Your best days are ahead. People are obsessed with your love life. Like, obsessed. Then you breaking things off in 2022 in your eight-year relationship and engagement.

Were they tied? Yeah, I think so. Sometimes two great human beings together isn't quite enough to make it work. When I close my eyes and I envision the romantic part of my life, I can see it very clearly. I see it. I know it is coming for me. For the first time in my life, I am me. Someone's meeting me. My sister asked me, I remember she said, Aren't you nervous that you won't meet someone? And I said, No, I'm actually not. So is love coming? Yes, it's coming. I ask myself, today, what do I have room for today? What do I have space for? So if I'm honest, I have space for a Friday night. That's all right now.

So powerful is that you are saying, Here's what I have room for. I have room for a Friday night. It's a great Friday night. Yeah, a fun one. A fun Friday night. And a lot of people are like, Oh, they meet someone and then they don't even ask themselves, What do I have space for? And before they know it, They're living someone else's life or trying to make someone else happy. You're so clear.

He said, I don't need a minute. I go, What? He goes, The answer is yes. And I go, Did you say yes? He goes, I said yes. I sobbed on his chest. I go, She's here. She goes, She's here. I go, She's here. Am I coming now? Is she here? She's here. I was weeping. To think that a dream that seemed so far away could become a reality to a woman in her 50s. It was pretty shocking, and it was a life-changer. There are always going to be people who disagree with choices, and I will never forget this. I read it and I felt nauseous. I can take stuff about me and how I dress, how I look, what I said, who cares? This one, it was like a knife in heart, and I sat there and cried. I was crying.

You have now adopted two girls. Yes. In your 50s? Yes. In your 50s. Do you want more?

You're so cute because I get signs.

What I'm thinking about right now is how many people through your story, who are in their 50s or any other age through your story, are now like, Oh, what's possible in my life? Why not? Maybe I'm going to launch the business. Yes. Maybe I'm going to wear the freaking bikini. Maybe I'm going to get on the dating app. Maybe I'm going to decide, Oh, no, I just want some fun Friday nights. Amen. Right? This is what's so beautiful. Do you believe in your core that your best days are ahead? Yes.

I believe 1,000%. Hallelujah.

Yes. Wow.

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Hoda Copy. Welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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I asked everyone online, what's one thing you would ask Hoda Copy? Do you want to guess the number one thing?

No, I have no idea.

What is it? Oh my gosh. First of all, there are so many great questions that came in, but people are obsessed with your love life. Like, obsessed. I have been reading about how you might... Is Hoda dating Eddie? And then I just met Eddie. All the things. I read everything. You went through a profound experience of deep inner work in 2021, which we'll talk about. And then you breaking things off in 2022 in your eight-year relationship and engagement. Were they tied?

Yeah, I think so. I mean, just Joel is one of the best people I know, and he really is a great human being. And I feel like I'm a pretty great human being, but sometimes two great human beings together isn't quite enough to make it work. And I think when people are growing at different paces, it's hard to be in sync. And I think a lot of people are probably in these situations. And it's like, I get it. Some people, one person is growing, one person isn't, or one person wants it this way, and one person wants it that way. And I think it's realizing... When I close my eyes and I envision the romantic part of my life, I can see it very clearly. I see it. I know it is coming for me. Because for the first time in my life, really, since after Hoppen, I am me. Someone's meeting me. Not the version that you might want or not the version that I'll twist a little bit to fit your needs or what is appealing to you. But this is who I am. And I feel like once you get there, your heart rests.

You're like, Oh, this is what it feels like. So when I close my eyes and see it, I see it. I don't see his face. It's not like I'm, Oh, I want X, Y. I don't even care about X, Y, and Z, tall, Short, bald, not bald. I don't care. But I know the essence, and I can sense the soul of that person. And I think there's something... My sister asked me, I remember she said, Aren't you nervous that you won't meet someone?

And I said, No, I'm actually not.

And I mean, lie detector pulse? No. Because I know the way my life is that that too is coming. So many things have taken so much time to show up in my life, and I don't mind it one bit. I am embracing the fact that I have an incredible like, ladder part of life, one I couldn't have dreamt of, one I would have never even imagined possible. Like, one that I'm like, Wait, what? Me? So is love coming? Yes, it's coming. When is it coming? I don't know. Right now, if you were to ask me today, is love coming? I ask myself, today, what do I have room for today? What do I have space for? So if I'm honest, I have space for a Friday night. That's all right now. Yeah. Got two young kids. I've got a busy couple of jobs. I've got my mom who I'm helping. We're got some stuff going on with my sister, the whole thing. So how much room do I have? That's how much room now. Yeah. Later, it'll be different. But I don't want to romanticize like, oh, I want this, I want this, and realize that I don't have room for it right now anyway.

But I know that when everything aligns, there will be space and room and an open heart for.

It is so powerful that you are declaring it with full I feel the fullness of this room.

Oh, I believe it.

I feel the knowing. You're like, oh, yeah, love's coming. Oh, no.

I do. Like, without hesitation. And I wonder, and I've thought about, I feel the feeling, but I can't see the person, but I feel what that feeling is like.

You know what's so powerful is that you are saying, here's what I have room for. I have room for a Friday night. It's a great Friday night. Yeah, a fun one. A fun Friday night. And a lot of people are like, oh, they meet someone and then they don't even ask themselves, what do I have space for? And before they know it, they're living someone else's life or trying to make someone else happy. You're so clear.

I feel like I am. And I also am cognizant of relationships are compromised. Look, two different people from two different worlds in a shared space is nothing but compromise. And I've learned that over the years with relationships. There are going to be issues like I'm sure you have with your husband that I've had with people in my past who have dated who like, here comes the issue and every Christmas this issue comes up, whatever it is. The family coming, I don't know, whatever. And you know it's going to rear its ugly head. Here it is again. Oh, there it is. And there it goes. Because that's the rhythm. Certain things are just part of life. Who you get on with, who you don't. An issue with this one or that one or the family or whatever. But I try to remember that when I choose someone and they are exactly who I've chosen, like if I chose to marry a plumber and then he said, I have to get up in the middle of the night and fix a pipe. And I said, Why are you getting Why are you leaving? He's like, Because you married a plumber.

That's what I do. It's like being knowledgeable about who I choose and understanding his package and what he's about.

Anywho. He might have to wake up and fix pipes. Exactly. It may happen.

But anyway, it's like knowing those kinds of things. So it's not like I'm living in a fantasy world that's like, You come on my terms, and then... I get it. He's going to come to me.

But you're not betraying yourself. You're saying, here's the space. And in the person for this space, I'll find them now. And then you'll know when it's a person that feels right for more space, right?

More space. Yes. That's when you realize, yes, now you're in Because to get into that sacred inner circle is a privilege. And I think it shouldn't be taken lightly or someone who's fine or good enough or that thing.

You attended and experienced It was called Hoffman in 2021.

It was a game changer. Like all the things I've ever done, minus my kids. And it changed everything. It changed the way I parent, changed the way I see the world, changed everything. And it was of all the decisions I've made, minus Haley and Hope, it was the best one. Haley, Hope, and Hoffman. Okay.

Wow. When When you went there, did it change everything in your entire life, your relationship, everything?

Yes, it did. It was part of what was something that brought things to light. I think a lot of reasons people are afraid to go there is because they wonder, Oh, is this going to blow up my life that is now something I'm comfortable with? And I think it does that it shines a light. It reveals as opposed to changes, just speeds up the process.

Wow. What did you learn there? That was so...

I just learned about not pretending, about being authentic, about knowing what you deserve. It's a lot of similar things to the themes in your book, but it's like good enough isn't enough, things like that. And you also unearth a lot of family patterns and childhood stuff and why you do the things you do. And that helps you see clearly into the future. You're like, do I want to continue that pattern? I can see where it came from, and I know I do it. But does that mean I'm just locked in? That's my road from here on out. And the answer is It is not. And just to be able to know that is like, you're like, oh, wait. And sometimes you can actually see if your mother pretend is someone who yells, and you're like, I don't want to be yelling, but you find yourself yelling at your kids sometimes. You imagine her as a little girl and her mother yelling and what that felt like. And so you see it from a different... Everything's from a different point of view, and it helps you go, Oh, I see that now. And life is not so much a blame game, but a way of going, Oh, let me just break that pattern today.

Let me try that.

I love when I... I've read so much the past couple of years about how we attract the a level of love that we love ourselves, and we attract the level of love that we believe we're worthy of. And I have just taken such a fresh look at friendships, and even I look at past relationships I was in now, too. Romantic relationships. And I was like, oh, that's why I stayed. You know what I mean? And all that. So what areas of your life did it impact the most? Because this was 2021.

Yeah, everything. I I mean, yeah. How I just navigate through life, how I am as a mother was profoundly changed, how I viewed myself. I mean, I was like, oh, I have confidence. Oh, yeah, I think I'm good at this. And then you realize as you peel back the layers, you're like, wow, that's just skin deep here. So I need to really dig in. This place was... Look, I haven't spoken like this about a place because we've all tried different things. But I feel like if you really want a change in your life, if you really are tired, if you really say, I could go like this till I'm 80 or not. This is the not.

Yeah. Did you know that was 2021? Did you know going into it, were you just in a space where you just wanted to grow, or did you know you were craving... Something wasn't quite right?

I have a dear her friend, Maria Shriver, who I worship. She's also a very, very good friend of Oprah's, too. They're like a little girl group. And so Maria, who has done everything imaginable when it comes to a self-improvement. She has eaten with the Dalai Lama, walked with Thichnad Khan. She's lived with nuns. She's read all the books, done all the things, meditated, gone to this place or that place. And she came back and said to me, Hoda, I've done something that was life-changing. And she said, I don't want to tell you too much because part of the magic of this place is going in not knowing. Because once you see everything coming, it loses some of the umph. So it's not... I get why she did it that way. But she said, If you want to be forever changed... And I looked at her and she looked different. I said, You look different. She goes, What do you mean? I go, You look different. You look different to me. You look lighter. And she goes, I feel it. And this place takes away all of your vices that you would use otherwise. In other words, drinking, exercising, whatever your thing is that puts your stress at bay, they ask you not to do that thing so that they can see where it's coming from, because you can exercise your stress away tomorrow, and then it'll be back again on Thursday.

And you got to exercise again. Otherwise, here it comes, and here it comes here. Or you can shop it away, or drink it away, or eat it away. With all the things that we do.

Eat it away.

All the things we do. What were your things that was your thing? Mine was eat and exercise, both things. Sometimes I'd be like, I have to exercise or else. But it shows you that now it's laid bare. Here's that thing. Now sit with it. Now let's figure it out. So I think it helps you because, I mean, You hear everybody say, Do the work, and you're like, What does that mean? What does that even mean, do the work? Journal? Get up for 20 minutes and meditate? What does it mean? But I think once you start addressing the things that have been tripping you up your whole life, you go, Oh, okay, let's not do that this time. Let's try to be better that time. So I think it was really profoundly helpful to me.

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You have said that the best things in your life have come after 50. Can you share about that?

Can you imagine, I turned 50, Happy birthday to you. And you would imagine, and everyone has a thought about that moment, what is that going to feel like? Or or what has it felt like? I think in that moment, most of the things that you wish, hoped, and prayed for, if they weren't there, you wonder like, Uh-oh, are they ever coming? So when it came to wanting children was something that I had always thought about, dreamt of, prayed for, hoped for, all the things. But in my life, I felt like it wasn't to be, and I kept thinking like, Why isn't it to be? I had an early marriage, and then I was diagnosed with breast cancer, and everything happened that way. I was like, Well, what does that mean? And hastily, a doctor said, Well, freezing your eggs doesn't really make sense at this stage because of X, Y, and Z. And all of a sudden, you're sitting here thinking to yourself, did I miss that? And maybe I did. And I was thinking to myself, don't complain. You have a beautiful... Like your mom, your sister, your brother, your people in your life, your friends, this, that.

You have a beautiful life and a job that is supporting us. So I was thinking to myself, let's just say thank you. And so that was good enough. So I in the good enough phase of my life. That's good enough. I'm lucky. Stop complaining. And every now and then someone would pop up who has it worse. And you're like, see, that was another sign to say thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. And I did say thank you. And I still remember this like it was yesterday, but I was walking down the street with my dear friend, Jen Miller, who I've loved since I moved to New York. And she and I have such a soul connection. And she was chatting away, and she said, Well, you and I, we never wanted kids. And as we were walking, I literally stopped and looked at her and I said, Jen, I said, actually, I always did. And she said, You never once said it to me in all these years. Like, what do you mean? And I said, well, I didn't say it because it couldn't be. So I'm not going to say something that's impossible.

It's like me saying, I'm going to the moon tomorrow. It's not happening. And when I said it, she goes, Is that why you always said you wanted to be a teacher? Because I always said, later in life, I'll be a teacher. I said, yes, I wanted a summer camp. I wanted to be a teacher. I wanted all the things that involve kids. And then all of a sudden, the way the universe works is once you speak something out loud, it can be a whisper to a best friend. It can be a whisper in the mirror to yourself. It can be whatever. Whatever form it comes in, as long as it's verbalized, written down, whatever. All of a sudden, here comes the universe chasing me going, It's possible, girl. And so, Sandra Bullock, I saw some story about her and Louis. She's adopting from New Orleans. I was like, Wait, what? And so I googled, of course, Sandra Bullock. How old is Sandra Bullock? She was my exact age. I was like, She's my age? She did it? It's possible? And then when I went away to the Olympics in Rio, and I remembered seeing an image of a small boy who was covered in soot.

It was like a war-torn area. And his his picture captivated me, and I started crying. I was like, somebody needs me. I kept thinking somebody needs me, too. Not only do I need somebody, but somebody needs me. And when I got back, I went to Joel, who I was dating at the time and had been dating for probably, I don't know, maybe... He wanted to move in together. So he was like, let's move in, let's move in. Let's move in. And I was like, okay. I said, I can't move in with him and keep this secret that I really, really want to have kids. Now he has a grown daughter in law school. So I said to Joel, Hey, before we move in, I just want to have a talk with you. And he was like, Okay. I said, This is not going to be a quick answer, so I want you to marinate over this. Don't answer me today. Don't even answer me tomorrow. Come back next week. Come back in two weeks. But this is an important question for me. And he was like, Oh, God, what is this? I'm dating this girl for I don't know how many months.

And I said, I would like to explore adoption with you. And he said, I don't need a minute. I go, What? He goes, The answer is yes. And I go, Did you say yes? He goes, I said yes. I sobbed on his chest. We moved in. I filled out the forms, and there was a little room upstairs. There's a bedroom and a little room. And I said, That'll be the baby's room when the baby comes in. And he goes, Well, okay, we'll all use it as my den to work out of until the baby comes. And I said, No, honey, you can't do that. He's like, Why not? I go, Because we have to make room. You have to make room for her or him. There has to be space. So let's leave it empty and let's see what happens. We fill out the paperwork. November comes, December comes, and we have Christmas and all that stuff. It's January. All of a sudden, I'm sitting in my office at work and I'm minding my own business. They said, It might take a year or five years. They tell you all this stuff. I'm like, Well, whenever it comes.

So meantime, we'll just live. And I still I remember, I looked at my phone because it was buzzing and it said Ashley Project, and I called it the project. And she said, if I ever text you, you call me immediately because everything is time sensitive. So I dialed her number But right before, I still remember, I sat at my desk, I took a big exhale and I looked at the clock, and I had a yellow pad, and I started scribbling. I was like, Oh, my gosh, 11:53. I said, this is it. This is the moment. This is the before and after. My life's about to change. It was spilling out of me, and I took a deep breath, and I dialed the phone, and Ashley goes, She's here. I go, She's here? She goes, She's here. I go, She's here. Am I coming now? Is she here? She's here. I was weeping. We went, we got Haley, brought her home. And in that moment, as I was holding her, I remembered thinking to myself, how well she fit, right here, a child who I did not give birth to, a child who I loved since forever, as I told her.

And when I held her, she just fit like she had been born there. And the love that I felt for that little girl was beyond anything I'd ever comprehended in my lifetime. I held her on the plane home, protective, and just wanted... I kept thinking to myself, Oh, my God, this is how life changes. And you who knows that other side of that coin, it was so beautiful and meaningful to me. I knew in that moment, and it's funny, I'm trying to remember my age. I think she's now seven. So I was probably 52 by the time it all happened. And I was thinking to myself, look at this. Look at this. And I called Sandra Bullock because I was like, Holy moly. And she said, you are about to enter a part of your life that you never imagined possible. And I said, I didn't think it was possible until I saw you doing it. So to think that a dream that seemed so far away could become a reality to a woman in her 50s was pretty shocking, and it was a life-changer. Yeah. Blessings. Yeah.

I know I've shared this with you before, but my mom, who adopted me, she passed this last year. I cannot imagine loving a mom more than I love her, and I was adopted, and hearing you with... You have two baby girls, two girls. You just felt that instantly. I love that you said she's here.

She's here. That's all it was is she's here. She's here. And I think I'll never experience the joy of birth. However, The feeling of hearing on the other end of the phone, those two words was, to me, the great miracle of life. And I think to know what's possible, I I think often we are, everything is about years and time. And just to know that although it is the most beautiful thing I've ever done, there are always going to be people who disagree with choices. And I will never forget this. I was home and I got a real letter in the mail. A letter. And sometimes people figure out where you live or whatever, and they write you with something, Can you send me a picture? Or, I saw this recipe. I don't know, whatever it might be.

Hoda, where did you get your dress?

Yeah. And it's, letters aren't as common anymore, but you still get those. And I opened this letter and she wrote in her handwriting, so in other words, she took a piece of paper and a pen and wrote, How horribly irresponsible that you would do something like that to a little girl. And she wrote on and on about, You are setting your child up for a terrible childhood. And she went on and on about who knows how long you'll be here and on and on. And I read it and I felt nauseous.

Is it because you're 52? Yeah.

And she was basically wagging her finger saying, what a horrible choice you made. And we know because we've had naysayers and people who are cruel or unkind. But that one, I can take stuff about me and how I dress, how I look, what I said, who cares? This one was like, and it was like a knife in my heart, and I sat there and cried. I was crying. I was like, and maybe I thought, Why am I crying? Maybe because I worry that there's a part of her that was right. Maybe that was why I'm a mess. And then I remembered, a very important fact, my father died when he was in his early 50s. And you don't know when life's going to begin or end. You don't know where the last day will come. You don't know. So if you don't love because you're worried about when your last day is coming, then you That'll be it. And then I started wondering, I wonder if she was so angry with that pen writing and finding my address and putting a stamp on it and mailing it, that maybe she regreted a choice in her life.

I was trying to think of all the things, but it does remind you that you have to be strong in your choices because as we both know, there are going to be people coming with sledge hammers saying, Why did you do that? Why are you like that? Why did you dress like that? Why did you do that? That thing. I didn't doubt it, but I guess for all of us, we all have a tiny shadow that worries. I do want to make sure my kids are cared for forever. Yeah.

I'm sure that she probably has told herself the story that she is too old for something. Yes. I wonder. And then now she's transmitting. You see, if we don't transform our pain. We transmit our pain. That's true. Right? So we see that everywhere, all over online right now. What I think about Hoda is you sharing that you have now adopted two girls in your 50s. Yes. In your 50s. Do you want more?

You're so cute because I get signs like, I have held on to all of our baby stuff, all of it, because here's the truth about life. I keep meeting people who remind you that your heart's ability to expand is beyond measure. Yes. And someone said, if you have the love, the space, the time, and you can take care of a child who needs it, who might otherwise have a life that is not great, why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? I have not closed the door because I think life is really interesting And I always think that when you add something to your family, when you add, when you have a new family member, for some people, when you have a pet, it enriches it all. Your kids learn more. They are more. They're better. I think you're making a better hole. And why not have more great goodness, if possible?

You know what I think about? I think about the moment you are like, wait a minute. Sandra Bolak is my age, googled, made the decision, talked to your partner at the time, made this decision, and now you're here with two daughters. I can't believe it. And I think I think about you sharing this, and yeah, you're going to... Anytime we do anything, it's going to come with people that don't get it, that project their own stuff onto us. But what I'm thinking about right now is how many people, through your story, who are in their 50s or any other age, through your story, are now like, Oh, what's possible in my life? Why not? Maybe I'm going to launch the business. Maybe I'm going to wear the freaking bikini. Maybe I'm going to to get on the dating app. Maybe I'm going to decide, Oh, no, I just want some fun Friday nights. Amen. Right? This is what's so beautiful. And then on top of it... Oh, my gosh. On top of it, your career Here, your career, you are turning 60. I'm turning 60. Turning 60. Yes. And how does that feel? And do you believe in your core that your best days are ahead?

Yes.

I believe 1,000 Yes, 100 %. Yes. 60 is coming. And usually, remember the way it used to be? It was like, oh, no, no, no, no. I am so wide open because each decade is proving like there are fresh starts, new beginning and so many new things. 50 is approaching, and at work, they're like, Do you want to look, we're doing a... You're going to do a big thing. You're for it. I go, Yes, I am so for it. And I also think, what I was thinking about as I'm turning 60 is often it's like you receive a lot of love, and I think that's amazing. But I was telling some people at work who I'm friendly. I said, I feel like I am here solely because of people who have shown me the wague. And I like to give people flowers, too. Sometimes on your birthday, I'm all for, Wow, this feels good. Let me receive. But I feel like it's also a thank you period in life where you're like, Maria Shriver, you changed the way I perceive life. And that person deserves their flowers. Jenna, who has changed so much of how I navigate my way through life.

Savannah, who has given me advice that has changed the path that I'm taking. When you think about all that stuff, but I feel for me, I feel like there's a repotting happening for me. I don't know how to describe it, but I feel like certain times in life you have to pull it up by the roots and see where you land and in what soil and how does it work? Because for each phase of my career, I feel like I have been repotting. I went from Dateland to working with Cathy Lee, which was a whole new, weird, crazy experience. And then after '50, working with Savannah, which was the idea that you're hosting one of the top morning shows in the country, seemed unattainable.

And first female duo. And first female duo. To co-ing, you're so badass.

Can I tell you something totally weird? I walked into a SoulCycle class after they announced it, and you know how they always do birthdays. Yay, happy birthday, Mary Smith. Happy birthday. And they bring out a cupcake. So I'm on the bike and everyone's applauding. I'm like, Oh, my God, we have a cupcake. I was looking for the girl with the birthday, and they were looking at me. I go, What? They go, You're a first. I go, We're a first? They go, You and Savannah are first? I go, Oh, my God. And they go, Now we're showing... And one lady said to me, My girl, who is a young girl, will now realize that that is a possibility. It doesn't have to look a certain way.

And so it did feel... Like, my whole body.

It did feel like a real change moment. And I think it's understanding and realizing, like, possibilities. This is the job where everyone, quote, talks about, I a, lack of a better word, a shelf life. Like, okay, great. Well, now look around. Robin Roberts is in her 60s. Oprah Winfrey just turned 70. Gail is about to turn 70. I'm about to turn 60. You look around, Savannah is in her 50. You look around at the women who are driving the bus in this industry, and that's what you see. You don't see- Hallelujah. Yes. You don't see a 25-year-old going, Oh, you see this? So it's all ahead. And so I think that's part of it.

You know, to you, it's so funny. I have a whole lot. I'm not even listening. I have a whole lot. I'm not even listening to one of them. Okay. What's so exciting about this is you make history. You make history with the Today Show. Biggest job you can get in this industry. And I just am thinking about the person listening to this right now, watching us right now that may not know. If you love today's episode So too, my only ask is that you please click the follow or subscribe button for this show on your app and give it a rating or reveal, and then share this episode with everyone you believe in. Share it with another person in your life who could benefit from Post it and share it with others online or in your community who just might need the words and tools and the lessons in this episode today. You never know whose life you are meant to change today by sharing this episode. And thank you so much for joining me today. And before you go, I want to share some words with you that could not be more true. You right now, exactly as you are, are enough and fully worthy.

You're worthy of your greatest hopes your wildest dreams, and all the unconditional love in the world. And it is an honor to welcome you to each and every episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show. Here, I hope you'll come as you are. Heal where you need. Blossom what you choose. Journey toward your calling and stay as long as you'd like because you belong here. You are worthy. You are loved. You are loved. I love you. And I cannot wait to join you on the next episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show. You recently shared on the Drew Barrymore Show that you went on a second date with a new person, that a third date was coming. What's going on with that?

I did go on the third date.

And have you met anyone new? When you entered this profession, 27 stations rejected you. Will you share this? Because Hoda, so many times, I know you and I have this in common. We've gone through so many rejections, and I think like, oh, my gosh, I could have doubted myself out of my own destiny for the person who's just gotten their heart broken or gotten another reject or sent their manuscript out and no publisher liked it. Or they think like, oh, my days have passed. My ship has sailed. Will you share 27 projections? And look at you now.

That's why we connect. That's why we connect. I burst out in the tears. That man single-handedly changed the course of my life in that one minute. You don't need 27 people to love you. You just need to find one. And there's always one.

I'm just thinking about the person listening, watching us right now who maybe they're on their 27th heartbreak. Their 27th person cheated on them again. Their 27th betrayal, the 27th, you know, manuscript, rejection or the 27th time they stop themselves from even trying just recognizing what you need to be happy and deciding to make space for that. Because if we still hold on to things that are good enough or fine or the relationship that we should just be grateful for, there's no space. And you're making space. And now you're like, oh, in my life right now, I have space for a fun Friday night. Yes, that's what I have space for right now. And when I know there's space for more, I'll know there's space for more. And you also, with faith, declare the space that's coming. Like, Oh, yeah, a new love also is coming. And I just find this so inspiring. If you ever need company on FaceTime, I will FaceTime you with a sleeve of Ritz crackers from my bed watching Real Housewives. I love it.

And we can do that together. Don't you love how they go in your mouth? It's like they melt. You don't even have to chew it. You just put it in and one after the next. The whole sleeve has gone in moments.

The best. Yes. How did you learn to speak up? Because there are so many people who don't think they're worthy of speaking their voice, or they think, If I'm the real me, if someone saw the real me, then I will not be loved. Do you know with absolute certainty God exists? Or do you ever doubt God exists?

I've never doubted it, not for one second. No. I was mad at God when my dad died. And I hope that they, which I always tell them, that no matter what, I'll always be there in some form and that they feel my presence, protecting them, loving them, and watching over them. I hope that's what they say. Wow.

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