You recently shared on the drew Barrymore show that you went on a second date with a new person. That third date was coming.

Yes.

What's going on?

I did go on the third date.

And have you met anyone new? When you entered this profession, 27 stations rejected you. Will you share this? Because so many, Hoda, so many times. I know you and I have this in common. We've gone through so many rejections, and I think, like, oh, my gosh, I could almost shouted myself out of my own destiny for the person who's just, like, gotten their heartbroken or gotten another reject or sent their manuscript out and no publisher liked it, or they think, like, oh, my days have passed. My ship has sailed. Will you share 27 projections? And look at you now.

That's why we connect. That's why we connect. I burst out into tears that Mandev single handedly changed the course of my life in that 1 minute. You don't need 27 people to love you. You just need to find one. And there's always one.

I'm just thinking about the person listening, watching us right now, who. Maybe they're on their 27th heartbreak, their 27th person cheated on them again, their 27th betrayal, the 27th, you know, manuscript rejection or the 27th time they stopped themselves from even trying, just recognizing what you need to be happy and deciding to make space for that. Because if we still hold on to things that are good enough or fine or the relationship that we should just be grateful for and all, there's no space. And you're making space, and now you're like, oh, in my life right now, I have space for a fun Friday night.

Yes, that's right now.

And when I know there's space for more, I'll know there's space for more. And you also kind of, like, with faith, declare the space that's coming. Like, oh, yeah, a new love also is coming. And I just find this so inspiring. If you ever need company on Facetime, I will Facetime you with a sleeve of Ritz crackers from my bed watching housewives.

I love it.

And we can do that together.

How they go in your mouth. It's like they melt. You don't even have to chew it. You just put it in one after the next. The whole sleeve is gone in moments.

Yes. The best. Yes. How did you learn to speak? Because there are so many people who don't think they're worthy of speaking their voice, or they think, if I'm the real me, if someone saw the real me, then I will not be loved. Do you know, with absolute certainty God exists. Do you ever doubt God exists?

I've never doubted it. Not for 1 second, no. I was mad at God when my dad died. And I hope that they, which I always tell them that no matter what, I'll always be there in some form and that they feel my presence, protecting them, loving them and watching over them. I hope that's what they say. Oh, wow. Hi guys. How are you?

Hey, I'm in. Good morning. You ready? You ready? Let's do it. All set up in here.

How cute is this?

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If you haven't signed up to make sure that you get it each week, just go to jamiecarnlima.com to make sure you're on the list and you'll get your one on one with Jamie Weekly newsletter and get ready to believe in you. If you're tired of hearing the bad news every single day and need some inspiration, some tips, tools, joy and love hitting your inbox, I'm your girl. Subscribe at jamiekarn lima.com or in the link in the show notes Hoda Kotb is an Emmy award winning Edward R. Murrow, award winning Gracie Peabody, Matrix and Webby award winning co anchor of the Today show. She's part of the first ever female duo to anchor the show. She's also hosted the award winning podcast making space with Hoda Kadi. She's the author of multiple New York Times bestselling books, a breast cancer survivor, a mother of two beautiful daughters. And I was a guest on her podcast recently called making space. And I have to say that is when I truly fell in love with her because I learned she is the exact same incredible woman off camera that she is on camera. So here today with you and with me is my new friend, Hoda.

Hoda Kotb, welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

Jamie Kern Lima, that's her name. Everybody needs Jamie Kern Lima in their life. Jamie Kern Lima Jamie, you're so inspiring.

Jamie Kern Lima what's so exciting about this is like you make history. You make history with the Today show, right? Biggest job you can get in this industry. And I just am thinking about the person listening to this right now, watching us right now that may not know that when you entered this profession, 27 stations rejected you. Will you share this? Because so many, Hoda, so many times, I know you and I have this in common. We've gone through so many rejections. And I think like, oh, my gosh, I almost shouted myself out of my own destiny. And for the person who's just like gotten their heartbroken or gotten another reject or sent their manuscript out and no publisher liked it or they think like, oh, my days have passed, my ship has sailed. Share 27 rejections and look at you now.

That's why we connect. That's why we connect because we both know the feeling of not one person who believes and you wonder, not one person outside of our families who believed. When I graduated college, I was sure I was getting a job with no other, nothing other than my mom was a constant cheerleader. So I just assumed I was kind of good. So I was like, I still remember it. I was like, mom, I'm going to borrow your car and I'm going to go to Richmond and I'm going to go get that job at this station. Okay. You got it, girl. You know, my mom was, my mom's from Egypt and she could, she believed, like, I was the queen. And I remember I drove to Richmond dressed and had the whole bit, and the news director quickly saw my tape and said, no, no, no, I'm sorry, you're not ready for Richmond, but good luck. And I was like, I'm not ready. He's like, no, you're not ready. I go, is there something wrong with my tape? He goes, yeah, you're not good. You're green and you're not, you don't have it, but you need lots of at work, so bye bye.

Bye. I was like, bye bye. I still remember walking out, and he goes, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait. My buddy in Roanoke, he's gonna hire. He's hiring people. Smaller station than here. And I, you know, he's a few hours. He's like 3 hours from here. Why don't you drive there? So I was like, okay, roanoke. Okay. I still remember I called my mom. How was Richmond? I go, I don't want Richmond, ma. I'm going to Roanoke because I'm getting that job. You got it. You can do it. And I still remember driving to Roanoke, and I was like, I remember walking into the newsroom. I'm like, okay, this isn't as great, but I'll work here for sure. News director pops a tape in, watches it, stops it. He looks at me, and he goes, oh, you are so not ready for Roanoke. And I'm like, who's not ready for Roanoke? I didn't even know what the bar was, but apparently I was way below it. He goes, oh, you're green, and you're not that good, but, you know, I want to wish you good luck. You know, I think you might have a shot somewhere down the road, just not here.

And I kept trying to figure out what's wrong with this horrible tape I'm showing. And he goes, you know, see you later. And he goes, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. He goes, before you go, I got a buddy in Memphis. He's hiring, and you may be what he's looking for, blah, blah, blah. And I drove to Memphis. I drove across the great state of Tennessee. He could only. He had a small window to see me. I drove all night. I rolled up on this guy, Ray Pullman, who was a great guy, and he took my tape and he watched it, and he said, no, you're not ready for here either. And I was like, and he goes, you know, but I got a buddy. And I just kept driving. And I was wondering, as these rejections kept coming, sometimes three in one city, Birmingham, was ABC, NBC, CB's Dothan, Alabama, which is a map dot. And I was like, oh, wow, they have tv here. And the guy quickly looked at my tape and said, you are so not ready for Dothan, Alabama. I was like, oh, God, it's over. And as I was driving and getting rejected, I used to play high school basketball.

So I always believed that somewhere, somehow, like, someone's gonna pull it out, like there's a three pointer in your back pocket, like, you might hit it, so keep going. Cause you don't know second to go, it's all you need just like. And I kept driving and getting rejected. And after the 27th one, I was depleted and depressed. And my mom was, like, ready for me to come home and bring her back her car so she could get to work on time. And I remembered thinking they were right. I was roommates with the homecoming queen, who was also really smart and in journalism, and she was the one who was going to make it, not me. And that's kind of what I felt throughout much of that time. And that professor who said to me, I'm going to save you some time because they only take certain people in that industry. And I'm just, I think that you could be well suited for print or pr, a lot of things, but I just don't think that's your lane. And all those naysayers came rushing back. And so I was thinking to myself, yep, okay, so now what am I doing?

Pr. I don't even want pr. Like, I was into news. I liked all that stuff. And as I was driving home depressed and playing James Taylor, and because that's what I did, I was like, this is the worst. Fire and rain. I crank it up and continue driving home. And I remember I was lost because by then I was just driving aimlessly. And there was a sign, a physical sign that said, cb's, our eye is on you. Greenville, new center, 15. I was like, new center, 15. Okay, let me go. Let me go get that rejection. I need a map. I don't have a map. And that was when you needed a map. And so I went and in there, and I'll never forget this guy. He was 5ft tall. He's like, hey, girl. I was like, hey, I'm the news director. I'm like, hi. He goes, I was sports director. And then Joe Macione promoted me to news director. I was like, oh, my God, you're the news director. This is amazing. Anyway, here's the worst tape in history, is what my eyes were saying. And he took that tape, and I still remember it.

And I'm looking at this short guy taking my tape, sticking it in the machine, and I just practically have my hand out, like, give me that, that thing back so I can just. And he just kept watching it. And Jamie, I watched him watch that tape, and all of a sudden, like, blood was pumping, my heart was pounding. I'm like, oh, my gosh, this man is watching this horrible tape. He went past the part where everyone ejected it me with standing in front of the tridel house or whatever. It was so bad. And all of a sudden, he stops that tape, and he looks at me, and he goes, he was calling me hilda when I walked in, but I didn't even correct him because. What's your name? Hilda. All right, come on, girl. I was like, it doesn't matter. And he goes, hilda. And I go, yeah. He goes, I like what I see. I was like, I burst out into tears. That man single handedly changed the course of my life in that 1 minute. Well, you're not gonna work in Greenville. Cause this is the big city. You're gonna work in Greenwood, okay?

And you're gonna need your own car. You got a car? I was like, I'll get one. He goes, and you're gonna be driving around, and you're gonna carry a scanner and sleep with it. You're gonna get every fire, every shooting, every. I was like, I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it. Could you edit?

Yes.

I mean, all the things I couldn't do, but that man did it. So it reminded me that you don't need 27 people to love you. You just need to find one. And there's always one. You found your one. You found your one. That one moment on QVC, those ten minutes. You found it. You found your sweet spot. And I think the trouble is we often quit. I. Before it comes. And then what? Like, what would have happened? Sliding doors. If I had not seen that sign, then what? I would be working in pr, maybe. Would I be happy? I don't know. But I wouldn't have had this life. And I feel like sometimes, like you're wondering, like, when are my blessings coming? And I think, weirdly, sometimes your blessings come on the other side of the jump. They're waiting for you there. They're not coming here. Why are you sitting here? They're not coming to you while you're sitting here. Your blessings are over there until you risk it and take the jump. Then they'll come. But if you stay safe here and ask over and over, when's it my turn? When are my things coming?

Well, you have to risk two. And I feel like that's something that, that showed me, like, you jump and risk. My blessing was waiting at Stan Sandroni's door. I didn't know it. You just don't know when it's coming.

You know, with QVC, they rejected me for years, and I still kept going. Kept going. And so in my case, too, it was like finally getting the yes. And trusting my knowing that I was supposed to keep going.

Yes.

Even when everyone was saying no. And I'm just thinking about the person listening and watching us right now, who maybe they're on their 27th heartbreak, their 27th person cheated on them again, their 27th betrayal, the 27th manuscript rejection, or the 27th time they stopped themselves from even trying. And it just, when you're driving past that sign, you just had 27 other rejections. Your mom needs her car back.

A million reasons to go home.

A million reasons to go home. Was it. Did you have kind of like a whisper inside, like, okay, I'm supposed to stop or I'm gonna try again, or what made you stop? Versus just being like, you know what?

I don't know what made me stop. I think. I think I was truly and honestly depleted. And I think it was like a Hail Mary. I think I looked at it and I was like, last one. Like, last. And I did say to myself, like, if this is the 28th, I mean, look, how many signs do you need, Dan, before you're like, okay, because I've you. I'm sure you've asked yourself that, too. When are you being shown that you're supposed to reverse course or change course or when are you supposed to keep pounding the brick wall? But I think if you find yourself in the same relationship, job type, whatever it is, and why does this keep happening to me? I think that does raise a lot of questions. Like, there's something there that needs to be kind of sorted out inside.

I think, you know, Hoda, with, I used to care so much what people thought and if somebody, their words would stick and take root. Like, if I were in your situation and so many people over and over, you don't have what it takes for decades of my life that would take root and I would replay their words. And it's really been this journey for me of, like, getting still, praying, going. Do I feel that is true? Am I supposed to keep going? And I think about, about, look at you. Like, look at you. Look at you. You are the very top that you can possibly be in this profession. And then 27 knows. I just want everyone to hear this because this is so good in everybody's life right now. 27 knows. Thank God, for whatever reason you chose to do Hail Mary and stop at 28th and look at how everything has sort of unfolded right in your life.

I love it.

I just pray that people.

Yes, I think that's so important. And somebody said to me something on the show the other day, I was interviewing Sam Worthington for a show he's in. And he gave some profound advice and he said he heard it from somebody who heard it from somebody. So he didn't want to take credit for it. But he said, here's how life goes. You are surfing and you are riding a wave and you're on top of that wave and everybody's applauding. Oh, my God, look at Jamie, look at Hoda. Look at this one. Look at that. Wow, wow, wow. And you're on top. Well, what happens on a wave always, and this is part of life. And that's cool. This is all cool, is your wave goes up and your wave goes down. And behind you are others who are about to catch their wave and you can see them behind you. You're like, wow, I rode mine. Oh, that's. Oh, mine's done. Okay, way to go. And then you watch the next person come and ride their wave. But he was saying the magic of life comes from getting on your surfboard and paddling back out because you're going to catch a new wave, a different wave, a wave that's going to take you somewhere else, a wave that's going to be a different ride for you.

So we're all on these rides, and I think it's sometimes when people hit the peak of wherever their thing is, they're scared, like, oh, no, now what? Now what? I'm going to hang on. I want to ride. You can't ride on top forever, but you can choose another wave that's coming next and also acknowledging that others are coming after behind you who are also equally amazing. It's like, you know how when some people do a job and they're like, no one could ever replace me, and then suddenly there's another really good person, like, oh, that guy's pretty good. This guy's good, too. But it's acknowledging and then knowing that their wave, too will have its moment. But it's about the paddling back. And he was saying this in Hollywood because sometimes you're a star, and then sometimes people are like, oh, that star fell. And then you go back out and you ride another one. And it kind of works in all of life, whatever it is. It's like not everything will ride high, but it's about going back out and giving it another go. And it'll be brand new. It's a whole new experience.

You're not trying to catch your same wave. That wave is gone, but you're gonna find one that is super cool, that's gonna take you in another way. You're like, wow, I didn't know this was gonna feel this way to be on top of this guy.

You know something? I wanna just, like, honor for a second and call out that I'm so inspired by right now is you are so great and just at making space. And I'm just thinking, that's the name of your award winning podcast. I'm thinking about how your sister said when you were ending your relationship of eight years, as we all think to ourselves often, oh, well, what if I don't find anyone else? What if I'm alone? And so many people are holding onto that one wave still? The wave is gone, but they're still trying to hold the wave. And I'm just like this through line that I couldn't have anticipated in this interview, by the way, that I'm just in awe over is you have this knowing that you are going to bring a child into your life. And your partner's like, well, I'm going to work in the room for now. You're like, oh, no, no, no. We've got to make space.

We have to make space. We've got to make space.

Right? And then thinking about going through this profound growth in your own life, which I think is a lifelong journey, and just recognizing what you need to be happy and deciding to make space for that. Because if we still hold on to things that are good enough or fine or the relationship that we should just be grateful for and all, there's no space. And you're making space. And now you're like, oh, in my life right now, I have space for a fun Friday night.

Yes, that's what I have space for right now.

And when I know there's space for more, I'll know there's space for more. And you also kind of, like, with faith, declare the space that's coming. Like, oh, yeah, a new love also is coming. And I just find this so inspiring because probably one of the most common questions I ever get asked is people feeling that they're stuck and that they think their job is good enough, but they're not happy. They've always wanted to try something else, but they're playing it safe. Their relationship's not fulfilling, but they don't want to be alone. And it's just kind of this life where, and often when you talk to past generations well intended, you know, if we were blessed enough to be raised by well intended family or chosen family, a lot of them do say to us, like, oh, well, just be grateful. And they want us to just have a whatever their definition of success is and please enough people and have the right manners. And before you know it, we're people pleasers. We're trying to make everyone else happy, and we don't even know what we want anymore. And the thing I so fired up about right now is like, every person listening, Hoda, every person watching this right now, who, through your story and the things you're sharing, are gonna have revelations in their own life about, well, wait a minute.

Okay, maybe, you know, this is possible for me. Maybe I will do this. Maybe love is gonna come in this new form in my life. Maybe I need to love myself enough to honor my time and my space and go, what do I actually want?

Yes.

What do I actually want? Pleasing everyone else. What do I actually want? And I feel like I'm witnessing this on all of these levels right before me. And, you know, I want to say one more thing. Like, you so beautifully honor friends in your life that have changed your life. You're talking about your 60th birthday, and you're talking about honoring Jenna and honoring Savannah and honoring Maria Shriver and the impacts they've had on your life. And I just want to, for a moment, honor you for the things that you so vulnerably share because you are the person, you are the friend to so many people at home who don't have a savannah or a Jenna or a Maria in their life, but they have a Hoda who, like, is sharing these things. And I think that so many people, you know, we learn to believe things are possible in our lives also when we, when we see somebody else, that shows that to us. So I want to honor that just for a minute. And. And I also, you know, a couple rapid questions that if I don't ask them, everyone's gonna be really mad because people, first of all, people are obsessed with your dating life, and they're also just such big fans of the Today show and of so many different things.

And I think, in big part, they really experience life in friendship and in partnership with you in their home every day. So you recently shared on the Drew Barrymore show show that you went on a second date with a new person. The third date was coming.

Yes.

What's going on?

I did go on the third date, but I did kind of decide in that space because this person, who's a lovely human being, has a lot of kind of things that are being worked out that I think what I'm looking for more kind of just simplicity. And I think when you reach a phase, like, I was very much a fixer in life, you know, I'll help. I'll do what I'm. And then sometimes you're like, you know what? Let's just pause that instinct, because that is my instinct.

I'll help.

I'll make it better. What do you need? How can we do it? So that has been tabled beautifully. Like, nothing funky. All good. He's very cute, by the way. Extremely handsome. I'll show you a picture after.

Okay?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah. But tabled for now.

Tabled for now. And have you met anyone new?

No, I haven't yet. Not yet is always my thing. And again, it was funny cause Maria was saying to me, what do you have room for today? So as you look, are you seeking in this moment? And I think I'm into the addition process. Someone who's adding and not subtracting, like, in this moment. I just want addition because I feel like when I kind of map my days out and see what free time do I really have?

Yeah.

It's so limited that you want to make sure that when you have it, that you're spending it with someone who's in the addition business of your life.

Yeah. That's so beautiful. There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self worth. When you build your self worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy. How to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, worthy is for you. In worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self love, unlearn the lies that lead to self doubt and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. Overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome. Achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them and so much more. Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self doubt and unshakable self worth. Get your copy of Worthy plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you@worthybook.com. or the link in the show notes below.

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Can you share that? Because I think that that is a very hard thing for us to do, whether it is our co anchor on the Today show or it's a friend.

I totally agree.

And it was so profound when I.

Heard you say that. Well, when we were talking about possibly working together, Kathie Lee said, before we do anything formal, I want you to come meet my family. And I found that so incredibly beautiful, I couldn't believe it. So I went out to her house in Connecticut and I met Cody and Cassidy, who everyone saw grow up on Regis and Kathie Lee and I met Frank, her husband, who was an NFL legend and a world class broadcaster and all the things. And, you know, my brother was like, you're meeting Frank Gifford. Oh, my God. Like he was calling me. And I was so, I was sort of in awe of frank anyway. And he said, well, hoda, can I talk to you for a minute? And I said, sure. And he said, well, you know, I like you a lot. You know, we've just met, we're talking blah, blah, blah. And he said, but I know what makeshi an on air team work, what makes any team work? And he said, you have to trust that they're going to catch you when you fall because if you're afraid of falling and someone's not going to catch you, you're going to play it safe.

And you're not going to have a good show. It's not going to be true or real. It's going to be, you're constantly going to be stutter stepping. And he said, I don't know about you because I've only just met you. He said, but she's the most trustworthy person I've ever meth. And I thought to myself, my gosh, this is, this is so profound, because he said, you will have an award winning show. And sure enough, I start working with Kathie Lee. And she said to me, you know, she had lightning in a bottle with Regis. And, you know, she wondered if it could ever happen again. And strangely, it did. Like, it became an Emmy winning show and Kathy was more in the driver's seat and all these things happened. And I think it was trust. And I think it is interesting that you say in relationships, too, because for me to trust in a personal relationship was always much harder than in a professional one because you could already see what happens at the end of a professional relationship if you trust and it doesn't work, you're like, well, you know, okay, the show wasn't great, so what?

But when you're putting your soul in someone's hands and trusting them to carry it with kid gloves and honor you and, you know, protect your shadows and all those things, you know, that I always found much harder and which I think was probably why some previous relationships didn't work. I mean, I remember asking, this sounds really weird, but I had a 92nd street wide talk with Jennifer Lopez a long time ago, and I asked her if I were to line up all the men you've ever dated and asked them, what's the reason that the relationship didn't work? What common answer would they have? And she goes, oh, I'm going to turn that on you. What kind of common answer would they, you know, I was like, okay. And mine would probably be that I didn't need them enough. Like, I could do it on my own. I've got it. Which is another trust thing. And hers was, if I remember correctly, and I could be wrong, but it was something like they all say, I travel heavy. In other words, I have a big kind of inner circle that's with her a lot. And that core is the, is her kind of, you know, center.

And when you're dating, you're coming inside. You know, it was kind of like that. I have a lot of people around. I can't remember something like that. But I remember thinking about when she asked me, she was like, no, no, I'm turning it on you this time. And she makes a point. It's like, wow, you know, you really do have to surrender a little bit and not control it all and not say, I got it, because then they think, you don't need that. And when you don't need them, then they stop asking, and then you start resenting. Why didn't you ask? Well, you said you didn't need anything. I mean, I don't. What am I, a mind reader? And I think the other thing I'm learning as I go through my growth and relationships is you have to ask for what you want or you're not getting it. You can't assume they understand that you had a bad day and you're a little broody. You have to say, honey, I had the worst possible day. Don't be mad at me. I'm taking a sleeve of Ritz crackers. I'm going in the bed, and I'm watching the housewives.

Yes, come in later after I've fallen asleep, because I want to do it this way tonight and just say it, as opposed to keep calm, carry on, pretend. How was your day? You know, and go through life that way. Just be honest.

If you ever need company on FaceTime, I will facetime you with a. With a sleeve of Ritz crackers from my bed, watching real housewives.

I love it.

And we can do that, too.

Don't even know how they go in your mouth. It's like they melt. You don't even have to chew it. You just put it in, and one after the next, the whole sleeve is gone. In moments, the best.

Yes. How did you learn to speak up? Because there are so many people who don't think they're worthy of speaking their voice, or they think if I'm the real me, if someone saw the real me, then I will not be loved. And we're just so trained to be people pleasers. Have you done that your whole life?

No, I have nothing.

I was like, what age did you. Yeah. And what, when and how, Hoda, copy, you're gonna laugh.

2021, that's when. All those years. All those years, all through elementary school, all through junior high school, all through high school, all through college, all through all of my early working, all of my dating, it was, let me be what you need. Let me be what you need. What do you need? I can be that. And people saw it as like, oh, everybody likes you, but in reality, you can't really be liked by everybody, because if you're unique and who you are, like, you could be the most. You could be the sweetest orange in the bunch. And some people don't like oranges, but you're an orange, and that's the way it goes. So I think it was years and years and years of that and finally being able to say, okay, so that person doesn't jive with me or this or that and realizing that that's okay. Like, I'm okay with that. And also, I want to reflect it because I don't want kids who are making everybody else feel good at their own expense. I want kind kids, but I want kind kids who know who they are, I who know that what is right and wrong.

I want kind children, but I don't want people who are so worried about pleasing that they're going to become me, what I was. And I don't want that.

You know, what an incredible shift, because, you know, in your fifties, that's when it happened. You step into that while you're also now the mom of two young daughters.

Yes.

Like, think about how different the example they have would be and how profound. This is why, you know, the theme of this episode, just this intention. It's like it's never too late.

It's never too late.

Best days are ahead right now, no matter what your age, you could start building self worth. Right. And for you to start speaking your voice, saying what you mean, saying how you feel.

And if your friends say you're not being yourself or we don't recognize it's okay. Because I do think part of that is understanding. Like, you are taking a boat through life, and you have people who are in your boat, and some people are only meant to go for a while, and then they're meant to hop off. They taught you the lesson. And some people are going to be in there for life. Some people are in for ten minutes. Some people are in there for five years. Some people are in there for the whole ride. But I think it's recognizing that this is me now. This is what I value. This is what I care about. And to say you're not who you used to be. Right? I'm not who I used to be. That's right. And that's okay. But I think, you know, it's that whole thing. You attract what's within you. You end up bringing people into your life who are sort of like you. And I feel like that is. That's what happens when you evolve and change, and it's like in a relationship. I interviewed someone who's gave this advice, and I believe it.

Every few years, reintroduce yourself to your husband or to your wife. I don't like Applebee's anymore. I loved it for years, honey. But we always go on Thursdays. I know, and I loved it. But now I want to go to Houston's. I like Houston's. I like the chicken salad with the peanut sauce. Like, that's what I like, by the way. It's so good at Houston's, if you've ever tried.

I have not had that salad.

Girl, once you have it, it's over. And the artichoke cheese dip, whatever. But anyway, it's like, this is me now because I'm different than I was five years ago, three years ago, two years ago. But it's making a statement. And then you are reintroducing yourself because you're evolved. Look at you. I mean, look at me. We're evolved. We're different. And we can be. We're allowed. We don't have to be the person who we were. And I think that that, to me, is part of it.

That's so good, because so many people, they hear, like, you're changing, as if that's a negative thing. Right? But it's like, oh, no. Yeah, I am. And it's actually maybe something to consider in your own life if you. But a lot of people don't. And that's okay.

I remember my mom. She does this, and it taught me a lot about evolving and not being stuck or not being, you know, wanting to change it. Her whole advice has always been to me, like, keep falling in love with whatever I go. What do you mean? With a restaurant, with a song, with a movie, with an experience, with whatever. Once you are falling in love. Like, if you feel stuck, which a lot of people, I'm sure do. We all have and will again. But it's like, that's the time to experience my mom. Whenever she gets off the Amtrak, I made a new friend. Look, come here, Betty. I'm like, hi. You know, I'm picking my mom. But that Betty's so funny. She has a garden, and she's telling me Betty's whole story. We're standing on the Amtrak track, and I'm listening. And my mom is so delighted by this person who she met or this food that she tried. And that's the vibrancy that keeps you, like, in this beautiful part of life. Instead of the same restaurant on Tuesday, every thought, I meet my friend for coffee. That's how the weeks go. And that's how the months go, and that's how the years go.

And that's your life. You've just described your life. Thursdays, Wednesdays, Tuesdays. That's a week. That's a month. That's a year.

And don't you feel like also, if that person is supposed to be in your life, you will continue to fall in love with the same person or the same daughter or the same friend and just be delighted? Yes.

Because your kids are growing in front of you, you have to keep evolving. But with your partner. Yes. It's like, wow. Jenna and her husband are just that couple. She always talks about how Henry is evolving with her. And I remember we were on some shoot, and we were. Jen and I were in Bermuda doing something. It happened to have been her anniversary. So I got up early, and Henry was there. And he goes, come on, get in the water. I go, it was freezing. It was like, I don't know. He goes, come on, it feels good. Try it. And I looked at him, and I was like, okay. And I dove in, and Jenna came up. You dove in? You're kidding me. Cause she goes, your hair and the keratin, you just got right in. Like, oh, I got right in. But I saw what he does. He's like, come on. He goes, try it. He goes, you'll burn a ton of calories. We don't have to spin. It'll be amazing. And the water feels so. And all of a sudden, so I was imagining what that relationship is. It's. Try it. Try it.

Let's do this together. Let's try something. And when Jenna arrived, I was like, I get it. I totally get your thing. And I always got her and Henry, but I get it more now. She actually showed me a picture that he had sent her, and it was of her fishing. And he wrote underneath her, delighted when she pulled a fish up. And underneath it, he wrote, I love this girl. Like, isn't that like that? Like, that's it. Evolving, growing, changing. Noticing the little things. Like, it's there.

So beautiful. Yeah. And falling in love all over. My husband and I when we worked together. Oh, my gosh. Cause we built a cosmetics together. It was 100 hours weeks, and for over a decade. When we eventually sold the business, I was like, we went through a couple years. We were like, who are we?

Who are we?

And just, like, evolving into really knowing who we truly are. And I am so grateful for what you just said. The show, the Jamie Karna show podcast just launched, and he calls me freaking out that it made the top 100 all these things. And he says, now, I haven't listened to the first episode yet, but I have it playing. I have it playing on my iPad so that you get credit for a download. And I'm like, that's love. That's it, right? And I just like, those little things just made me fall in love because I'm like, he cares. Sometimes you just want to know. Like someone just tries and they care, and he knows nothing about podcasts or anything else. He's like, you're going to get credit for a download. I'm like, thank you, I love you. Like, it's just so sweet. I know you've talked about your conversations with Goddesse. Do you feel like, do you know with absolute certainty God exists, or do you ever doubt God exists?

I've never doubted it. Not for 1 second. No, I was mad at God when my dad died. Like I had those kinds of things. But in terms of my feeling of God existing, I've never once wavered. Like, I feel like I feel his presence on me. I feel like each morning I'll write down something that says, dear God, thanks for this precious day, this day that will only come once this way. Show me your lessons and your love. Show me everything and I don't want to miss it. And I feel like it's never wavered from me and it's only gotten stronger. You know, my daughter had an illness, and I had so many epiphanies about God's presence that I felt like kind of took over for me. And it just strengthened it, strengthened it all.

When you think of your daughters as grown women and someone asks them about their mom, what do you hope that they say?

I hope that they say that we were raised by a mother who dreamt about us, prayed for us, and hoped for us. We felt like we were loved and accepted that she loved us just as we were. She didn't want us to be any different than what we were and that she taught us about life's possibilities. And I hope that they say, a long, long, long time ago, my mom was on tv, we heard, but we don't really remember that part. I hope they remember what it feels like to be held by me. And I hope that they, which I always tell them that no matter what, I'll always be there in some form. And that they feel my presence, protecting them, loving them and watching over them. I hope that's what they say.

When you imagine your daughters as grown women, what do you hope they think and say about themselves?

I hope one of the first things they say is that they love who they are, that they're not pretending that they're just themselves, that they didn't have to do what we had to do through life. I hope that they say that they know everything about themselves. I want them to know all the things about their background, their extended family and the family that chose them. I want them to know how big and beautiful their world is, but also how small the world is, how small it all is. Races and colors and creeds and religions. The world's tiny. The world's super tiny. And I think that, I hope that they know exactly who they are and that one of the things that they will do, and I think this is them innately, is to spend their life doing something of service, something in service of others. And they're already doing it without me even mentioning it.

Just for the person listening today who feels like their ship has sailed, and all of a sudden they're thinking, well, wait a minute, are my best days ahead? What do you say to them?

I say this, first of all, if you believe it is true, then it will be so. If you believe that your best years have sailed by, you're right. It's like what I tell my kids. If you think you can or you think you can't, you're right. So here's what we have to do. We, all we have to do is do a mind adjust. That's all we have to do. We have to change the way we look at things. I'm standing here at about to turn 60. I've got a seven year old and a five year old and a career I could only dream about. I am in a place in my life where I feel blessed. It's possible. I'm looking at Oprah, who just turned 70, who's living her best life right now. I see her down the road and I think, wow, that's what 70 is like. Cool. That's going to be amazing.

She runs on the beach.

Of course she does.

I'm like, when's the last time I've run?

I don't know.

Right?

But that's what she, so I think that possibility is around. And if you're around people who tell you there are not possibilities, find new friends and let's start clean slate.

Yeah. I love it, Hoda.

I love you.

I love you. I love you. On the show, everyone gets a special gift. I wore these sneakers because I love those sneakers.

Sparklers.

And then, oh, my God, I love.

First of all, your color palette used.

To die for this is special for you. Thank you. Because everyone on the Jamie Kranlima show gets this.

And this.

Can I open it right now? Yes.

Okay. Are these your sneakers?

Are you a nine and a half? Did I get this right?

Yes.

You're nine and a half.

I'm a nine and a half.

I researched to be able to find these, and we're gonna write on them so that they have zero monetary value.

I am dying.

Are you up for writing something on mine? I'm gonna write something on yours. And this is like a tradition on my show. I want to know. It's funny. I wrote on Oprah's and she wrote on mine. And then all her pictures online, I see her wearing the written on shoe and I'm like, yes, yes, yes.

Okay. This is so cute.

So I'll write on yours and then let me give you one of mine.

I love you.

I love you. Hoda. You don't understand. I prepped for hours. No, like maybe eight or 9 hours to get 37 questions. I have not looked at one.

Well, because you're amazing. That's why.

Love you. You are amazing. Okay, let's see.

I wrote and then flip it.

I am in love with you.

I love yours. Blessed to be a blessing. Oh, I love it, I love it, I love it. Okay. You're gonna see mine in pictures, too.

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