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Okay. Especially the first seasons, like 1972 or three, I think.

Columbo, I almost forgot about that show. They used to tell him not to smoke.

Well, no, like the character, I could tell they're probably just building up. Like, you notice that he has a cigar in his hands, right? The whole series or every episode. But it's funny, the 1972 people like, please don't smoke in here. Or Mister Columb, Lieutenant Columbo, he's always being reprimanded for it.

Interesting. I forgot about that.

And he's always really. Peter Fox, he's always like, oh, sorry. And he puts it out always. He's never upset or anything.

Yeah, that was an interesting character because he was this bumbling guy who was actually not. He was kind of setting you up the whole time, letting you underestimate him, acting like, pardon me, but another thing.

He'S always about to leave. And he's like, oh, yeah, he comes.

Back and he's annoying people and they're.

Like, oh, incredible, though, esthetic. And like, the other day, I'm watching this episode that Jonathan Demme directed, Steven Spielberg. I mean, like, all of these famous directors start to cut their teeth in tv and on episodic things like that, but there's a real tone about Italy. We're talking about the city state of Rome. That is the thing that conquered the room. The city state and the surrounding areas were other things, but they keep their masses happy with violence and free bread. And, you know, in the same way that you keep people, you control people by fear and ignorance.Keep them, yes.You know what I mean? Exactly.Tick tock. Just keep them mildly entertained all day long.Distract. I find the idea of tick tock about as interesting as the game.Tick tock, tick tac toe.Tick me. Yeah, I'm not doing that either.No, I'm not doing that either. It is crazy when you go to the coliseum and you realize the extent of the construction of it and how elaborate it was and how many different things they had going on where they would turn it into. Like, they had a boat naval base, fill it up with water. Incredible wild shit that animals in take away the drama of the battle and stuff. It's bleak, but there's something about. And this guy, not italian, english guy, but he captures the spirit, the humanity within, like, this transitional period in Naples, when I watch you friends, when I see you in your element, this is obviously what you're supposed to do.Yeah, but.But I think I have am. I don't know if ambition is the right word, but I definitely have interest in things that have nothing to do with this.Yeah. You know, well, that's part of being a human, right. You don't want to be isolated to one specific interest and so many fascinating things.And isolation, that's a thing too. And I'm really happy with, would. Could we have a level of success that's greater or whatever? Yeah, maybe. I don't know. But the one thing I like about my life is I'm not the kind of. I'm nothing so well known that I still can't do my own grocery shopping. I love to cook. I like to go to the market. I like to pick out my shit, you know, or that you can't get. You know what I mean? We have access to the whole world, you know? And I don't have to worry about anyone giving a shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. The people that do like it, that come up to me wherever I am in the world, they're usually real fans. They're not celebrity people.Right, right.So they're like, man, I saw you at a. When you played this song, you know, that's the other thing about music. It's like rock music, you know, you can be. You can do a lot of stuff. But you know, one thing about the songs we've written, and I meet people, and people play the songs we've written at weddings and at funerals. You know what I mean? Not just parties and not just things, but like, you know, my brother I wrote, you know, when we wrote she talks to angels, I get, I I always have time and I'm always humbled by people's experiences with that song and addiction and things in their lives, whether it's them family member loss or people that have overcome things you know what I mean? And that we just wrote that song one day when we were kids, and that means so much to people. There's a lot of songs like that in our repertoire that people come up to really funny things sometimes. Like, people will pick some song. I'm like, that was your wedding song. I'm like, okay, that's weird.Jealous.Or more obscure, even. You know, like some weird. Like, this song called nonfiction. Like, we walked down the aisle to non. I'm like the. Nonfiction, really. It's kind of a dark song.Well, that's it. You're giving out, you know, with music, it's like. It's an art form that changes people, people's feeling. It's when you hear a great song, it literally gives you energy completely. It's a drug. It really is. It's like an audio.It's exactly the same. I mean, it's maddening to be with me because this is the only time during this day that I don't have music on. You know what I mean? But I listened to french music from the twenties, and I listened to, like, peruvian cumbias from the seventies, avant garde, electronic composers, whatever, you know, or blues and rock and roll and jazz and r and b and whatever, but a lot.Yeah. Well, that means you're doing the right thing, right? Like, you really.Well, I also need it, like you just said, not only just for energy, but, like, for some soulful connection as well. And, you know, when. Especially with, you know, when I was younger, we all suffer from depression, and some people have a more acute relationships with that. But, you know, if there's a certain melancholy that comes over me, there's only some artist that can. I can sail across that deep water with, you know what I mean? To kind of assure me that I'm not the. We're not the only ones that feel this way. We're not the only ones that are. You know, life is. Life is. That is what it is. You know what I mean? Like, not. No matter how rich you are, no matter how successful you are, no matter who you are, you still have to deal with the ups and downs of it. Absolutely. And I think adversity is the thing that really makes us who we are. You know, it's one thing as, like, being a father. I'm like, I'm not afraid of the adversity my kids face. As a matter of fact, that's what I really want to get to, is how.Because what makes us who we are is how we deal with adversity.And if you don't deal with any adversity. It's not good.And if you push it under the table or this or that and avoid it.Yeah.Then. Then where are you? You know, where's the. And the great. And it's. These things are cliches, but the greatest lessons are the hardest ones. You know what I mean? Those are the ones that stick to you the most.Yeah. And those are the ones that make you grow.I have a great friend who's in a fantastic band. They just opened for us. We've been friends. They called. His name is Jim Jones. This band's called the Jim Jones All Stars. He was in a band called the Hypnotics, and we've known each other for 30 years, and he went through really deep heroin addiction in the nineties. And it's funny to talk to him. And I love him, you know, he's. But he's like, yeah, man, it was something. It was a lesson. You know what I mean? I'm like, that's a fucking tough lesson. And I'm happy you're still here to talk about it. But I love his attitude. You know what I mean? I love that spirit in people, you know what I mean? That it didn't. You know, I learned from this, and I've moved on from this, and I don't have any regrets. I don't have any resentment towards this or anger towards. About it, and it's. No one's doing but my own. That responsibility to take responsibility for stuff, you know, is a big. And that's. That's important. And I think we see a lot of that gone away, you know what I mean, with people.And every story is different, you know what I mean? And every. Not everything is the same. And what is real and what isn't real between there, that's for everyone to figure out, for people. Yeah, but.But the fact that that can be captured in a song and, like you said, sort of carry you through these bad moments. We realize, like, other people are experiencing grief, hardship, depression, darkness, terrible thoughts of loss. And that's the reason why those songs are so popular. It's not like people want to suffer, like. No, there's, like, something they're resonating with.And anger is a part of that, too. You know what I mean? And it's funny, like, with the newer music, I'm like, you guys, like, the world looks pretty shitty. Aren't you guys pissed a little bit? Or you're just like, no, I'm just gonna get some likes. And my pants fit right and my hair is good. I'm like, okay, I get pop. Music is light sometimes, but I would like for the young people to, you know, I'd like to see in the art a little more anger.Well, I'd like to see more rock. You know, it's like when I'm looking at music coming up today, there's a great absence of strong new rock bands that. That seem like rock bands from the past.Guitar, bass.Yes, yes. I mean, God damn it, people still love that music. What the fuck is going on?Yeah. You go see AC DC there at a fucking stadium.Yeah.You can see Metallica there at a stadium.Yes. So people are going, so what the fuck happened? I mean, where is everybody?I mean, I think it's definitely there. It's just. It's. It's. Again, the. I think people, for some reason, think the music business is supposed to be the gage or that they're just like any other fucking salesman. They always have been. Just because one salesman had a cool taste and one didn't. Don't kid yourself.Right?They're not artists, they're salesmen. And there's cool people and not cool people, but they're not. You know what I mean?Yeah.And I think, like, now we live in a time and you see it a lot. You see people making comments about it and in our industry about how you're just following. Whereas before, yeah, you had things that were popular, but someone, you know, someone said, fuck. Signed the Stooges.Yeah, yeah.You know Danny Fields. Yeah, that. But he had great taste. But he was still a record company guy, a business side guy of it. Someone, you know. And, I mean, someone said, sign Susie and the banshees, or whatever. Someone said, dude, I mean, Bob Dylan. You didn't know when they made first Bob Dylan record that he'd be 83 years old. Bob Dylan today. You know what I mean?Yeah, yeah.And a lot of people said, don't sign him. He's not marketable. He's not commercial. And, you know, that's my thing where I'm looking for still that maverick spirit or somebody who does have the wherewithal and or vision to see that maybe something is a little bit outside the box still could have. Not just. It would have importance. And it can be popular as well.Well, of course. And it always has been that way. The idea that that can't. That everyone has a short attention span now and we're interested in frivolous things. No, that's not true. That's just still junk food. It's still junk food, and there's still people that like a nice meal. I'm glad you're out there, dude.Thanks.Thanks for doing this.I really appreciate it.Really enjoyed talking to you.I got to talk about a lot of weird stuff.Yes, sir. Thank you very much.Cheers.Bye, everybody.

about Italy. We're talking about the city state of Rome. That is the thing that conquered the room. The city state and the surrounding areas were other things, but they keep their masses happy with violence and free bread. And, you know, in the same way that you keep people, you control people by fear and ignorance.

Keep them, yes.

You know what I mean? Exactly.

Tick tock. Just keep them mildly entertained all day long.

Distract. I find the idea of tick tock about as interesting as the game.

Tick tock, tick tac toe.

Tick me. Yeah, I'm not doing that either.

No, I'm not doing that either. It is crazy when you go to the coliseum and you realize the extent of the construction of it and how elaborate it was and how many different things they had going on where they would turn it into. Like, they had a boat naval base, fill it up with water. Incredible wild shit that animals in take away the drama of the battle and stuff. It's bleak, but there's something about. And this guy, not italian, english guy, but he captures the spirit, the humanity within, like, this transitional period in Naples, when I watch you friends, when I see you in your element, this is obviously what you're supposed to do.Yeah, but.But I think I have am. I don't know if ambition is the right word, but I definitely have interest in things that have nothing to do with this.Yeah. You know, well, that's part of being a human, right. You don't want to be isolated to one specific interest and so many fascinating things.And isolation, that's a thing too. And I'm really happy with, would. Could we have a level of success that's greater or whatever? Yeah, maybe. I don't know. But the one thing I like about my life is I'm not the kind of. I'm nothing so well known that I still can't do my own grocery shopping. I love to cook. I like to go to the market. I like to pick out my shit, you know, or that you can't get. You know what I mean? We have access to the whole world, you know? And I don't have to worry about anyone giving a shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. The people that do like it, that come up to me wherever I am in the world, they're usually real fans. They're not celebrity people.Right, right.So they're like, man, I saw you at a. When you played this song, you know, that's the other thing about music. It's like rock music, you know, you can be. You can do a lot of stuff. But you know, one thing about the songs we've written, and I meet people, and people play the songs we've written at weddings and at funerals. You know what I mean? Not just parties and not just things, but like, you know, my brother I wrote, you know, when we wrote she talks to angels, I get, I I always have time and I'm always humbled by people's experiences with that song and addiction and things in their lives, whether it's them family member loss or people that have overcome things you know what I mean? And that we just wrote that song one day when we were kids, and that means so much to people. There's a lot of songs like that in our repertoire that people come up to really funny things sometimes. Like, people will pick some song. I'm like, that was your wedding song. I'm like, okay, that's weird.Jealous.Or more obscure, even. You know, like some weird. Like, this song called nonfiction. Like, we walked down the aisle to non. I'm like the. Nonfiction, really. It's kind of a dark song.Well, that's it. You're giving out, you know, with music, it's like. It's an art form that changes people, people's feeling. It's when you hear a great song, it literally gives you energy completely. It's a drug. It really is. It's like an audio.It's exactly the same. I mean, it's maddening to be with me because this is the only time during this day that I don't have music on. You know what I mean? But I listened to french music from the twenties, and I listened to, like, peruvian cumbias from the seventies, avant garde, electronic composers, whatever, you know, or blues and rock and roll and jazz and r and b and whatever, but a lot.Yeah. Well, that means you're doing the right thing, right? Like, you really.Well, I also need it, like you just said, not only just for energy, but, like, for some soulful connection as well. And, you know, when. Especially with, you know, when I was younger, we all suffer from depression, and some people have a more acute relationships with that. But, you know, if there's a certain melancholy that comes over me, there's only some artist that can. I can sail across that deep water with, you know what I mean? To kind of assure me that I'm not the. We're not the only ones that feel this way. We're not the only ones that are. You know, life is. Life is. That is what it is. You know what I mean? Like, not. No matter how rich you are, no matter how successful you are, no matter who you are, you still have to deal with the ups and downs of it. Absolutely. And I think adversity is the thing that really makes us who we are. You know, it's one thing as, like, being a father. I'm like, I'm not afraid of the adversity my kids face. As a matter of fact, that's what I really want to get to, is how.Because what makes us who we are is how we deal with adversity.And if you don't deal with any adversity. It's not good.And if you push it under the table or this or that and avoid it.Yeah.Then. Then where are you? You know, where's the. And the great. And it's. These things are cliches, but the greatest lessons are the hardest ones. You know what I mean? Those are the ones that stick to you the most.Yeah. And those are the ones that make you grow.I have a great friend who's in a fantastic band. They just opened for us. We've been friends. They called. His name is Jim Jones. This band's called the Jim Jones All Stars. He was in a band called the Hypnotics, and we've known each other for 30 years, and he went through really deep heroin addiction in the nineties. And it's funny to talk to him. And I love him, you know, he's. But he's like, yeah, man, it was something. It was a lesson. You know what I mean? I'm like, that's a fucking tough lesson. And I'm happy you're still here to talk about it. But I love his attitude. You know what I mean? I love that spirit in people, you know what I mean? That it didn't. You know, I learned from this, and I've moved on from this, and I don't have any regrets. I don't have any resentment towards this or anger towards. About it, and it's. No one's doing but my own. That responsibility to take responsibility for stuff, you know, is a big. And that's. That's important. And I think we see a lot of that gone away, you know what I mean, with people.And every story is different, you know what I mean? And every. Not everything is the same. And what is real and what isn't real between there, that's for everyone to figure out, for people. Yeah, but.But the fact that that can be captured in a song and, like you said, sort of carry you through these bad moments. We realize, like, other people are experiencing grief, hardship, depression, darkness, terrible thoughts of loss. And that's the reason why those songs are so popular. It's not like people want to suffer, like. No, there's, like, something they're resonating with.And anger is a part of that, too. You know what I mean? And it's funny, like, with the newer music, I'm like, you guys, like, the world looks pretty shitty. Aren't you guys pissed a little bit? Or you're just like, no, I'm just gonna get some likes. And my pants fit right and my hair is good. I'm like, okay, I get pop. Music is light sometimes, but I would like for the young people to, you know, I'd like to see in the art a little more anger.Well, I'd like to see more rock. You know, it's like when I'm looking at music coming up today, there's a great absence of strong new rock bands that. That seem like rock bands from the past.Guitar, bass.Yes, yes. I mean, God damn it, people still love that music. What the fuck is going on?Yeah. You go see AC DC there at a fucking stadium.Yeah.You can see Metallica there at a stadium.Yes. So people are going, so what the fuck happened? I mean, where is everybody?I mean, I think it's definitely there. It's just. It's. It's. Again, the. I think people, for some reason, think the music business is supposed to be the gage or that they're just like any other fucking salesman. They always have been. Just because one salesman had a cool taste and one didn't. Don't kid yourself.Right?They're not artists, they're salesmen. And there's cool people and not cool people, but they're not. You know what I mean?Yeah.And I think, like, now we live in a time and you see it a lot. You see people making comments about it and in our industry about how you're just following. Whereas before, yeah, you had things that were popular, but someone, you know, someone said, fuck. Signed the Stooges.Yeah, yeah.You know Danny Fields. Yeah, that. But he had great taste. But he was still a record company guy, a business side guy of it. Someone, you know. And, I mean, someone said, sign Susie and the banshees, or whatever. Someone said, dude, I mean, Bob Dylan. You didn't know when they made first Bob Dylan record that he'd be 83 years old. Bob Dylan today. You know what I mean?Yeah, yeah.And a lot of people said, don't sign him. He's not marketable. He's not commercial. And, you know, that's my thing where I'm looking for still that maverick spirit or somebody who does have the wherewithal and or vision to see that maybe something is a little bit outside the box still could have. Not just. It would have importance. And it can be popular as well.Well, of course. And it always has been that way. The idea that that can't. That everyone has a short attention span now and we're interested in frivolous things. No, that's not true. That's just still junk food. It's still junk food, and there's still people that like a nice meal. I'm glad you're out there, dude.Thanks.Thanks for doing this.I really appreciate it.Really enjoyed talking to you.I got to talk about a lot of weird stuff.Yes, sir. Thank you very much.Cheers.Bye, everybody.

take away the drama of the battle and stuff. It's bleak, but there's something about. And this guy, not italian, english guy, but he captures the spirit, the humanity within, like, this transitional period in Naples, when I watch you friends, when I see you in your element, this is obviously what you're supposed to do.Yeah, but.But I think I have am. I don't know if ambition is the right word, but I definitely have interest in things that have nothing to do with this.Yeah. You know, well, that's part of being a human, right. You don't want to be isolated to one specific interest and so many fascinating things.And isolation, that's a thing too. And I'm really happy with, would. Could we have a level of success that's greater or whatever? Yeah, maybe. I don't know. But the one thing I like about my life is I'm not the kind of. I'm nothing so well known that I still can't do my own grocery shopping. I love to cook. I like to go to the market. I like to pick out my shit, you know, or that you can't get. You know what I mean? We have access to the whole world, you know? And I don't have to worry about anyone giving a shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. The people that do like it, that come up to me wherever I am in the world, they're usually real fans. They're not celebrity people.Right, right.So they're like, man, I saw you at a. When you played this song, you know, that's the other thing about music. It's like rock music, you know, you can be. You can do a lot of stuff. But you know, one thing about the songs we've written, and I meet people, and people play the songs we've written at weddings and at funerals. You know what I mean? Not just parties and not just things, but like, you know, my brother I wrote, you know, when we wrote she talks to angels, I get, I I always have time and I'm always humbled by people's experiences with that song and addiction and things in their lives, whether it's them family member loss or people that have overcome things you know what I mean? And that we just wrote that song one day when we were kids, and that means so much to people. There's a lot of songs like that in our repertoire that people come up to really funny things sometimes. Like, people will pick some song. I'm like, that was your wedding song. I'm like, okay, that's weird.Jealous.Or more obscure, even. You know, like some weird. Like, this song called nonfiction. Like, we walked down the aisle to non. I'm like the. Nonfiction, really. It's kind of a dark song.Well, that's it. You're giving out, you know, with music, it's like. It's an art form that changes people, people's feeling. It's when you hear a great song, it literally gives you energy completely. It's a drug. It really is. It's like an audio.It's exactly the same. I mean, it's maddening to be with me because this is the only time during this day that I don't have music on. You know what I mean? But I listened to french music from the twenties, and I listened to, like, peruvian cumbias from the seventies, avant garde, electronic composers, whatever, you know, or blues and rock and roll and jazz and r and b and whatever, but a lot.Yeah. Well, that means you're doing the right thing, right? Like, you really.Well, I also need it, like you just said, not only just for energy, but, like, for some soulful connection as well. And, you know, when. Especially with, you know, when I was younger, we all suffer from depression, and some people have a more acute relationships with that. But, you know, if there's a certain melancholy that comes over me, there's only some artist that can. I can sail across that deep water with, you know what I mean? To kind of assure me that I'm not the. We're not the only ones that feel this way. We're not the only ones that are. You know, life is. Life is. That is what it is. You know what I mean? Like, not. No matter how rich you are, no matter how successful you are, no matter who you are, you still have to deal with the ups and downs of it. Absolutely. And I think adversity is the thing that really makes us who we are. You know, it's one thing as, like, being a father. I'm like, I'm not afraid of the adversity my kids face. As a matter of fact, that's what I really want to get to, is how.Because what makes us who we are is how we deal with adversity.And if you don't deal with any adversity. It's not good.And if you push it under the table or this or that and avoid it.Yeah.Then. Then where are you? You know, where's the. And the great. And it's. These things are cliches, but the greatest lessons are the hardest ones. You know what I mean? Those are the ones that stick to you the most.Yeah. And those are the ones that make you grow.I have a great friend who's in a fantastic band. They just opened for us. We've been friends. They called. His name is Jim Jones. This band's called the Jim Jones All Stars. He was in a band called the Hypnotics, and we've known each other for 30 years, and he went through really deep heroin addiction in the nineties. And it's funny to talk to him. And I love him, you know, he's. But he's like, yeah, man, it was something. It was a lesson. You know what I mean? I'm like, that's a fucking tough lesson. And I'm happy you're still here to talk about it. But I love his attitude. You know what I mean? I love that spirit in people, you know what I mean? That it didn't. You know, I learned from this, and I've moved on from this, and I don't have any regrets. I don't have any resentment towards this or anger towards. About it, and it's. No one's doing but my own. That responsibility to take responsibility for stuff, you know, is a big. And that's. That's important. And I think we see a lot of that gone away, you know what I mean, with people.And every story is different, you know what I mean? And every. Not everything is the same. And what is real and what isn't real between there, that's for everyone to figure out, for people. Yeah, but.But the fact that that can be captured in a song and, like you said, sort of carry you through these bad moments. We realize, like, other people are experiencing grief, hardship, depression, darkness, terrible thoughts of loss. And that's the reason why those songs are so popular. It's not like people want to suffer, like. No, there's, like, something they're resonating with.And anger is a part of that, too. You know what I mean? And it's funny, like, with the newer music, I'm like, you guys, like, the world looks pretty shitty. Aren't you guys pissed a little bit? Or you're just like, no, I'm just gonna get some likes. And my pants fit right and my hair is good. I'm like, okay, I get pop. Music is light sometimes, but I would like for the young people to, you know, I'd like to see in the art a little more anger.Well, I'd like to see more rock. You know, it's like when I'm looking at music coming up today, there's a great absence of strong new rock bands that. That seem like rock bands from the past.Guitar, bass.Yes, yes. I mean, God damn it, people still love that music. What the fuck is going on?Yeah. You go see AC DC there at a fucking stadium.Yeah.You can see Metallica there at a stadium.Yes. So people are going, so what the fuck happened? I mean, where is everybody?I mean, I think it's definitely there. It's just. It's. It's. Again, the. I think people, for some reason, think the music business is supposed to be the gage or that they're just like any other fucking salesman. They always have been. Just because one salesman had a cool taste and one didn't. Don't kid yourself.Right?They're not artists, they're salesmen. And there's cool people and not cool people, but they're not. You know what I mean?Yeah.And I think, like, now we live in a time and you see it a lot. You see people making comments about it and in our industry about how you're just following. Whereas before, yeah, you had things that were popular, but someone, you know, someone said, fuck. Signed the Stooges.Yeah, yeah.You know Danny Fields. Yeah, that. But he had great taste. But he was still a record company guy, a business side guy of it. Someone, you know. And, I mean, someone said, sign Susie and the banshees, or whatever. Someone said, dude, I mean, Bob Dylan. You didn't know when they made first Bob Dylan record that he'd be 83 years old. Bob Dylan today. You know what I mean?Yeah, yeah.And a lot of people said, don't sign him. He's not marketable. He's not commercial. And, you know, that's my thing where I'm looking for still that maverick spirit or somebody who does have the wherewithal and or vision to see that maybe something is a little bit outside the box still could have. Not just. It would have importance. And it can be popular as well.Well, of course. And it always has been that way. The idea that that can't. That everyone has a short attention span now and we're interested in frivolous things. No, that's not true. That's just still junk food. It's still junk food, and there's still people that like a nice meal. I'm glad you're out there, dude.Thanks.Thanks for doing this.I really appreciate it.Really enjoyed talking to you.I got to talk about a lot of weird stuff.Yes, sir. Thank you very much.Cheers.Bye, everybody.

when I watch you friends, when I see you in your element, this is obviously what you're supposed to do.

Yeah, but.

But I think I have am. I don't know if ambition is the right word, but I definitely have interest in things that have nothing to do with this.

Yeah. You know, well, that's part of being a human, right. You don't want to be isolated to one specific interest and so many fascinating things.

And isolation, that's a thing too. And I'm really happy with, would. Could we have a level of success that's greater or whatever? Yeah, maybe. I don't know. But the one thing I like about my life is I'm not the kind of. I'm nothing so well known that I still can't do my own grocery shopping. I love to cook. I like to go to the market. I like to pick out my shit, you know, or that you can't get. You know what I mean? We have access to the whole world, you know? And I don't have to worry about anyone giving a shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. The people that do like it, that come up to me wherever I am in the world, they're usually real fans. They're not celebrity people.

Right, right.

So they're like, man, I saw you at a. When you played this song, you know, that's the other thing about music. It's like rock music, you know, you can be. You can do a lot of stuff. But you know, one thing about the songs we've written, and I meet people, and people play the songs we've written at weddings and at funerals. You know what I mean? Not just parties and not just things, but like, you know, my brother I wrote, you know, when we wrote she talks to angels, I get, I I always have time and I'm always humbled by people's experiences with that song and addiction and things in their lives, whether it's them family member loss or people that have overcome things you know what I mean? And that we just wrote that song one day when we were kids, and that means so much to people. There's a lot of songs like that in our repertoire that people come up to really funny things sometimes. Like, people will pick some song. I'm like, that was your wedding song. I'm like, okay, that's weird.

Jealous.

Or more obscure, even. You know, like some weird. Like, this song called nonfiction. Like, we walked down the aisle to non. I'm like the. Nonfiction, really. It's kind of a dark song.

Well, that's it. You're giving out, you know, with music, it's like. It's an art form that changes people, people's feeling. It's when you hear a great song, it literally gives you energy completely. It's a drug. It really is. It's like an audio.

It's exactly the same. I mean, it's maddening to be with me because this is the only time during this day that I don't have music on. You know what I mean? But I listened to french music from the twenties, and I listened to, like, peruvian cumbias from the seventies, avant garde, electronic composers, whatever, you know, or blues and rock and roll and jazz and r and b and whatever, but a lot.

Yeah. Well, that means you're doing the right thing, right? Like, you really.

Well, I also need it, like you just said, not only just for energy, but, like, for some soulful connection as well. And, you know, when. Especially with, you know, when I was younger, we all suffer from depression, and some people have a more acute relationships with that. But, you know, if there's a certain melancholy that comes over me, there's only some artist that can. I can sail across that deep water with, you know what I mean? To kind of assure me that I'm not the. We're not the only ones that feel this way. We're not the only ones that are. You know, life is. Life is. That is what it is. You know what I mean? Like, not. No matter how rich you are, no matter how successful you are, no matter who you are, you still have to deal with the ups and downs of it. Absolutely. And I think adversity is the thing that really makes us who we are. You know, it's one thing as, like, being a father. I'm like, I'm not afraid of the adversity my kids face. As a matter of fact, that's what I really want to get to, is how.

Because what makes us who we are is how we deal with adversity.

And if you don't deal with any adversity. It's not good.

And if you push it under the table or this or that and avoid it.

Yeah.

Then. Then where are you? You know, where's the. And the great. And it's. These things are cliches, but the greatest lessons are the hardest ones. You know what I mean? Those are the ones that stick to you the most.

Yeah. And those are the ones that make you grow.

I have a great friend who's in a fantastic band. They just opened for us. We've been friends. They called. His name is Jim Jones. This band's called the Jim Jones All Stars. He was in a band called the Hypnotics, and we've known each other for 30 years, and he went through really deep heroin addiction in the nineties. And it's funny to talk to him. And I love him, you know, he's. But he's like, yeah, man, it was something. It was a lesson. You know what I mean? I'm like, that's a fucking tough lesson. And I'm happy you're still here to talk about it. But I love his attitude. You know what I mean? I love that spirit in people, you know what I mean? That it didn't. You know, I learned from this, and I've moved on from this, and I don't have any regrets. I don't have any resentment towards this or anger towards. About it, and it's. No one's doing but my own. That responsibility to take responsibility for stuff, you know, is a big. And that's. That's important. And I think we see a lot of that gone away, you know what I mean, with people.

And every story is different, you know what I mean? And every. Not everything is the same. And what is real and what isn't real between there, that's for everyone to figure out, for people. Yeah, but.

But the fact that that can be captured in a song and, like you said, sort of carry you through these bad moments. We realize, like, other people are experiencing grief, hardship, depression, darkness, terrible thoughts of loss. And that's the reason why those songs are so popular. It's not like people want to suffer, like. No, there's, like, something they're resonating with.

And anger is a part of that, too. You know what I mean? And it's funny, like, with the newer music, I'm like, you guys, like, the world looks pretty shitty. Aren't you guys pissed a little bit? Or you're just like, no, I'm just gonna get some likes. And my pants fit right and my hair is good. I'm like, okay, I get pop. Music is light sometimes, but I would like for the young people to, you know, I'd like to see in the art a little more anger.

Well, I'd like to see more rock. You know, it's like when I'm looking at music coming up today, there's a great absence of strong new rock bands that. That seem like rock bands from the past.

Guitar, bass.

Yes, yes. I mean, God damn it, people still love that music. What the fuck is going on?

Yeah. You go see AC DC there at a fucking stadium.

Yeah.

You can see Metallica there at a stadium.

Yes. So people are going, so what the fuck happened? I mean, where is everybody?

I mean, I think it's definitely there. It's just. It's. It's. Again, the. I think people, for some reason, think the music business is supposed to be the gage or that they're just like any other fucking salesman. They always have been. Just because one salesman had a cool taste and one didn't. Don't kid yourself.

Right?

They're not artists, they're salesmen. And there's cool people and not cool people, but they're not. You know what I mean?

Yeah.

And I think, like, now we live in a time and you see it a lot. You see people making comments about it and in our industry about how you're just following. Whereas before, yeah, you had things that were popular, but someone, you know, someone said, fuck. Signed the Stooges.

Yeah, yeah.

You know Danny Fields. Yeah, that. But he had great taste. But he was still a record company guy, a business side guy of it. Someone, you know. And, I mean, someone said, sign Susie and the banshees, or whatever. Someone said, dude, I mean, Bob Dylan. You didn't know when they made first Bob Dylan record that he'd be 83 years old. Bob Dylan today. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah.

And a lot of people said, don't sign him. He's not marketable. He's not commercial. And, you know, that's my thing where I'm looking for still that maverick spirit or somebody who does have the wherewithal and or vision to see that maybe something is a little bit outside the box still could have. Not just. It would have importance. And it can be popular as well.

Well, of course. And it always has been that way. The idea that that can't. That everyone has a short attention span now and we're interested in frivolous things. No, that's not true. That's just still junk food. It's still junk food, and there's still people that like a nice meal. I'm glad you're out there, dude.

Thanks.

Thanks for doing this.

I really appreciate it.

Really enjoyed talking to you.

I got to talk about a lot of weird stuff.

Yes, sir. Thank you very much.

Cheers.

Bye, everybody.