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I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.

I've done it. And now here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face and the habitual liar. I hate what happens to college football. The second the NFL kicks off, we forget about it.

I was going to say the Cane.

I'm not letting this show forget about what happened to the Miami Hurricane this week.

I would like to you know who's happy about the Kim Ang news? The Hurricanes.

Because we just did ten minutes on it. I'm not letting them off the hook. I am not. Roy, you were unhappy. Obviously you love the canes.

Yeah, absolutely.

They looked you didn't know that, Jess? I mean, Jess, you love every team. What are you doing? What are you doing?

I didn't know you liked the Canes, Roy.

Yes.

I'm a Hurricanes fan with the FIU.

I want to bring some balance to this chair.

Yes.

This team is just an average college football team. Right?

Yeah. Well, he's lost the team. Mario has lost.

My team did not lose.

I'm telling you, though, Kane fans have this persecution complex like they are hated by the NCAA. They're built up anytime that, um, starts four and O against a crappy, everyone wants the good.

Yeah.

Other teams in the ACC have to work way harder to be ranked than agree Miami. Miami is gift wrapped. It rankings as soon as they start any season four and they find a way to blow it every year. Hold on, we go back over the last ten years. They've probably lost to every ACC team.

At some point, right.

It's not like they just lose to the same one every year. They've lost to all of them. Virginia. Virginia Tech. Clemson. Georgia Tech. It's just a different team every year. I'm just so over. This team is just an average college football team.

They're a little above average.

That's it.

They're a little above average.

I'm not certain, Tony.

A good win against Texas A and M like that's a solid.

Texas A and M is not very good.

Is in an existential crisis.

They're a solid team.

No, they're not going to have their 6th. Jimbo Fisher has been there for six years. He is not going to get ten wins for the 6th year in a row this year.

Right.

And his buyout if he gets fired before December 1 is $77 million. They are stuck with him.

How's he feel about that?

Texas A and M is in existential crisis mode right now.

Again, solid team, though.

It's a good win for miami, don't get me wrong, but it's not like, oh, wow, they beat Texas a m SEC west juggernaut like no, texas a m has major issues.

They lost to Georgia Tech.

Tony, again, if they knee, we don't even talk about it's.

Just like the San Francisco no, we do.

If moody hits the field goal, we.

Don'T talk about no, but that's what right there, that moment, that's where he lost the team. When you ask your guys, lift more, sprint more, do the extras, work hard, work harder, and then you in the moment have a chance to control the outcome of a game and you take a poop all over yourself. You lose your team, they stop trusting you. They don't play as hard for you. He lost his team. He's not a good coach. Billy said it correctly last week. He was fired by FIU.

Tony is mad because he had hurricanes. I had the haters parlay USC moneyline. The haters parlay against me and Taylor and lost both legs.

I had overs in both games.

But he picked the wrong team. So he's just hating on that. That's all he's mad about.

I was at Lewis's house and we were like, all right, let's throw some money on the games. And then we were watching the keynes game in the USC game. We're like, you know, went, let's just do a haters parlay. That way Jess and Taylor are not happy when we get there and we're then, you know, I saw that the.

Wives were at a concert, so a little guys night. Yeah, little boys night while the women are out playing.

Right? Love that. Yeah. What concert?

Jonas brothers.

Really?

Me too. I went to the Jonas brothers concert instead of watching the keynes UNC game.

What?

It was amazing.

Well, you also don't have a college football seem to watch because UCF is one of the only they want to buy in the country. Who hasn't beaten a powerful they want to buy this.

They want to buy.

They do seem like they put on a fun show.

Wait, but Tony, can I ask you a question? Whose idea was the Jonas brothers concert?

My wife is when I tell you a Jonas fans fanatic, she knows every word to every song that's ever been put up by the Jonas brothers.

Right. But did you see them on some sort of schedule? They were coming down here and said, this is a perfect night. I'll get my wife tickets to this so I could have a guy's night. Only luckily, because I'm telling you, 20 years from now, that's what you'll start doing. You will look at the hard rock live band mean. You'll project it out like six months to see where you can get your wife tickets so she can get out of the do.

Luckily, she was on top of it. So it's like, hey, look, remember this day. I have the Jonas brothers and Lewis's wife was also a part of her group that was going so me and Lewis are like, oh, perfect boys night.

I've got you buying your wife tickets like Billy Crystal. And she's just like, I don't like Billy Crystal. It's like you do now, Notre Dame USC plays tonight. You're going to Billy Crystal.

How much money I spent on these?

Billy Crystal?

He still does that.

Why Billy he does it.

He does like one man show. I'm telling you. Adnan went to go see him a few months back.

Get out of here.

Telling you what, is he still doing stuff?

Maybe it's brought storytelling, probably, right?

It's like some like one man show.

But what is a one man show?

Everyone's got a one man show these days.

I'm just trying to find a random show that you could send your wife to, right?

Billy Crystal.

Devil's Advocate.

Paul Ryan.

Maybe Miami is not that bad.

They're bad.

Maybe North Carolina is just really, really good because they had an incredible third and fourth quarter. The beginning of the game was pretty close. And I will say the thing about Mario is not that he's a bad coach. It's that he's a bad game. He doesn't he does not know how to finish games. He doesn't know how to manage the clock.

You have to know how to take a knee.

He's a good recruiter, bad coach.

That is part of coaching that is not like necessarily the entire you would obviously rather have someone that can no these things.

I would say it's the most important part of coaching. When you have the opportunity to affect the outcome of a game, when you're asking your players to do all this work, and then you finally have that moment where you could affect the outcome and you don't do what every other coach would do, which is take and eat, and then you have your players cursing on national TV. What the bleep are we like? That's the most important part of coaching. The players want to know they could trust you to make the right decisions when you have to make that decision.

That was an unsportsman, like conduct on the assistant coach that gave North Carolina automatic first down on the goal line.

Pivotal moment in the game, too. He was like their defense. He was like at the half field.

He was like Eric's Boscher trying to call a timeout.

And I'm done being the devil's advocate, by the way. Miami sticks.

Just ask Taylor, though. Just ask Taylor. The UNC linebackers have sneaky depth. If you go look at the last.

Three weeks, that's how it sounds.

Should we actually ask Taylor?

Taylor does these recaps where he's clearly reading and he's always like, the last three?

What are you doing to my boy?

The linebackers have just because they beat us so I'm trying to talk shit. That's all I have at this point.

Look, the Canes were up 1714 at half okay.

It was a good first half, good win.

And then at the second half, things fell apart. They had some costly turnovers that were very untimely and things just got out of hand.

That's all it was.

Mike was there.

Mike was there. He was there.

Not for long.

Yeah. Now he's in California.

Did he leave early?

That's what I heard.

Lucy left the Colorado game early.

That one made sense.

That's inexplicable 29 nothing halftime.

If you're mad at Lucy for leaving that game at halftime, prove that you are awake. Prove that you stayed up and watched the second half because the second half started, like after midnight eastern 90% of this country was asleep. Do not pretend like you stayed up and watched it.

She told me that people were calling her Lou Gotts on Twitter.

Yeah. I think Dan might have started that.

Well. I mean, I left game six of the NBA finals before Ray Allen shot. I regret it till this day.

There's like this thing that happens when you start working here where everyone else's stink rubs off on you. Certainly happened to me. Definitely happened to Jerbert. No offense to everyone else.

Thanks.

It is a thing that happens and now it's happened to Lucy.

Well, how did it happen to you?

I don't know. I used to think like, oh, wow, I'm good at this.

I used to be happy.

I like sports.

I'm happy.

And now every time I watch a sporting event, I'm like, how is this going to blow up in my face?

There was a loose ball.

I'm sorry, but I used to think I was good at this. It's such a great response.

I have zero confidence every day.

Zero confidence. I got to be honest with you guys. I don't like how I look in this screen. I have no confidence. I don't.

In our workplace.

No.

It is Dan's fault in our workplace. What is the equivalent of a loose fumble? Because I was thinking yesterday when there was a fumble, I forget which game it was, but there was a fumble.

Yes.

And the chaos that ensues during a fumble of just I'm going to throw my entire body at your knee. You know what I mean? Where it's just like I am so scared anytime there's a fumble and I.

Feel mispronouncing a word.

I feel like every profession has their fumble moments, but it's just like what is it in your profession where we all pound goofy.

Yeah. Yes.

I was going to say, so mad.

At me for that stovetop.

Yeah, the stovetop. I guess in our industry, it's a catastrophic mistake. Live.

Right.

And it was just like I was just thinking, like at a restaurant when the waiter or waitress completely forgets to put one table's order in and then like a half hour later, the table's.

Waiting when we went out to dinner.

And there's got to be this frantic moment of panic in the chris Cody's food. Yes, exactly.

Oh, diamond Dallas page.

There you go. That's another example. Whenever he joins, I just want to find in other industries what's your fumble moment. So, hey, tweet at the show. Tweet at the levitard show, whatever. You did your fumble moment at work. Because we all have commercial we all.

Have one smash that subscribe button.

I don't know if it's mispronouncing words, though. Do you guys all agree that's our.

False be I think it's more where.

We mispronounce a word and everyone's like ball. Exactly.

Everybody jumps on you.

I guess you're right.

That's more like when someone mispronounced you know how when there's an offense alignment that jumps a false start and all seven defense alignment point at the guy, that's when someone stumbles on a word.

Walk across the line, they're like, this.

Guy right here, this guy.

Well, Chris was telling me earlier this morning that that's how we'd like to approach this week, where if one of us makes a mistake, we all just point it.

I also think defenses could plan out the point and trick officials. I think if we decided, all right, on this play, at the six second mark on the play clock, let's all.

Point at the everyone point at the tackle.

The old man standing on the silence, he'd be like, shit, I missed something. He's just going to throw his flag.

But there's a God in every line. He's going to point at the wrong guy. I mean, there is there's one guy.

Just like pointing at the corner.

Everybody's pointing at the back.

I'm like, wait, what? Wait. Jeremy, I have never seen you so excited about something so ridiculous.

No, this is innovation. This is spectacular. Because I think everyone's always in football looking for the little edge, the one play that can make the difference. You guys were just talking about the play where the Keynes coach ran out into the middle of the field and it ultimately cost them the game. So one penalty, right? One penalty can change the game.

If we're on save it for late in the game.

You're in the quarter, like eight minutes left. You're up by seven on the defensive side.

We're all going to point.

It's seven, third and three. It's third and three pointing, 7 seconds left on the play clock. Everybody point at the center. Just everybody point at the center.

Ten, nine, eight, seven right there. I love the point.

It's amazing. I really hope that the Dolphins bring this into their repertoire. I hope they're listening this morning.

They don't have to.

The defense might.

They're overwhelming. They really are, man. I know it's fun to watch. Like, I'm a Jet fan and I'm sitting here telling you I want to watch the Dolphins every Sunday because the offense is so beautiful to watch.

They're one of the only that you can actually want to watch the whole game of just them. Because I can't find myself watching full football games of one team. At this point, I get so bored. And so at this point, I can watch Chiefs. Yeah, but it's kind of worn off at this point. Like, I get it.

All right.

Patrick Mahomes is amazing. So this is like the new thing where I do want to watch every single play of the Dolphins. And it's the first time in my life that I've ever wanted to do that with my own team. That part is so fun. This would be a team that you'd be wanting to tune in and watch, no matter who they were. We're just really lucky that we're going through one of those phases down here where we have the most entertaining team in football.

And our coach, he's the fun guy at the press conference, and he's the genius. Usually those aren't the same guy, right? Usually it's like your wacky press conference guy or your genius guy.

And he could scoot. I'm confused.

He wears cool clothes, glasses. Is he cool?

Well, he's cool at five and one.

He's got pieces of being cool. Five and one team. Great offense.

The way he just walks around his team. You know that thing the coaches do when they're all stretching, where you just walk around, man, give him slap.

Would you find that cool at one in five?

No, the gimmicks and the antics look.

Much cooler at five and one than.

They do if everything does. Yeah.

He stopped the press conference the other day just to point out someone's shoes. He's like, oh, whoa. Hey, everyone stop. Those are nice shoes there.

And I'm just like, how good did that reporter feel?

I know. I don't know. Who was it? Let's get him on.

Should find out. Was it your dad?

You brought it up.

It's definitely not my dad. I just saw his point of view. I didn't see who the reporter was.

By the way, I mentioned earlier that Billy's at jury duty. Would you guys want if you, god forbid, you committed a crime and you were on trial, would you want Billy on that jury?

So guilty. I'd be so guilty. I am going straight to jail.

He'd be like, Can I ask a question? And then it would just be not about the trial. He'd be like, when's the last time you went to Denny's?

It'll be like, Twelve Angry Men.

And everybody's angry at Billy.

The jury deliberations would be forever.

And you'd be like, Billy, God, please stop.

He'd be like, guilty.

Jury of my peers. I'm sitting there at the Tony.

He would pay to be on your jury.

Here's the thing. They would trot out all the juries, right?

And I'm like, okay, all right, I got a good shot here. Got a good shot here. And then Billy walks into the last.

Juror, and I'm like, oh, my God.

He's like, how long is this going to last? I want to help here.

But I got all the other jurors have Tony innocent, and Billy's like, I'll stand here till the end of time until someone else tells me he's guilty.

Then they call me guilty. And then Billy kind of looks at.

Me and does one of those.

Boiled.

Again as they're walking you off to.

Prison, he's like, I got you.

Last one.

Classic billy evil cat.

Don Lebotard.

All the cruise ships go out at like, 05:00 p.m., and it's like a parade of cruise ships, and they're all blowing the horns like burr. And there's all these people outside because it's like.

It sounds like an old.

I thought it was more like, oh.

My God, do it again.

Limited fake cruise ship horn stugats.

Really good. I'm waving.

This is the Don Levitar show with the stugats. Hey, Chris. How you doing, buddy?

Well, thank you for joining us.

Of course. We are going on, guys.

We're going to football the shit out of this.

Goggin. Football so damn hard. I just want to football. It's like a really not shocking development. I don't know how it took this long, though. I've realized that Jess and I are basically the same football watching Notre Dame fan. And so she's become an outlet for all of my worst thoughts during every Notre Dame game. Our tech stream is a nightmare.

Unhinged.

Honestly, it's so necessary because it keeps me from tweeting any of these things. I wouldn't be able to show my face around the university anymore.

Dude, I fired the coaching staff, like, four times this season over text, and then the next day rewatch the highlights and be like, all right, it wasn't that bad, Dan.

I was actually pretty good today. Feeling good about that.

We should get 30, but otherwise we're not that bad.

You have fired Marcus Freeman four times this year.

Not Mark.

I am wearing my via text.

I'm wearing my high Marcus Barbie sweater today. I am fully on board the Marcus Freeman bandwagon. Always have been, always will be. I have not fired him a single time over text.

Right. Had they lost to USC, would you be wearing that sweatshirt today?

Of course not. This is a we just won sweatshirts. Tail tucked between my legs.

Do you have that in your closet, like, sectioned off.

We just lost.

We just won.

I have all my Notre Dame stuff. We just won. Or like, there's a huge women's basketball game tonight section, and that's the only time I wear that.

Wait, time out. Kojo. Go, Joe. Go, Joe. Slow down.

Kojo.

Kojo. It was weird.

Wow.

Because I was trying to say Chris chris was asking that of Jess, and you said yes. You actually have that in your closet?

Oh, I mean, I'm sure I'm just like, jess, I have my sectioned off. Here's my pile of Notre Dame stuff that obviously I'm only going to wear out in public if we're winning and good. Yeah.

Doesn't everyone no, you should.

I don't want to get made fun of on this show for wearing my Marcus Freeman shirt after we lost with ten men on the field against Ohio State.

Right.

I'm saving this for when we beat USC. The number one offense in the country at home by a crap ton of points to God. That's what this sweatshirt is for.

I don't have a jets wind side of my just it doesn't exist.

That sounds like you guys problem.

It is. Gojo. Gojo. I want you to hear Chris's take on the Kelsey's because he is tired of all things Kelsey. I want to get your thoughts on this. He's tired of the kids. I mean, he's tired of everyone.

You're painting this too broad. I'm not saying everyone is kind of tired of Travis Kelsey right now. I feel like Jason Kelsey is getting this condescending take from all these people of he's the one I like. I don't like Travis. I'm going to be the trendy one and like Jason, and I like Jason too. This is not a knock on Jason. This is a knock on just society wanting to condescend towards don't condescend Jason Kelsey. I don't believe all of you people.

Well, people have fallen in love with.

Just feel like people are going too far with that, and it's becoming condescending.

This is the most deeply online approach to this situation because Chris is responding to the people on the Internet that he believes are disingenuous Jason Kelsey fans. Do I have that right? You believe that's, right? It's like The Bachelor. They're here for the wrong reasons with yes, exactly.

It's just like, I don't know what's going on with Taylor and Travis, so I can't like that. What can I do? His brother, he's got a beard. I like him. He's the one.

Kid he is husky and trustworthy. I mean, he does have that going.

And they play this note on their podcast of him bringing his kids over and Uncle Travi, and it is just so God darn endearing. And I love them, but it's like they're tricking me. It's like, this is my move. I do this on the Greg Cody show. I bring my kid over and he talks. She talks to the grandpa. It's like, you're stealing my move.

Check out the that's what? You're jealous of bid infringement here. It's not anything to do with that. You just believe they're stealing material from you.

I pander. I pander and I'm sick of.

I was see, I was getting ready. I thought the buildup was you were about to take a flamethrower to the kids.

No go, Joe.

Oh, well, I can see AJ. Brown's pink shoes from here. I don't need a kid to tell me that. But no, the real enemy for you is Donna. Okay. Interesting.

Gojo. If we just laid out and let him keep going, he would have taken out the kids. I mean, he was going there that's where he was, Chris. You were going to take out the kids.

It's really the people. It's the condescending. I feel like they're lying. I don't feel like you like Jason Kelsey as much as you say.

He has very welcoming eyebrows.

He does. He's relatable.

You want to do like a you like Jason Kelsey name five of his albums thing, right?

Oh, Jason Kelsey hipster. I like this as a character for you, Chris.

It's like a contrarian take for fans that want to be part of the Kelsey magic, but they feel like being on the Travis Bandwagon is, like, too popular.

I got it. If you want to be on the Jason Kelsey bandwagon, you need to know how he dressed for his Super Bowl celebration. You need to tell me what color his outfit was. If you don't know yeah, you know it, Tony, because you're a diehard and you've been in this game. I'm talking to the people. I'm talking about the people.

Who are you talking I'm talking about this, Chris.

But come lately.

I would say, though, that was the Kelsey documentary. So you're going to have to find a different point there because they went back to the Mummers outfit in that documentary. They showed the speech. So I do feel like a lot of the new fans and listen, there's also going to be, like, a lot of the crossover. I know you're out in the Travis and Taylor conversation, everything that's become but the Swifties have been consuming this content at an alarming rate. Right now. They're trying to find any Travis stuff they can get. So there's a whole new army of people that are new Jason Kelsey fans who are going to know that speech from the Super Bowl by heart now, and probably have I guarantee there's going to be, at least when the European leg of Taylor Swift's Tour starts, there's going to be, at least in any given crowd, five people dressed as Jason Kelsey. Not even Travis Kelsey. There's going to be people dressed as Jason Kelsey at the Eagle Super Bowl parade at a Taylor Swift concert in, like, Munich, Germany.

Bunch of Jason come lately.

Why are you so unhinged today, man?

I don't just it's it's like I said, you keep trying to river, you're right.

I'm sorry.

You keep trying to position this like, this is me going at the Kelsey's. This is not this is me going at the protecting I'm protecting Jason.

You're doing good by Jason.

I really do feel like I am.

Right, okay. Because who you're yelling at is my wife. I mean, my wife is that person.

Exactly.

She has Kelsey.

She has no clue what he dressed up as for that Super Bowl celebration.

You want to call her.

People have been doing this in fandom forever, though, right? Like, these are the people who are like, oh, Ringo was my favorite Beatle. Like, come on, what are we doing right?

You're lying. Yeah.

Like come oh, you're so one.

No one thinks Ringo is their favorite Beatle. Nobody. I'm saying it's Lenin or McCartney and that's it right? There's some George Harrison people. No, there's not. No one likes I don't even know who he is.

All right, well, my sweet Lord, wow.

Gojo, follow me down this path on college football. You and I have discussed this before, okay? The regular season, like college football, has it down perfectly where the regular season feels like a playoff, right. And four teams make it to the postseason. So you have a game this weekend like Oregon and Washington, you have a game coming up this weekend, penn State and Ohio State, those are de facto playoff games, okay? And you lose the juice when it becomes a twelve team playoff. Right? Now it's four, next year it goes to twelve because that Washington Oregon game, as exciting as it was gojo, it wouldn't matter as much because both teams are going to get in next year. And so you lose some of the juice with some of these great regular season games. Ohio State, Michigan, that game is going to lose some juice once you get to a twelve game playoff because they're both going to get in regardless of who wins the game, loses the game. And so I kind of don't like where college football is headed. And where we're headed is to a twelve team playoff because I think they have the regular season down perfectly.

Honestly, I think we overblow all this stuff in the packaging of the sport with the playoff teams. Like you look at this weekend, stuart, the biggest difference would have been and look, I'm not going to just use this selfishly to continue to spread Notre Dame propaganda for me and Jess, but that game in South Bend mattered a lot. This weekend had no playoff implications for Notre Dame fans because they were already out of it. That mattered a lot. You crash landed into that game and their fireworks going off after everybody's celebrating like rock stars because that game still mattered and because it was a quality performance by their team. Yeah, it knocked USC potentially out of playoff contention, but even them with one loss, they're still technically in it right now, but that didn't matter. The Washington Oregon game, I was on the call for that game on radio, and I promise none of the reason anybody had a good time in that stadium or watching was because of the playoff. It's because you knew you had two quality teams who went out there and lived up to the billing.

Mike, my question about the Washington Oregon game is I mean, the question that I think a lot of Oregon fans are probably asking this morning, which is, is Dan Lanning too aggressive on fourth down? It cost them last year. It maybe cost them this game. He said after the game he kind of regretted. Not kicking a field goal before halftime, and that was like, the one that he kind of wished he had back. But where do you stand on all of this? And is this just basically following in the footsteps of the existential crisis happening in the NFL with analytics right now, too?

Yeah, it's the perfect opportunity, I think, to shift the conversation around that. We spend way too much time focusing on should we go for it or not, and not like, let's talk about the play calls in those spots, designed obvious rollouts that Washington was clearly ready for both times. I have no problem with a coach being hyper aggressive. I appreciate Dan being willing to criticize himself, but I had a lot less issue with him being aggressive in those spots because he's consistent with it versus what they actually decided to do with the resources they had in those spots. Trying to have something better drawn up for that moment, because if you know you're going to push the bounds, especially once you go for it at the end of the first half like that, you know you're in that mode. The team. All I care about as a player is knowing, all right, I know what to expect from my coach here. I know what we're going to do when we get into these situations, so I'm not surprised by it. And as long as everybody's on the same page like that, the Go decision to me, is a lot less important than what you do once you're there.

Mike, I think those were two of the four best teams I've seen this year. I don't think both are going to get into the playoff, but I think both should get into the playoff. What do you think?

I think they're both playoff caliber teams. And the best part is, because of the way most college football conferences are structured now, we got a good chance to have that be the PacTool Championship game again. Like, there's a good chance we get to see them play. And we know in the past, if you're Oregon and you believed, hey, we looked like the better team for the majority of that game and gave up the goods at the end. If you erase that loss, human committee usually could say, well, you lost in the regular season, but you erased that loss in the postseason, in the conference championship game. And if that was your only loss, then, hey, we can probably consider you one of the best four teams. And based on how things shake out, that would give you a pretty good opportunity. But yeah, Oregon shouldn't have dropped very much off that. They looked incredible in that game. Both teams are exactly who we thought they were in that game, and it's sad. We've beaten this drum plenty. But the fact that this is happening in the Pac Twelve's final year of existence, where you have these teams performing this well and drawing this much attention.

But, yeah, I think not only those are two of the best teams in college football Stu Gottz, but they're probably the only two teams in the Pac twelve with a real shot of making it out. We thought going into this season, USC might be a live dog in that, but that defense has been hanging on for dear life and it's finally affected the offense enough in the last couple of weeks for a loss. And Utah without Cam rising's, really been just unfortunately not enough to complement what's a championship caliber defense in Utah.

We can all agree that he brought the big Phoenix energy.

He brought the big Penix penis energy. He was just saying penis, right?

Yeah, he was 100%. He changed his name for sure.

It was kind of awkward.

I didn't like that in front of Lee Gorson. That is the Pat McAfee a full effect right there, folks. That would never have happened two years ago.

Gojo, did Pennix win the Heisman trophy over the weekend?

Yeah, I mean, put some distance right now. They keep this because the offense isn't going to stop doing that. There's nobody else. I think the Utah game might be a little bit of that, but no, they're going to keep shredding like this in front of everybody else. He's got a lot of positive momentum coming off last year, which tends to matter with this award. You've got your best performance in a big game where everybody was watching and Stu got you guys all know this so much of the a get ready to put my douche hat on here. As a Heisman voter can tell you that having plenty of those opportunities down the stretch in big games to have the quote, unquote Heisman moment after the yeah, baby. Yeah, baby. Cannot help it. Sorry. It's the Stu Got school of broadcasting in me. But no, he's got plenty I apologize for it coming up that he's going to have opportunities to cement that. So, yeah, right now he's the clear front runner. It looks incredible.

All right. More Gojo.

Next, Don Lebotard. I read his lips and it sounded like he was saying, what? You want to fight me now?

But I'm telling you, if you look, we can play a game right now. The lips look the same on fight you and failure. Watch my lips. I'm going to turn off my mic.

No, I got.

And I want you guys to tell me if I'm saying fight you or failure.

Okay? Yeah.

Still got why are your ideas always so bad for the podcast?

Here we go.

Do it again.

Fight you. Fight.

Maybe you can't tell.

Oh, my God. We got to the bottom of it. This is the Don Levitar show with the stu guts.

All right, we're back with Gojo. He's going to be doing something with Levitard and Mike Riot out in California tomorrow on tomorrow's show. He's with us today. We didn't have to travel to California to get Gojo on the show, thankfully. Thank you for not making us do that.

We want you to sabotage that tomorrow. If you could maybe just when they bring you on, don't talk.

Oh, silent protest. That would make sense. Because it feels only right that the only time Dan would associate with me is when he's forced to by being in the same city as me. Otherwise none of this would ever happen.

I noticed that, too.

Tell us how you really feel, Gojo.

Tell me how Dan really feels. That's become abundantly clear.

Totally fair.

Would Dan associate with any of us.

If we didn't live in Miami?

There's a reason we're here.

Yeah, that's a fair point.

He didn't ask any of us.

He wants to hang out with Danny.

I think he just wants to hang out with Mike.

I mean, I went to an Ivy League in the Midwest school. I don't know what more I need to do for him.

Gojo, were you surprised your defense your defense was able to do that to USC's offense?

Do that? Yes. I knew our defense was good.

Right.

They have absolutely been the strength of this team, which has run counter to what everyone expected when Sam Hartman comes over and is being hot all over Notre Dame's campus. But the defense has kept them in all of the games this season and been the strength of this team going back to last year. But my God, I did not. Xavier Watts. Build him a statue. That kid went off and doing it wearing zero. What a legend. This is the college football world I have always wanted to live in. Xavier Watts for heisman. Get that kid up for the award. One man wrecking crew.

Jess, why are you cheering him?

Mean? Xavier Watts had maybe the best defensive performance from any single Notre Dame player in history against Caleb Williams, the Heisman Trophy winner coming into South Bend for a rivalry game. Undefeated season on the line, dude caught two interceptions, tackles for loss, defensive stops, scoop and score. It was unbelievable. He was all over the field and I'm with Mike. Sam Hartman was the flashy name coming into the season. But the defense is so good. They are solid when they have eleven men on the field. And Sam Hartman immortalized himself with Notre Dame fans after the game. Doing the opposite of the upside down you, but for us, like the opposite. The downward fight on thing, I don't know what we're calling it. Fight off. Something like that. Doing it in front of the fans, it was Chef's kid.

I don't like what's happening.

Jess, fight off is great for that. I've never had a term for it. It's my favorite thing to do because we don't have a horns down in South Bend. But fight off doing this is the coolest feeling I had as a player. We beat Southern Cal to go to the title my last year and walking around the Coliseum and just doing this to random USC fans did not look nearly as good as when Sam Hartman did it. Hubba hubba. That was incredible.

But look, I love a good lazy.

River, but I don't like where this river has taken us right now. I don't know.

That'S. Also, get out of the river then.

Listen, your mistakes aren't my fault, Tony.

It's just gotten to a weird point.

Now where they're just going back, walking.

Back, notre Dame stuff, guys trying to walk backwards up the river.

So what is it, two fingers down? Is that what they do? Is that the deal? Right? One finger for each loss, fight off. That's why Notre Dame fans want the twelve team playoff, because you'll be ranked like 10th, 11th or twelveTH and you'll get in. That's the reason Notre Dame will make.

It every single year.

They're going to make it every year.

And it won't matter what the record, right?

I hope so. That would be great.

Well, you will make it. No, I mean they'll be incentivized to want you to.

Going back to your original point, that would have been a playoff game last night or Saturday night in South Bend. Like you're talking about the negative effects of this. I think all those other games still matter because individual rivalries and big games still matter in general. But now you'd have Notre Dame SC with playoff implications for both sides if you're in a twelve team playoff this year. That's the whole point of this.

I guess that's fair.

Definitely expands the amount of games that do matter in terms of playoff expectations. Not that matter to fans, because I think if you're a fan, all of the games matter. Like winning ten games versus winning nine games feels different when you're a college football fan, even if you're not making the playoff either time. My only issue with the twelve game playoff, not that anyone asked, is that I did ask. I don't like that we what are your issues with four to twelve? Like we didn't test out like maybe a six or an eight somewhere in between.

Right.

Because it is a lot.

Maybe a seven.

Mike, you played college football. The stretch of games at the end of the season are really hard, like in November, and then you're tacking on potentially like two or three more games to that than you would already have to play. If you're a player and you have to play in all the rounds of the playoff, it's just a lot to ask. College players, who we obviously have talked extensively about the fact that they're not compensated for playing by the universities.

Yeah, that part is going to be really interesting because it used to like when we played in the BCS, you had 40 something days in between conference championship weekend and the national title, and Alabama Nick Saban used to be great at getting everybody healthy for that. Now I'll be interested, especially in those early rounds, the caliber of football we're going to see even from good teams who have been decimated by injury at the end of the season and who are forced to play a lot of those games in rapid succession at a time of year where their bodies just aren't used to it. Like if you're a veteran college football player, you've never had to play as many games coming up in December or January as you're about to have to to try and win it all. So it's going to change so much of the preparation even for the teams that have been used to playing a lot of postseason football in the sport so far.

Mike, I'm just saying your point about Notre Dame USC is a good one. That would have been a playoff game for both teams, so I understand that. But Oregon, Washington, they both walk away like, yeah, we both made the playoff, that's it.

But I mean, they're still both in it, right? Like, neither of them is eliminated coming off of this weekend and that game was still awesome because the game itself was still awesome. Like these games as long as they're still close and chaotic and have all the stuff around them that we're used to in college football. I really don't think the playoff tie matters as much to the people who are all going to be maybe for the casual fan if you're trying to get more national eyeballs in the way this sport clearly is angling for with all their changes. But for everybody else now, we were still going to be here beating our chest and it's going to bring that big peanut.

It's also very possible I don't think it's likely, but it's possible if Pac Twelve makes the playoff that isn't Oregon or Washington, just based off of the way that these schedules are. Both of these teams have really tough games down the stretch. Like Oregon State is still a one last team in the Pac Twelve that could upset Oregon season again this year, which they did last year and would not surprise me either. The Pac Twelve supremacy has not been overstated this season. It's very deep conference gojo.

How do you feel about Lucy leaving the Colorado game? 29 nothing at halftime? She left, she missed the second half.

You know what, it's a tough scene, but at the same time, we've all worked in this job long enough, especially at this point in the season midway through. It's really nice when you can get a head start on beating the stadium traffic or getting out of a scenario like like I understand the thought process completely. It ends up being a bad look. It's very reminiscent of the Miami playoff game for hoops down there that you guys had. But I understand exactly where she was coming from beating traffic's. A mother.

Yes. Listen, occasionally it's going to bite you. But you know what? Beating traffic is always a good idea. It is. You're right.

Especially in these college football towns. They're always like weird back roads around the stadium. It's impossible to get in or out of these places. They've not worked on the infrastructure like NFL stadiums had. Getting out of a college stadium's hard unless you're the national broadcast crew that's got the getaway car after the game. So I get it. Lucy, he's going to breathe that big penis energy.

Yeah.

You just said penis. Like, I don't think he even tried.

There's an S there.

Let me hear it again.

He's going to breathe that Dick Penix energy.

Yeah, it's penis.

There's a bit of an X at the end. A bit. There's a little touch.

Breathe that dick penix energy.

That's a penis.

Yeah, I know. Penises. I mean, let me hear it again.

Same.

He's going to breathe that dick penix.

There may not be an X, but there is an XXX.

Guy out of here.

Christ almighty.

Come on.

And the sweater.

Come on. Come on.

Lazy river.

Roy mike, do you think any of these ACC teams are actually going to finish the season undefeated or do you think, like, North Carolina looked really good against Miami, but do they have an L in them? Does florida State.

I think they're all pretty vulnerable. If you made me bet one, it would probably be Florida State at this point. But, man, Tez Walker coming back and looking the way he did kind of changes the math for North Carolina. They didn't really have one dominant receiver on this year's squad. And Drake may. I think the interesting byproduct of this weekend and in general, some of.

The.

Recent Caleb Williams and USC offensive struggle is going to be what it does to the number one quarterback conversation going into next year. I already thought come draft season it was going to be more Drake May as a real part of that conversation that it had been led onto so far. Once we started studying guys with these guys with the purpose of figuring out who's going to be the best NFL player. But I think some of this might expedite that conversation. And once we get to mid November, if they keep this up, I'd imagine a Drake May as the actual number one overall is probably going to become a more prominent take.

Gojo. Are you buying Penn State? They have Ohio State this weekend. It's a big game. Obviously. It's a playoff game. It's a de facto playoff game. Are you buying Penn State?

Buy or sell?

Yeah. Oh definitely buying penn state. I mean, we knew freak athletes all over the defense penn State's problem. And really both of these teams is less like I think both of these teams could beat the other. We saw Penn State. Ohio State last year was a classic that went into the fourth quarter. JT tuamalo. Their DN for Ohio State had, like, a career defining game against them for both of these teams. It's are you built well enough to beat Michigan yet? Because Michigan runs the Big Ten right now. And so I'm buying Penn State to beat Ohio State. They're built to beat them athletically. That was kind of how they structured the team. But I don't know if they've got enough mass to do it against Michigan. And that's the thing I really worry about for both these sides.

Buy or sell. People don't say buy via text.

OOH.

I'll say sell. I think the whole point of text conversations is the fact that it never has to have a defined starter end.

I like a TTYL.

You like closure.

I like a TTYL at the end of a conversation.

Really?

Why would you say you're buying a text?

No, I'm just like, hey, just TTYL talk to you later. All right.

That you can do that.

You can do that's what I mean.

Bye.

Just a little see?

Bye. You're an aim child, though, Chris. That's why you're used to a world where we had those sign ups.

Loving away message showering back and five.

Does a good night count as a bye to you?

A good night?

Yeah, it's closure. Good night.

Gojo.

Buy or sell.

Having a conversation with somebody in different forms, talking about different things. So if me and you are talking on text, but I also send you something on Instagram that's totally different. I send you something on Snapchat that's totally different.

Buy or sell that oh, big time buyer on that. I do that all the time here. Because you can be one a different person, but you're different content in each of those spots. I'm not sharing the same memes via text that I am going to on Instagram or even on TikTok at this point. So no big buyer on that one. Each serves its own purpose.

Buy or sell. This segment being over.

Bye.

Oh, bye bye to me.

Okay, pick up a phone.

Wait, but buy or sell this group versus the rest of the group that you're going to talk to.

Big. Big buy on this group. Big buy on.

Sabotage them. Sabotage them.

Just don't speak. Ojo. Yeah.

Just be quiet.

Right.

Sleeper agent. I can't wait. I'm walking in here in protest.

I want a spy report tomorrow. Can you give us one?

I'm going to wear a body camera and just take footage of them and sabotage. I'm on my way out.

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