Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by night.cross, how it was. Because he published another book shortly afterwards that was the Dead Sea Scrolls and the christian myth. And I think it felt to me when I read that one, it's almost like he has to write a book because they took the other one away because it was kind of like saying most of the same stuff. He believed that what they were writing about, a lot of it was fertility rituals and psychedelic experiences and that they were hiding a lot of these stories.Like they were hiding the knowledge underneath these stories to try to in parables and all these different ways to try to to do this with intent and possibly aid your life.They have been shown to be hugely beneficial for soldiers, for our military men and women coming back from overseas experiencing horrific trauma to help them get past that. And yet they're illegal still by. And we're both middle aged men, right? So who is telling us what we can and can't do? This is preposterous. This is other men our age that haven't had these experiences, maintaining this control on them in a completely ignorant way. They don't even know what they are. They don't know what these things are. They don't know what the experience is. And yet they want it to be kept out of the hands of kids. We gotta keep it off the streets. We've got to keep drugs away from our society. And you don't know what you're talking about. It might be why we're here. And it also, the absence of it might be why we're so fucked up. It might be why we're so disconnected, why we're so disjointed, and our society is so hypocritical. I mean, the most pro life people are also pro death penalty. It's like across the board, everything. The people that, you know, want no crime, but don't want to stop the emergence of crime by funding programs to try to fix the inner cities.And they want to. There's. Our whole thing is disconnected. And I have a feeling that a big part of that is that we have not been given access to tools that have helped people literally become what we are today. And if they're to, you know, if you read Brian Murorescu's work and if he's correct, and these people that are studying the eleusinian mysteries and the literal emergence of democracy as we know it, probably all of it came out of psychedelic experiences.So I had Timothy Leary's old job at Harvard.That comes with a lot of weight. Yeah.And I knew some of the people that knew him. And so you could say that what happened in the 1960s, and this is relevant to the psychedelic experience, let's say, is that the emergence of mushrooms in particular and then LSD indicated to a swath of the population, like Leary and like Ken Casey, that our perceptions were locked in kind of a box in a box that we didn't even really, that we weren't even conscious of. I suppose that's the box of conformity. And the psychedelics released a wave of nonconformity and Leary crystallized that with his tune in, turn on and drop out. Now there was a major problem with that, and that was partly what led to the kickback. So you might say that the first stage of something approximating a religious revelation is the understanding that your perceptions have been constrained by forms of conformity that who that were so extensive that you didn't even understand them. You didn't even know they were there. And so you're freed from that. And then maybe the first response to that is the celebration of an unlimited hedonistic freedom. But the problem with that is that freedom from constraint and hedonism is not freedom.It's just. It's just subjugation to a kind of instinctive chaos. And that emerged with the hippie culture. And Leary in particular made a huge mistake when he said, tune in, turn on, and drop out. He should have said, tune in, turn on and grow up. I'm dead serious about that because there's a different form of responsibility that emerges once you realize that you were constrained by a conformist box, let's say like Moses when he was being a normal shepherd, that you can step outside of that, but you don't step outside of that into worship of the golden calf like in hedonistic orgies. You step outside of that with a more conscious upward aim. And if the use of transformative technologies like psychedelics isn't accompanied by that framework of enhanced responsibility, then it can degenerate into a kind of hedonistic chaos. And that's what the Nixon types were reacting to. They were terrified by it. And they had the reasons to be terrified, because as you're intimating, these technologies are unbelievably, unbelievably potent and destabilizing. Now that destabilization can be used for, let's say, for better or for worse, and it should be used for better.That's complex. It's a very complex thing to manage. And so Carl Jung said that the. One of the main functions of religion was to stop people from having religious experiences. And what he meant by that was that a direct experience of the transcendent is enough to shake you to the foundation and to destabilize not only you, but It's the answer to the selfish gene, by the way, as well.So what this story does is it takes the call to adventure, which is the instinct that makes children move out into the world. It's the spirit that you encourage. If you're a good father, it lines that up, and it says, if you follow that and let it pull you out of your zone of comfort, your life will be a blessing to you. Your reputation will grow, you'll establish something permanent, and you'll do that in a way that's good for everyone. Right? So that's a hell of a good deal. And that's the story of Abraham. Okay, so why is that relevant to the psychedelic debate? Because if you're going to move into the zone of the transcendent, you have to take on the requisite responsibility. Or the process of transcendence turns into something like a descent into unstructured chaos. And that's not an improvement. It's just a movement from tyranny into the desert. That's a good way of thinking about it symbolically. So what happens in the Exodus story, because it also details out how this should be structured, is that Moses has a vision of individual responsibility and social organization that's maximally responsibility based. So Moses tells the pharaoh to let his people go.But that's not the phrase. The phrase is, God tells moses to say this. He's LEt my people go so they may worship me in the desert. And so you move out of the TYRanny. That's what happens, let's say, in the throes of a psychedelic experiences, that the preconceptions are shattered. Now you're somewhere unstructured. Okay, well, you can't worship what's unstructured. You have to find the proper structuring for your new freedom. The vision that's put forward in the Book of Exodus is a vision of multidimensional, responsible identity. So you take on responsibility for your own life. You take on responsibility for the life of your wife or your husband. You take on responsibility for your family. You're a model for your community. You serve your state, you do what you can for YOur nation, and that's all united under your highest upward orientation. And that's ordered freedom. That's ordered freedom. It's not the same as the hedonistic freedom that the people, like Nixon and the sort of right wing conservatives of the 1960s were terrified by that kind of hedonistic anarchy. It's not freedom.It had erupted out of nowhere. I mean, we're right now in 2024. I want you to imagine 2014. It's the same. It's the same. There's nothing different other than the threat of AI and war. And socially, the world's the same. You go from 1956 to 1966, you have a completely different world. Completely different world. Everyones going crazy. The opposition to the Vietnam war has got people in the streets. Ken Kesey, Tim Leary, tune in, drop out all that. This world is changing in this radical way. There had been nothing like it. And a lot of what youre saying about these experiences happening and people just disconnecting and not having discipline and structure and just experiencing these things and just disconnecting completely from society was the problem. That was the problem.It's a major problem. Well, it's still a problem now to some degree, because people who are pursuing, let's say, non conformist freedom don't understand that the replacement for freedom isn't hedonistic anarchy. And that's partly because it's self defeating. It's also pointless.has to be let ?Telling shitty jokes.Single block of marble. Yeah. And so, so, see, that, that's, that's. That's an indication of sacred femininity because, see, the psychoanalyst said in the early part of the 20th century that the good mother necessarily fails. And so what does that mean? Well, every woman who brings a child into the world knows that the child is going to be broken by death and malevolence. Right? And so motherhood in the highest, in its highest aspect, is the offering of the child to the world to be broken. That's what's portrayed in the abrahamic story, too. With regards to Abraham, to get your child back, you offer them to the world. That's a profound indication of faith, right? That life is worthwhile despite its suffering. And it's evil and it's so good.Like the work. Like, look at his foot. Just look at the, like the detail on the to pull off. But I'm very happy with the trailers. They're extremely engaging. Every course has its own style sheet. Like, so each course has its. There's an overarching style to the platform, but every single course has its own illustration, ethos and quality. Yeah, well, you can see them now.Would you be, is this just for personal education, or will you be giving degrees?We're going to approach that in two ways. So we'll offer certification at different timespans. So, you know, generally it takes you four years to get a degree. But you could imagine that it would be useful to have a one year certificate, a two year certificate, three year certificate, four year certificate. Like, there's no compelling reason why it has to be four years. We'll keep very detailed records of our students academic progress, and they'll be able to offer them directly to employers. So we want to be able to assure employers that anybody who's gone through the certification process, that's part and parcel of Peterson Academy, has done the work and met the standards, and the standards will be high. Now, simultaneously, we're working on technical accreditation. Right? So that we can pull this so that we can have this operate as a standard university. Now, there's trade offs on that because the accreditation processes themselves are captured by the same forces that have captured the universities, and we're not going to compromise the quality of the offerings by kowtowing to accreditation processes that are producing the same problem that we're trying to address. Now, I'm in discussion with a number of different jurisdictions to move accreditation forward.If that happens, it can also be applied retroactively. So if we can figure out how to do it with an administration or a jurisdiction that's willing to do it and we don't have to compromise the quality, then we'll go the classic accreditation route. Otherwise, I'm just going to go directly to employers and say, look, we're going to be very, very careful about who we grant certification to. And you'll be able to rely on the certification from Peterson Academy as an indication of intellectual ability and also work ethic. And we'll document that by the record keeping process that we use as part and parcel of the platform. So I think we can do it. We're going to do it one way or another.How are you going to be able to assure that these students. Because it's all remote, right?Yeah.How are you going to be able to assure that they're actually doing the work that they're not utilizing AI? Like, are you going to have them write things?I can't tell you how, but we are going to.Okay.Yeah. Well, look, I've tested tens of thousands of people online. So I set up an online testing service that was used primarily by a company called the Founder Institute. And we tested 50,000 people, 60,000 people over five years in about seven different languages. And we built and developed technology to capture people who are cheating, so they don't know how we're capturing them. And I'm not going to tell youOkay, but that's not all. It gives you an identity for four years while you sort your life out. It gives you an opportunity to mature away from your parents. It gives you the opportunity to build a new network of peers, not only living peers, but peers in the historical tradition. And it gives you an opportunity to meet the person that you might be with for the rest of your life. That's a big deal. And it's a selective opportunity because you bring bright kids together who are hardworking and they get a chance to meet each other. That might be the whole value of an Ivy League education. It's hard to specify these things. Now we're trying to replicate that on Peterson Academy with the social media side and, you know, that's a new technology and we don't know how it'll work. But the fact that it's selective and it won't be full of trolls and bots and bad corporate actors should mean that people will be able to build social networks that are of high value.Because that's one of the things, obviously, that's what you do in a bloody MBA program. You know, it's not what you learn at an MBA program that confers the value of the degree. It's the fact that it was bloody difficult to get in because the GMAT is an IQ test, essentially, and the social network you build and the MBA program, you carry that with you. Well, we're doing what we can to replicate that online and we're going to make sure that we offer potential employees a record of our students progress and success so that they have some sense that the person who they hire has done the apprenticeship work on their own, necessary to accredit them as a, say, a valid student and a hard worker. And I think we can do that and I think we can do it more effectively than universities do it. I know how to measure these things.It's going to be very interesting if that becomes a criteria in which people are hired. You know, if someone, if it really does become a thing and it becomes something where people are accepting that as an education and seeking people out in that regard is going to be very interesting to see if more of those emerge. If you start a trend and then.I, at minimum we can assure, we can assure a potential employer of two things. We didn't attract a woke crowd and we didn't indoctrinate our bloody students. So that's not a bad minimum. You know, you can assure intelligence, you can ensure a work ethic because they've completed the course material. And properly we can ensure that's properly measured. But we can also say, here's a bunch of things they didn't learn right. The courses are subversive in the most traditional possible way. So we have Larry Arne, for example, who's the president of Hillsdale. He did a lecture series on Churchill. Where are you going to go to university to get a lecture series on Churchill. And Arne was Churchill's primary biographer or one of his primary biographers. So that's a big deal. You know, we've got Nigel Beggar from, from Oxbridge, lecturing on the legacy of UK colonialism. Well, you're not going to get that anywhere else. And he's a great lecturer and he's a brilliant man and very, very courageous. And Larry Arnold is in exactly the same category. So the technology we're using is revolutionary in a variety of different ways. The lectures are high quality, but the whole ethos of the educational offering is completely different than what is on offer, say, at the typical Ivy League Harvard, for example, which is such a catastrophe.Like, I was there at Harvard in the 1990s. I loved that place. It was really forward looking and aimed at excellence. With very minor exceptions, like truly minor exceptions, it was a powerhouse, man. And I went back and saw a bunch of my old professor friends month ago, you know, and they've all joined free speech movement at Harvard, and they're fighting against their own administration. And these were like the best professors I ever met in my life. And that's what they've been reduced to.When did it start.Specifically in the universities? Yes, it started with the incursion of, what would you say, modified Marxism in the 1960s and then really accelerated in the seventies. It sort of went like this. You know how things fail gradually, gradually, gradually, then suddenly. And it hit a critical. It hit critical mass in terms of failure. Probably around 20 1415, pretty much when things blew up around me. That's why they blew up around me, you know.I mean, what do you think ultimately caused it to not course correct? What do you think ultimately caused these universities to give in to that?Okay, let's talk about ultimate. So let me tell you a story, an old story. So there's a myth from Mesopotamia called the Enuma Elish, which is one of the oldest stories that we have. And let me just lay out the story, because these ancient myths capture the fundamental dynamics of culture. They're winnowed to do that. Okay, so the Mesopotamians believe that the world emerged as the interaction of two forces. We already alluded to them, chaos and order. They had a God of order, Apsu. He was a male God. He's the patriarchal patriarchy. You can think of Apsu as the patriarchy and a female God, Tiamat. Tiamat is a dragon and a dragon of chaos. And the word tiamat is the same word etymologically as the word tohu va bohu. And that's the chaos that God makes the world out of at the beginning of time in the hebrew accounts. Okay, so you have Apsu and Tiamat and they come together, chaos and order come together and they produce the first world. And in the mesopotamian account of things, that's a world of higher order gods. Now, those higher order gods forget their ancestors and go about their business, and they get increasingly fractious and undisciplined and noisy and hedonistic and immature.And at one point, they kill their father, Absu, and they try to live on his corpse. Right? So you see an echo of. This is very complicated. You see an echo of this in the story of Pinocchio. You know, there's a scene in Pinocchio where Geppetto ends up in the body of a whale. Okay? So here's the underlying biological dynamic. It's so remarkable. So imagine a society sets itself up according to a set of principles, and it stores, it about as smart as high end undergraduates. They lie a lot and you have to corner them like mad to get them to provide you with information that's valid.What have you found them lying about?Oh, they make up references that don't exist. So, for example, about, for chat GPT, about a quarter oft want to know.Right.And no wonder. Yeah. Anyways, that's why we're trying to educate people.Well, Jordan, I'm very happy you're doing this. I really am. It looks amazing. I think it's fantastic. I'm going to try some of them. I'll try some of your courses. It looks exciting.Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's do it. Go down a bit and I'll show you some of them. So we've got Brett and Heather Weinstein. So that's fun. Jonathan Pagio on symbolism and Christianity. That's excellent. James Orr, he's from Cambridge, lecturing on Plato. Marion Tupi on the economics of human flourishing. That's a very optimistic course. There's Brett and Heather. Evolutionary inference.And is this available currently?It's up now, man. It's up now. Yeah. Yeah. The greatest leaders of history. That's a great course. That's very inspiring. John Vervecki. I really like John. He's so damn smart. The boy crisis with Warren Farrell. I did a course on Nietzsche, beyond good and evil. Do you want to run that? That's a fun preview.Sure, let's run that. We'll wrap it up with this.Okay. Okay. Long books. I write in a single sentence what it takes other men a book to write that it wasn't egotistical because it happened to be true. Beyond good and evil is a cardinal work, a pro drama to the entire intellectual and political history of the 2019 20th century. Brilliant, romantic, insightful, deep, psyche shattering, dancing bit of literary genius. He's had a remarkable impact on thought over the last 140 years. It's reasonable to say that he philosophized with a hammer because his thought is. Is extraordinarily condensed. To read Nietzsche is daunting psychologically. He's like a motivational speaker. He's practical in the way that philosophers seldom are. Nietzsche in philosophy, is a call to arms. To familiarize yourself with him is to arm yourself against a sea of trouble. And since you will encounter a sea of troubles, you better pray that you're armed. And this is one way to do it.All right. How to philosophize with a hammer. Jordan, thank you very much, my friend.Hey, man. It's always a pleasure to see you, Joe.Yeah, it was very fun watching you on kill Tony, too.Oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was fun. And that was a good opportunity.You were great, too. I can't wait for that to come out. Because it's fun.No, thanks, sir, it's always a pleasure to be on your show. Always.Pleasure.Yeah.Bye, everybody.

cross, how it was. Because he published another book shortly afterwards that was the Dead Sea Scrolls and the christian myth. And I think it felt to me when I read that one, it's almost like he has to write a book because they took the other one away because it was kind of like saying most of the same stuff. He believed that what they were writing about, a lot of it was fertility rituals and psychedelic experiences and that they were hiding a lot of these stories.

Like they were hiding the knowledge underneath these stories to try to in parables and all these different ways to try to to do this with intent and possibly aid your life.They have been shown to be hugely beneficial for soldiers, for our military men and women coming back from overseas experiencing horrific trauma to help them get past that. And yet they're illegal still by. And we're both middle aged men, right? So who is telling us what we can and can't do? This is preposterous. This is other men our age that haven't had these experiences, maintaining this control on them in a completely ignorant way. They don't even know what they are. They don't know what these things are. They don't know what the experience is. And yet they want it to be kept out of the hands of kids. We gotta keep it off the streets. We've got to keep drugs away from our society. And you don't know what you're talking about. It might be why we're here. And it also, the absence of it might be why we're so fucked up. It might be why we're so disconnected, why we're so disjointed, and our society is so hypocritical. I mean, the most pro life people are also pro death penalty. It's like across the board, everything. The people that, you know, want no crime, but don't want to stop the emergence of crime by funding programs to try to fix the inner cities.And they want to. There's. Our whole thing is disconnected. And I have a feeling that a big part of that is that we have not been given access to tools that have helped people literally become what we are today. And if they're to, you know, if you read Brian Murorescu's work and if he's correct, and these people that are studying the eleusinian mysteries and the literal emergence of democracy as we know it, probably all of it came out of psychedelic experiences.So I had Timothy Leary's old job at Harvard.That comes with a lot of weight. Yeah.And I knew some of the people that knew him. And so you could say that what happened in the 1960s, and this is relevant to the psychedelic experience, let's say, is that the emergence of mushrooms in particular and then LSD indicated to a swath of the population, like Leary and like Ken Casey, that our perceptions were locked in kind of a box in a box that we didn't even really, that we weren't even conscious of. I suppose that's the box of conformity. And the psychedelics released a wave of nonconformity and Leary crystallized that with his tune in, turn on and drop out. Now there was a major problem with that, and that was partly what led to the kickback. So you might say that the first stage of something approximating a religious revelation is the understanding that your perceptions have been constrained by forms of conformity that who that were so extensive that you didn't even understand them. You didn't even know they were there. And so you're freed from that. And then maybe the first response to that is the celebration of an unlimited hedonistic freedom. But the problem with that is that freedom from constraint and hedonism is not freedom.It's just. It's just subjugation to a kind of instinctive chaos. And that emerged with the hippie culture. And Leary in particular made a huge mistake when he said, tune in, turn on, and drop out. He should have said, tune in, turn on and grow up. I'm dead serious about that because there's a different form of responsibility that emerges once you realize that you were constrained by a conformist box, let's say like Moses when he was being a normal shepherd, that you can step outside of that, but you don't step outside of that into worship of the golden calf like in hedonistic orgies. You step outside of that with a more conscious upward aim. And if the use of transformative technologies like psychedelics isn't accompanied by that framework of enhanced responsibility, then it can degenerate into a kind of hedonistic chaos. And that's what the Nixon types were reacting to. They were terrified by it. And they had the reasons to be terrified, because as you're intimating, these technologies are unbelievably, unbelievably potent and destabilizing. Now that destabilization can be used for, let's say, for better or for worse, and it should be used for better.That's complex. It's a very complex thing to manage. And so Carl Jung said that the. One of the main functions of religion was to stop people from having religious experiences. And what he meant by that was that a direct experience of the transcendent is enough to shake you to the foundation and to destabilize not only you, but It's the answer to the selfish gene, by the way, as well.So what this story does is it takes the call to adventure, which is the instinct that makes children move out into the world. It's the spirit that you encourage. If you're a good father, it lines that up, and it says, if you follow that and let it pull you out of your zone of comfort, your life will be a blessing to you. Your reputation will grow, you'll establish something permanent, and you'll do that in a way that's good for everyone. Right? So that's a hell of a good deal. And that's the story of Abraham. Okay, so why is that relevant to the psychedelic debate? Because if you're going to move into the zone of the transcendent, you have to take on the requisite responsibility. Or the process of transcendence turns into something like a descent into unstructured chaos. And that's not an improvement. It's just a movement from tyranny into the desert. That's a good way of thinking about it symbolically. So what happens in the Exodus story, because it also details out how this should be structured, is that Moses has a vision of individual responsibility and social organization that's maximally responsibility based. So Moses tells the pharaoh to let his people go.But that's not the phrase. The phrase is, God tells moses to say this. He's LEt my people go so they may worship me in the desert. And so you move out of the TYRanny. That's what happens, let's say, in the throes of a psychedelic experiences, that the preconceptions are shattered. Now you're somewhere unstructured. Okay, well, you can't worship what's unstructured. You have to find the proper structuring for your new freedom. The vision that's put forward in the Book of Exodus is a vision of multidimensional, responsible identity. So you take on responsibility for your own life. You take on responsibility for the life of your wife or your husband. You take on responsibility for your family. You're a model for your community. You serve your state, you do what you can for YOur nation, and that's all united under your highest upward orientation. And that's ordered freedom. That's ordered freedom. It's not the same as the hedonistic freedom that the people, like Nixon and the sort of right wing conservatives of the 1960s were terrified by that kind of hedonistic anarchy. It's not freedom.It had erupted out of nowhere. I mean, we're right now in 2024. I want you to imagine 2014. It's the same. It's the same. There's nothing different other than the threat of AI and war. And socially, the world's the same. You go from 1956 to 1966, you have a completely different world. Completely different world. Everyones going crazy. The opposition to the Vietnam war has got people in the streets. Ken Kesey, Tim Leary, tune in, drop out all that. This world is changing in this radical way. There had been nothing like it. And a lot of what youre saying about these experiences happening and people just disconnecting and not having discipline and structure and just experiencing these things and just disconnecting completely from society was the problem. That was the problem.It's a major problem. Well, it's still a problem now to some degree, because people who are pursuing, let's say, non conformist freedom don't understand that the replacement for freedom isn't hedonistic anarchy. And that's partly because it's self defeating. It's also pointless.has to be let ?Telling shitty jokes.Single block of marble. Yeah. And so, so, see, that, that's, that's. That's an indication of sacred femininity because, see, the psychoanalyst said in the early part of the 20th century that the good mother necessarily fails. And so what does that mean? Well, every woman who brings a child into the world knows that the child is going to be broken by death and malevolence. Right? And so motherhood in the highest, in its highest aspect, is the offering of the child to the world to be broken. That's what's portrayed in the abrahamic story, too. With regards to Abraham, to get your child back, you offer them to the world. That's a profound indication of faith, right? That life is worthwhile despite its suffering. And it's evil and it's so good.Like the work. Like, look at his foot. Just look at the, like the detail on the to pull off. But I'm very happy with the trailers. They're extremely engaging. Every course has its own style sheet. Like, so each course has its. There's an overarching style to the platform, but every single course has its own illustration, ethos and quality. Yeah, well, you can see them now.Would you be, is this just for personal education, or will you be giving degrees?We're going to approach that in two ways. So we'll offer certification at different timespans. So, you know, generally it takes you four years to get a degree. But you could imagine that it would be useful to have a one year certificate, a two year certificate, three year certificate, four year certificate. Like, there's no compelling reason why it has to be four years. We'll keep very detailed records of our students academic progress, and they'll be able to offer them directly to employers. So we want to be able to assure employers that anybody who's gone through the certification process, that's part and parcel of Peterson Academy, has done the work and met the standards, and the standards will be high. Now, simultaneously, we're working on technical accreditation. Right? So that we can pull this so that we can have this operate as a standard university. Now, there's trade offs on that because the accreditation processes themselves are captured by the same forces that have captured the universities, and we're not going to compromise the quality of the offerings by kowtowing to accreditation processes that are producing the same problem that we're trying to address. Now, I'm in discussion with a number of different jurisdictions to move accreditation forward.If that happens, it can also be applied retroactively. So if we can figure out how to do it with an administration or a jurisdiction that's willing to do it and we don't have to compromise the quality, then we'll go the classic accreditation route. Otherwise, I'm just going to go directly to employers and say, look, we're going to be very, very careful about who we grant certification to. And you'll be able to rely on the certification from Peterson Academy as an indication of intellectual ability and also work ethic. And we'll document that by the record keeping process that we use as part and parcel of the platform. So I think we can do it. We're going to do it one way or another.How are you going to be able to assure that these students. Because it's all remote, right?Yeah.How are you going to be able to assure that they're actually doing the work that they're not utilizing AI? Like, are you going to have them write things?I can't tell you how, but we are going to.Okay.Yeah. Well, look, I've tested tens of thousands of people online. So I set up an online testing service that was used primarily by a company called the Founder Institute. And we tested 50,000 people, 60,000 people over five years in about seven different languages. And we built and developed technology to capture people who are cheating, so they don't know how we're capturing them. And I'm not going to tell youOkay, but that's not all. It gives you an identity for four years while you sort your life out. It gives you an opportunity to mature away from your parents. It gives you the opportunity to build a new network of peers, not only living peers, but peers in the historical tradition. And it gives you an opportunity to meet the person that you might be with for the rest of your life. That's a big deal. And it's a selective opportunity because you bring bright kids together who are hardworking and they get a chance to meet each other. That might be the whole value of an Ivy League education. It's hard to specify these things. Now we're trying to replicate that on Peterson Academy with the social media side and, you know, that's a new technology and we don't know how it'll work. But the fact that it's selective and it won't be full of trolls and bots and bad corporate actors should mean that people will be able to build social networks that are of high value.Because that's one of the things, obviously, that's what you do in a bloody MBA program. You know, it's not what you learn at an MBA program that confers the value of the degree. It's the fact that it was bloody difficult to get in because the GMAT is an IQ test, essentially, and the social network you build and the MBA program, you carry that with you. Well, we're doing what we can to replicate that online and we're going to make sure that we offer potential employees a record of our students progress and success so that they have some sense that the person who they hire has done the apprenticeship work on their own, necessary to accredit them as a, say, a valid student and a hard worker. And I think we can do that and I think we can do it more effectively than universities do it. I know how to measure these things.It's going to be very interesting if that becomes a criteria in which people are hired. You know, if someone, if it really does become a thing and it becomes something where people are accepting that as an education and seeking people out in that regard is going to be very interesting to see if more of those emerge. If you start a trend and then.I, at minimum we can assure, we can assure a potential employer of two things. We didn't attract a woke crowd and we didn't indoctrinate our bloody students. So that's not a bad minimum. You know, you can assure intelligence, you can ensure a work ethic because they've completed the course material. And properly we can ensure that's properly measured. But we can also say, here's a bunch of things they didn't learn right. The courses are subversive in the most traditional possible way. So we have Larry Arne, for example, who's the president of Hillsdale. He did a lecture series on Churchill. Where are you going to go to university to get a lecture series on Churchill. And Arne was Churchill's primary biographer or one of his primary biographers. So that's a big deal. You know, we've got Nigel Beggar from, from Oxbridge, lecturing on the legacy of UK colonialism. Well, you're not going to get that anywhere else. And he's a great lecturer and he's a brilliant man and very, very courageous. And Larry Arnold is in exactly the same category. So the technology we're using is revolutionary in a variety of different ways. The lectures are high quality, but the whole ethos of the educational offering is completely different than what is on offer, say, at the typical Ivy League Harvard, for example, which is such a catastrophe.Like, I was there at Harvard in the 1990s. I loved that place. It was really forward looking and aimed at excellence. With very minor exceptions, like truly minor exceptions, it was a powerhouse, man. And I went back and saw a bunch of my old professor friends month ago, you know, and they've all joined free speech movement at Harvard, and they're fighting against their own administration. And these were like the best professors I ever met in my life. And that's what they've been reduced to.When did it start.Specifically in the universities? Yes, it started with the incursion of, what would you say, modified Marxism in the 1960s and then really accelerated in the seventies. It sort of went like this. You know how things fail gradually, gradually, gradually, then suddenly. And it hit a critical. It hit critical mass in terms of failure. Probably around 20 1415, pretty much when things blew up around me. That's why they blew up around me, you know.I mean, what do you think ultimately caused it to not course correct? What do you think ultimately caused these universities to give in to that?Okay, let's talk about ultimate. So let me tell you a story, an old story. So there's a myth from Mesopotamia called the Enuma Elish, which is one of the oldest stories that we have. And let me just lay out the story, because these ancient myths capture the fundamental dynamics of culture. They're winnowed to do that. Okay, so the Mesopotamians believe that the world emerged as the interaction of two forces. We already alluded to them, chaos and order. They had a God of order, Apsu. He was a male God. He's the patriarchal patriarchy. You can think of Apsu as the patriarchy and a female God, Tiamat. Tiamat is a dragon and a dragon of chaos. And the word tiamat is the same word etymologically as the word tohu va bohu. And that's the chaos that God makes the world out of at the beginning of time in the hebrew accounts. Okay, so you have Apsu and Tiamat and they come together, chaos and order come together and they produce the first world. And in the mesopotamian account of things, that's a world of higher order gods. Now, those higher order gods forget their ancestors and go about their business, and they get increasingly fractious and undisciplined and noisy and hedonistic and immature.And at one point, they kill their father, Absu, and they try to live on his corpse. Right? So you see an echo of. This is very complicated. You see an echo of this in the story of Pinocchio. You know, there's a scene in Pinocchio where Geppetto ends up in the body of a whale. Okay? So here's the underlying biological dynamic. It's so remarkable. So imagine a society sets itself up according to a set of principles, and it stores, it about as smart as high end undergraduates. They lie a lot and you have to corner them like mad to get them to provide you with information that's valid.What have you found them lying about?Oh, they make up references that don't exist. So, for example, about, for chat GPT, about a quarter oft want to know.Right.And no wonder. Yeah. Anyways, that's why we're trying to educate people.Well, Jordan, I'm very happy you're doing this. I really am. It looks amazing. I think it's fantastic. I'm going to try some of them. I'll try some of your courses. It looks exciting.Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's do it. Go down a bit and I'll show you some of them. So we've got Brett and Heather Weinstein. So that's fun. Jonathan Pagio on symbolism and Christianity. That's excellent. James Orr, he's from Cambridge, lecturing on Plato. Marion Tupi on the economics of human flourishing. That's a very optimistic course. There's Brett and Heather. Evolutionary inference.And is this available currently?It's up now, man. It's up now. Yeah. Yeah. The greatest leaders of history. That's a great course. That's very inspiring. John Vervecki. I really like John. He's so damn smart. The boy crisis with Warren Farrell. I did a course on Nietzsche, beyond good and evil. Do you want to run that? That's a fun preview.Sure, let's run that. We'll wrap it up with this.Okay. Okay. Long books. I write in a single sentence what it takes other men a book to write that it wasn't egotistical because it happened to be true. Beyond good and evil is a cardinal work, a pro drama to the entire intellectual and political history of the 2019 20th century. Brilliant, romantic, insightful, deep, psyche shattering, dancing bit of literary genius. He's had a remarkable impact on thought over the last 140 years. It's reasonable to say that he philosophized with a hammer because his thought is. Is extraordinarily condensed. To read Nietzsche is daunting psychologically. He's like a motivational speaker. He's practical in the way that philosophers seldom are. Nietzsche in philosophy, is a call to arms. To familiarize yourself with him is to arm yourself against a sea of trouble. And since you will encounter a sea of troubles, you better pray that you're armed. And this is one way to do it.All right. How to philosophize with a hammer. Jordan, thank you very much, my friend.Hey, man. It's always a pleasure to see you, Joe.Yeah, it was very fun watching you on kill Tony, too.Oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was fun. And that was a good opportunity.You were great, too. I can't wait for that to come out. Because it's fun.No, thanks, sir, it's always a pleasure to be on your show. Always.Pleasure.Yeah.Bye, everybody.

to do this with intent and possibly aid your life.

They have been shown to be hugely beneficial for soldiers, for our military men and women coming back from overseas experiencing horrific trauma to help them get past that. And yet they're illegal still by. And we're both middle aged men, right? So who is telling us what we can and can't do? This is preposterous. This is other men our age that haven't had these experiences, maintaining this control on them in a completely ignorant way. They don't even know what they are. They don't know what these things are. They don't know what the experience is. And yet they want it to be kept out of the hands of kids. We gotta keep it off the streets. We've got to keep drugs away from our society. And you don't know what you're talking about. It might be why we're here. And it also, the absence of it might be why we're so fucked up. It might be why we're so disconnected, why we're so disjointed, and our society is so hypocritical. I mean, the most pro life people are also pro death penalty. It's like across the board, everything. The people that, you know, want no crime, but don't want to stop the emergence of crime by funding programs to try to fix the inner cities.

And they want to. There's. Our whole thing is disconnected. And I have a feeling that a big part of that is that we have not been given access to tools that have helped people literally become what we are today. And if they're to, you know, if you read Brian Murorescu's work and if he's correct, and these people that are studying the eleusinian mysteries and the literal emergence of democracy as we know it, probably all of it came out of psychedelic experiences.

So I had Timothy Leary's old job at Harvard.

That comes with a lot of weight. Yeah.

And I knew some of the people that knew him. And so you could say that what happened in the 1960s, and this is relevant to the psychedelic experience, let's say, is that the emergence of mushrooms in particular and then LSD indicated to a swath of the population, like Leary and like Ken Casey, that our perceptions were locked in kind of a box in a box that we didn't even really, that we weren't even conscious of. I suppose that's the box of conformity. And the psychedelics released a wave of nonconformity and Leary crystallized that with his tune in, turn on and drop out. Now there was a major problem with that, and that was partly what led to the kickback. So you might say that the first stage of something approximating a religious revelation is the understanding that your perceptions have been constrained by forms of conformity that who that were so extensive that you didn't even understand them. You didn't even know they were there. And so you're freed from that. And then maybe the first response to that is the celebration of an unlimited hedonistic freedom. But the problem with that is that freedom from constraint and hedonism is not freedom.

It's just. It's just subjugation to a kind of instinctive chaos. And that emerged with the hippie culture. And Leary in particular made a huge mistake when he said, tune in, turn on, and drop out. He should have said, tune in, turn on and grow up. I'm dead serious about that because there's a different form of responsibility that emerges once you realize that you were constrained by a conformist box, let's say like Moses when he was being a normal shepherd, that you can step outside of that, but you don't step outside of that into worship of the golden calf like in hedonistic orgies. You step outside of that with a more conscious upward aim. And if the use of transformative technologies like psychedelics isn't accompanied by that framework of enhanced responsibility, then it can degenerate into a kind of hedonistic chaos. And that's what the Nixon types were reacting to. They were terrified by it. And they had the reasons to be terrified, because as you're intimating, these technologies are unbelievably, unbelievably potent and destabilizing. Now that destabilization can be used for, let's say, for better or for worse, and it should be used for better.

That's complex. It's a very complex thing to manage. And so Carl Jung said that the. One of the main functions of religion was to stop people from having religious experiences. And what he meant by that was that a direct experience of the transcendent is enough to shake you to the foundation and to destabilize not only you, but It's the answer to the selfish gene, by the way, as well.So what this story does is it takes the call to adventure, which is the instinct that makes children move out into the world. It's the spirit that you encourage. If you're a good father, it lines that up, and it says, if you follow that and let it pull you out of your zone of comfort, your life will be a blessing to you. Your reputation will grow, you'll establish something permanent, and you'll do that in a way that's good for everyone. Right? So that's a hell of a good deal. And that's the story of Abraham. Okay, so why is that relevant to the psychedelic debate? Because if you're going to move into the zone of the transcendent, you have to take on the requisite responsibility. Or the process of transcendence turns into something like a descent into unstructured chaos. And that's not an improvement. It's just a movement from tyranny into the desert. That's a good way of thinking about it symbolically. So what happens in the Exodus story, because it also details out how this should be structured, is that Moses has a vision of individual responsibility and social organization that's maximally responsibility based. So Moses tells the pharaoh to let his people go.But that's not the phrase. The phrase is, God tells moses to say this. He's LEt my people go so they may worship me in the desert. And so you move out of the TYRanny. That's what happens, let's say, in the throes of a psychedelic experiences, that the preconceptions are shattered. Now you're somewhere unstructured. Okay, well, you can't worship what's unstructured. You have to find the proper structuring for your new freedom. The vision that's put forward in the Book of Exodus is a vision of multidimensional, responsible identity. So you take on responsibility for your own life. You take on responsibility for the life of your wife or your husband. You take on responsibility for your family. You're a model for your community. You serve your state, you do what you can for YOur nation, and that's all united under your highest upward orientation. And that's ordered freedom. That's ordered freedom. It's not the same as the hedonistic freedom that the people, like Nixon and the sort of right wing conservatives of the 1960s were terrified by that kind of hedonistic anarchy. It's not freedom.It had erupted out of nowhere. I mean, we're right now in 2024. I want you to imagine 2014. It's the same. It's the same. There's nothing different other than the threat of AI and war. And socially, the world's the same. You go from 1956 to 1966, you have a completely different world. Completely different world. Everyones going crazy. The opposition to the Vietnam war has got people in the streets. Ken Kesey, Tim Leary, tune in, drop out all that. This world is changing in this radical way. There had been nothing like it. And a lot of what youre saying about these experiences happening and people just disconnecting and not having discipline and structure and just experiencing these things and just disconnecting completely from society was the problem. That was the problem.It's a major problem. Well, it's still a problem now to some degree, because people who are pursuing, let's say, non conformist freedom don't understand that the replacement for freedom isn't hedonistic anarchy. And that's partly because it's self defeating. It's also pointless.has to be let ?Telling shitty jokes.Single block of marble. Yeah. And so, so, see, that, that's, that's. That's an indication of sacred femininity because, see, the psychoanalyst said in the early part of the 20th century that the good mother necessarily fails. And so what does that mean? Well, every woman who brings a child into the world knows that the child is going to be broken by death and malevolence. Right? And so motherhood in the highest, in its highest aspect, is the offering of the child to the world to be broken. That's what's portrayed in the abrahamic story, too. With regards to Abraham, to get your child back, you offer them to the world. That's a profound indication of faith, right? That life is worthwhile despite its suffering. And it's evil and it's so good.Like the work. Like, look at his foot. Just look at the, like the detail on the to pull off. But I'm very happy with the trailers. They're extremely engaging. Every course has its own style sheet. Like, so each course has its. There's an overarching style to the platform, but every single course has its own illustration, ethos and quality. Yeah, well, you can see them now.Would you be, is this just for personal education, or will you be giving degrees?We're going to approach that in two ways. So we'll offer certification at different timespans. So, you know, generally it takes you four years to get a degree. But you could imagine that it would be useful to have a one year certificate, a two year certificate, three year certificate, four year certificate. Like, there's no compelling reason why it has to be four years. We'll keep very detailed records of our students academic progress, and they'll be able to offer them directly to employers. So we want to be able to assure employers that anybody who's gone through the certification process, that's part and parcel of Peterson Academy, has done the work and met the standards, and the standards will be high. Now, simultaneously, we're working on technical accreditation. Right? So that we can pull this so that we can have this operate as a standard university. Now, there's trade offs on that because the accreditation processes themselves are captured by the same forces that have captured the universities, and we're not going to compromise the quality of the offerings by kowtowing to accreditation processes that are producing the same problem that we're trying to address. Now, I'm in discussion with a number of different jurisdictions to move accreditation forward.If that happens, it can also be applied retroactively. So if we can figure out how to do it with an administration or a jurisdiction that's willing to do it and we don't have to compromise the quality, then we'll go the classic accreditation route. Otherwise, I'm just going to go directly to employers and say, look, we're going to be very, very careful about who we grant certification to. And you'll be able to rely on the certification from Peterson Academy as an indication of intellectual ability and also work ethic. And we'll document that by the record keeping process that we use as part and parcel of the platform. So I think we can do it. We're going to do it one way or another.How are you going to be able to assure that these students. Because it's all remote, right?Yeah.How are you going to be able to assure that they're actually doing the work that they're not utilizing AI? Like, are you going to have them write things?I can't tell you how, but we are going to.Okay.Yeah. Well, look, I've tested tens of thousands of people online. So I set up an online testing service that was used primarily by a company called the Founder Institute. And we tested 50,000 people, 60,000 people over five years in about seven different languages. And we built and developed technology to capture people who are cheating, so they don't know how we're capturing them. And I'm not going to tell youOkay, but that's not all. It gives you an identity for four years while you sort your life out. It gives you an opportunity to mature away from your parents. It gives you the opportunity to build a new network of peers, not only living peers, but peers in the historical tradition. And it gives you an opportunity to meet the person that you might be with for the rest of your life. That's a big deal. And it's a selective opportunity because you bring bright kids together who are hardworking and they get a chance to meet each other. That might be the whole value of an Ivy League education. It's hard to specify these things. Now we're trying to replicate that on Peterson Academy with the social media side and, you know, that's a new technology and we don't know how it'll work. But the fact that it's selective and it won't be full of trolls and bots and bad corporate actors should mean that people will be able to build social networks that are of high value.Because that's one of the things, obviously, that's what you do in a bloody MBA program. You know, it's not what you learn at an MBA program that confers the value of the degree. It's the fact that it was bloody difficult to get in because the GMAT is an IQ test, essentially, and the social network you build and the MBA program, you carry that with you. Well, we're doing what we can to replicate that online and we're going to make sure that we offer potential employees a record of our students progress and success so that they have some sense that the person who they hire has done the apprenticeship work on their own, necessary to accredit them as a, say, a valid student and a hard worker. And I think we can do that and I think we can do it more effectively than universities do it. I know how to measure these things.It's going to be very interesting if that becomes a criteria in which people are hired. You know, if someone, if it really does become a thing and it becomes something where people are accepting that as an education and seeking people out in that regard is going to be very interesting to see if more of those emerge. If you start a trend and then.I, at minimum we can assure, we can assure a potential employer of two things. We didn't attract a woke crowd and we didn't indoctrinate our bloody students. So that's not a bad minimum. You know, you can assure intelligence, you can ensure a work ethic because they've completed the course material. And properly we can ensure that's properly measured. But we can also say, here's a bunch of things they didn't learn right. The courses are subversive in the most traditional possible way. So we have Larry Arne, for example, who's the president of Hillsdale. He did a lecture series on Churchill. Where are you going to go to university to get a lecture series on Churchill. And Arne was Churchill's primary biographer or one of his primary biographers. So that's a big deal. You know, we've got Nigel Beggar from, from Oxbridge, lecturing on the legacy of UK colonialism. Well, you're not going to get that anywhere else. And he's a great lecturer and he's a brilliant man and very, very courageous. And Larry Arnold is in exactly the same category. So the technology we're using is revolutionary in a variety of different ways. The lectures are high quality, but the whole ethos of the educational offering is completely different than what is on offer, say, at the typical Ivy League Harvard, for example, which is such a catastrophe.Like, I was there at Harvard in the 1990s. I loved that place. It was really forward looking and aimed at excellence. With very minor exceptions, like truly minor exceptions, it was a powerhouse, man. And I went back and saw a bunch of my old professor friends month ago, you know, and they've all joined free speech movement at Harvard, and they're fighting against their own administration. And these were like the best professors I ever met in my life. And that's what they've been reduced to.When did it start.Specifically in the universities? Yes, it started with the incursion of, what would you say, modified Marxism in the 1960s and then really accelerated in the seventies. It sort of went like this. You know how things fail gradually, gradually, gradually, then suddenly. And it hit a critical. It hit critical mass in terms of failure. Probably around 20 1415, pretty much when things blew up around me. That's why they blew up around me, you know.I mean, what do you think ultimately caused it to not course correct? What do you think ultimately caused these universities to give in to that?Okay, let's talk about ultimate. So let me tell you a story, an old story. So there's a myth from Mesopotamia called the Enuma Elish, which is one of the oldest stories that we have. And let me just lay out the story, because these ancient myths capture the fundamental dynamics of culture. They're winnowed to do that. Okay, so the Mesopotamians believe that the world emerged as the interaction of two forces. We already alluded to them, chaos and order. They had a God of order, Apsu. He was a male God. He's the patriarchal patriarchy. You can think of Apsu as the patriarchy and a female God, Tiamat. Tiamat is a dragon and a dragon of chaos. And the word tiamat is the same word etymologically as the word tohu va bohu. And that's the chaos that God makes the world out of at the beginning of time in the hebrew accounts. Okay, so you have Apsu and Tiamat and they come together, chaos and order come together and they produce the first world. And in the mesopotamian account of things, that's a world of higher order gods. Now, those higher order gods forget their ancestors and go about their business, and they get increasingly fractious and undisciplined and noisy and hedonistic and immature.And at one point, they kill their father, Absu, and they try to live on his corpse. Right? So you see an echo of. This is very complicated. You see an echo of this in the story of Pinocchio. You know, there's a scene in Pinocchio where Geppetto ends up in the body of a whale. Okay? So here's the underlying biological dynamic. It's so remarkable. So imagine a society sets itself up according to a set of principles, and it stores, it about as smart as high end undergraduates. They lie a lot and you have to corner them like mad to get them to provide you with information that's valid.What have you found them lying about?Oh, they make up references that don't exist. So, for example, about, for chat GPT, about a quarter oft want to know.Right.And no wonder. Yeah. Anyways, that's why we're trying to educate people.Well, Jordan, I'm very happy you're doing this. I really am. It looks amazing. I think it's fantastic. I'm going to try some of them. I'll try some of your courses. It looks exciting.Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's do it. Go down a bit and I'll show you some of them. So we've got Brett and Heather Weinstein. So that's fun. Jonathan Pagio on symbolism and Christianity. That's excellent. James Orr, he's from Cambridge, lecturing on Plato. Marion Tupi on the economics of human flourishing. That's a very optimistic course. There's Brett and Heather. Evolutionary inference.And is this available currently?It's up now, man. It's up now. Yeah. Yeah. The greatest leaders of history. That's a great course. That's very inspiring. John Vervecki. I really like John. He's so damn smart. The boy crisis with Warren Farrell. I did a course on Nietzsche, beyond good and evil. Do you want to run that? That's a fun preview.Sure, let's run that. We'll wrap it up with this.Okay. Okay. Long books. I write in a single sentence what it takes other men a book to write that it wasn't egotistical because it happened to be true. Beyond good and evil is a cardinal work, a pro drama to the entire intellectual and political history of the 2019 20th century. Brilliant, romantic, insightful, deep, psyche shattering, dancing bit of literary genius. He's had a remarkable impact on thought over the last 140 years. It's reasonable to say that he philosophized with a hammer because his thought is. Is extraordinarily condensed. To read Nietzsche is daunting psychologically. He's like a motivational speaker. He's practical in the way that philosophers seldom are. Nietzsche in philosophy, is a call to arms. To familiarize yourself with him is to arm yourself against a sea of trouble. And since you will encounter a sea of troubles, you better pray that you're armed. And this is one way to do it.All right. How to philosophize with a hammer. Jordan, thank you very much, my friend.Hey, man. It's always a pleasure to see you, Joe.Yeah, it was very fun watching you on kill Tony, too.Oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was fun. And that was a good opportunity.You were great, too. I can't wait for that to come out. Because it's fun.No, thanks, sir, it's always a pleasure to be on your show. Always.Pleasure.Yeah.Bye, everybody.

It's the answer to the selfish gene, by the way, as well.

So what this story does is it takes the call to adventure, which is the instinct that makes children move out into the world. It's the spirit that you encourage. If you're a good father, it lines that up, and it says, if you follow that and let it pull you out of your zone of comfort, your life will be a blessing to you. Your reputation will grow, you'll establish something permanent, and you'll do that in a way that's good for everyone. Right? So that's a hell of a good deal. And that's the story of Abraham. Okay, so why is that relevant to the psychedelic debate? Because if you're going to move into the zone of the transcendent, you have to take on the requisite responsibility. Or the process of transcendence turns into something like a descent into unstructured chaos. And that's not an improvement. It's just a movement from tyranny into the desert. That's a good way of thinking about it symbolically. So what happens in the Exodus story, because it also details out how this should be structured, is that Moses has a vision of individual responsibility and social organization that's maximally responsibility based. So Moses tells the pharaoh to let his people go.

But that's not the phrase. The phrase is, God tells moses to say this. He's LEt my people go so they may worship me in the desert. And so you move out of the TYRanny. That's what happens, let's say, in the throes of a psychedelic experiences, that the preconceptions are shattered. Now you're somewhere unstructured. Okay, well, you can't worship what's unstructured. You have to find the proper structuring for your new freedom. The vision that's put forward in the Book of Exodus is a vision of multidimensional, responsible identity. So you take on responsibility for your own life. You take on responsibility for the life of your wife or your husband. You take on responsibility for your family. You're a model for your community. You serve your state, you do what you can for YOur nation, and that's all united under your highest upward orientation. And that's ordered freedom. That's ordered freedom. It's not the same as the hedonistic freedom that the people, like Nixon and the sort of right wing conservatives of the 1960s were terrified by that kind of hedonistic anarchy. It's not freedom.

It had erupted out of nowhere. I mean, we're right now in 2024. I want you to imagine 2014. It's the same. It's the same. There's nothing different other than the threat of AI and war. And socially, the world's the same. You go from 1956 to 1966, you have a completely different world. Completely different world. Everyones going crazy. The opposition to the Vietnam war has got people in the streets. Ken Kesey, Tim Leary, tune in, drop out all that. This world is changing in this radical way. There had been nothing like it. And a lot of what youre saying about these experiences happening and people just disconnecting and not having discipline and structure and just experiencing these things and just disconnecting completely from society was the problem. That was the problem.

It's a major problem. Well, it's still a problem now to some degree, because people who are pursuing, let's say, non conformist freedom don't understand that the replacement for freedom isn't hedonistic anarchy. And that's partly because it's self defeating. It's also pointless.has to be let ?Telling shitty jokes.Single block of marble. Yeah. And so, so, see, that, that's, that's. That's an indication of sacred femininity because, see, the psychoanalyst said in the early part of the 20th century that the good mother necessarily fails. And so what does that mean? Well, every woman who brings a child into the world knows that the child is going to be broken by death and malevolence. Right? And so motherhood in the highest, in its highest aspect, is the offering of the child to the world to be broken. That's what's portrayed in the abrahamic story, too. With regards to Abraham, to get your child back, you offer them to the world. That's a profound indication of faith, right? That life is worthwhile despite its suffering. And it's evil and it's so good.Like the work. Like, look at his foot. Just look at the, like the detail on the to pull off. But I'm very happy with the trailers. They're extremely engaging. Every course has its own style sheet. Like, so each course has its. There's an overarching style to the platform, but every single course has its own illustration, ethos and quality. Yeah, well, you can see them now.Would you be, is this just for personal education, or will you be giving degrees?We're going to approach that in two ways. So we'll offer certification at different timespans. So, you know, generally it takes you four years to get a degree. But you could imagine that it would be useful to have a one year certificate, a two year certificate, three year certificate, four year certificate. Like, there's no compelling reason why it has to be four years. We'll keep very detailed records of our students academic progress, and they'll be able to offer them directly to employers. So we want to be able to assure employers that anybody who's gone through the certification process, that's part and parcel of Peterson Academy, has done the work and met the standards, and the standards will be high. Now, simultaneously, we're working on technical accreditation. Right? So that we can pull this so that we can have this operate as a standard university. Now, there's trade offs on that because the accreditation processes themselves are captured by the same forces that have captured the universities, and we're not going to compromise the quality of the offerings by kowtowing to accreditation processes that are producing the same problem that we're trying to address. Now, I'm in discussion with a number of different jurisdictions to move accreditation forward.If that happens, it can also be applied retroactively. So if we can figure out how to do it with an administration or a jurisdiction that's willing to do it and we don't have to compromise the quality, then we'll go the classic accreditation route. Otherwise, I'm just going to go directly to employers and say, look, we're going to be very, very careful about who we grant certification to. And you'll be able to rely on the certification from Peterson Academy as an indication of intellectual ability and also work ethic. And we'll document that by the record keeping process that we use as part and parcel of the platform. So I think we can do it. We're going to do it one way or another.How are you going to be able to assure that these students. Because it's all remote, right?Yeah.How are you going to be able to assure that they're actually doing the work that they're not utilizing AI? Like, are you going to have them write things?I can't tell you how, but we are going to.Okay.Yeah. Well, look, I've tested tens of thousands of people online. So I set up an online testing service that was used primarily by a company called the Founder Institute. And we tested 50,000 people, 60,000 people over five years in about seven different languages. And we built and developed technology to capture people who are cheating, so they don't know how we're capturing them. And I'm not going to tell youOkay, but that's not all. It gives you an identity for four years while you sort your life out. It gives you an opportunity to mature away from your parents. It gives you the opportunity to build a new network of peers, not only living peers, but peers in the historical tradition. And it gives you an opportunity to meet the person that you might be with for the rest of your life. That's a big deal. And it's a selective opportunity because you bring bright kids together who are hardworking and they get a chance to meet each other. That might be the whole value of an Ivy League education. It's hard to specify these things. Now we're trying to replicate that on Peterson Academy with the social media side and, you know, that's a new technology and we don't know how it'll work. But the fact that it's selective and it won't be full of trolls and bots and bad corporate actors should mean that people will be able to build social networks that are of high value.Because that's one of the things, obviously, that's what you do in a bloody MBA program. You know, it's not what you learn at an MBA program that confers the value of the degree. It's the fact that it was bloody difficult to get in because the GMAT is an IQ test, essentially, and the social network you build and the MBA program, you carry that with you. Well, we're doing what we can to replicate that online and we're going to make sure that we offer potential employees a record of our students progress and success so that they have some sense that the person who they hire has done the apprenticeship work on their own, necessary to accredit them as a, say, a valid student and a hard worker. And I think we can do that and I think we can do it more effectively than universities do it. I know how to measure these things.It's going to be very interesting if that becomes a criteria in which people are hired. You know, if someone, if it really does become a thing and it becomes something where people are accepting that as an education and seeking people out in that regard is going to be very interesting to see if more of those emerge. If you start a trend and then.I, at minimum we can assure, we can assure a potential employer of two things. We didn't attract a woke crowd and we didn't indoctrinate our bloody students. So that's not a bad minimum. You know, you can assure intelligence, you can ensure a work ethic because they've completed the course material. And properly we can ensure that's properly measured. But we can also say, here's a bunch of things they didn't learn right. The courses are subversive in the most traditional possible way. So we have Larry Arne, for example, who's the president of Hillsdale. He did a lecture series on Churchill. Where are you going to go to university to get a lecture series on Churchill. And Arne was Churchill's primary biographer or one of his primary biographers. So that's a big deal. You know, we've got Nigel Beggar from, from Oxbridge, lecturing on the legacy of UK colonialism. Well, you're not going to get that anywhere else. And he's a great lecturer and he's a brilliant man and very, very courageous. And Larry Arnold is in exactly the same category. So the technology we're using is revolutionary in a variety of different ways. The lectures are high quality, but the whole ethos of the educational offering is completely different than what is on offer, say, at the typical Ivy League Harvard, for example, which is such a catastrophe.Like, I was there at Harvard in the 1990s. I loved that place. It was really forward looking and aimed at excellence. With very minor exceptions, like truly minor exceptions, it was a powerhouse, man. And I went back and saw a bunch of my old professor friends month ago, you know, and they've all joined free speech movement at Harvard, and they're fighting against their own administration. And these were like the best professors I ever met in my life. And that's what they've been reduced to.When did it start.Specifically in the universities? Yes, it started with the incursion of, what would you say, modified Marxism in the 1960s and then really accelerated in the seventies. It sort of went like this. You know how things fail gradually, gradually, gradually, then suddenly. And it hit a critical. It hit critical mass in terms of failure. Probably around 20 1415, pretty much when things blew up around me. That's why they blew up around me, you know.I mean, what do you think ultimately caused it to not course correct? What do you think ultimately caused these universities to give in to that?Okay, let's talk about ultimate. So let me tell you a story, an old story. So there's a myth from Mesopotamia called the Enuma Elish, which is one of the oldest stories that we have. And let me just lay out the story, because these ancient myths capture the fundamental dynamics of culture. They're winnowed to do that. Okay, so the Mesopotamians believe that the world emerged as the interaction of two forces. We already alluded to them, chaos and order. They had a God of order, Apsu. He was a male God. He's the patriarchal patriarchy. You can think of Apsu as the patriarchy and a female God, Tiamat. Tiamat is a dragon and a dragon of chaos. And the word tiamat is the same word etymologically as the word tohu va bohu. And that's the chaos that God makes the world out of at the beginning of time in the hebrew accounts. Okay, so you have Apsu and Tiamat and they come together, chaos and order come together and they produce the first world. And in the mesopotamian account of things, that's a world of higher order gods. Now, those higher order gods forget their ancestors and go about their business, and they get increasingly fractious and undisciplined and noisy and hedonistic and immature.And at one point, they kill their father, Absu, and they try to live on his corpse. Right? So you see an echo of. This is very complicated. You see an echo of this in the story of Pinocchio. You know, there's a scene in Pinocchio where Geppetto ends up in the body of a whale. Okay? So here's the underlying biological dynamic. It's so remarkable. So imagine a society sets itself up according to a set of principles, and it stores, it about as smart as high end undergraduates. They lie a lot and you have to corner them like mad to get them to provide you with information that's valid.What have you found them lying about?Oh, they make up references that don't exist. So, for example, about, for chat GPT, about a quarter oft want to know.Right.And no wonder. Yeah. Anyways, that's why we're trying to educate people.Well, Jordan, I'm very happy you're doing this. I really am. It looks amazing. I think it's fantastic. I'm going to try some of them. I'll try some of your courses. It looks exciting.Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's do it. Go down a bit and I'll show you some of them. So we've got Brett and Heather Weinstein. So that's fun. Jonathan Pagio on symbolism and Christianity. That's excellent. James Orr, he's from Cambridge, lecturing on Plato. Marion Tupi on the economics of human flourishing. That's a very optimistic course. There's Brett and Heather. Evolutionary inference.And is this available currently?It's up now, man. It's up now. Yeah. Yeah. The greatest leaders of history. That's a great course. That's very inspiring. John Vervecki. I really like John. He's so damn smart. The boy crisis with Warren Farrell. I did a course on Nietzsche, beyond good and evil. Do you want to run that? That's a fun preview.Sure, let's run that. We'll wrap it up with this.Okay. Okay. Long books. I write in a single sentence what it takes other men a book to write that it wasn't egotistical because it happened to be true. Beyond good and evil is a cardinal work, a pro drama to the entire intellectual and political history of the 2019 20th century. Brilliant, romantic, insightful, deep, psyche shattering, dancing bit of literary genius. He's had a remarkable impact on thought over the last 140 years. It's reasonable to say that he philosophized with a hammer because his thought is. Is extraordinarily condensed. To read Nietzsche is daunting psychologically. He's like a motivational speaker. He's practical in the way that philosophers seldom are. Nietzsche in philosophy, is a call to arms. To familiarize yourself with him is to arm yourself against a sea of trouble. And since you will encounter a sea of troubles, you better pray that you're armed. And this is one way to do it.All right. How to philosophize with a hammer. Jordan, thank you very much, my friend.Hey, man. It's always a pleasure to see you, Joe.Yeah, it was very fun watching you on kill Tony, too.Oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was fun. And that was a good opportunity.You were great, too. I can't wait for that to come out. Because it's fun.No, thanks, sir, it's always a pleasure to be on your show. Always.Pleasure.Yeah.Bye, everybody.

has to be let ?Telling shitty jokes.Single block of marble. Yeah. And so, so, see, that, that's, that's. That's an indication of sacred femininity because, see, the psychoanalyst said in the early part of the 20th century that the good mother necessarily fails. And so what does that mean? Well, every woman who brings a child into the world knows that the child is going to be broken by death and malevolence. Right? And so motherhood in the highest, in its highest aspect, is the offering of the child to the world to be broken. That's what's portrayed in the abrahamic story, too. With regards to Abraham, to get your child back, you offer them to the world. That's a profound indication of faith, right? That life is worthwhile despite its suffering. And it's evil and it's so good.Like the work. Like, look at his foot. Just look at the, like the detail on the to pull off. But I'm very happy with the trailers. They're extremely engaging. Every course has its own style sheet. Like, so each course has its. There's an overarching style to the platform, but every single course has its own illustration, ethos and quality. Yeah, well, you can see them now.Would you be, is this just for personal education, or will you be giving degrees?We're going to approach that in two ways. So we'll offer certification at different timespans. So, you know, generally it takes you four years to get a degree. But you could imagine that it would be useful to have a one year certificate, a two year certificate, three year certificate, four year certificate. Like, there's no compelling reason why it has to be four years. We'll keep very detailed records of our students academic progress, and they'll be able to offer them directly to employers. So we want to be able to assure employers that anybody who's gone through the certification process, that's part and parcel of Peterson Academy, has done the work and met the standards, and the standards will be high. Now, simultaneously, we're working on technical accreditation. Right? So that we can pull this so that we can have this operate as a standard university. Now, there's trade offs on that because the accreditation processes themselves are captured by the same forces that have captured the universities, and we're not going to compromise the quality of the offerings by kowtowing to accreditation processes that are producing the same problem that we're trying to address. Now, I'm in discussion with a number of different jurisdictions to move accreditation forward.If that happens, it can also be applied retroactively. So if we can figure out how to do it with an administration or a jurisdiction that's willing to do it and we don't have to compromise the quality, then we'll go the classic accreditation route. Otherwise, I'm just going to go directly to employers and say, look, we're going to be very, very careful about who we grant certification to. And you'll be able to rely on the certification from Peterson Academy as an indication of intellectual ability and also work ethic. And we'll document that by the record keeping process that we use as part and parcel of the platform. So I think we can do it. We're going to do it one way or another.How are you going to be able to assure that these students. Because it's all remote, right?Yeah.How are you going to be able to assure that they're actually doing the work that they're not utilizing AI? Like, are you going to have them write things?I can't tell you how, but we are going to.Okay.Yeah. Well, look, I've tested tens of thousands of people online. So I set up an online testing service that was used primarily by a company called the Founder Institute. And we tested 50,000 people, 60,000 people over five years in about seven different languages. And we built and developed technology to capture people who are cheating, so they don't know how we're capturing them. And I'm not going to tell youOkay, but that's not all. It gives you an identity for four years while you sort your life out. It gives you an opportunity to mature away from your parents. It gives you the opportunity to build a new network of peers, not only living peers, but peers in the historical tradition. And it gives you an opportunity to meet the person that you might be with for the rest of your life. That's a big deal. And it's a selective opportunity because you bring bright kids together who are hardworking and they get a chance to meet each other. That might be the whole value of an Ivy League education. It's hard to specify these things. Now we're trying to replicate that on Peterson Academy with the social media side and, you know, that's a new technology and we don't know how it'll work. But the fact that it's selective and it won't be full of trolls and bots and bad corporate actors should mean that people will be able to build social networks that are of high value.Because that's one of the things, obviously, that's what you do in a bloody MBA program. You know, it's not what you learn at an MBA program that confers the value of the degree. It's the fact that it was bloody difficult to get in because the GMAT is an IQ test, essentially, and the social network you build and the MBA program, you carry that with you. Well, we're doing what we can to replicate that online and we're going to make sure that we offer potential employees a record of our students progress and success so that they have some sense that the person who they hire has done the apprenticeship work on their own, necessary to accredit them as a, say, a valid student and a hard worker. And I think we can do that and I think we can do it more effectively than universities do it. I know how to measure these things.It's going to be very interesting if that becomes a criteria in which people are hired. You know, if someone, if it really does become a thing and it becomes something where people are accepting that as an education and seeking people out in that regard is going to be very interesting to see if more of those emerge. If you start a trend and then.I, at minimum we can assure, we can assure a potential employer of two things. We didn't attract a woke crowd and we didn't indoctrinate our bloody students. So that's not a bad minimum. You know, you can assure intelligence, you can ensure a work ethic because they've completed the course material. And properly we can ensure that's properly measured. But we can also say, here's a bunch of things they didn't learn right. The courses are subversive in the most traditional possible way. So we have Larry Arne, for example, who's the president of Hillsdale. He did a lecture series on Churchill. Where are you going to go to university to get a lecture series on Churchill. And Arne was Churchill's primary biographer or one of his primary biographers. So that's a big deal. You know, we've got Nigel Beggar from, from Oxbridge, lecturing on the legacy of UK colonialism. Well, you're not going to get that anywhere else. And he's a great lecturer and he's a brilliant man and very, very courageous. And Larry Arnold is in exactly the same category. So the technology we're using is revolutionary in a variety of different ways. The lectures are high quality, but the whole ethos of the educational offering is completely different than what is on offer, say, at the typical Ivy League Harvard, for example, which is such a catastrophe.Like, I was there at Harvard in the 1990s. I loved that place. It was really forward looking and aimed at excellence. With very minor exceptions, like truly minor exceptions, it was a powerhouse, man. And I went back and saw a bunch of my old professor friends month ago, you know, and they've all joined free speech movement at Harvard, and they're fighting against their own administration. And these were like the best professors I ever met in my life. And that's what they've been reduced to.When did it start.Specifically in the universities? Yes, it started with the incursion of, what would you say, modified Marxism in the 1960s and then really accelerated in the seventies. It sort of went like this. You know how things fail gradually, gradually, gradually, then suddenly. And it hit a critical. It hit critical mass in terms of failure. Probably around 20 1415, pretty much when things blew up around me. That's why they blew up around me, you know.I mean, what do you think ultimately caused it to not course correct? What do you think ultimately caused these universities to give in to that?Okay, let's talk about ultimate. So let me tell you a story, an old story. So there's a myth from Mesopotamia called the Enuma Elish, which is one of the oldest stories that we have. And let me just lay out the story, because these ancient myths capture the fundamental dynamics of culture. They're winnowed to do that. Okay, so the Mesopotamians believe that the world emerged as the interaction of two forces. We already alluded to them, chaos and order. They had a God of order, Apsu. He was a male God. He's the patriarchal patriarchy. You can think of Apsu as the patriarchy and a female God, Tiamat. Tiamat is a dragon and a dragon of chaos. And the word tiamat is the same word etymologically as the word tohu va bohu. And that's the chaos that God makes the world out of at the beginning of time in the hebrew accounts. Okay, so you have Apsu and Tiamat and they come together, chaos and order come together and they produce the first world. And in the mesopotamian account of things, that's a world of higher order gods. Now, those higher order gods forget their ancestors and go about their business, and they get increasingly fractious and undisciplined and noisy and hedonistic and immature.And at one point, they kill their father, Absu, and they try to live on his corpse. Right? So you see an echo of. This is very complicated. You see an echo of this in the story of Pinocchio. You know, there's a scene in Pinocchio where Geppetto ends up in the body of a whale. Okay? So here's the underlying biological dynamic. It's so remarkable. So imagine a society sets itself up according to a set of principles, and it stores, it about as smart as high end undergraduates. They lie a lot and you have to corner them like mad to get them to provide you with information that's valid.What have you found them lying about?Oh, they make up references that don't exist. So, for example, about, for chat GPT, about a quarter oft want to know.Right.And no wonder. Yeah. Anyways, that's why we're trying to educate people.Well, Jordan, I'm very happy you're doing this. I really am. It looks amazing. I think it's fantastic. I'm going to try some of them. I'll try some of your courses. It looks exciting.Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's do it. Go down a bit and I'll show you some of them. So we've got Brett and Heather Weinstein. So that's fun. Jonathan Pagio on symbolism and Christianity. That's excellent. James Orr, he's from Cambridge, lecturing on Plato. Marion Tupi on the economics of human flourishing. That's a very optimistic course. There's Brett and Heather. Evolutionary inference.And is this available currently?It's up now, man. It's up now. Yeah. Yeah. The greatest leaders of history. That's a great course. That's very inspiring. John Vervecki. I really like John. He's so damn smart. The boy crisis with Warren Farrell. I did a course on Nietzsche, beyond good and evil. Do you want to run that? That's a fun preview.Sure, let's run that. We'll wrap it up with this.Okay. Okay. Long books. I write in a single sentence what it takes other men a book to write that it wasn't egotistical because it happened to be true. Beyond good and evil is a cardinal work, a pro drama to the entire intellectual and political history of the 2019 20th century. Brilliant, romantic, insightful, deep, psyche shattering, dancing bit of literary genius. He's had a remarkable impact on thought over the last 140 years. It's reasonable to say that he philosophized with a hammer because his thought is. Is extraordinarily condensed. To read Nietzsche is daunting psychologically. He's like a motivational speaker. He's practical in the way that philosophers seldom are. Nietzsche in philosophy, is a call to arms. To familiarize yourself with him is to arm yourself against a sea of trouble. And since you will encounter a sea of troubles, you better pray that you're armed. And this is one way to do it.All right. How to philosophize with a hammer. Jordan, thank you very much, my friend.Hey, man. It's always a pleasure to see you, Joe.Yeah, it was very fun watching you on kill Tony, too.Oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was fun. And that was a good opportunity.You were great, too. I can't wait for that to come out. Because it's fun.No, thanks, sir, it's always a pleasure to be on your show. Always.Pleasure.Yeah.Bye, everybody.

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Telling shitty jokes.

Single block of marble. Yeah. And so, so, see, that, that's, that's. That's an indication of sacred femininity because, see, the psychoanalyst said in the early part of the 20th century that the good mother necessarily fails. And so what does that mean? Well, every woman who brings a child into the world knows that the child is going to be broken by death and malevolence. Right? And so motherhood in the highest, in its highest aspect, is the offering of the child to the world to be broken. That's what's portrayed in the abrahamic story, too. With regards to Abraham, to get your child back, you offer them to the world. That's a profound indication of faith, right? That life is worthwhile despite its suffering. And it's evil and it's so good.

Like the work. Like, look at his foot. Just look at the, like the detail on the to pull off. But I'm very happy with the trailers. They're extremely engaging. Every course has its own style sheet. Like, so each course has its. There's an overarching style to the platform, but every single course has its own illustration, ethos and quality. Yeah, well, you can see them now.Would you be, is this just for personal education, or will you be giving degrees?We're going to approach that in two ways. So we'll offer certification at different timespans. So, you know, generally it takes you four years to get a degree. But you could imagine that it would be useful to have a one year certificate, a two year certificate, three year certificate, four year certificate. Like, there's no compelling reason why it has to be four years. We'll keep very detailed records of our students academic progress, and they'll be able to offer them directly to employers. So we want to be able to assure employers that anybody who's gone through the certification process, that's part and parcel of Peterson Academy, has done the work and met the standards, and the standards will be high. Now, simultaneously, we're working on technical accreditation. Right? So that we can pull this so that we can have this operate as a standard university. Now, there's trade offs on that because the accreditation processes themselves are captured by the same forces that have captured the universities, and we're not going to compromise the quality of the offerings by kowtowing to accreditation processes that are producing the same problem that we're trying to address. Now, I'm in discussion with a number of different jurisdictions to move accreditation forward.If that happens, it can also be applied retroactively. So if we can figure out how to do it with an administration or a jurisdiction that's willing to do it and we don't have to compromise the quality, then we'll go the classic accreditation route. Otherwise, I'm just going to go directly to employers and say, look, we're going to be very, very careful about who we grant certification to. And you'll be able to rely on the certification from Peterson Academy as an indication of intellectual ability and also work ethic. And we'll document that by the record keeping process that we use as part and parcel of the platform. So I think we can do it. We're going to do it one way or another.How are you going to be able to assure that these students. Because it's all remote, right?Yeah.How are you going to be able to assure that they're actually doing the work that they're not utilizing AI? Like, are you going to have them write things?I can't tell you how, but we are going to.Okay.Yeah. Well, look, I've tested tens of thousands of people online. So I set up an online testing service that was used primarily by a company called the Founder Institute. And we tested 50,000 people, 60,000 people over five years in about seven different languages. And we built and developed technology to capture people who are cheating, so they don't know how we're capturing them. And I'm not going to tell youOkay, but that's not all. It gives you an identity for four years while you sort your life out. It gives you an opportunity to mature away from your parents. It gives you the opportunity to build a new network of peers, not only living peers, but peers in the historical tradition. And it gives you an opportunity to meet the person that you might be with for the rest of your life. That's a big deal. And it's a selective opportunity because you bring bright kids together who are hardworking and they get a chance to meet each other. That might be the whole value of an Ivy League education. It's hard to specify these things. Now we're trying to replicate that on Peterson Academy with the social media side and, you know, that's a new technology and we don't know how it'll work. But the fact that it's selective and it won't be full of trolls and bots and bad corporate actors should mean that people will be able to build social networks that are of high value.Because that's one of the things, obviously, that's what you do in a bloody MBA program. You know, it's not what you learn at an MBA program that confers the value of the degree. It's the fact that it was bloody difficult to get in because the GMAT is an IQ test, essentially, and the social network you build and the MBA program, you carry that with you. Well, we're doing what we can to replicate that online and we're going to make sure that we offer potential employees a record of our students progress and success so that they have some sense that the person who they hire has done the apprenticeship work on their own, necessary to accredit them as a, say, a valid student and a hard worker. And I think we can do that and I think we can do it more effectively than universities do it. I know how to measure these things.It's going to be very interesting if that becomes a criteria in which people are hired. You know, if someone, if it really does become a thing and it becomes something where people are accepting that as an education and seeking people out in that regard is going to be very interesting to see if more of those emerge. If you start a trend and then.I, at minimum we can assure, we can assure a potential employer of two things. We didn't attract a woke crowd and we didn't indoctrinate our bloody students. So that's not a bad minimum. You know, you can assure intelligence, you can ensure a work ethic because they've completed the course material. And properly we can ensure that's properly measured. But we can also say, here's a bunch of things they didn't learn right. The courses are subversive in the most traditional possible way. So we have Larry Arne, for example, who's the president of Hillsdale. He did a lecture series on Churchill. Where are you going to go to university to get a lecture series on Churchill. And Arne was Churchill's primary biographer or one of his primary biographers. So that's a big deal. You know, we've got Nigel Beggar from, from Oxbridge, lecturing on the legacy of UK colonialism. Well, you're not going to get that anywhere else. And he's a great lecturer and he's a brilliant man and very, very courageous. And Larry Arnold is in exactly the same category. So the technology we're using is revolutionary in a variety of different ways. The lectures are high quality, but the whole ethos of the educational offering is completely different than what is on offer, say, at the typical Ivy League Harvard, for example, which is such a catastrophe.Like, I was there at Harvard in the 1990s. I loved that place. It was really forward looking and aimed at excellence. With very minor exceptions, like truly minor exceptions, it was a powerhouse, man. And I went back and saw a bunch of my old professor friends month ago, you know, and they've all joined free speech movement at Harvard, and they're fighting against their own administration. And these were like the best professors I ever met in my life. And that's what they've been reduced to.When did it start.Specifically in the universities? Yes, it started with the incursion of, what would you say, modified Marxism in the 1960s and then really accelerated in the seventies. It sort of went like this. You know how things fail gradually, gradually, gradually, then suddenly. And it hit a critical. It hit critical mass in terms of failure. Probably around 20 1415, pretty much when things blew up around me. That's why they blew up around me, you know.I mean, what do you think ultimately caused it to not course correct? What do you think ultimately caused these universities to give in to that?Okay, let's talk about ultimate. So let me tell you a story, an old story. So there's a myth from Mesopotamia called the Enuma Elish, which is one of the oldest stories that we have. And let me just lay out the story, because these ancient myths capture the fundamental dynamics of culture. They're winnowed to do that. Okay, so the Mesopotamians believe that the world emerged as the interaction of two forces. We already alluded to them, chaos and order. They had a God of order, Apsu. He was a male God. He's the patriarchal patriarchy. You can think of Apsu as the patriarchy and a female God, Tiamat. Tiamat is a dragon and a dragon of chaos. And the word tiamat is the same word etymologically as the word tohu va bohu. And that's the chaos that God makes the world out of at the beginning of time in the hebrew accounts. Okay, so you have Apsu and Tiamat and they come together, chaos and order come together and they produce the first world. And in the mesopotamian account of things, that's a world of higher order gods. Now, those higher order gods forget their ancestors and go about their business, and they get increasingly fractious and undisciplined and noisy and hedonistic and immature.And at one point, they kill their father, Absu, and they try to live on his corpse. Right? So you see an echo of. This is very complicated. You see an echo of this in the story of Pinocchio. You know, there's a scene in Pinocchio where Geppetto ends up in the body of a whale. Okay? So here's the underlying biological dynamic. It's so remarkable. So imagine a society sets itself up according to a set of principles, and it stores, it about as smart as high end undergraduates. They lie a lot and you have to corner them like mad to get them to provide you with information that's valid.What have you found them lying about?Oh, they make up references that don't exist. So, for example, about, for chat GPT, about a quarter oft want to know.Right.And no wonder. Yeah. Anyways, that's why we're trying to educate people.Well, Jordan, I'm very happy you're doing this. I really am. It looks amazing. I think it's fantastic. I'm going to try some of them. I'll try some of your courses. It looks exciting.Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's do it. Go down a bit and I'll show you some of them. So we've got Brett and Heather Weinstein. So that's fun. Jonathan Pagio on symbolism and Christianity. That's excellent. James Orr, he's from Cambridge, lecturing on Plato. Marion Tupi on the economics of human flourishing. That's a very optimistic course. There's Brett and Heather. Evolutionary inference.And is this available currently?It's up now, man. It's up now. Yeah. Yeah. The greatest leaders of history. That's a great course. That's very inspiring. John Vervecki. I really like John. He's so damn smart. The boy crisis with Warren Farrell. I did a course on Nietzsche, beyond good and evil. Do you want to run that? That's a fun preview.Sure, let's run that. We'll wrap it up with this.Okay. Okay. Long books. I write in a single sentence what it takes other men a book to write that it wasn't egotistical because it happened to be true. Beyond good and evil is a cardinal work, a pro drama to the entire intellectual and political history of the 2019 20th century. Brilliant, romantic, insightful, deep, psyche shattering, dancing bit of literary genius. He's had a remarkable impact on thought over the last 140 years. It's reasonable to say that he philosophized with a hammer because his thought is. Is extraordinarily condensed. To read Nietzsche is daunting psychologically. He's like a motivational speaker. He's practical in the way that philosophers seldom are. Nietzsche in philosophy, is a call to arms. To familiarize yourself with him is to arm yourself against a sea of trouble. And since you will encounter a sea of troubles, you better pray that you're armed. And this is one way to do it.All right. How to philosophize with a hammer. Jordan, thank you very much, my friend.Hey, man. It's always a pleasure to see you, Joe.Yeah, it was very fun watching you on kill Tony, too.Oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was fun. And that was a good opportunity.You were great, too. I can't wait for that to come out. Because it's fun.No, thanks, sir, it's always a pleasure to be on your show. Always.Pleasure.Yeah.Bye, everybody.

to pull off. But I'm very happy with the trailers. They're extremely engaging. Every course has its own style sheet. Like, so each course has its. There's an overarching style to the platform, but every single course has its own illustration, ethos and quality. Yeah, well, you can see them now.

Would you be, is this just for personal education, or will you be giving degrees?

We're going to approach that in two ways. So we'll offer certification at different timespans. So, you know, generally it takes you four years to get a degree. But you could imagine that it would be useful to have a one year certificate, a two year certificate, three year certificate, four year certificate. Like, there's no compelling reason why it has to be four years. We'll keep very detailed records of our students academic progress, and they'll be able to offer them directly to employers. So we want to be able to assure employers that anybody who's gone through the certification process, that's part and parcel of Peterson Academy, has done the work and met the standards, and the standards will be high. Now, simultaneously, we're working on technical accreditation. Right? So that we can pull this so that we can have this operate as a standard university. Now, there's trade offs on that because the accreditation processes themselves are captured by the same forces that have captured the universities, and we're not going to compromise the quality of the offerings by kowtowing to accreditation processes that are producing the same problem that we're trying to address. Now, I'm in discussion with a number of different jurisdictions to move accreditation forward.

If that happens, it can also be applied retroactively. So if we can figure out how to do it with an administration or a jurisdiction that's willing to do it and we don't have to compromise the quality, then we'll go the classic accreditation route. Otherwise, I'm just going to go directly to employers and say, look, we're going to be very, very careful about who we grant certification to. And you'll be able to rely on the certification from Peterson Academy as an indication of intellectual ability and also work ethic. And we'll document that by the record keeping process that we use as part and parcel of the platform. So I think we can do it. We're going to do it one way or another.

How are you going to be able to assure that these students. Because it's all remote, right?

Yeah.

How are you going to be able to assure that they're actually doing the work that they're not utilizing AI? Like, are you going to have them write things?

I can't tell you how, but we are going to.

Okay.

Yeah. Well, look, I've tested tens of thousands of people online. So I set up an online testing service that was used primarily by a company called the Founder Institute. And we tested 50,000 people, 60,000 people over five years in about seven different languages. And we built and developed technology to capture people who are cheating, so they don't know how we're capturing them. And I'm not going to tell youOkay, but that's not all. It gives you an identity for four years while you sort your life out. It gives you an opportunity to mature away from your parents. It gives you the opportunity to build a new network of peers, not only living peers, but peers in the historical tradition. And it gives you an opportunity to meet the person that you might be with for the rest of your life. That's a big deal. And it's a selective opportunity because you bring bright kids together who are hardworking and they get a chance to meet each other. That might be the whole value of an Ivy League education. It's hard to specify these things. Now we're trying to replicate that on Peterson Academy with the social media side and, you know, that's a new technology and we don't know how it'll work. But the fact that it's selective and it won't be full of trolls and bots and bad corporate actors should mean that people will be able to build social networks that are of high value.Because that's one of the things, obviously, that's what you do in a bloody MBA program. You know, it's not what you learn at an MBA program that confers the value of the degree. It's the fact that it was bloody difficult to get in because the GMAT is an IQ test, essentially, and the social network you build and the MBA program, you carry that with you. Well, we're doing what we can to replicate that online and we're going to make sure that we offer potential employees a record of our students progress and success so that they have some sense that the person who they hire has done the apprenticeship work on their own, necessary to accredit them as a, say, a valid student and a hard worker. And I think we can do that and I think we can do it more effectively than universities do it. I know how to measure these things.It's going to be very interesting if that becomes a criteria in which people are hired. You know, if someone, if it really does become a thing and it becomes something where people are accepting that as an education and seeking people out in that regard is going to be very interesting to see if more of those emerge. If you start a trend and then.I, at minimum we can assure, we can assure a potential employer of two things. We didn't attract a woke crowd and we didn't indoctrinate our bloody students. So that's not a bad minimum. You know, you can assure intelligence, you can ensure a work ethic because they've completed the course material. And properly we can ensure that's properly measured. But we can also say, here's a bunch of things they didn't learn right. The courses are subversive in the most traditional possible way. So we have Larry Arne, for example, who's the president of Hillsdale. He did a lecture series on Churchill. Where are you going to go to university to get a lecture series on Churchill. And Arne was Churchill's primary biographer or one of his primary biographers. So that's a big deal. You know, we've got Nigel Beggar from, from Oxbridge, lecturing on the legacy of UK colonialism. Well, you're not going to get that anywhere else. And he's a great lecturer and he's a brilliant man and very, very courageous. And Larry Arnold is in exactly the same category. So the technology we're using is revolutionary in a variety of different ways. The lectures are high quality, but the whole ethos of the educational offering is completely different than what is on offer, say, at the typical Ivy League Harvard, for example, which is such a catastrophe.Like, I was there at Harvard in the 1990s. I loved that place. It was really forward looking and aimed at excellence. With very minor exceptions, like truly minor exceptions, it was a powerhouse, man. And I went back and saw a bunch of my old professor friends month ago, you know, and they've all joined free speech movement at Harvard, and they're fighting against their own administration. And these were like the best professors I ever met in my life. And that's what they've been reduced to.When did it start.Specifically in the universities? Yes, it started with the incursion of, what would you say, modified Marxism in the 1960s and then really accelerated in the seventies. It sort of went like this. You know how things fail gradually, gradually, gradually, then suddenly. And it hit a critical. It hit critical mass in terms of failure. Probably around 20 1415, pretty much when things blew up around me. That's why they blew up around me, you know.I mean, what do you think ultimately caused it to not course correct? What do you think ultimately caused these universities to give in to that?Okay, let's talk about ultimate. So let me tell you a story, an old story. So there's a myth from Mesopotamia called the Enuma Elish, which is one of the oldest stories that we have. And let me just lay out the story, because these ancient myths capture the fundamental dynamics of culture. They're winnowed to do that. Okay, so the Mesopotamians believe that the world emerged as the interaction of two forces. We already alluded to them, chaos and order. They had a God of order, Apsu. He was a male God. He's the patriarchal patriarchy. You can think of Apsu as the patriarchy and a female God, Tiamat. Tiamat is a dragon and a dragon of chaos. And the word tiamat is the same word etymologically as the word tohu va bohu. And that's the chaos that God makes the world out of at the beginning of time in the hebrew accounts. Okay, so you have Apsu and Tiamat and they come together, chaos and order come together and they produce the first world. And in the mesopotamian account of things, that's a world of higher order gods. Now, those higher order gods forget their ancestors and go about their business, and they get increasingly fractious and undisciplined and noisy and hedonistic and immature.And at one point, they kill their father, Absu, and they try to live on his corpse. Right? So you see an echo of. This is very complicated. You see an echo of this in the story of Pinocchio. You know, there's a scene in Pinocchio where Geppetto ends up in the body of a whale. Okay? So here's the underlying biological dynamic. It's so remarkable. So imagine a society sets itself up according to a set of principles, and it stores, it about as smart as high end undergraduates. They lie a lot and you have to corner them like mad to get them to provide you with information that's valid.What have you found them lying about?Oh, they make up references that don't exist. So, for example, about, for chat GPT, about a quarter oft want to know.Right.And no wonder. Yeah. Anyways, that's why we're trying to educate people.Well, Jordan, I'm very happy you're doing this. I really am. It looks amazing. I think it's fantastic. I'm going to try some of them. I'll try some of your courses. It looks exciting.Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's do it. Go down a bit and I'll show you some of them. So we've got Brett and Heather Weinstein. So that's fun. Jonathan Pagio on symbolism and Christianity. That's excellent. James Orr, he's from Cambridge, lecturing on Plato. Marion Tupi on the economics of human flourishing. That's a very optimistic course. There's Brett and Heather. Evolutionary inference.And is this available currently?It's up now, man. It's up now. Yeah. Yeah. The greatest leaders of history. That's a great course. That's very inspiring. John Vervecki. I really like John. He's so damn smart. The boy crisis with Warren Farrell. I did a course on Nietzsche, beyond good and evil. Do you want to run that? That's a fun preview.Sure, let's run that. We'll wrap it up with this.Okay. Okay. Long books. I write in a single sentence what it takes other men a book to write that it wasn't egotistical because it happened to be true. Beyond good and evil is a cardinal work, a pro drama to the entire intellectual and political history of the 2019 20th century. Brilliant, romantic, insightful, deep, psyche shattering, dancing bit of literary genius. He's had a remarkable impact on thought over the last 140 years. It's reasonable to say that he philosophized with a hammer because his thought is. Is extraordinarily condensed. To read Nietzsche is daunting psychologically. He's like a motivational speaker. He's practical in the way that philosophers seldom are. Nietzsche in philosophy, is a call to arms. To familiarize yourself with him is to arm yourself against a sea of trouble. And since you will encounter a sea of troubles, you better pray that you're armed. And this is one way to do it.All right. How to philosophize with a hammer. Jordan, thank you very much, my friend.Hey, man. It's always a pleasure to see you, Joe.Yeah, it was very fun watching you on kill Tony, too.Oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was fun. And that was a good opportunity.You were great, too. I can't wait for that to come out. Because it's fun.No, thanks, sir, it's always a pleasure to be on your show. Always.Pleasure.Yeah.Bye, everybody.

Okay, but that's not all. It gives you an identity for four years while you sort your life out. It gives you an opportunity to mature away from your parents. It gives you the opportunity to build a new network of peers, not only living peers, but peers in the historical tradition. And it gives you an opportunity to meet the person that you might be with for the rest of your life. That's a big deal. And it's a selective opportunity because you bring bright kids together who are hardworking and they get a chance to meet each other. That might be the whole value of an Ivy League education. It's hard to specify these things. Now we're trying to replicate that on Peterson Academy with the social media side and, you know, that's a new technology and we don't know how it'll work. But the fact that it's selective and it won't be full of trolls and bots and bad corporate actors should mean that people will be able to build social networks that are of high value.

Because that's one of the things, obviously, that's what you do in a bloody MBA program. You know, it's not what you learn at an MBA program that confers the value of the degree. It's the fact that it was bloody difficult to get in because the GMAT is an IQ test, essentially, and the social network you build and the MBA program, you carry that with you. Well, we're doing what we can to replicate that online and we're going to make sure that we offer potential employees a record of our students progress and success so that they have some sense that the person who they hire has done the apprenticeship work on their own, necessary to accredit them as a, say, a valid student and a hard worker. And I think we can do that and I think we can do it more effectively than universities do it. I know how to measure these things.

It's going to be very interesting if that becomes a criteria in which people are hired. You know, if someone, if it really does become a thing and it becomes something where people are accepting that as an education and seeking people out in that regard is going to be very interesting to see if more of those emerge. If you start a trend and then.

I, at minimum we can assure, we can assure a potential employer of two things. We didn't attract a woke crowd and we didn't indoctrinate our bloody students. So that's not a bad minimum. You know, you can assure intelligence, you can ensure a work ethic because they've completed the course material. And properly we can ensure that's properly measured. But we can also say, here's a bunch of things they didn't learn right. The courses are subversive in the most traditional possible way. So we have Larry Arne, for example, who's the president of Hillsdale. He did a lecture series on Churchill. Where are you going to go to university to get a lecture series on Churchill. And Arne was Churchill's primary biographer or one of his primary biographers. So that's a big deal. You know, we've got Nigel Beggar from, from Oxbridge, lecturing on the legacy of UK colonialism. Well, you're not going to get that anywhere else. And he's a great lecturer and he's a brilliant man and very, very courageous. And Larry Arnold is in exactly the same category. So the technology we're using is revolutionary in a variety of different ways. The lectures are high quality, but the whole ethos of the educational offering is completely different than what is on offer, say, at the typical Ivy League Harvard, for example, which is such a catastrophe.

Like, I was there at Harvard in the 1990s. I loved that place. It was really forward looking and aimed at excellence. With very minor exceptions, like truly minor exceptions, it was a powerhouse, man. And I went back and saw a bunch of my old professor friends month ago, you know, and they've all joined free speech movement at Harvard, and they're fighting against their own administration. And these were like the best professors I ever met in my life. And that's what they've been reduced to.

When did it start.

Specifically in the universities? Yes, it started with the incursion of, what would you say, modified Marxism in the 1960s and then really accelerated in the seventies. It sort of went like this. You know how things fail gradually, gradually, gradually, then suddenly. And it hit a critical. It hit critical mass in terms of failure. Probably around 20 1415, pretty much when things blew up around me. That's why they blew up around me, you know.

I mean, what do you think ultimately caused it to not course correct? What do you think ultimately caused these universities to give in to that?

Okay, let's talk about ultimate. So let me tell you a story, an old story. So there's a myth from Mesopotamia called the Enuma Elish, which is one of the oldest stories that we have. And let me just lay out the story, because these ancient myths capture the fundamental dynamics of culture. They're winnowed to do that. Okay, so the Mesopotamians believe that the world emerged as the interaction of two forces. We already alluded to them, chaos and order. They had a God of order, Apsu. He was a male God. He's the patriarchal patriarchy. You can think of Apsu as the patriarchy and a female God, Tiamat. Tiamat is a dragon and a dragon of chaos. And the word tiamat is the same word etymologically as the word tohu va bohu. And that's the chaos that God makes the world out of at the beginning of time in the hebrew accounts. Okay, so you have Apsu and Tiamat and they come together, chaos and order come together and they produce the first world. And in the mesopotamian account of things, that's a world of higher order gods. Now, those higher order gods forget their ancestors and go about their business, and they get increasingly fractious and undisciplined and noisy and hedonistic and immature.

And at one point, they kill their father, Absu, and they try to live on his corpse. Right? So you see an echo of. This is very complicated. You see an echo of this in the story of Pinocchio. You know, there's a scene in Pinocchio where Geppetto ends up in the body of a whale. Okay? So here's the underlying biological dynamic. It's so remarkable. So imagine a society sets itself up according to a set of principles, and it stores, it about as smart as high end undergraduates. They lie a lot and you have to corner them like mad to get them to provide you with information that's valid.What have you found them lying about?Oh, they make up references that don't exist. So, for example, about, for chat GPT, about a quarter oft want to know.Right.And no wonder. Yeah. Anyways, that's why we're trying to educate people.Well, Jordan, I'm very happy you're doing this. I really am. It looks amazing. I think it's fantastic. I'm going to try some of them. I'll try some of your courses. It looks exciting.Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's do it. Go down a bit and I'll show you some of them. So we've got Brett and Heather Weinstein. So that's fun. Jonathan Pagio on symbolism and Christianity. That's excellent. James Orr, he's from Cambridge, lecturing on Plato. Marion Tupi on the economics of human flourishing. That's a very optimistic course. There's Brett and Heather. Evolutionary inference.And is this available currently?It's up now, man. It's up now. Yeah. Yeah. The greatest leaders of history. That's a great course. That's very inspiring. John Vervecki. I really like John. He's so damn smart. The boy crisis with Warren Farrell. I did a course on Nietzsche, beyond good and evil. Do you want to run that? That's a fun preview.Sure, let's run that. We'll wrap it up with this.Okay. Okay. Long books. I write in a single sentence what it takes other men a book to write that it wasn't egotistical because it happened to be true. Beyond good and evil is a cardinal work, a pro drama to the entire intellectual and political history of the 2019 20th century. Brilliant, romantic, insightful, deep, psyche shattering, dancing bit of literary genius. He's had a remarkable impact on thought over the last 140 years. It's reasonable to say that he philosophized with a hammer because his thought is. Is extraordinarily condensed. To read Nietzsche is daunting psychologically. He's like a motivational speaker. He's practical in the way that philosophers seldom are. Nietzsche in philosophy, is a call to arms. To familiarize yourself with him is to arm yourself against a sea of trouble. And since you will encounter a sea of troubles, you better pray that you're armed. And this is one way to do it.All right. How to philosophize with a hammer. Jordan, thank you very much, my friend.Hey, man. It's always a pleasure to see you, Joe.Yeah, it was very fun watching you on kill Tony, too.Oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was fun. And that was a good opportunity.You were great, too. I can't wait for that to come out. Because it's fun.No, thanks, sir, it's always a pleasure to be on your show. Always.Pleasure.Yeah.Bye, everybody.

about as smart as high end undergraduates. They lie a lot and you have to corner them like mad to get them to provide you with information that's valid.

What have you found them lying about?

Oh, they make up references that don't exist. So, for example, about, for chat GPT, about a quarter oft want to know.Right.And no wonder. Yeah. Anyways, that's why we're trying to educate people.Well, Jordan, I'm very happy you're doing this. I really am. It looks amazing. I think it's fantastic. I'm going to try some of them. I'll try some of your courses. It looks exciting.Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's do it. Go down a bit and I'll show you some of them. So we've got Brett and Heather Weinstein. So that's fun. Jonathan Pagio on symbolism and Christianity. That's excellent. James Orr, he's from Cambridge, lecturing on Plato. Marion Tupi on the economics of human flourishing. That's a very optimistic course. There's Brett and Heather. Evolutionary inference.And is this available currently?It's up now, man. It's up now. Yeah. Yeah. The greatest leaders of history. That's a great course. That's very inspiring. John Vervecki. I really like John. He's so damn smart. The boy crisis with Warren Farrell. I did a course on Nietzsche, beyond good and evil. Do you want to run that? That's a fun preview.Sure, let's run that. We'll wrap it up with this.Okay. Okay. Long books. I write in a single sentence what it takes other men a book to write that it wasn't egotistical because it happened to be true. Beyond good and evil is a cardinal work, a pro drama to the entire intellectual and political history of the 2019 20th century. Brilliant, romantic, insightful, deep, psyche shattering, dancing bit of literary genius. He's had a remarkable impact on thought over the last 140 years. It's reasonable to say that he philosophized with a hammer because his thought is. Is extraordinarily condensed. To read Nietzsche is daunting psychologically. He's like a motivational speaker. He's practical in the way that philosophers seldom are. Nietzsche in philosophy, is a call to arms. To familiarize yourself with him is to arm yourself against a sea of trouble. And since you will encounter a sea of troubles, you better pray that you're armed. And this is one way to do it.All right. How to philosophize with a hammer. Jordan, thank you very much, my friend.Hey, man. It's always a pleasure to see you, Joe.Yeah, it was very fun watching you on kill Tony, too.Oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was fun. And that was a good opportunity.You were great, too. I can't wait for that to come out. Because it's fun.No, thanks, sir, it's always a pleasure to be on your show. Always.Pleasure.Yeah.Bye, everybody.

t want to know.

Right.

And no wonder. Yeah. Anyways, that's why we're trying to educate people.

Well, Jordan, I'm very happy you're doing this. I really am. It looks amazing. I think it's fantastic. I'm going to try some of them. I'll try some of your courses. It looks exciting.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's do it. Go down a bit and I'll show you some of them. So we've got Brett and Heather Weinstein. So that's fun. Jonathan Pagio on symbolism and Christianity. That's excellent. James Orr, he's from Cambridge, lecturing on Plato. Marion Tupi on the economics of human flourishing. That's a very optimistic course. There's Brett and Heather. Evolutionary inference.

And is this available currently?

It's up now, man. It's up now. Yeah. Yeah. The greatest leaders of history. That's a great course. That's very inspiring. John Vervecki. I really like John. He's so damn smart. The boy crisis with Warren Farrell. I did a course on Nietzsche, beyond good and evil. Do you want to run that? That's a fun preview.

Sure, let's run that. We'll wrap it up with this.

Okay. Okay. Long books. I write in a single sentence what it takes other men a book to write that it wasn't egotistical because it happened to be true. Beyond good and evil is a cardinal work, a pro drama to the entire intellectual and political history of the 2019 20th century. Brilliant, romantic, insightful, deep, psyche shattering, dancing bit of literary genius. He's had a remarkable impact on thought over the last 140 years. It's reasonable to say that he philosophized with a hammer because his thought is. Is extraordinarily condensed. To read Nietzsche is daunting psychologically. He's like a motivational speaker. He's practical in the way that philosophers seldom are. Nietzsche in philosophy, is a call to arms. To familiarize yourself with him is to arm yourself against a sea of trouble. And since you will encounter a sea of troubles, you better pray that you're armed. And this is one way to do it.

All right. How to philosophize with a hammer. Jordan, thank you very much, my friend.

Hey, man. It's always a pleasure to see you, Joe.

Yeah, it was very fun watching you on kill Tony, too.

Oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was fun. And that was a good opportunity.

You were great, too. I can't wait for that to come out. Because it's fun.

No, thanks, sir, it's always a pleasure to be on your show. Always.

Pleasure.

Yeah.

Bye, everybody.