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Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebitard podcast.

I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.

In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging.

I have been tempted in restaurants walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys?

I've done it.

And now, here's the marching band to nowhere, Fatface and the habitual liar.

Speaking of people videotaping things that they shouldn't to go viral, this happened yesterday. Someone uploaded this video, and I want to watch it with you, Dan and Stugatz, because I don't think you've seen it yet. It's a strange video. I want you to tell me if you notice anything especially weird about this video.

Car flipped upside down. That's weird in itself.

A door open with a car upside down.

It looks like a watermelon of some sort.

Cool. A watermelon in the sun. Hey, dude, What are you doing?

This guy just pulled out a watermelon from his car.

He thought it was fantastic. Is that Scott Hansen?

That is Scott Hansen. What? I feel like I'm being punked. That is Scott Hansen. This is one of the weirder videos in the history of the Internet.

Okay, so if you're listening to this on the podcast, there is a first person videotaping themselves at the scene of a car crash, reaching into a car with the door open upside down. The car is upside down. He reaches into the car. There's a watermelon.

You grab it because, of course- This person grabs the watermelon.

Half a watermelon. Half of a watermelon, carries it out of the car, and then he pans over to Scott Hansen.

Who's getting his Jeff Darlington on.

Who is videotaping him videotaping the car upside out, the accident. He says, What are you doing?

In an accusatory way, almost like, Are you affecting a crime scene right here? It was almost going to make a citizen's arrest.

Exactly. This video was circulating online, and then Scott Hansen actually tweeted a reply to it because someone said, Is that Scott Hansen? Because it's dark, but the voice is unmistakable. The voice is unmistakable. He said that, Apparently, there was a car crash. The people in the cars were okay. He checked. But then We saw this person reaching inside the car to get the watermelon and started videotaping him in case it was a crime to take a watermelon out of a crashed car.

All right. It is delightful for a number of different reasons, but you're suggesting that in that situation, Scott Hansen was video vigilante, that he is protecting America's streets from stolen watermelon situations when your car has flipped over.

What I learned in this video is the value of a good watermelon, because this is a very serious What? But until I see the watermelon, it's a flipped car. It's a camera. There could be someone dead in there. I see the watermelon, I'm instantly happy. I'm like, I smile, I giggle. If that video is exactly the same thing, but there's no watermelon, this is a very serious, sad video. That's a carved-out watermelon.

Yes, if there's a dead body instead of a watermelon, it's a worse video.

You put cut up fruit in that watermelon. It's delightful. It's melon, it's cut up watermelon. You hollow out the watermelon. That's what that is.

I love a melon baller. It's just the half. This is what Scott Hansen tweeted, by the way. He said, Yes, I'm fine. I was a witness. I wasn't in either car. Terrible crash. I checked on the survivors and then saw that Jack Wagon trying to exploit the situation for his social media. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but I was/ I am- What is he doing? Disheartening.

Same thing. What's Scott doing?

He's being disappointed in behavior.

He said, Two people could have died, and that clown was excited about his TikTok. I couldn't believe it. You know his name/identity? He jettled when the police were pulling up. I videoed him in case what he was doing was illegal, tampered with the scene of a crime? So disappointing.

Don't worry about that, Scott. How about that? Seriously, stay in your lane. Mind your own business.

Tell me when it teams in the red zone.

What if Scott wanted the melon, and that's why he's really upset? Signing that melon from a mile away.

How did this guy know there was a watermelon in the car? That's the other thing. He just reaches in and grabs a watermelon. This is one of those things where... You know how people think that we're all living in a simulation? This is an example of we are in a simulation and we're running out of The people running the simulation have run out of extras, so they just dropped Scott Hanson into this video.

It's interesting to see the division in the room, though, because I feel like you and me, and I don't know where Lucy and Chris stand on this, but we're looking at Scott Hanson and saying, Good for you. But Billy and Tony aligned again on NARC.

Falsids.

Yeah.

Mind your business. It's a little pot-kettle situation. You know what I mean? He's running up to someone with a camera saying, What are you doing? And while he's doing the exact same thing.

He didn't upload his video. He took it for the police.

He's making I'm not going to tell you the story about where the cops now.

That video came out first, and then he became the guy that's like, You know what? I can't be the second one to put the video out. Now I need to pretend to be Batman over here. Waterman and Batman.

I think if one of my loved ones was in a crash, which this has happened to loved ones of mine before, and someone had a video of said accident and someone messing with their car after said accident, I would probably want to know what was going on. Just saying. Look, if no one got hurt, no one got hurt, everyone was okay, and I saw that watermelon video on my TikTok For You page, I would have liked and shared it. Yeah, for sure. I got to be honest.

Jeff Darlington is really inspiring.

That melon was full of glass, though. Exactly. That's the thing that I don't understand the value of that watermelon. Wait, it was? Yeah. He took a shattered sunroof. There was a shattered sunroof. When you take it out, you even hear the glass crackling.

That's the thing. I mean, this is a mess.

What are you doing? If I'm the first guy and I approach the car and I see the watermelon, I'm just doing zoom in and out thing on it. I'm not actually grabbing it because I'm thinking what Scott Hanson's thinking. I don't want to affect a crime scene.

Melon's expensive.

You got to zoom in and out on it. I mean, it's like, what the hell is this watermelon doing here? You got to emphasize it.

I would like to examine for a second, though, what Stugatz has correctly identified is going on around here before we go back out to Jeremy to see if he has found a Florida Panthers fan. You just said, Billy, when I accused you of team Tony and uniting with him on being anti-narc. This is what you did. You whispered falsehoods and then agreed with everything he said. That's exactly how you did it. You whispered your lame move of falsehoods and then agreed with every single word that he said about Scott Hansen as a narc and supported Tony from every angle.

Well, I'm not intentionally supporting Tony. Our view just seems to align on this situation.

I think we need to get Scott Hansen on the show. I also think that the Miami drivers in this room are desensitized to accidents like this. You think that this is just like, Yeah, there's accidents all the time. I grab a melon from a car that's upside down. This is not normal behavior.

On Only Indade, I've seen seven cars flipped over today in the morning.

We have to talk more about that in a second, what you've seen on Only Indade, because there's always a car rolling on I-95 on fire. I don't understand how that car fire.

Car fire seems very prevalent.

I saw a burnt-out Lamborghini yesterday, or maybe a week ago, woke up, rolled out of bed, Lamborghini on fire. All there's left is a tire. What's happening?

Only Indade has a number of videos day that make it feel like a simulation. There's always a mattress on the highway. There's always a car on fire.

Or the boat getting pulled back on the car.

You know how people try to pull the boat up from the ramp? Let's go back out to Jeremy here in our continuing quest in South Florida. Is he being reined on now? Where are you? Where is that? Where are you now looking for panther fans?

Dan, we got lost. It's really easy to end up in the middle of the Everglades, and that's exactly what's happened here. I did speak to an actual Florida panther. He was very excited about Greg Cody's new nickname of Serge Badkwotsky. Can we pan out a little here? Let's paint the picture a little. Let's pan out, Danny. No, no. I'm up to my knees in water. You could see it, up to my knees in water. We're really stuck.

Okay, he is in the Everglades. He is in the Everglace. He is in the Everglace. Wow.

I've been there. Wait a minute.

Is that right near the sunrise exit? Yeah, it is near the sunrise exit. That's right. This is So when Bill Simmons asked the question, Nobody knows where the Panthers play, that's where the Panthers play, right there in the Everglades. Again, though, you are no closer to any- We're looking for Panthers fans.

Why are you in the Everglades? Where are the Panthers fans? We're going to try. We're going to head to another spot in the Everglades because I think being this close to where the arena is, is most important. So in the rain now, we're actually going to head over to where the airboat rides are in the Everglades and see if we can't find some Florida Panthers fans.

You won't find a single fan there. Go further away from the arena, and then you have a better chance of finding a fan. I'm telling you. No.

Next report from the airboat. That is further away from the arena.

He's going to go try and find... You got it. Yes. Go out there. Let's show people We're both Everglades, for those who do not know the marshland, the Panthers. The beauty. The landscape.

Sad white van just driving by. Heaven on Earth, really.

It's beautiful. I want to ask all of you a question here. Because I don't know the folks like Jessica and Lucy who are new to South Florida. I think... Thank you, Jeremy. We will check back in. Not enough rain on you. I'd like you to be getting rained on more.

Flamingo for you, Dan. I'll find another Flamingo.

In Our region, the places where giant sports things have been built to entertain the sports that are not the major ones, furthest out on the extremes of South Florida, where you can get land to build giant things, furthest from us. Homestead Motor Speedway is in Homestead, where you can get a lot of land to build a thing that has a lot of space and is not in the center of things. You're going toward marshland and deeper and deeper into areas where the real estate has less value. You're almost at the keys. I mean, it's far. I don't know which one's further. Billy, help me. Which one's further from where we are right now? Homestead Motor Speedway or where Jeremy is covering the Panthers? I don't know in terms of miles which one is actually further by car in traffic to get to when I say that Because when I say that going to a Stanley Cup game from where we presently are in traffic will take between 90 minutes and 2 hours to get to where the Stanley Cup is. If you know anything about South Florida, Dade and Brouwer, those are two very different places demographically.

That Dade County has all of the diversity you'll find in Fort Lauderdale, somewhere you find Dillard High School and stuff. But where The Panthers play not terribly diverse.

No.

The Panthers, Fort Lauderdale- But people live there.

Jeremy lives 10 minutes from there. Chris Cody lives close to there. We just don't.

Well, people live in Davy Plantation. And Homestead. People live there, too.

Just far from us.

Homestead is 40 miles. Homestead Speedway is 40 miles from right here.

It's also hard to put a motor speedway in the middle of downtown. It takes up a lot of real estate. You need lots of acreage to put a mile long racetrack in the middle of a street.

Formula One begs to differ.

You say that, but wasn't the Grand Prix originally right here? Wasn't it in downtown Miami in these same streets right here?

They closed downtown to do that. It's not an actual speedway the entire time. That is correct. It's just for the event. That is right. Also, as we're growing and branching out, the geography of Florida was all swampland. It all used to look like that. When the Orange Bowl was built, it was built in swampland. We just keep going out further west, and we kept going further south because that's where the available land is. But as time goes on, those will be populated areas because you'll keep building homes around there because that's where the land's available. Unless it becomes protected because of the Florida Panthers who are endangered or not. We're not sure about that, but we think they're endangered. Then the land becomes protected and you can't build House is there.

One of the best books I have read is The Swamp, about the History of Florida and how it is- Michael Grunwald.

I read that one, too.

Ben Hill-Griffin, Tebo.

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Don Levatard.

Teammates can't shoot from three.

Now they're going to see a different Jimmy.

Now he's just, just playing. Nickelback in the locker room and- Stugatz.

They'll play D and show threes as they chase the nets for the sixth seed.

These five words in his head, Scream are we winning games yet?

This is the Dan Levatard Show with the Stugatz.

I wish that people could see Stugatz during the break and the stuff that he does Because he just did a cameo. I heard him mutter under his breath, The ones you do within 24 hours, double the money.

Yes, they dried up.

Well, because you're the worst, Stugatz. You didn't do a ton of When you said they dried up, you wanted them, you charged a lot for them, and then you would go many months without answering and let them expire, and it became too much for you. I don't know what's going on now in your personal life that makes you do these during the breaks, that makes you grab at the money during the breaks in a way that's more aggressive than you were doing it back then.

First off, I will get to all of those, the ones I didn't do. I do plan on sitting down one day and getting to those, and I'll do them for free. So everyone out there, they're three years old, but I will get to them. Yo, chicken thon. I deserve that.

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But this was 24-hour response, Dan. By the way, I'm on the cameo app right now. I have a consecutive street going of five straight cameos on Todd. How about that? This was double the money. It was someone's 33rd birthday. You know that's important to me. It's Larry Bird here.

Five is not impressive at all.

What?

How many undone have you- I have to check.

I don't know. I'm not sure.

Good confidence there. What he said, though, where you might have lacked confidence in speaking, Stugatz, As soon as he was done, he involved the room, he wish somebody happy birthday, and he stopped the cameo, and then he looks at me and with a single sausage finger says, I'm good at those.

I'm good at wishing someone a happy birthday.

You just threw the camera in front of me. You're like, Here's Chris.

Listen, I had a top five because it's his 33rd birthday. I happened to have my top five athletes who wore the number 33 of all time. I gave it to them. What a gift.

Can we have that?

Yeah. Can we have a-Put effort into that?

I did, yeah. Does he put any effort into any of the top five? It's just the latest things he's thought of.

I wrote it down. Number five, Tony Dorset. Number 4, Scottie Pippin. We're getting reheated cameo material.

Number 3, Shaq.

It makes it less personal to the person you're giving the gift to.

No, they'll love this.

Number 2, Kareem. Number 1, of course, Shop For Your Life, Larry Bird. $112, Dan.

Bill Billy is shocked by that.

A hundred and twelve dollars you charge? It's a 24-hour thing. That's why it's worth $24. That's probably just his cut. Yeah, that's his cut.

It's probably like 175, and he gets 112.

I'm crushing it.

Billy, tell me everything. Five in a row. Billy, tell me everything that's going well. You say five in a row with enthusiasm, but the people who are listening and not seeing don't see that your head is in your hands because you're disgusted by what?

Five is nothing. Five in a row is not good.

What's your longest I don't want to say.

Well, no, I'll show Tony, but don't say it out loud because it sounds obnoxious. I don't want to say it.

He's probably done all of them. He's probably got hundreds in a row. Oh, my God.

Yeah, I don't want to say it, but it's more than five.

Billy's responsible. It's all the money.

I have one. That's the thing. It's like, yeah, I want my kids to go to college. So I want... Yes, if you're going to offer me money, I will go above and beyond and I'll send you what you want. Yes.

That seems reasonable. What transaction?

You're asking me to do something, I'll do it for you. Yes. One of the father's He's coming up, by the way. If anyone wants me to wish their father a happy Father's Day, husband, brother, whatever. Much cheaper, Billy, Chris, and Lucy. Exactly, right. Three for the price of one, so I'm saying. I'll give you five minutes. Yeah, me too. I always go five minutes. I'll do a whole standup. My wife comes in and tells me, Hey, wrap it up. Stop telling this person, Happy birthday. You don't know them. I go, But they're my friend. I love Carl. I love Mark.

My wife has kicked me out because I'm doing too many cameos in the house. I do them in the garage.

Yeah, you did five.

I have spent a lot of time, too much time, I would say, over the years, trying to understand the Mighty God. One of the things that I couldn't understand when cameo money was pouring in, he likes money so much, how is it that Stugatz wouldn't be militant about making sure that he did all of these, and I figured it out. The money's not as valuable to him if he can't scam it off of you. He's got to be able to- It feels like I'm really working for it when I do that.

Exactly right. There's the balance between the money and work, and he wanted to be like, Where is this? Here's the balance. This is the money side, and this is the work side. And he'd like the scales to be like this, where there's the maximum money and the minimum work. And with cameo, respectfully, It was more like this, right? Where it was like- Too easy. The money was there. Too easy. No, not too easy. It was too much for you because you had days that you had to do maybe four or five. And then it's like, Well, hold on a second. This is eight minutes of work.

I was going through a tough time.

Anyone listening to this, anyone listening to this would say to you that this is the easiest thing in the world to do for money. There's no easier way to make money than this.

No, that's not true, because the thing is that they give you... Well, Stugat somehow got an extended seven-day window. Normal people get a four-day window. I don't know how you manage to get a seven-day window.

I changed my settings, man. You could do it, too.

I didn't know that that was a thing. You have a couple of days window. If you don't do it right away, then sometimes Did you then start getting lost in life. Then it's like, Well, oh, my God, I have 37 minutes left and I need to get this in. If you don't do it right away, sometimes it gets away from you.

What happened was I had the price set lower and I had it set at one day. I had to deliver in one day. Why would you do that? Well, that's why I changed the settings because I couldn't keep up with the demand. Now I extended it out to seven days and I raised the price. Not as much demand, more time to do it.

It took a bit of a fall. It had its peak right early on COVID where everyone was doing it, and then you lost the whole...

Yeah, the guy that used to text me about joining nonstop hasn't texted me in a couple of years.

Shout out to Addison, wherever you are.

I don't think that you guys understand how you sound. Because this is not hard work. It is easy money. And leaving that easy money on the table for any reason sounds offensive to anybody out there struggling with money. Your life can't get so busy that you don't have a minute to yammer into your phone to make $50. I don't think you guys realize how you sound.

I mean, you go to a dentist with a leg massage.

That's right. Tony saw my streak. There's no money left on that table.

Billy has scooped up all the money, put it in his pocket. Good for him.

Your kids are going to go to college for that. Hopefully.

What is the most memorable cameo? Was it the Antonio Brown ones or was it Smoky Robinson?

Hey, Marco. How are you doing? Surprise, surprise. This is Smoky Robinson. I know you didn't expect to hear from me, but I was contacted by your son, Jeff and Jerr. They told me that you used to live in Detroit, across the street from me. Gosh, that's beautiful. How are you doing again? Nice talking to you again, I guess. But anyway, you're living in Vancouver now, and they wanted me to wish you happy Chinuca. I have no idea what Chinuca is, but happy Chinuca because they said Anyway, God bless you, babe, and enjoy Chinuca. Have a wonderful time.

It's a better time.

If you can do better than that with a more memorable cameo than that, I would love to hear what you've got.

Top 33s.

I made friends on cameo. The same people come back year after year. I wish the same people Happy Valentine's Day every year.

Return customers because you're satisfied customers.

We actually have employees here that reached out to to get jobs via Cameo. Dmed us. Mike Fuentes.

Fuentes, yeah. I did one for him. I did.

What? Then you told him you got him the job.

I did.

And saved the podcast all those years ago as well. We're going to get in a moment here to Florida Panthers coverage because we have Chris Cody doing something braver than anyone in the take industry is doing right now. Flying to Edmonton?in hockey. No. Pk Suban is going to join us from Edmonton in moments. A lot of people have made that 2,500-mile flight. But Chris Cody is doing something in the take business that no one else has done. He has a quibble with Paul Maurice. He's only willing to escalate it to the level of quibble. He's not going to criticize this coach that Jonathan Zaslow locally called the murderer of fun. It doesn't feel that way right now. But he brought a style of hockey that was less fun than the style we had. And so Chris is daring to quibble with Paul Maurice. We'll get to that in a second. But as has been happening way too much around here recently in ways that make me think about mortality, and I'd like to not be thinking so much about mortality, we have the breaking news now that Jerry West has passed away at the age of 86 years old.

I don't have any personal experience with Jerry West, other than interviewing him a couple of times on Highly Questionable and talking to him before it was fashionable about how deeply and darkly depressed he was and not able to enjoy his greatness as much as he would have liked because of what was a very difficult upbringing that was fueled to achieve the that he did to make him a historic figure in sports. But I can't speak with any expertise about having watched him play or his greatness. I'm just learning that he passed at 86, and this will be met with a great deal of sadness in basketball circles where a number of different people had a number of different experiences with Jerry West, who was a consummate leader as a player and as an executive, most recently portrayed in Winning Time by Adam McKay as a totally unreasonable temper problem that his family and him objected to that portrayal in a way that Jerry West said, I will take it all the way to the Supreme Court. I don't like how I've been portrayed emotionally in Winning Time, which is a fictionalized account of the Showtime Lakers.

But Jerry West is earned as the logo of the sport, and he has now passed away at the age of 86.

He's one of the all-time great players. I only know stories about him playing through my dad, who swears that Jerry West is the greatest shooter that he's ever seen. We debate that all the time. I tell him it's Larry Bird. He tells me Jerry West. He says West is the logo and ends the argument. But Dan, not only a great player, but as you mentioned off the court, a great builder of teams and also a mentor to a lot of players on teams in which he wasn't a part of. He just mentored a lot of guys throughout their career. And you're right, today this is going to be met with a ton of sadness because he is one of the all-time great and had connections with a lot of the younger players who are going to be devastated by this news. So it is sad to see that Jerry West has passed away at the age of 86.

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Don Levatard. We didn't get to your guys as against the spread. You're right.

I don't have it against the spread because I wasn't prepared for this segment. You need an Ian in your life. You have actively played defense against me today in a way that has rarely been this undercutting. Stugatz.

Defense wins championships, baby. That's show business. This is the Don Levatard show with the Stugatz.

Let us segue however awkward outwardly from mortality into something that feels slightly better than that, which is the Panthers are two victories away from winning the Stanley Cup. P. K. Suban has been an excellent analyst over the last few years. He's a three-time NHL All-Star, but it's been fun watching him grow as a voice, his confidence. It's obvious, not that he ever lacked confidence, but it's just obvious seeing him in front of the cameras that he has grown comfortable, very comfortable in the position of being an authority and a voice on hockey. Pk, thank you for joining us. Can you tell me if you could have imagined this during your playing career, the idea of an analyst role for you that would fit this well?

I don't think you ever try to look too far ahead. I think you try to stay in the moment when you're playing. But one thing that was always something that I saw follow me from team to team, I played for three different teams. And in every single locker room, we were always very opinionated about what we heard on the television and what people would be saying. And I think that sometimes you got to put your money where your mouth is. When you're an ex-player, you have an opportunity to have an impact. Sorry about that. To be able to talk about the game and influence the game in a different way than just on the ice and be able to educate people and bring new people into the game. I think it's an opportunity that you can't pass up, Especially for the players that truly love the game, whatever sport you're in, if you truly love it, you want to still be attached to it in some capacity. And this allows me to not only be within the game still, but as a player, give to the players and help educate from a player's perspective. I think that's important as well.

Journalism is a difficult job, and I have a lot of respect for people that have been doing it for a long time. But to have a perspective as someone who's more recently out of the game, I think is pretty valuable. And I hope that the players value it. All the feedback has been positive so far, so I'll take it and run with it.

Well, you had personality as a player. You have personality as a broadcaster. Do you get frustrated the way that I do by hockey players in general who are very nice, very polite, and very careful to never say anything interesting to us?

Well, I think that the comfort is now there for players to come out of this show. We see what the NHL is doing with this new show coming out. Obviously, that's going to highlight some of the star players in the game, and I know I'll be a part of that in a certain capacity. So we're all excited for that. And I think This is the new wave now for the NHL. The NHL is here. We see it. The numbers continue to grow. People continue to watch. It's exciting. I mean, we had DJ Khaled performing before the game during an intermission. It's pretty special. This stuff wasn't happening when I was playing, right? And I retired only two years ago. So I think we're well on our way in the NHL. And the most important thing is the product on the ice. So the players know that. You got to go out and play. But I think that we have other avenues now to show players' personality. It's difficult. These guys wear helmets on the ice. You don't always get to see them. So as far as recognizing the players, we have to find other ways to do that.

And I think that creating different avenues to promote players and market the game is exactly what we want to do. And I think that show is going to play a big role. And people getting to know our stars outside of just like Connor McDavid being on the Stanley Cup stage and Matthew Kachuk. They're going to be able to get inside a little bit and know what they're like personally, which I think is really important.

Pk, you mentioned the ratings on your right. They're up and they're up dramatically. They're up 45% year to year. What do you attribute that to?

I think it's a number of things. The product on the ice. I got to watch a lot of hockey, and I can tell you, when I was playing, I didn't always want to watch. I can't take my eyes off the screen now. I'm so excited every night to watch the game. There's so many skilled players. Without the skill, I considered myself a skilled player when I played. Grew up, I was a Montreal Canadiens fan. Obviously, hometown is Toronto, so always had a special place in my Heart for the Leaps. But growing up, it was all about the Detroit Red Wings and the Colorado Avalanche and watching the way that those teams play the game. And that was skill and a ton of skill. And now that's what the game is about. You can see it all all over the ice. So it takes, obviously, a certain level of testicular fortitude and toughness and dedication to play this game. But skill in the entertainment part is really, really important. And I think our game is just highly entertaining. I think it's fun to watch. If you love sports, you love to watch hockey, especially right now.

It's very, very exciting. And for me to want to sit and watch hockey games every night says a lot. I've seen a lot of hockey over my lifetime, and I'm loving it right now. So I'd have to say the product on the ice and just everything. I think that Gary Bettman has done a great job. The decisions that he's made, expansion teams, all that stuff has come. Look at Vegas, right? Look at what's happening in Vegas. So the game has continued to grow, and a lot of it is on the shoulders of the players, but we have to give the league credit as well. And a media. I think that there's so many different ways now with podcasts, different shows, and obvious and streaming, and all this stuff. There's so many different ways to now see what's going on in the world of hockey, and I think all of that helps.

A critic writes in of the show, Stugatz, My favorite thing is Dan taking off his glasses to talk about a sport he knows nothing about and thinks he's making thought-provoking statements when he says, I simply didn't think they could do that. Pk, did you think that Edmondon could be slowed that way by anybody the way they were in game two?

You know what? I think the Florida... Are you talking about the Florida Panthers, specifically? I'm sorry, I missed the first part of your question.

The glass is detracting. I am asking you whether... In the last game that they played. I didn't understand the difference between game one and game two, where all of a sudden, Edmonton is getting all of the opportunities in game one, all sorts of dangerous high-risk opportunities that Bobrowski is stopping. And then game two, I I see the worst Edmonton team I've seen play. I didn't think that that could happen, where there were no chances for Edmonton. I didn't think anybody could do that to them.

I saw that coming. The Florida Panthers probably played the worst game of the playoffs in game one. In my opinion, they looked tentative. They looked nervous. One thing that no one's going to talk about is eight out of the 20 or 21 players that skated weren't even in the finals last year. Luce Turina, who's a great young player for them, he was hurt. He didn't play last year in the final. So they got a lot of guys that this is their first time playing in the final. So everybody's looking at the Florida Panthers saying, Oh, they were in the finals last year. Yeah, they were, but they got a lot of players that weren't. So that, I think, showed in game one. There was a little bit of nerves, and it should be. It should be nervous. He's a really good hockey player on the other side. I don't know. Best player in the world, the best player in the world, the best player of our generation, Conor McDavid. He's a He was a very good player. I'd be a little bit nervous, too, if I was playing against him in the finals. You know you're going to see his best.

And Edmonton came out ready to play. I think it was a missed opportunity for Edmonton. A missed opportunity because they just ran into who I believe is the lead in the Consumers Trophy conversation. And Sergei Brovski was unbelievable in game one, and he stole game one. You knew that Florida was going to come out better in game two. I haven't seen them play two bad games in a row all season. I mean, they had a little stretch there, a little rough patch heading into the playoffs. But other than that, they've been solid all year and all postseason. So I expected them to bounce back, and they know they had to take care of business at home. Edmonton right now is one of the toughest buildings to play in the National Hockey League. It's going to be tough for game three. So they had to get it done at home, and they came out and played better. Sam Bennett was awesome. Michola was great. He's been great all playoff long. And Serguant Barbar, he shut the door when he had to. Now, the question is going to be, help for Florida. Are they healthy going into game three?

But I was not surprised that Edmonton was shut down the way that they were. This Florida Panthers team is the best defensive team in hockey, and it showed.

Are you okay with our idea to make Dreisaitl sit for as long as Barcoff has to sit?

Seems fair.

So I love that. I do. It's just difficult, right? Because you think about it this way. Let's just say that Dreisaitl had hit a player that was on the fourth line, right? And I'm not saying this. I'm just thinking out hypothetically because we're talking as fans now. I got to take my analyst hot off for a second. Talking as fans. If Dreisaitl hits a fourth-line guy like that in the elbow, guy goes down his jaw and decides to sit or sit two games, who's not as big of an impact player, now you've got one of the best players in the series out. I don't know how much the NHL investigates to how hurt guys actually are. But the one thing I will say is that if a player where the number one thing I look at is the injury stuff. If a guy is injured, if you break a player's jaw, throwing an elbow, there's got to be, in my opinion, there's got to be a suspension for that. I'd be pissed if my best player broke his jaw off of their best player, hitting him with an elbow, and there was no supplementary discipline for it.

Now, I will say this about the drysideal hit, and I'll even go as far to talk about the Fogal hit, because I saw the replay on that as well. And I called it a knee on knee. But whether it was a knee on knee, hip on hip, quad on quad, it's reckless. I don't like it through the NutraZone. If you're going to hit somebody through the middle of the ice, it's a skill and an art to hit. If you are late, that's why we have referees to call penalties for guys that don't have the skating or the timing ability to hit in the open ice cleanly. If you catch a guy's leg, quad or knee, It's a penalty. And if the guy's hurt and it looks reckless and it's dangerous, which that was, there could be extra supplementary discipline to it. So I didn't like that hit. With Leon, Leon knew who he was hitting. There's no question about that. Now, did he deliberately try to elbow him in the chip? I will say no. When Truba sticks his elbow out at Rodriguez, that, to me, is way more egregious than the hit that Leon Driveside will put on Barkov.

Now, guys, I was just as emotional as every person in the state of Florida when that hit happened, and I saw the elbow to the chin because this is the best player, this is the best player right now in the playoffs, who could potentially be injured, who could be potentially injured and out for the series, out for a game, whatever it is. And that's as clear as day. That's an elbow. Now, here is the intent. The intent is for Leon Dreisaitl to make a big hit on Barcob. And look, his feet are down. I actually said he left his feet. He didn't leave his feet as early as I thought he did. I'm emotional. I have to admit to that. I do get I'm sorry. I do. I'm a player, so I always put myself on the ice, and I have to try to temper that emotion sometimes and look at it with a different hat on. And once I watched it over and over again, I was a little bit more lenient to it. Now, everybody's going to say, Wow, PK, you're only saying that because he's a star player. Well, you're damn right.

They are star players. We want them on the ice. There isn't different rules for different guys, but I've seen way worse hits than that. The most important thing that I I want to see is Barcov on the ice for game three. If he's healthy and on the ice for game three, I'm not going to care. So to your point, should they both sit? I mean, if Barcow sitting, I don't mind Leon Dreisaitl sitting in the game. I don't mind that at all. But if it doesn't happen, it's not the end of the world. And I'm thinking that Barcow is going to play. I hope he plays. It'd be another conversation if he's missing a game. That's for sure. That's a huge loss. Huge loss if he has to miss a game.

Now, he is on the ice this morning for practice, so that is a good sign. Full participation. Good. Now, I am wondering... Go ahead.

Yeah. And that's the most important thing for fans and everybody. We want the stars on the ice, but we want these guys playing hard. And I also don't want to take away Leon Dreisael's right to go out there and make a big hit and play hard like that. So I have to temper my emotions, but there was no question that was an elbow. That was an elbow.

Could Paul Maurice, and this was my quibble that we talked earlier, I don't want to criticize Paul Maurice. I love Paul Ball. No one was supporting that guy before I was down here. You were first. But I can't criticize. I'm afraid to criticize him, so I'm just putting a lot of caveats in the front of it. But he could have been a little more aggressive in that press conference, calling for a suspension of drysidal. No?

Paul Maurice handles the media perfectly. I liked exactly what he said. He's so smart. No, he's right to do that because what I love about Paul Maurice is he not only loves his players, I really believe he loves the other team players as well, and he looks at all the players the same. He's been around so long. That's not true.

I don't like that.

I don't want him to say that.

I don't like that. I don't like that. I hate the other players.

. Come on.

Guys, I don't think Paul Maurice is going out there wanting to see players suspended and missing an opportunity of a lifetime to play in the Stanley Cup final unless it's truly deserving.

And he's not going to lobby for that unless it's 150 % deserving.

You're telling me if I go up to Maurice tonight and just say, Hey, Genie, McDavid suspended. He just suspended. That he's going to say, No, no, thank you. I don't want him suspended?

No, that's not what I'm saying. Of course, of course. Listen, of course, he's winning. But he's not going to lobby for a player to get suspended. He's going to let the NHL do their job. And I thought the way he handled it was great because he put a spotlight on it without having to be front and center. He let everybody else do the math on what they saw. He saw the clip. All you got to do is watch the video clip to see the elbow, to see it's right to the chin of the game's best player right now, and that's Barcob. He's been the best player in the playoff right now. Who's going to argue that? On both sides of the park. He's Florida's most valuable player outside of a broad And he took an elbow straight from Leon Dreisaitl to the chin. So at the end of the day, this is playoff hockey. We've seen stuff happen. The most important thing is that Barcob is not hurt. So I'm happy to hear that he was on the ice. I figured that he would make it back. And Lusterine in two. I was more scared about that hit, to be honest, than the Barcab hit.

The Lusterine in one really had me going in the game, and I'm happy that he came back shortly after.

We're out of time, unfortunately. Thank you for joining us after the 2,500-mile flight. I do have one follow-up, though. You mentioned a couple of times how emotional you are and were as a player. What do you regard as the most unreasonably emotional you ever were as a player? Is there one thing that stands out to you as like, I really need to get my emotions in check? That was too far.

Yeah, definitely. It was actually towards the end of my career when I was playing in New Jersey. I think it might have been in my second or maybe even my last year plan. And a bunch of my close friends and people in my inner circle gave me a bunch of crap for it. I don't know if I could swear, I would have said something else. We were playing the Islanders, and it was in an overtime, and I had scored in overtime. Big celebration, and it was a big turning point for a team. We were trying to get the ball rolling. And it was called back on an offside. And I sounded off on social media after. I chirped the league. I said this week because I thought back to the NHL Finals when the offside was called the Stanley Cup final. And I was just being a big baby. Really, I was. Just being a big baby. And I was just upset. I wanted to win the game. I wanted our team to have that game. And I went on social media and I said something about the league. And that was the only time I ever regret it opened my mouth.

That's when the emotions had boiled over for me, and deservingly so. I think everybody understands New Jersey. Those were tough three years, playing on a team that's at the bottom of the lead. I'm used to being in the playoffs every year and going on long payoff runs. So that would have been the time where I lost it. And I was upset about it because I think there's a responsibility that comes when you're a player that's recognized in a professional sports league to understand that it's our job to shine the shield. The shield gives us a lot. So I try to keep my emotions in check, but it's an emotional game. So I wouldn't be me without the emotional part. It's just about finding balance. So I remember that, though. I said some stuff on Twitter maybe or on Instagram, and wasn't the right way to handle it.

Yes or no answer. We'll get you out of here. Do you agree with Greg Cody when he says, Connor McDavid needs to win a Stanley Cup to validate his greatness?

I feel differently about that. I think that when people think, I know you want a yes or no answer, but it's not a yes or no answer.

You can't do it. You can't do it. No. Yes or no. I stated it on the front end. I don't want to enrage the big baby, but he did say yes or no. I'm going to say no, because what he does to me is so special.

He is the greatest engineered player to ever play the game. Eras are different. There's no question. There'll never be a Wayne Gretsky, another Wayne Gretsky. Wayne Gretsky is the great one. He is the greatest of all time. But for this generation, Connor McDavid is that guy. And the only reason why we say winning is because players have to have something to play for. This is not a sport where the culture accepts you coming in, taking your paycheck and walking out the door. Winning has to matter. And people You can tell when you play the game and want to win and when you don't care about winning. You know the way hockey is, man. There's no prima donas in this sport. So winning has to matter. But if I'm talking about the sport itself, there's nobody even close to this guy. We've never seen anybody Everybody liked this guy. He's worth the price of admission to go and play. I've watched him his whole career, played with my brother growing up. Conor McDavid is the real deal. Anybody who says any different has never played against him. And no offense, you're a cote, you've never played against Conor McDavid.

No, and that's not taking anything away from him. But trust me, if he would play against him, he'd have a completely different opinion. You're right. He would.

No, you're absolutely right. Thank you for the only way to find out.

You got us.

Thank Thank you for what?

Thank you for creating the visual of my dad playing hockey against Connor McDavid.

Thank you, PK.

He thinks he can, though.

We appreciate it, PK. Thank you, sir.

Thanks, guys. Thank you.

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