Do you ever feel like worry and anxiety cost you your happiness and freedom?

Do you wish that you could stop or slow that spiral of negative thoughts and rise above rumination?

We all worry. Now what? My guest today is here to give you powerful answers, including stories, lessons, and a roadmap to awakening, courage, and connection in your life. Today, it's time to start rising above worry for good. Victoria Jackson is a legend, an icon, a trailblazer in the beauty world. She's also a medical pioneer who's been honored by the Pope. In 2017, Victoria was inducted by Gloria Steinem into the National Women's Hall of Fame, Victoria Jackson. Welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

Worry, I always say, is the seed that gets watered, that turns into the stress, the anxiety, the panic. I mean, I've had a life well-lived. And through all of the different milestones, turning points, just moments in my life, anxiety, stress, panic has always sat right on my shoulder.

It is something that almost every one of us deals with. And so I think you so courageously talking about it is so powerful.

People go, Gosh, with all that you've done, you I still deal with stress and panic disorder. And I go, Yeah, I do. I would picture sitting across from Oprah, and I would be telling her my story. And then one day I get the call to go to Chicago where at the time I wasn't flying. And I was like, I can't go. I can't get there. I'm too afraid.

There's so much that people know you for, and this other part of you has coexisted. And I think there's so many people that are listening and watching this that maybe feel alone in worrying or in anxiety. How do you navigate worry and panic and anxiety and also not let it rob you of your freedom and not let it rob you of your joy, not let it rob you of the life that you want to lead.

If it's not happening now, it's not happening.

That's really good. Yeah. That's really powerful.

It's been many years to just really not forgiving myself for not being able to do something. So we have to look at and give ourselves some grace sometimes that even with all these books that we read and these tips and the things we listen to, sometimes you're just going to fall short of the mark for yourself and For some reason, you're not going to do it.

There's people listening right now, too, that think like, Oh, I've blown it. My time, my ship has sailed. I missed that opportunity. It's like, Oh, no, no. Your whole life is ahead of you.

Exactly. And you just have to give yourself space and some grace to navigate it, but not give up.

How have you navigated all of that while also then deciding, I'm going to become a makeup artist, and I'm going to start building this career. You became one of the most successful women of all time, pioneering television, sold a billion dollars in products on television. You've done so much while also having this piece of you. Victoria Jackson, you are such a badass. I just think it's so powerful about when you got that call, a call no parent ever wants to get. You say, In place of a diploma, I had what mattered most, a mother's Unstoppable determination.

Through the success of my company and my husband's, we spent $80 million of our own money. We don't have any deals, kickbacks with pharmaceutical We've spent $80 million that's just out there in the universe to help catalyze what has been now four therapies that are out in the market that serve the world worldwide.

When you do something, you do something. You had a life-altering incident happen.

I did, and it was life-altering. But I knew during that out-of-body time for me that I was here for a reason, that my life was here for a reason, that this was not going to be how I died.

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This episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show contains discussions of sensitive topics, including sexual assault. Our aim is to approach this topic with sensitivity and respect, but viewer, listener, discretion is advised. Do you ever feel like worry and anxiety cost you your happiness and freedom? Do you wish that you could stop or slow that of negative thoughts and rise above rumination? We all worry, now what? My guest today is here to give you powerful answers, including stories, lessons, and a roadmap to awakening, courage, and connection in your life. Today, it's time to start rising above worry for good. Victoria Jackson is a legend, an icon, a trailblazer in the beauty world, where her trademark, No Makeup, Makeup, revolutionized the beauty industry and catapulted her to one of the greatest American success stories of our time. She's also a medical pioneer who's been honored by the Pope for her visionary approach and impact in advancing and understanding and funding for NMO and autoimmune-related diseases. In 2017, Victoria was inducted by Gloria Steinem into the National Women's Hall of Fame. She has and continues to incredible things in her life. Yet, like so many of us, she also has more than enough reasons for worry, anxiety, and crippling fear to show up daily.

From surviving sexual assault to getting a phone call no parent ever wants to receive, Victoria has spent her life on a true warrior walk of learning to slow anxiety's spiral and not let worry steal her freedom. She's written four amazing books, Her brand new book is out officially now, and it's called We All Worry, Now What?

She's also my dear friend, Victoria Jackson. Welcome to the Jamie Kerr and Lima Show. Thank you.

That was beautiful. Thank you so much. Thank you. I really, really appreciate it. I guess I've been busy. Like you. Thank you for having me. I'm really grateful to be here and just filled with a life of gratitude. A lot has been going on, and it's wonderful to be able to just be able to talk about it and share with you. So thank you.

Well, congratulations on your new book and so many other things, by the way. I was saying that we have the longest intro maybe that I've ever written, and I could have written it longer. Godmother's Bookshop opening so many things that you are doing out in the world.

With We All, Worry, Now What, the title of your brand new book that is so beautiful and just connects.

It's going to connect to so many people and help so many people. And I'm just really excited about it because so many of us, we lose so much of our life to worry, to anxiety, to rumination of thoughts. And I'm excited to dive into some of the lessons and stories in the book. But first, just wanted to ask you, in your own journey, in your own journey, what has led you to writing such a powerful book?

As I say, I've had a life well-lived. And through all of the different milestones, turning points, just moments in my life, anxiety, stress, panic has always sat right on my shoulder. And so I've always navigated. People go, Gosh, with all that you've done, you still deal with stress and panic disorder. And I go, Yeah, I do. And so this book was really everything for me is about, If I've done all this, you can, too. Whatever it is that you want to do, and here's how. So it was important to me, especially in a time where we live in a world that just so riddled with instability, stress, worry. And worry, I always say, is the seed that gets watered, that turns into the stress, the anxiety, the panic. I just thought, this is how I've had a lot of things that have gone on in my life that have really created a lot of worry. I have my black belt in worry, but I also have my black belt in being a warrior. And I wanted to just share some of the tips that have helped me get through. And knowing that it's not like, Oh, I figured it all out.

Here's all the answers. No, I got to work my program all the time as I'm still living my life and dealing with the challenges. As we all have them.

Has this been part of your life since childhood, or when did you really start to be aware of worry? And you've been through a lot.

I've been through a lot. I always say I was born premature. So I was born three months early, and I always say I think it was to get a little head start on worry because I lived in the hospital for three months before I could even come home. And when I did finally come home, I had a mom that was a little bit overwhelmed and said, But I I never really got to bond with you. I had a lot of medical issues. I think worry seemed to start really early on. I was always trying to, whether I was get approval or deal with whatever medical malady I was dealing with at the time. It was a challenge. It was a challenge. I think it's been something that I was aware of, that anxiety and my view of the world was probably going to be a little bit more challenging.

What were some of the things that happened along your journey that maybe you mentioned your mom and not bonding. What were some of the things? Because I think a lot of people are in the infancy of their own journey of realizing, Oh, wow, here's what worry or anxiety looks like in my life, and maybe here's where it stemmed from. And then just starting on that journey of wanting to their relationship if they can with worry and anxiety and panic and all that. I think that one of the most beautiful parts of this moment in time is, thankfully, people are talking about it, and they're sharing it, and they're not hiding as much and thinking that they're alone in it. It is something that almost every one of us deals with. And so I think you so courageously talking about it is so powerful. But has it been something that has built and gotten to a point in your life where then you're like, oh, I have to do something about this?

Well, I think people are talking about it now more so because they're feeling it. People have been feeling worry for so long. And it's just like with mental illness, mental health. People are now talking about things more that maybe they were silently struggling with. And for me, I've always been talking about it. It's hard to, when you're living it, you don't really know, especially with anxiety, it can be free floating. People could go as they always would go, What are you afraid of? Or, Everything's going great right now. Or, Why are you stressed out? And we can't always put a face to it, a name to it, a rationale to it. It's just something that we walk with. And I think for me, it was early on that mind manifested in feeling like somebody was always going to get me. That That unsettling feeling, never feeling quite peaceful, restful. There was always just something that was under the surface that was a little bit more in turmoil. I think it more manifested for me in personal safety, not feeling safe or that something was coming down the road for me. That was a big part of worry for me.

A lot of that was being in a family dynamic where the mom Mom and dad were young. They probably were two people not meant to be with each other. And as a kid, you're picking up all that energy. So that instability feeds into that worry, which then feeds into that stress, anxiety, and a lot of panic disorder.

How old were you when it started?

I just remember being by... I was five, six years old, and I remember my mom at the time going, If you don't calm down, they're going to come in. And I feel bad because I don't want to just... My mom is a great woman, and I think she was just really at wits end at time, but it was more her way of saying it. It's like, If you don't calm down, they're going to put you in the hospital. And you're like, Oh, my gosh. They're going to put me in the hospital? No, no, no, no. I've got to calm down. And you take all that inward. And so you're not really sure how to navigate it and what to do with that. So I think that was a lot of it is so much of it becomes this internal struggle that you don't really know to turn to, especially when you're young. So it can manifest in acting out, not staying in school, which for me, I didn't stay in school. I was always finding my way out of, I know in those early parent conferences, it was like, She doesn't stay in the reading circle.

She wanders her way. It's just that always little bit of that stress, trying to figure it out for yourself.

And then you talk about personal safety. You had A life-altering incident happened.

I did, and it was life-altering. I don't know whether it's a premonition or a sense of that foreboding of being at home in our apartment. It wasn't a house, it was our apartment. Coming home one night and going in my room. It's that really classic horror scene where you're in your bedroom late at night and you're watching TV and you look up in the mirror and there's somebody standing behind you and you're like, What? With a ski mask and look like an item with a dish rag hanging over. And I thought it was my brother because my family did know that I was so vulnerable and always afraid of somebody to come get me that I thought, oh, it was my brother playing a joke. And I turn around like, Mark. And he's like, don't move. And when you hear a voice that you know is clearly not your brother and one that's saying, Don't move, you know, Wow, this is it. And because at that point, I thought, Well, I'm the last victim. My bedroom was off the back of the house, and so I figured everybody else was gone, and I was it.

And that was a very... You go, Wow, I'm 17. I'm in my last year of high school. Is this really it? Am I going out like this? And I don't really want to go into all the details of all the bad things that happened to me in my body, but clearly enough to know that I learned about going out of body when something really bad is happening to you, that sense of disassociating. And being also the fact that all I kept thinking about was, what's happened to my family? Are they all gone? There were so many things that were happening. He was known as the Pillowcase Rapist. It was notorious in California. At the time, when I was kept in this really small space, hence I still am claustrophobic, but I was kept in this small space. When I saw him reach over to grab a pillowcase, I thought, Well, maybe he's going to be putting jewelry and things, not that I had anything, but whatever I have in this pillowcase. But when I realized very quickly that he was about to put it over my head and started, I said to myself, I am going to count three.

And you know that feeling you have, you're so scared. Is something going to actually come out? And I counted to three, and I knew I was just going to scream at the top of my lungs, and I did. He throws off his ski mask. I can't really identify him, drops it on the floor. My bedroom door would get stuck. He was pulling it to try to get out. I'm completely in shock, and I just ran as fast as I could up the stairs. I was bleeding leading to see if my parents were still there and what was happening in my house. I thought I was going to see a very ugly scene in the house. So that was life-changing, absolutely. But I knew during that out-of-body time for me that I was here for a reason, that my life was here for a reason, that this was not going to be how I died. But it was life-changing. I knew. Yeah.

Thank you for sharing that. People who know of you, know of you for so many things. But on the outside, we don't always know what someone's going through on the inside, right? Which I think it's so powerful that you wrote a book, Being so Candid and Vulnerable, that shares real lessons on how do you navigate worry and panic and anxiety, and also not let it rob you of your freedom, and not let it rob you of your joy, not let it rob you of the life that you want to lead and the impact you want to have. And people that know you know, many know you, of course, for being a pioneer and icon. Oh, my goodness. 40 years ago, no makeup, makeup. I remember someone who started a beauty company and has been in that industry. First of all, let me just brag my friend for a minute. I remember, I can't even count the number of times where I've seen so many brands and be inspired by what you've created or even try to do what you've created. All the things. You've been such a pioneer in building women's confidence and helping people feel good about themselves, trademarking no makeup, make up before anyone else used it.

There's a lot of other people, millions of people that know you for your medical. You're a pioneer in the medical space, and the research that you've done, and the funding, and the drugs that have been approved, which I'll ask you about that in a minute. Women's Hall of Fame, there's so much that people know you for, and this other part of you has coexisted. And I want to call that out because I think there's so many people that are listening and watching this that maybe feel alone in worrying or in anxiety. And so can you take us through having gone through so much? And how have you navigated all of that while also then deciding, I'm going to become a makeup artist, and I'm going to start building this career. You became one of the most successful women of all time, pioneering television, sold a billion dollars in products on television for Victoria Jackson Cosmetics. You've done so much while also having this piece of you. And so can you share with us how?

Well, I know it sounds crazy to think, how does that coexist? How do you have that level of stress and anxiety and still manage to go out and do it. It's really about taking leaps of faith, doing it even when you're uncomfortable. The running theme that I've had in my life has always been about, Oh, if I can do this, you can do it, and here's how. So even in my early career as a makeup artist, the first book, this is my fifth book. The first book I wrote was called Redefining Beauty. It was really the how-to of makeup. And the second one was the why. So everything for me has been really the teaching experience that even though I couldn't do makeup in the beginning, I was a horrible makeup artist, but I practiced till I could get better. And then I realized, why does it matter? So make up your life was really, why does make up matter? What's the whole reasoning that I came up with, the power of mascara and going to the jails for 20 years and seeing how it really changed people's feelings and thinking about themselves. Even though while I'm in the jails, for example, as I've told you, I'm very claustrophobic.

I'm going into the jails going, Can we leave the door open? They're like, Leave the door open? Like the cell door, Victoria? I'm still going there facing my fears of going into the prisons for 20 years, but knowing that I was doing something that was making a difference for so many women. And so they've always coexisted for me. So it's just I have to. I just push through. And that's so much in this book is about that. It's taking the next step. It's facing that.

And is And is it part of it making the why behind it bigger than yourself to push through the fear?

Yeah. And that's easy to say. And sometimes you're going to feel that. And sometimes it's just like, it doesn't matter that the why might be bigger. I'm just stuck. So I'm just trying to get you to think about in one of my books, I wrote, Perseverance is where the gods dwell. It's like persevering, like constantly pushing yourself, taking whatever small steps, putting yourself in the room. My kids always love when I go, Well, if you're not in the room, you're not in the room. They're like, What does that even mean, Mom? It's like you have to show up. I've always put myself in the room. And then there were times where I had opportunities and I couldn't get in the room. I have stories about, I know you did a wonderful job, an incredible job interviewing Oprah, and she was here. And there were times where I had an opportunity to be on Oprah's show, and I couldn't get in the room. My anxiety was too high, and I couldn't get in the room.

Will you share that story? Because I know that that was this dream of yours, and it actually happened. So you and I both have this in common, that we've sabotaged it for different reasons. But can you share this? Because there's people listening right now, too, that think like, oh, I've blown it. My time, my ship has sailed. I missed that opportunity. But it's like, oh, no, no. Your whole life is ahead of you.

Exactly. And I just remember When everyone was telling me, especially in the world of building a cosmetic company, Oh, you're not going to be able to compete with the big major companies. And I was like, Oh, no, no, I'm going to be able to do it. And someday, I'm going to actually... I would picture sitting across from Oprah, and I would be telling her my story. So I was visualizing that in my head. I'm going to be telling Oprah, and she's going to be interviewing me, and I'm going to be successful. So I always was working to manifest it. And then one day, I get the call to go to Chicago, where at the time, I wasn't flying. And I was going to go there and be the lead, like woman who had made it against the odds, my infomercial. And I was like, I can't go. I can't get there. I'm too afraid. You were afraid of flying. I was afraid of flying. I was just stuck. And I made up some horrible lie that there was a sickness or something. It was just bad. And I just beat myself up for so long, for years.

Like, well, that could have been a turning point, and you blew that. Okay, I didn't get there. And how great later in life, I meet Oprah under a different circumstances and have a really nice friendship and a conversation and a lunch, and you just never know how it's all going to work out. You never know. And I spent many years just really not forgiving myself for not being able to do something. So we have to look at and give ourselves some grace Sometimes that even with all these books that we read and these tips and the things we listen to, sometimes you're just going to fall short of the mark for yourself. And for some reason, you're not going to do it. But you know what? It's all going to come back around. And somehow maybe that wasn't meant to be, but something else was. The one thing I know, having gone now, as I say, from mascara to medicine and back, you just don't know what life is going to bring up, and you just have to give yourself some space and some grace to navigate it, but not give up. Keep putting yourself in that room.

And keep going for it.

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With your journey, you got a call. We talk about so many of us have reasons in our life every day to worry, right? For some of us, we don't meet our own expectations. For others, it's health challenges, challenges in finance, to get a career challenge, relationship challenges, friendship challenges. So many of us, if we're human, we have reasons to worry every day. And for you in this journey, just to put it to zoom out for a minute for everyone listening, do you, especially because of how much you continue to serve impact and create and offer in the world, do you also feel like the journey of your relationship with worry and anxiety and navigating it and managing it and all that, do you feel like it's a lifelong journey?

I feel like it'll always be a lifelong journey, but it now has different perspectives. So for example, being in the world of when my daughter was diagnosed. I have three children, and all of a sudden, one day, she has an eyeball headache. And then the next thing I know after going to see some doctors thinking it's going to be something that's simple, I find out that she has a rare condition. They basically tell me that she has NMO, neuromyelitis optica, that is sometimes misdiagnosed and confused a lot with MS, and that she has four years to live. And I'm like, What? Okay, well, life just changed. Closing the book on mascara and makeup and opening the book on medicine. I did not graduate high school due to my pillowcase rapist situation. I didn't go to college. I've been making lip gloss and makeup, so now I'm going to cure an autoimmune disease? Okay. So I was like, Yeah, but I'm going to, and I am going to learn everything there is about it. I think that set the stage for me of putting worry on a whole different level. So when you've had that worry where you're dealing with life and death and you're working to find a cure at what I call the speed of life, I'm not I was worried in the same way about other things now.

So I have a different perspective. I still have worry, but I'm not worrying to the same degree because I'm like, Oh, nobody's dying here. Nobody's going blind. Yeah, I got this. This is good. So I have a different life view of it because I've had a very different life experience.

There's a famous saying, Success leaves clues. And I just want to call this out. Allie was 14 when you got that call. I want to read a quote from you that I just think is so powerful about when you got that call, which a call no parent ever wants to get. You say, In place of a diploma, I had what mattered most, a mother's unstoppable determination. How in those moments, because a lot of us will get bad news and we feel helpless, and especially when our nature is to worry or to then have our anxiety go through the roof for any of those things, what part of you, if you can just get granular for a minute, Victoria Jackson, what part of that we all want to cultivate more of in ourselves, by the way, is that part where you're like, oh, okay, the doctors just told me this, but I don't accept that. And whether I succeed in fail or in this, I'm going to do whatever I can to have a different outcome and to go for it and to figure something out I know nothing about.

Yeah. Well, when it's your child, at least for me, it was just innate. I believe the power of love, with the power of love with the power of love and intention, anything's possible. So I knew there was no effing way. I was going to lose my daughter. It just wasn't going to happen. So I just knew that it was... I didn't have the answer. I didn't know what it was going to be, but I knew it was going to be in every ounce of my being, and then maybe, Aha, maybe this is why I'm here, was to save my daughter and save all the people that have this and shine a light on autoimmune disease. The and, and, and is revealing itself as I started the work. Because all of a sudden, I went from six potential doctors in a room to hundreds of researchers, scientists, 45 countries, a biobank, a blood biobank repository, a data collection center, of all these things that are now affecting so many other autoimmune diseases. So you just don't know.

You are such a badass.

I know you know that.

Anyone listening who's first time meeting Victoria Jackson, you are such a badass.

I think I'm just determined. I've never seen myself as necessarily a badass, but just as determined. Like, Okay, I'm going to figure this out. And if I can't figure this out, I'm going to ask you, Jamie Kern-Lema, to help me figure it out. I'm going to ask this doctor at Stanford. I'm going to learn molecular medicine. I'm going to just question everything, bring people together. I build bridges. And when you build bridges, you don't know what's going to be on the other side. You don't know the people that you're connecting, that you're building something that is so much even bigger than you know or you think or is about you at the time. So I just put it out there. I wrote a book called The Power of Rare, a blueprint for a Medical Revolution. I didn't know when I was starting this that somehow Now, if somebody was going to tell me I'd be writing the blueprint for how to actually get drugs made, I would have laughed. I've been like, Yeah, right. But I realized as I was going through it and things were happening and I was getting drugs made, and I'm working with Genentech and this pharmaceutical and that, and I'm seeing, Wait, pharma?

Yeah, pharma is pharma, but pharma is working with all these patients. They're working with these doctors. I need to shine a light on how this process works. It was amazing. Things that I I had no idea. So I always just want to share because somebody else, another mom, dad, foundation that's going through what I'm going through, is going to be able to benefit from that. That's what we need to do in the world. We have to get beyond I was so worried, and I still worry about Allie. I love my daughter. I'm working on what I just call now Cure Shot, working for finding a cure for her. She's doing great, but I'm still a worrier. I'll always be a little nervous, Nelly, but I'm also going to be doing the work.

You went from mascara to medicine, from foundation to creating a foundation, another foundation, from the science of beauty to the beauty of science. And you really... You didn't just try. I mean, can you talk... You've been honored by the Pope for amazing. And can you talk about Just to give everyone perspective, just the things you've accomplished in a short amount of time with where the Guthy Jackson Foundation is and all the things that you've done in that space, because it's who you are. It's how you do things. You're pioneering the beauty space. Know nothing about the medical field. And I just want everyone to hear what you've done, because then we're going to transition into your wisdom and your stories and your lessons around, We all worry, now what? Because I feel like you do not write a book until you have got something to say, and you've lived it, and you understand it. So with the Guthy Jackson Foundation, can you share? Because this is just remarkable.

Well, I'll tell you, just even think about, for me, just the Pope, when they asked me for my work in the foundation to go to the Vatican and accept this Pontifical Advocacy Award, the first time I was asked, that opera moment, I turned it down. I I was like, oh, my gosh.

I didn't know this. I knew you'd turned down the Oprah the first time. I didn't know you. I turned down the Pope.

I was like, I can't get there. And they're like, oh, my gosh. Literally, the opportunity came around where they asked, next year, they want you to go. And I had two of my girlfriends go, We are taking you. If we have to knock you out, we will take you. And you're going, And I am so glad that I did. And I went with my family, and it was an amazing experience. And what It was interesting, besides, obviously, all the pomp and pop circumstance that goes with that, Ha ha, that was pretty incredible, was just until the moment where they were giving me this award And it's this beautiful Baccarat piece with all the saints engraved and everything. Until that moment, and everybody stood up, and what was also wild is that Tony Robbins was there, and he spoke right before me. And now, Tony Robbins and I, in my earlier life, was when we were doing my very first infomercial. So it was this weird, strange moment of the infomercial, right? And here's Tony and I. And now, fast forward, all these years later, there's Tony who's doing his amazing good work. And he's also at the Vatican talking about what he's doing.

And there we are. And it was just... So for just that moment, right before everyone stood up, and it was only until then that I really looked up and I went, wow, what have I been doing? This is amazing because I do just put my head down and just do the work. The foundation, as I said, I've been working at the speed of life. When you start meeting people, and at one point, Allie and I, Allie said to me, Mom, this isn't just about the two of us. It's so much bigger, and it really is. You start seeing so many people that are affected, and the foundation has gone around the world. You realize, Wow, this is bigger than me, and I've got to really organize and get through my own worry and stress and anxieties, because through it, when Allie has an attack, it's very bad. She can go between blindness and paralysis, and you don't know if it's coming back. So navigating actual real-time situations while you're also trying to find cures and get people on board when you're having to build those bridges that I talked about. There's a lot of dynamics that go in that.

And so it's been extraordinary to see the foundation now. When I first started, it was interesting. They said, To cure a disease, you have to have samples. You have to have samples from people. I'm like, What does that mean? What do you mean? And I said, You're going to have to have people's blood samples. I was like, How am I doing that? How am I first just trying to even find people that have this? Because at the beginning, there was no one even knew who had it. So finding somebody. And now I'm going to start having to get people's blood. Hence, I thought, I'm going to start a program called blush for blood, bringing my crazy beauty background into, I'm going to get these women together, and if you give me your blood, you'll get a blush. It sounds so absurd, but it shows when you're working at the speed of life, when you think you've got four years before the sands of time on your daughter's life is running out, you start doing all different things. And we had a woman, a nurse, that would literally go anywhere in the world, and she would collect people's blood samples.

I now have 100,000 samples in a biobank with everybody's data because you realize, too, in the world of medicine, people don't share information. I also I was fortunate through the success of my company and my husband's. We spent $80 million of our own money. We don't have any deals, kickbacks with pharmaceutical companies, nothing. We've spent $80 million that's just out there in the universe to help catalyze what has been now four therapies that are out in the market that serve the world worldwide.

Four therapies because of your work are now available out there.

Yes. So that's It's been extraordinary. And every year I do a conference, I bring in patients and caregivers, researchers and scientists. I just had my last one a week ago at UCLA, and bring them in all over to share information. That's how I've gotten things done. It's fostering, collaboration, and people working together.

Well, thank you for sharing all that, too, because, again, when you do something, you do something. When you do something, you do something. And with this new, beautiful, powerful book, We All Worry, Now What? Can you talk about the warrior walk? And and warrior wisdom?

I think for me, I just share wisdom. What's great about the book, too, I have to say, is the women that have offered up, and there's a couple of wonderful guys in there, Jay Shetty and Yogi Cameron. But I wanted people to see how do people navigate when they're worried? How do they deal with stress, anxiety, worry? And so each chapter opens with, whether it's Jane Fonda talking about what she worries about in climate change and how she deals with that, or Gloria Steinem and how she navigates what she thinks about in the world today and the feminist movement that she started, and Kris Jenner, how she deals with the Kardashian group, the amazing empire that she has built, how she deals with that with her faith every day. So I thought that was really interesting. And for me, I just wanted to showcase in the book, it's really whatever works. Different things work for different people. For me, it's zooming out. It's taking that next step. It's getting that perspective, but it's still moving through. It's knowing when I have to take that time just for myself, or I have to go and meditate, or I have to just be quiet, or I have to just go out with a bunch of girlfriends and have a night of drinking some wine.

It's knowing what that prescription is for me that helps me get to that next place that I've set my sights on.

Yeah. And just to share a little bit more about that, in this book, you have a number of the people you just named all contributing to it, really, and sharing how worry shows up in their life and what they do about it. I wanted to ask you specifically about the five steps, the five steps to slow anxiety spiral from warrior to warrior. And the five steps that you talk about?

Well, for me, a lot of it is we get stuck in the rumination. Everybody just ruminates, and that analysis, paralysis, we just get really stuck. And it's just having to work through even the rumination, that fear that we have that we're not going to get it right or just being immobilized. So I think that that is a very big one for me that I found was really helpful to people that they just ruminate. They're like, nothing's going to work, nothing's going to get me out of this. And they're afraid. You have to zoom out. You have to really zoom out and try to get perspective. That's what I do first First and foremost, I have to look. It's almost in this strange way when I was dissociating from what was going on. I had to almost disassociate, zoom out, look down. It's somewhat as what I do now, except I'm much more associated than disassociated, but I'm looking down at what the situation is. I'm looking down at what's the problem here? What do I want to try to achieve? I'm trying to do this almost mapping in my head, and then I go through my next step, which is just take that next step, try to just get through that next step, whatever that is for me, whether it's calling a friend or taking an action or going through a walk.

That's what's really important to me is those two, I'd say for me more than anything, get me started because you got to get started.

And I think when you're just sharing the zooming out of, is that an example of that maybe when you talk about what you went through with your daughter, and now if a problem arises that you might worry over, you can actually zoom out and have perspective. Like, okay, no one's dying here. It's going to be having that zoomed out perspective that makes whatever is happening in the moment feel.

Well, I was reading, I attributed to Rob Lo, but I'm not sure exactly where that saying comes from. And it really does help me, especially since I live in still a world of ever knowing if my phone is going to ring and, God forbid, my daughter's having an attack. So I always have to say, if it's not happening now, it's not happening. So it's keeping me always in the present. So if it's not happening now, it's not happening. So she's not calling you right now. The phone's not ringing. That thing that I'm worrying about hasn't happened yet. So it keeps me more in the present.

That's really good. Yeah. That's really powerful because so many of us, we worry about stuff that in the past, or we worry about stuff that might happen in the future, or might repeat itself again. But it's like, if it's not happening now, it's not happening.

And you know what, Jamie? Here's the thing, too. Books like yours, and I mean this, since we're really are really helpful. I really believe in. I love to support other women, other people's philosophies. My book, my thinking is one way. I want to just share it. But there's There's so many great people out there. I know so many of all these listeners have all listened to your book, or they read your book. It's really powerful. So I'm always going back to, even with whatever is coming up in my life, I'm going to flip a page of yours open. I'm going to go back to Byron Katie and look at some of her things, things that I'm somebody that's always that because I didn't finish high school, I didn't go to college. That's really been My Education. My Education has been my friends, my other women, men that write things, say things. I think that's really important. Of course, I want people to read my book, and I want it to help a lot of people. But there's a lot of good things out there that you have to find out, like what resonates for you, what ultimately is going to get you to that next place to move, to zoom out, to have that perspective, to take that action so that you can come full circle for yourself.

You say belief isn't a prerequisite to overcoming worry, but what you choose to visualize can impact your ability to move through fear and worry.

Yeah. A big book that influenced me at the time was a book by Shakti Gawain called Creative Visualization. And so for me, and I know my husband, he's a big believer in Napoleon Hill. If you have to believe it to achieve it. For me, I'm much more of a visual person. And by the way, I think believing it and achieving it is critical, too. For me, I just have to see it. I work with visuals, pictures in my head. And if I can see it, then I'm more able to achieve it.

And what's an example of that?

I have to see things. If I want to manifest something, I always say this is a good thing for people to think about. Manifest, picture the house that you're living in, maybe the car you're driving, whatever it is that you want to manifest, I have to see things. I see them as pictures. So even with my daughter, I was seeing a cure. I was seeing whether it was her taking a pill that was like the therapy. I see it in my head, and then I work to create it. So I think if you can create this picture book, the stories that will go along with the pictures for me seem to follow. So that's really how I work. So I have found that with this creative visualization, all of a sudden, It's interesting. I wrote one of my early books, people said, Well, how did you know about to be a CEO of a company? And I was like, I didn't. So for me, and I know people have different feelings about acting as if they If they don't like it, they don't like it. For me, I just had to picture it. I had to see it in my head.

And then all of a sudden, one day, I would be thinking, How does she dress? How does she talk? And then one day, I realized I was that person. They'd seamlessly integrated. And I was always very, very insecure. I think I told you this story of when I was shooting my very first infomercial, and I was very nervous. I'd been, at that point, just the makeup artist on sets. And now here I'm going to be now doing this as my show with my products. And I was very insecure in showing up that day. I just thought, I don't know that I can pull this off. I wasn't even used to it. I didn't even wear much makeup, which was also I was doing no makeup makeup then. So I was doing some new things that I wasn't sure how they were going to be received. And I remember that the gentleman who was shooting that day, doing all the photography, and we're getting ready before the shoot, he looks at me and he goes, Victoria, I have photographed some of those beautiful women in the world. And I have found there's two types of women.

There's women with great beauty, and there's women with great brains. And you are a woman with great brains. He says this to me. I'm like, Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. And I'm thinking, with all these people there, I'm like, Did he just call me a dog? He goes, So we're going to put you outside. We're going to get you some air, and it's going to be beautiful. And it was such a gift that he gave me because I just from that moment on went, Dude, I so got this. And it was like my worst fears had been, I was afraid I wasn't pretty enough, smart enough, whatever it was. And as I sat there in the chair that he put out in the parking lot was the cars are whizzing by. I said, I'm going to go back in there. I'm going to shoot this, and I'm just going to sell my product from my heart. And I'm going to visualize that people are going to love it. They're going to call, they're going to buy it. From my very first show, we did a million dollars a week in sales, and it never really stopped.

I'm very much about no matter what happens, and a lot of that's going to happen, you give that power to that thing that you don't want to happen, and then it's happening. It's just how you navigate it, how you get through it. What do you see on the other side of that?

That is so impressive because I think I would have been like, What? I would have been like, first of all, there's not two types of women.

Second of all, I would have been like, I would have been feisty.

That's amazing. So you zoom out and you're like, okay, here's what I want to visualize.

Exactly. And you did that yourself. All those years on QVC, I'm sure you visualized all those people calling in and buying the cosmetics and all the amazing success you've had with the book. Somewhere in your brain, you have to have pictured it, seen it, and then you work to manifest that. And it's a lot of hard work.

Yeah. And I find sometimes I choose what I want visualize. And sometimes I just see something. And I'm like, oh, I think that's good because I think that means it's going to happen. And then it boosts my belief. But yeah, I remember so many times I did over a thousand live shows on QVC. And I once heard Actually, Pastor Joel Osteen said that when he first started doing sermons, he was very nervous. And he would pray that when people would be changing the TV channel, when they would turn him on, that they couldn't turn away, that they couldn't turn him off. So I started doing that prayer before the QVC stuff. And I would visualize a person at home. It didn't even matter if they bought something, but I would visualize them and just feeling more worthy if they just felt seen through stuff. And yeah, I visualize stuff a lot. I believe in that. And I think what you said is really powerful because someone might be worrying about something, and maybe you can't quite believe the solution yet. But if you could visualize it, it's like that step. Exactly. It's whatever it is that's going to help you.

And for me, I work best in pictures and visualizing. And I'm still doing that with my daughter. I'm visualizing. I will have the cure. I now have the therapies that are managing it, but I will have the cure. And I say between the power of love, intention, visualization, I will get there. There's really nothing that you can't do. There's really nothing.

Well, talking about, if I were to visualize the most beautiful bookstore in existence. I think I might visualize a brand new bookstore in Summerland, California, called Godmothers, that is literally opening the week that this comes out. So amazing timing. And can you talk about what a special place that is and how you've created? When I think of the through line of our conversation, and I think about every person listening and watching this, I really hope everyone hears that all of the things that you want to do and can go after and continue creating and continue impacting can coexist with the stuff that we think may be something that would disqualify us from doing that, right? Or maybe something that's just us or that we hide in or feel shameful about or feel like, Oh, something's wrong with me because I worry or have anxiety or this or that. But it's like, Okay, that doesn't disqualify you. And taking these steps, right? Whether it's through some of the lessons and we all worry now what, through the different things you've shared that can resonate with you, whether it's therapy, different modality is different. We're all on different journeys of figuring out what works for us, but that both can happen.

Yeah.

And that's where you don't know what the surprise is in life. For the Bookstore, for example, I have a wonderful partner, Jennifer Rudolf Walsh. Amazing powerhouse all on her own with an amazing story. And we decided one day, talking that Bookstore, a gathering space, Godmothers, honoring the women that have done the some of the most incredible things in the world. I saw that in my head. I saw the building, I saw what the store would look like, and then just worked to create it. Now, I didn't have plans my whole life. I was going to have a bookstore, and I'm thrilled that this is another chapter, literally, of a book that now I can put some of my books in the bookstore. But you have to leave space for the rooms to dream in your mind and not know in What the surprises are that I met somebody who also had a vision, and we connected and also decided to do this. And that's going to coexist along with the work that I'm working on still in medicine, bringing back my no makeup makeup, Yes. I mean, all of those things.

I have it on right now. I'm obsessed with it. Let me just say this. Right before we started filming, I actually showed Victoria my compact because you have... I love, see, for me, when I build it, cosmetics, it was like, what's one product that's the best that I want to use every day? And with your No Makeup, Makeup Foundation, I opened it to show Victoria how literally I use it so much that it's down to the pan. I wanted to show. I now hoard it. It's so great. And this is really, really special and cool, too. One of my best friends, Jackie, was always into fitness, and she left her dream of doing a fitness career and joined It Cosmetics in our living room before we could even afford to pay ourselves. And she went through that whole journey as our very first employee. We grew to over a thousand employees. Now, many years later, she just launched her own company again called Fit Kitty. It's about leisure and fitness. It's part of who she is. You, 40 years ago, pioneered, changed the beauty industry. No makeup, makeup. You've had so many different beautiful chapters in your life and offerings to the world, many of which we've talked about on this episode, many more we haven't.

But now you are launching this brand new evolution of no makeup makeup that I'm now wearing obsessively. And That's incredible. Yeah.

I wanted to make 13 shades of what I was going to, and I do call, I think it's the best foundation on the planet. I'm like, I'm just going to come up with this one amazing product right now that is truly awesome and is true to what I've been talking about for 40 years and trademarked a long time ago, no makeup, makeup. Because I really, and so much of it came to life for me as I did go to the jails for so long. And I would see women that were using makeup as a mask or as war paint in there a lot of times, that I wanted women, I want to help them look and feel their best, but just not overly do it. And as I've gotten older, and I'm now getting close to turning 70, you don't need to wear a lot of makeup. It actually can age you in all the wrong ways. And even if you're young, I want people to have great skin and not clogging their pores and overdoing It's a bit of it and layering. Not to say you can't have fun, but I just did want to make the perfect amount.

So where just less is best, more is too much. No makeup, makeup is just perfect. So I'm really, really excited about So many of my friends are using it and posting about it. And it's also a new world for me. It's like 15 years ago, I stopped, as I said, Mascarade of Medicine. I was selling through infomercials in QVC, and now it's a whole new frontier of creators and influencers and marketing in a whole different way. But I do believe, as I believe then, if you've got a great product, product is king. That's what gets people coming back. That's what makes people use it up. So the little pan is showing, and they're compact. Thank you very much.

I think it's so beautiful because I think I just know one of the things I love about this show and launching the Jamie in a show and having these conversations is I get messages after the show, right? When this airs, and there will be people that will ride in and be like, I just realized that 10 years ago or 20 years ago or 40 years ago, I used to love this thing, and it's actually in me, and I want to do it again, right? Or do it better or do it in a different way. And I think that it's so inspiring. You shared you're almost 70, and you're launching this business. It's incredible. And also, of course you are. Yeah.

And that is the best part of your show and shows like this, that you're doing it because women can do it. We can do it. And I don't mean just women. I'm going to say women and men and everybody. It's like, you just got to do it. You just If we all worry now what helps give you a Start. And by the way, it's the first time I read the actual... I've done this. This is the fifth book, but I'd never read any of the books. I did the audio version, And it was great. If I can help guide you through, if you can hear it in my voice, anything that helps you get to that next place to take that next step, it's just the world is amazing. And yes, we have the stress, the anxiety, the worry, the blah, blah. But there's so many beautiful things out there, and there's so much potential that everybody has inside of them. Good for you for helping unlock that. There's nothing more beautiful than that.

Well, that's what you're doing in this book. And I think if you're watching us or listening right now and you feel like worry is holding you back or anxiety or any of that, and you feel like your relationship with worry and how it is in your life right now is almost like costing you your joy or your freedom or keeping you stuck. I am so excited for you to read We All Worry, Now What? Not only Victoria sharing her incredible wisdom in this beautiful book, also a number of other luminaries out there who are sharing how they've navigated worry in their own life. And like you said earlier, I think that when we all just share our stories and what's worked for us, it's like you then can not only see yourself and other people feel less alone, more enough, more in community in this journey But then you take what serves you out of it. And you take what you feel resonates with you that you can apply to your own life and your own journey. And so really excited for everyone to pick up their copy of We All Worry, Now What. And And also, you can also get it in the audio version as well.

And what I wanted to ask you, Victoria, is for everyone listening and watching right now who wants to pick up their copy of the book or grab their shade of No Makeup, Makeup, or learn more about the Guthy Jackson Foundation and everything else that you're up to, where's the best place for them to find you?

So the best place for the Guthy Jackson Foundation and for anybody dealing with any in the world of autoimmune disease. Nmo Resources is an app. You can download it on your phone for free. If you have a friend that maybe was diagnosed or a family member with MS, There's a lot to learn about NMO that will really shed some light on autoimmune disease. Autoimmune disease and cancer is what I'm working on now in addition. So that would be where you would learn that. You could also read Saving Each Other, which is what I call my memoir that Allie and I wrote together when she was first diagnosed. It's actually a very, very powerful book, and one at the time I didn't promote as much because I was really just living, working on cures and not taking a whole lot of time out for the promotion, but it's a really powerful book. And also in that same area would be The Power of Rare, which is a blueprint for a medical revolution for anybody out there that is working on how to think about cures. And this is really the roadmap, the blueprint of how I was able to get four therapies made.

It's a very powerful book that I co-wrote with Dr. Michael Yeiman, who is Head of Molecular Medicine at UCLA and my partner in all things science. And then in terms of makeup, let's switch gears to makeup. There's nomakeupmakeup. Com, and you can follow us on Instagram and all those fun things. And the book, the book is going to be out. It's at Godmothers. It's online. It's in pre-order, as you said, on Amazon. And I'm really proud of it. I think it's going to help a lot of people. I'm very grateful. Thank you today for having me here to be able to talk about it and having people just hear about my story.

Well, thank you so much. Thank you for your friendship. Thank you for your leadership in so many areas of life. Thank you for your Championship of stuff that matters. Thank you for sharing parts of your story today. And I'm so excited for everyone to learn a lot more. And we all worry, now what?

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