you guys, Jessica, perhaps you can help me here because I know you don't like fat shaming, and I've been wanting to make some fat shaming jokes at my expense around here that are more orchestrated than the ones of Stugart saying I just break ATVs when I sit on them. I want our comedy to have a little more than that.

That was a good one.

Yeah, it was a good one. I can't dispute it. Look, I remember it, and I'm bringing it up. And I know it was a good one. I really was proud of that one. I saw. Hard to break those. I saw when he inserted it. I saw how proud he.

Was of it.

The suspension on those things. I'm still mad I didn't come up with FATV.

I.

Will tell you, got that while he needs to be professional, he is also a kid, very young still. You could say he's an adult. He's certainly muscled like an adult.

Shouldn't Stephen A also be professional?

Well, but.

Stephen A- I mean, he was professional. He found a way to call him a fat bastard without actually calling him a fat bastard.

We still got Stephen A benefits from this. And old media is not going to really understand young players. Why would they? The Pontificators and the judgment holders are going to rain down more and more judgment. The adults are going to rain down more and more judgment on the kids, and it'll be college next. We will keep getting crueler and cruelers, Dugald, and giving us permission to do so. And the audience, by the way, agrees with Stephen A. Smith, except perhaps people like me who have struggled with their weight all their life, all their life. Like, Zion Williamson has struggled with his weight for a while. And when Mike says, That thing that happened to him on the Internet, seems pretty shameful. Seems like if wherever it is that you're unhappy, now people know about your sex business, that seems like it'd be unpleasant. You might not already be happy in New Orleans. God knows what comes with those riches and fame. New Orleans can be a sad town. I saw it eat up my friend Ricky Williams, who was trying to be a star in that town, chewed him up.

I understand all these deeper conversations, and I'm not dismissing them, but it can also be that he just doesn't like the strength and conditioning program. Yes, agreed. Yeah, just prefers to not condition.

That way. Well, but we don't know because he's not going to give us the vulnerability in an interview because when he's asked for his favorite Thanksgiving food, he won't answer because he knows the internet's.

Going to run with it. Right, well, here's a couple of things that we do know. We've seen occasionally, it'll go viral whenever... Because his conditioning has had a bit of peaks and valleys. Remember all the excitement around a more svelte, Zion Williamson, his former trainer has taken to Instagram, victory lapping over- Griffin said- He showed up in shape when I was his trainer.

But one of the problems is LeBron James. The fact that he's this old, he's played this many seasons, and he's out there in peak physical condition.

Well, that's ridiculous. Okay, but he's a total anomaly in all of it, Stugart, and also being able to handle the pressures of being a manchild at a.

Young age. I'm not saying that's a problem. It's not LeBron's fault. But when you're comparison shopping and you're looking at Zion Williamson and LeBron James playing in the same game and realizing that guy is 16 years older than the other guy and he's in far better shape, it does not help Zion's cause.

People have different genetics, and it's always been a conversation around Zion. How will this body age? Because even when he was breaking shoes at Duke, which was good for business for Nike, we were all wondering aloud, how will he maintain his body? I think.

While.

A lot of this is unfair from Stephen A, if you talk to people around the New Orleans Pelicans, the thought is that Zion could at least be doing more when it comes to conditioning.

David Griffin said that this is the best shape that he's ever been in, and it's the first time he took their conditioning seriously. But as someone who has struggled with his weight all his life, without getting to the roots of, why can't I get this under control? Why can't I figure out I'm eating right? I'm exercising right? What am I pushing down with my food? Where am I repressed? What's my body holding on to? Why is it releasing cortisol? Why when I flip tires and I'm trying to get in shape, my body receives it like I'm being chased by a bear instead of that I'm exercising and trying to lose weight? Why is my body working against me? I'm telling you, it can be the wide spectrum of things. Yeah, maybe he's just a lazy bum. Maybe he just doesn't care at all. Maybe he's a jerk who's throwing it all away and needs to be more professional, that fat bastard.

He's averaging 23 a game.

Or maybe he struggles with his weight for reasons that he's still too young to know about because I'm 50 bleeping four, and I still don't know why I struggle with my weight. Chris Cody, why do you struggle with your weight? How long have you struggled with your weight?

I think you might because you put French fries in your salad.

What about you? Cheesecake?

I just don't exercise enough.

He just doesn't have the salad. But it sounds like you would kill for an NBA level strength and conditioning program to help you find the answers.

Did you all call fat, Chris fat?

I hated every minute of the last seven minutes.

Because?

Oh, man, where to begin?

You.

Have 19 seconds. Last time I tried to do this didn't end well for me, for anyone, so I'm not going to do it this time. Have fun with your conversation, fellows.

Okay, Jeremy?

I don't like fat shaming either, Dan.

Dan Lebertard.

Oh, I think Larry Fitzgerald is on the green right there.

Stugats.

That's Alfonza Rivera.

How do.

You think that Larry Fitzgerald is on the green?

And the son.

Oh, the son. To be fair. To be fair.

Alfonza Rivera has a great ass.

This is the Dan Lebertard show.

With the Stugats.

Stugats, I used to say of Michael Jordan, of all of the things on his list of accomplishments, higher than even the regular defying of gravity that the rest of people cannot do higher than even defying gravity was, he made bald cool. Lebron James can never be Michael Jordan. But what he's done in the modern age as a young person who navigated all of the minefields that Zion, Williamson, and other young players have to navigate, when I remember a time, sots that the arguments were fierce about a player in the pros must go to four years of college because you cannot start throwing freshmen in college into the deep end of all of the temptation that is around the NBA. You cannot throw a 19 or 20 or 21-year-old kid like the arguments. You remember? You're old enough to remember the arguments. You got to go to four years of college. Tim Duncan, maybe you come out your junior year, but Tim Duncan is a better bet because he went to college.

Right. I mean, you had guys like Sean Kemp who didn't go to college and certain things happened to Sean. He was a great player, but things happened to Sean Kemp and people say, Hey, if you went to college, gained some life experience, perhaps your career would have went a different way.

What happened to Sean Kemp is he had a lot of children. He did a lot of cocaine. He got fat. He didn't go to college. Now you can do all those things at college. I did.

Really? You had children?

I didn't have cocaine either.

You had none of those things. It was after college for you.

Thank you, guys. This past weekend was a book. Thank you. God bless football, where Billy and Stagard support all the things that we do around here.

He's supposed to be moving fast with you. I'm not supposed to tell that I'm telling him things.

He's gotten a lot slower with age.

By the way, you said that LeBron is never going to be Michael Jordan. He's only one championship behind him right now.

Not true.

No enough with this, Billy. I saw your tweet this weekend. It's not mathematically true. Jordan won one in college.

He did. He won a national championship for Carolina his freshman year, hit the big shot against Georgetown. But you know, LeBron thinks that he's won championship away from Michael.

That was embarrassing. That celebration with champagne in the locker room and the goggles and everything. It was too much.

Why? They were having a fun time. He's being a good future League partner to Adam Silver also because he wants to probably buy a team once he retires. Make the commissioner happy.

Lebron won a national title in high school.

In 2003. They do it, you're back. Okay, how.

About-did Michael win.

One of those? He won one in sixth grade.

Well, then if we're going to go say championship... If you're going to say championship-.

Put it on the pole, actually. At Levitard Show, Will Stugat's tell his grandchildren that Michael Jordan won an NBA Championship in sixth grade?

I will. I have so many whoppers for my grandchildren.

You mentioned Wappers, I think food. We were just talking about food. I think a McDonald's bringing back the snack wrap. What? That's right. Get out of here. They're bringing it back. Are you serious? Yes, but not quickly. Dollar menu? 2025. We got to wait a year for some reason. Why? I don't understand.

I don't get it. I also saw McDonald's is like soft launching a coffee chain to rival Starbucks and Duncan now. Yeah. Called Cosmics. Did you guys see this? Really? Yeah. I think I saw it on TikTok. So I grew up, Humblerag, not far from hamburger University. What? There was a McDonald's near my hometown where they put all the secret menu items and stuff and stuff that they were going to test out. And you could just go to the hamburger university. I also saw Mike Dica there once. What? I went to a speaking engagement. He was giving at hamburger University, not about hamburgers, about the bears.

It sounded like you said whoppers.

That would be a conflict of interest.

That is correct. Put it on the pole at Levitar show. Do you miss the McDonald's snack wrap? But since we're talking about LeBron, Stugat, you guys can go ahead and put that on the screen if you want to.

That looks like AI. Maybe I got fooled.

I see the Video Department is fiddling around with a McDonald's emblem of some sort. They could just throw that on the screen if they want, if they're going to interrupt the show and distract me.

I like it. I mean...

I thought it was a fake story, honestly, but there's a full menu. I'm still not convinced that it's real.

It does look fake.

It's just one of those things that just...

Why?

I feel like right now, beverages are so hot right now, Billy. Not hot as in temperature. Everyone wants a fun beverage. Right, Chris Cody? Very in. Everyone wants to go to Duncan or Starbucks or wherever and get a cool beverage, a cool coffee drink. And McDonald's is like, we want to get in.

On that. Put it on the poll at Levitard show. Do you think McDonald's can beat Starbucks at coffee or Duncan Donuts at coffee? Can compete with coffee? But getting back to the LeBron James Point, Stugart, so a guy who came into the league with some of the same stuff as Zion Williamson. I've never seen a body like that on someone who's not yet a man, someone who is still a child in some ways physically. How can that be stronger than NBA players that's a kid? They come in with similar expectations. I would say, I do not want to normalize, even though we've chased LeBron around for 20 bleeping years saying, Yeah, you're all right, but you're not Jordan. He's set the standard in such an impossible place that Zion Williamson and Whenmanyama cannot get there in the social media age. They will not have a chance to be as good as he's been in public for 21 years when he's still winning and caring about stupid games when you've got the games changed so much that it's out from three. And if you really want these players to care, you got to give them more millions to not load-manage.

If you want to beat Halliburton in a game that matters because he's playing it for the 12th guy on his bench, you got to give him more reason that LeBron James would be beating Zion. That LeBron James in a tournament would be beating young players who are trying their hardest.

It's a one-game scenario, but I understand what you're saying.

I'm just saying I don't want to say it's normal. Michael Jordan didn't look like this at this age.

Did not. He was playing for the Wizards, I think, at this age.

If he even was playing at this age.

I mean, Anthony Davis did look good the last two games.

Agreed. I'm just pointing out that he's put the standard in the same place, Bradyy has, so that when I see the quarterbacking yesterday, I'm like, Oh, my God, that's shit. That's just garbage what I'm watching.

I think the really impressive thing that you pointed out is what he's been able to do off the court, not getting any trouble, considering he's gone through it in the social media age. Michael Jordan did not.

Well, this is what I want to show the audience here because I want to get your take as a proud father of a champion. I want to get your take on this video that we're about to show the audience of LeBron James, taking video of Bronnie and writing on Instagram. Can't even tell you all how emotional today was for me. I'm literally drained. And all I can say is, Bronnie, you're simply incredible. Damn the wins and losses that will occur. You've already won the ultimate gold championship, and that's life. Proud of you, kid. And today you've given me more life. Thank you.

And I love you. It's awesome. Dan, I can tell you, when Kobe passed away, one of the first things I thought of was, Wow, Kobe had a great career on the court, accomplished so much, but he's just getting to the best stuff because it truly is better to watch your kid do it than it is doing it yourself. I understand where LeBron is coming from. I had similar moments with Rachel playing at Northwestern. She hasn't played that much, but she played in the final four game. I was there and I got to see her play in a final four game for five minutes. I was very emotional. I filmed the entire thing. I get goosebumps when I see LeBron doing what he did over the weekend and hearing him talk about it, it's really cool.

I was Stugaz comparing his collegiate lacrosse career to Kobe Bryant's professional career.

And LeBron.

Can we just laugh for a second at LeBron actually bringing his phone out to record this moment? I know that's a sweet thing. It's what parents do. But doesn't he have a social media guy? If I'm LeBron, I have somebody, Hey, videotape all this on the phone for me so I can be in the moment. I was impressed and also dumbfounded at LeBron being that parent who's literally recording this grainy video now on his phone.

You want to be hands-on, Chris. You do. You want to be that. No, but this is Chris.

Lebron could have a video guy make an entire.

Youtube video. Chris, being in the moment these days is being on your phone and in your phone and filming your son.

That's a great take. Can we put that on the pole?

Put it on the pole at Levittar Show. Is being in the moment, maximum religious present being in your phone.

Forget the pole. Put that on a poster.

Put it on a T-shirt.

Thank you.

Text it to someone.

Angel, put it on a T-shirt, levitartaf. Com.

That was incredible. I do think picking up your phone to take a picture or film something has become like a reflex. I just instinctively, I'm like, Oh, my God! My dog did something cute that she's done 7,000 times earlier just this very day. I have to take a picture. Then I'm like, Okay, I don't actually... You try to catch yourself. I don't need a third video from this concert of the same song. I will never watch this back.

It's just a reflex now. The other day, my daughter is running to Stanley the Panther, the Panthers mascot. I didn't even think about it. I'm like, I have to videotape this. I have to get my phone out, hurry up. Grace, stay over there. Don't come back yet. I got to get you running back.

You're in the moment.

I don't know why I did it, but it's like, I'm me. If I was LeBron, I would have someone in that moment be like, Hey, you're on social media duty today. Get it all on the phone. I want to watch it later. Then I can just sit there and be LeBron James. It's just wild to me watching him. It's endearing, but it's also just like, What is this world?

He wants it from his POV, though. He wants to go back probably and watch like, Oh, this is what I saw on my phone when I lived in the moment through my cell phone.

If someone else was doing it, they would criticize him. We criticize him today for not being in the moment.

I would not- He.

Record yourself.

I would not criticize him if he was standing there just in the moment.

Well, I think I'm going to- If.

He was really in the moment, he'd be on his phone, though.

I'm going to try and be Skip Baylor here, and I'm going to see an aging war horse of takes. I'm going to see, because everything you guys say is so, but I'm going to see if I wish I was wearing a costume right now. Hey, LeBron, you fake father. You wanted everybody to see you videotaping that it wasn't about being present in the moment and living your life presently. That was a marketing tool to make sure that nobody saw that your agents betting on games.

He got the eyebrow.

Down on me. I was hoping the camera. I was... I was holding the camera. Would zoom in on me very closely as I eviscerated one of the great icons of our time who has always behaved so well publicly and was having a fatherly moment. And then childless me saunters over and accuses him. It's what being Stugatz is for a moment. Like, Stugats took the other role this time. Felt good. Oh, my God. Did it feel good? It was joyous. Do you want me to try it again?

Sure. It was Maverick Carter, not Rich Paul. Fine.

All right, I'll do it again. Forgive me. It is a fine. And fine, I'll do it again. We'll do it live.

Are you getting money?

Yeah, now I can't do it live because we're up.

Against the clock. Can I get this money retroactively since the fine bucket got stolen again last week?

Who stole the money? Who stole the money? Again? Again? Billy, yes. I got.

Zero dollars. Look, I owe you an apology. What? I called Garrett Wilson, Gabriel Wilson last week, so I'm good at NYU Five.

Let's just hand it straight.

To her. Make it a 50.

Don Lebertard. Let's go to 80.

His name is Bo. His name is Bo.

Wow. I think Billy typed an eight instead of a B.

It's the clearest day of the month.

Two dollars.

Stugats. Number eight. Go ahead. It's Chris Carter on the line. It's EZ.

This is the Dan Levator Show with the Stugats. Over the.

Weekend, we had one of the closest Heisman races of recent years, so it wasn't all that close. It just goes to show you how usually these things are set in stone. I have a beef with the whole process that a lot of the votes are due before Conference Championship weekend because I think Michael Pennex did enough in winning the Pack 12 to make you reconsider and also didn't allow for any Jordan-Travis narrative to get out there in the mainstream media as his injury was deemed by the College Football Playoff Committee to be important enough to change the course potentially of college football history.

I voted for him, and I voted for him on my phone without even knowing it, about 45 minutes before the results were posted. I didn't know I was that close up against the deadline, and I just didn't know what time the deadline was.

Your vote didn't count. You voted Saturday, your vote.

Didn't count. I hate to tell you. No, my vote did count. Stop the count. No, I was one of Jordan Travis's eight votes. He got eight first place votes, and I regret two things, not voting for the Iowa punter, and that Michael Pennex didn't lose by one vote.

Who were those.

Eight rascals? But you're saying you voted on Saturday?

No, I voted before the deadline. The deadline was not Saturday.

You just made it.

45 minutes ago. I didn't. I just got it in. Not before the announcement.

The perils of mail and voting.

Before they named the finalists. Got it. And Michael Pennex is who I would have voted for. And I voted Marvin Harrison number three.

Because- Junior, not the third.

Because.

Daniel's- Masarati Marv.

Because Daniel's did a lot in games against bad teams, and they lost a lot. And it's not his fault that the defense wasn't any good. He averaged 10 yards of play, but Pennex, they're undefeated. He's an amazing story, and he was also great. Jordan Travis is clearly the most valuable player.

In the score. A tremendous player.

Incredible- Literally, most valuable.

Jaden Daniel's incredible offensive output. That's not necessarily what the award is for, not the most outstanding offensive output. I do think when compared to some of the more recent ones, this might be one of the more forgettable, in retrospect, Heisman trophies winners. I'm not out here to bury the kid. It was just an odd choice for an LSU team that despite their win-loss record, voters kept ranking pretty highly. It's a weird one. And I think that these finalists at this Heisman Trophy presentation shows us this whole new world. Now, most recent Heisman winners have all been transfers. Those players that are going to New York are often the byproduct of transfers, but even more so with the portal, all of them outside of Jordan... Well, no, Jordan Travis was also a transfer, weren't he? Yeah. So all these players, this is the new reality of college football. All these players played somewhere previously and will have complicated legacies in that they played in other places. Do you remember? I had to be reminded. I know that Jaden Daniels was a transfer, but I didn't know where he transferred from. Then I was reminded it was Arizona State.

I thought about this video that thankfully went viral yet again of a couple of years ago where Arizona State Sun Devil Players, this was during the Herme Edwards tenure. Herme Edwards actually recruited quite well. It was an IUK also part of that team. They had a lot of good players over there. But there was this video of inside the Sun Devil locker room, players clearing out the locker of a quarterback. And it was only until this week that I was reminded that quarterback that they were clearing out the locker for was this year's Heisman Trophy winner, Jaden Daniels. And listen to the editorial from these players as it goes on.

I can't do it. I can't do it. I'm just looking. I can't look. I'm just looking. I'm just looking. I'm just looking. I'm just looking. I'm just looking. He out of his. He out of his mouth. He out of his mouth. He out anyway.

Jaden Daniels. He sucks, anyways. We're glad to lose him. Two years later, Heisman Trophy winner.

Jaden Daniels has had such an interesting career because like you said, he had a really rough go after the COVID season. Arizona State was one of those teams that I can't even remember how many games I ended up playing that year in 2020, but it was less than 10, fewer than 10, I want to say. And then the following year had just a very just not great year, transferred to LSU, played a lot better his first year at LSU. And then this year, just his numbers, he put up monster numbers. And I think totally is deserving of being the most outstanding player in college football. And I do also think, like Brian Kelly, how did you lose three games with the Heisman Trophy winner as your quarterback. Like that? Come on, man. If you just have a slightly better defense, right? You have to be in the SEC Championship. I know he got hurt in the Alabama game, and that ended up being probably the biggest game of the year for them. And that stinks. But oh, my God. Dude, come on, get it together. Heisman Trophy winning quarterback, nine.

And three. You say that, but at LSU, the one I remember is that Ben Simmons went to LSU was clearly a great player, and I don't think they made the NIT. I don't think- They did it. -or they lost in the NIT and it didn't make any sense to me. Same thing happened to Fultz.

At.

Washington, where he was great and they didn't win very many games, and it was confusing to me.

When I say one of the more forgettable in recent memory, Heisman Trophy winners, I mean, it's an oxymoron. You're remembered for history as a Heisman Trophy winner, but you are reminded during these broadcasts of people that you might have forgotten about. Look, my school has one of these maybe more forgettable Heisman Trophy winners. We were all reminded of that Heisman Trophy winner when he stood next to Desmond Howard. There was just one year in age difference between Desmond Howard and Gino Torretta.

What? One year? Well, they won the Heisman one year apart. Right. Yeah, there may be more of a gap in actual age.

Jeremy, look that up for us, please.

One year apart, Heisman.

Trophy winners. How old is Desmond Howard and how old is Gino Toretta? Because that is startling that they are one year apart. I'm hoping, Mike Ryan, that Desmond won it earlier. Did you know you're earlier? Yes, I'm hoping that the math goes that way. Jeremy, look that up for us, please.

Already got it, Dan. Let me illuminate you on this one. They're the same age, 53.

Years old. That's amazing. That's amazing.

Okay, but who won the Heisman in what order? Because I'm hoping that Desmond won it. Please look that up for me. I'm still hoping for an answer to my question.

Yeah, you got to, Dan. Desmond's older by three months.

Again, who won the Heisman first? That's all.

I was asking, yes.

But Desmond being older is fun. Didn't Desmond at.

First because they're in line based off of oldest to new. Don't they do that at the Heisman? Thank you. I didn't watch it. I watched Killers of the flower, Moon Saturday night. Nice. Didn't take an intermission, but at one point I just looked at my phone and I was like, Huh, J.

N. Daniels won the high school.

I'm living in the moment. Desmond Howard won the year before Gino Toretta. Yeah, that's not a great look.

I feel like I got it right. I got it right. You did.

Yeah, Desmond.

It's even funnier.

Desmond Howard won in 1991. Jeno Toretta won in 1992. Ha!

You brought it out. That proves the point. The fact that Jess didn't watch it, like Jess is as into college football as anybody, it proves that this is just like an interesting Heisman ceremony.

This year. There's been a lot of argument and disagreement among college football media and about the Heisman and about what it awards and who it favors and all of these different things and how it's not really a great measure of the most outstanding player in college football because an offensive tackle will never win it and a tight end will never win it. And you have to play one of the three positions on offense probably to ever win it. Rarely will a defender be a finalist, right? And so I get that. And you can just argue about it and decide how much you want to put in it. It's still a nice ceremony. I think it's still a great award for whoever wins it, and it matters. It really matters to players still. It does. I don't want to completely discount it. I know a lot of people do now. But yeah, this year was, I think, a particularly weird year because you had one of the... Jaden Daniels finished with 50 touchdowns and 5,000 yards. These unbelievable stats. He was deserving. His team was not a team that we talked about in the final month of football because they already lost two games.

Next year, when we have a 12-team playoff, LSU will be seated. I don't know, at nine and three, they might be on the bubble, but they might be seated in the bottom half of the 12-team bracket, depending on how they stack up against the rest of the field. And maybe they'll do a deep playoff run and it will be a team that you still talk about, despite the fact that they lost in week one. So we wrote them off already because that's how the 14th playoff has made us think about football, which I think sucks.

Next year it will be you don't want to face Jaden Daniels in the college football playoff.

But you do want to play against LSU's defense.

What's that? Gino looked old when he won.

He did. He's got to be 40 here, no? Yeah.

Gino Torretta has always looked like a 45-year-old man.

What did you guys think of Michael Pennex's suit? Because I have a theory that I want to float by the class and see what you think. His suit, for those of you who don't know the lining on the inside, had the names of all his teammates and all his coaches, so everybody was part of this whole moment for him and all his stuff. Very nice. Very nice. Now, I feel like if he would have announced that that was the case or shown people his suit before the voting had wrapped, he would have won the Heisman. He would have got more votes. Because sports riders and voters love that crap. Love it. I do. I feel like if he would have just shown people that suit, the Heisman would have been his.

I love that idea. Michael, can you please just literally wear your heart on your sleeve?

Also back to LSU for one second. According to Bill Connolly's S&P+ metric, which ranks teams on offense, defense, and special teams, LSU finished with the number two offense in college football and the number 56 ranked defense.

I want to run an idea by it since we're talking about all these guys who are transferring in college. Why stop? Why not just let it go all the way out there? Here's the idea I have for you. It's a playoff portal. Now imagine, okay, last week if Arch Manning says, I am leaving Texas and I am going to Florida State, right after the regular season is done. It's a special playoff portal.

I heard this on God. Don't you think F. S. U. Gets in? I heard this on GodBless Football. You guys should check that out this morning. Stugat's goes very hard at this idea on GodBless Football this morning.

Yeah, but you're not on God-Blessed Football. I wanted to run the idea by you because I happen to love the idea, a playoff portal.

It's essentially a trade deadline, Dan, where people can transfer teams while their team is in the playoffs.

That's why the award-winning GodBless Football comes out before anybody does around here, and you should listen to Stugatz's thoughts on that there instead of getting them preheated here.

Yeah, but we can't get your thoughts there. I mean, we can if you want to come on.

You could. I was just in the other room. Do you want to come on this week? I heard you doing it, and I didn't want to do it again. I have a.

Segment for you this week. Would you like to come on? I do. I'd be happy to. It's called Would You Be Shocked?

I'd be happy to do more of your work for you.

Answer the question. If Texas's third-string quarterback played for Florida State, would they be in the.

Playoff, Dan? That would be- That's the question.

You were listening. That was the.

Exact example.

You can listen to a Godless Football, which is a different podcast that isn't this one.

From a hype perspective, though, I think they're in.

I'm the same. But, Dan?

You can get Stugatza's exclusive thoughts on this matter before our show comes out. I prefer not to do that here. I heard you already doing it there. We're doing enough of this stuff to not have it be redundant with you recycling shit you've done elsewhere. First and better on God bless football.

What if the Mannings have to adopt Jordan Travis as their nephew? Whoa.

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