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Great to meet you, too.

Thank you. Thanks for being here.

Of course. Yeah, of course I'm here.

Right.

Of course I'm gonna. Of course I'm gonna do this.

I'm glad you're doing it.

Yeah.

So you wrote a book about. Well, I think the title is I used to like you, but until.

Yeah, I used to like you until. Yeah.

Why did you want to do that? What was the motivation behind that?

I mean, it's not a hot take that everything's so divided now, right? I think a lot of people have noticed that. But I think I'm really in this unique position where I kind of get it from both sides because I'm independent politically. I just want very small government, which I think puts me at odds with both parties sometimes depending on what the issue is. So I will sometimes get shit from the. I'm on Fox News, so I'll get sometimes shit from the viewers for sometimes more of this, more social issues, or, I'm not religious, that kind of a thing. But then the people on the left, a lot of them won't even want to have a conversation with me. Cause they're like, oh, she works at Fox News. That tells me everything I need to know about her. And I think that that's doing some real damage overall to us as a country by the fact that we're letting. Cause I'm not special in that aspect. Right. People will let one aspect of a person completely just. That's all I need to know about that person. I'm not gonna talk to that person.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a real problem. And it's so funny, like, if you say, I'm independent, I just want small government. Immediately people start thinking, prepper KKK, stop piling guns, living in the woods. I'm independent. I want. Small government is like, you might be a dangerous person, which is such a wild take.

Well, people think that just cause you don't think the gut, the government's the best way to solve a problem, that doesn't actually mean you don't care about the problem. So if you don't think the government can solve something like, oh, well, you're a piece of shit because you don't care about this or this. This is like, no, I just don't think the government's gonna solve it.

I mean, the problem with the government solving problems, and the government is not financially invested in a solution. No, they just want to have more jobs and they want to keep more bureaucracy and more people working on a problem. Hence the California homeless problem. Imagine if that was farmed off to the private sector. Imagine if the only way to make money in the homeless problem is actually creating a solution for it.

Yeah, but there's no. There's. Like you said, there's no actual incentive for them to do that. New York's the same. I mean, I live in New York cause I love my job, but if I didn't have my job, I would not live there. Cause it's so expensive.

Right.

And I was in LA last week, and I was coming back from JFK in the morning after a red eye. I am exhausted. I'm pregnant. I'm trying to sleep in the car, in the roads, I'm just getting pothole after pothole. I'm, like, going all. I'm like, where are my taxes going? Exactly.

Yeah.

Cause everyone always say these. The roads are shit.

Yeah. So I lived in New York once. I drove. I had to do an audition. I drove to. I lived in New Rochelle, so I lived, like, right outside the Bronx. And I drove to the city, and home from the city, I blew out one tire. Driving to the city, had a pull over the side of the road, changed this fucking tire. Dangerous. Risking my life. On the way back, I blew out another tire.

Yeah. Jeez. Yeah.

From potholes.

Yeah. And it's so expensive.

You just hear that bang and you're like, shit.

Mm hmm. Yeah, it's so expensive. I mean, I. The fact that I have. I feel very luxurious, and it's like a flex to be able to have a child, actually. Cause we have enough space to put a baby in our rental apartment, which most people don't actually like. I never thought I would get to that position.

People live in closets.

Yeah, I've lived in closets. When I first moved to New York, I lived in East Harlem. I lived in a truly, actually dangerous neighborhood. And I was broken. Like, just so broke. And I don't know how people survive. I really don't.

I don't know why.

I don't know how I did.

You can get jobs other places.

Yeah. I had my stupid dream, which. And it worked out well for me.

What was your stupid dream?

I wanted to do exactly what I'm doing now.

Congratulations.

Thank you. I mean, and then it's, of course you achieve something. You're like, what's the next thing? What's the next thing? What's the next thing? I'm that clean person, but. And I'm also. It's been a. So I'm off of amphetamines right now. Cause I'm pregnant for the first time since I was five.

Whoa.

Isn't that crazy?

Whoa.

Yeah.

What kind of amphetamine?

I mean, you name it. I mean, so I was five. I have 80. I do have ADHD. I was five years old.

What does that mean?

So it could be a lot of things, right? It could be lack of focus. It can be emotional dysregulation. But for me, a lot of times it's not diagnosed in women until they're older. I was a nuisance. I was unable to function in a classroom setting, which I think is more noticeable if you're a girl. I was acting like a kind of like a boy for lack of better. I mean, I was breaking shit. I was like, rough housing. I was unable to function in the classroom. And then we went and got my iq looked at. Oh, she's really smart. She just can't. So I was on Ritalin since I was five, and now I'm not.

Wow.

Isn't that crazy?

It is crazy. I hear that and I'm like, that sounds like me. Yeah. Know what it means? Because I bet you can focus on things that you enjoy.

See? Yes, I can.

Right?

But writing is really hard, which is.

Writing's hard for everybody. That's why no one's a writer.

Right, but I'm a writer. But I've been on amphetamines since I was five. I don't remember a time being off of them if I haven't been sick or in bed somewhere in the hospital, like really sick, I've been taking one of these drugs. I mean, Vyvanse is what I was most recently taking. So as an ambitious person, it's been tough for me to be pregnant. But I don't know what of it.

Is because pregnant amphetamines.

I don't know. I don't know what of it is. The pregnancy. What if it is no amphetamines? What if it is no nicotine? Cause I mean, I can't wait to go back to nicotine, but cigarettes or pouches? Pouches. I like gum in pouches.

So let me get this straight. So you're young, you're real energetic, you don't want to sit still in class, but are you interested in some things? Like do you focus on some things in your life?

Yeah, probably. I was really into outside and bugs and reptiles.

And when you're around those things. Did you focus?

Probably. I mean, I don't remember that well.

Yeah, that's why I don't know what this is. Because every time someone talks about ADHD and people want to insist that isn't that, it's an actual pathology, that's an actual issue. And I'm always like, boy, I don't know, because I think it's a superpower.

So for me, I, like, I've just decided to view it, like, okay, I'm not taking this. They told me you can take the medication while you're pregnant. But we just don't know what it'll. What an effect it'll have. I'm like, well, I'm not comfortable with that. So I just. I quit it. I quit nicotine, quit everything. But, you know, I just try to view it as an experiment. Like, I've never been off of these drugs, and I'm gonna try being off of these drugs. Doing the most simple task to me, feels like I'm doing it through mud. It's really hard for me. Yes, it's really hard. But one thing that I think I'm gonna. After I give birth, I'm gonna go back to it to some extent, but I don't wanna use it on stage anymore. Cause I feel like I've been better on stage without amphetamines.

Well, I know people that do. I've never done amphetamines. I've never done Adderall. I've never done coke. I'm scared of them. But a buddy of mine who had done Adderall and then gone on stage said it was terrible. So he was never smiling. He was all serious where he was up there, he said was awful.

Yeah. To me. And I guess I feel normal. And I've never really been off of it. Like, it was never really my decision. It was never my decision to go on it.

So what makes you think that you're better on stage off of.

Because one of my root issues is impulse control, which is a problem, and everywhere but a stage. Right. Cause if you're not thinking too much, then you're gonna be better on stage. I think so. I think. I don't get as nervous. I'm not thinking as much about what if I say this? I just. I've already said it, right? And on a stage, that's the best place for that. That's the one place where you can really do that. And it's gonna be okay.

Right.

So I still. The writing is tough. Doing laundry's tough. Being emotionally stable is tough. But my husband is a very patient man. But I also don't know what of that. Is the pregnancy? I am not sure.

Right. Is your first one.

It's my first one, yeah.

So there's lots going on.

There's a lot going on. But it's like, I'm so messed up because I've done these, the amphetamines for so long that let's just say if something doesn't go well, I'm like, it would have been better if I was on Vyvanse. So it's like cr. You know what I mean? Because I don't know. But it's, you know. But I just don't know. Cause I've heard of. From what I've heard, if you're pregnant, that can make you a little crazy, too, I'm sure. Right.

Well, your hormones are going crazy. You got a little person growing inside your body.

It's so weird, so much going on. It's the most normal thing ever. I get that. Everybody does it, and that's why we're all here, but I've never done it. To me, it's wild.

I don't think it's normal.

It's weird.

It only happens every now and again to people. It only happens to one half of the population.

Yes.

And it's the reason why life is here. And it's treated as if it's not that big of a deal.

Yeah, it really is.

And it's. One of the main focuses in this election is whether or not you. And kill the baby.

It's.

I'm sorry to say it that way. I mean, I'm not. I'm not in any way trying to take away someone's right to choose. I'm not that guy, but I'm just saying what it is. It. What it actually is is you're deciding whether or not someone should be able to tell you whether you could terminate the baby that's inside of you that's going to become a person.

Well, yeah, I think that's obviously. I mean, I'm pro choice. I just don't think the government should be involved in it.

I don't think so either.

And I think that there's all these. There's so many different levels to it, right? Like, my husband and I, we froze embryos years ago. So I have nine frozen kids, kids just waiting to be following. But those are like. Those are just a couple cells that are in a freezer, whatever.

Who knows what's in there? I mean, who knows what's in the embryo.

So you really. So you think I should have all of them?

I don't know what's in there. I don't know. I mean, what if I. Every embryo is a life, and not just a life, but a soul and a soul waiting to emerge. Like, once you've done the deed. I'm not that guy. I'm not this person.

No, I don't think you are.

Yeah, I'm not this guy, but I'm just. Let's put it out there.

Yeah.

Like, what the fuck is that? If that thing can become a person, you put it in your body, thaws out, whatever. I don't know. The process.

Yeah, I don't really either. I don't really either.

I just kind of did it all of a sudden. It's a person. Like, you're storing people in, like, a lab somewhere. And do they have memory of being stored? Do we have long term data about the trauma of being a frozen embryo for ten years? Do we have any idea whether or not it has any effect on the human being? How long have they been doing this?

Yeah, I have. Yeah.

What's the long term data on what kind of a person comes out of fraud? Like, what are we like to making a bunch of sociopaths?

I don't. I mean, I feel like we've done it enough time. IVF, right.

I really think they've studied it. Like, looked at the personalities of the people, whether or not they have weird dreams about being stuck in a well.

Sociopaths come from sex, too. I watch it. No, like, the babies that come from sex turn. Can grow up to be sociopaths.

How do the babies come any other way?

Well, I mean, IVF, IVF. There's IVF, and then there's the sex way.

So you're saying that all the babies that are sociopaths come from sex?

No, I'm saying that some of them do. Any baby can be a sociopath. Yes, which is why I waited so long to have kids. And I'm terrified, because, also, what if it's, like, a few degrees below a sociopath and my kid just sucks?

I don't think you have to worry about it.

My kid's the one that shows up, and everyone's like, ah, shit, you know, so and so kids. Here.

Do your best. I don't think you really have to worry about that. The reason why I brought that up is because Ted Kaczynski, when he was young, was. There was something wrong with him, some sort of medical condition, and they brought him to some hospital where he received no touch, no physical touch for a long period of time, like, months and months. And his brother, who turned him in, his brother, who read the unabomber's manifesto and realized, like, I know how this guy's talking. My brother's a genius and a real psycho, and this is my brother. And so he turned him in, and that's how they caught the unabomber. But he attributes one of the things that's wrong with his brother, with the time where he was a baby, where he received no touch and no love, and that it just fucked with his head. And I wonder, those little embryos just sitting in a freezer somewhere? I don't know either.

I don't think so.

I don't know either.

I don't think so.

Religion thinks that the soul enters the body on the 48th day, right? Is that what it is?

I think every religion is different. I think there's some people who are really socially conservative religious that are opposed to ivf in general because embryos are discarded or they die and that kind of a thing.

And, yeah, I've heard that as an argument against what Donald Trump has been saying about paying for IVF and we need more babies. And everybody's like, yay. And then the psychos went, no, no, no. 70% of all IVF babies are never used, and they're discarded. And like, oh, okay.

Yeah. And in my dumbass, I just talk about it all. I'm like, I have nine frozen. Blah, blah, blah.

Listen, you're just being transparent. That's a strong quality.

Well, thank you. It gets me into trouble sometimes, but it's a much less stressful than the alternative of having to worry about things being uncovered that I've been hiding from people. I mean, a lot of times, those are the creepiest people. The people that are. I'm. Everything's great. Everything's perfect. It's like, for sure.

Yeah. Well, also, I've always found that the people that want to control other people most likely are out of control of some aspect of themselves.

Okay.

Like, if I see men that are, like, really invested in telling women what to do and controlling women, like, some weird thing that I was reading about people wanting to monitor employees periods.

Yeah, there was a concern about that, right. Where if I don't. Again, there was concern about it. I don't know if it was ever really a thing, but it was a concern about it happening potentially, where if abortion was illegal, it could get data from these apps that track your period. And I have one because it now tracks my. It tells me, like, your baby's the size of a pomegranate this week, and I'm like, oh, that's so cute. Right? Say it was telling me all that, and I, like, miss my period. Then it could be watching me to see if I was obtaining an abortion pill online or something like that, if.

My period was, which is crazy also, because miscarriage is some of the most emotionally devastating things for women. And then to be accused of killing your baby after a miscarriage because the app read wrong.

The app read wrong. The app saw that you missed your period.

The app decided that you should be investigated in this time of insane sorrow.

Yeah, well, we have exactly privacy. And it's. It's one of the. It's one of the scariest, biggest issues for me.

It's a giant issue.

It's just how many things between banks and the government being able to look at. They were never supposed to be able to look at all the things that they're looking at.

Right.

And that's why people have to be concerned about stuff like that.

Well, in two separate occasions, I've had private text messages that were publicly available because of trials.

Yeah.

So I'm telling, like, one of them was Alex Jones. Alex Jones and I were texting about something.

Yeah.

And they wanted every text that Alex Jones and I had ever sent each other. I'm like, well, okay. Why? Because it was all about the Sandy Hook thing. And the only text that they found was there was some crazy story. And I sent it to him and I said, is this true? That's it. That's the extent of our discussion. But that got read, like, in court. Then it got printed online and printed. I was like, wow, that's crazy. Like, that. A private communication between people, that is my nightmare. All of a sudden, not just gets read in court, but also gets distributed on the news.

That's my nightmare, is having my private text messages.

Good luck with my memes folder. My fucking memes folder's chaos.

That's my nightmare. I mean, the things I text to people being every time I. Every time that happens, when people's texts get public, I'm more horrified that the texts get public than most of whatever's in the messages. Cause it's such a violent. It's such a violation.

It also doesn't take into account shit talking to.

Exactly.

Which is a huge factor, especially with people like us. You say funny things to your friends that you don't really.

Sometimes you're just doing a bit.

Yeah, all the time. Like, half of the texts that I go back and forth with comedian friends are just nonsense.

Exactly. A lot of times you're just doing a bit. It's between friends. And if you could see so many of my group chats, if you could see with comedians, with people, you could see what we're saying. I mean, it'd be horrible. It'd be over for me. I'd have to start a new life under a new name. But what?

It wouldn't. It wouldn't. Because I think people are done with that horseshit. They think it's stupid. They really do.

It is stupid. But I think more people think it's stupid. But fewer people will admit they think it's stupid because they're worried about it.

Well, that's true, too. And also, there's a lot of people that just love to watch people get fucked over. They really do. And they cheer it on. They cheer it on, they get excited about it.

I think it's people who, I mean, I'm always more interested in examining that. If there's leaked, there's this thing now where it's. People are trying to cancel people over things that they sat or tweeted or posted when they were 13 years old.

I can help you with that. Real simple.

But it's. They've never reached.

Yes.

They never reached their potential.

Yes.

That they thought they would reach. So if they can't become whoever, maybe they can take whoever down who did 100%.

That's exactly what it is. And it's also, if you look at people's lives, like, there's a lot of people out there that are deeply unhappy. Like, what is the statistic? There's some crazy statistic we read recently about the amount of men who are not in relationships and are not having sex. I think it's like 50%.

It's really 50% bonkers. 50% of men are not having sex.

Something bonkers.

Yeah.

Like some craze people are just online, like, if you have a shit job, you know that call of duty is waiting, and all you have to do is put those headphones on and sit in front of that computer. And now life is exciting.

Ugh. I date, maybe.

Ugh.

I dated a call of duty guy once. So it's a little. It's a little triggering for me. And I was in my early twenties. I'm like, young and beautiful and sitting. And then he's like, on his video. And I married a man who fought in an actual war, so that was much better for me. I'm like, that's good.

You'll learn from that. You don't learn anything from the video game.

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. I would hate my husband if he didn't go to war, actually, because he was. He's, you know, like a good man from a good family who was, you know, had a good upbringing and went to boarding school. And I'm like, if he didn't have any, the trauma of the war, I wouldn't like him.

That's funny, right? Well, I think people going through things definitely makes them stronger. The rise of Sexless Mendez. Sexless and single men. A third?

Why?

So it's a third? I thought it was half having sex, and here's why. The last decade alone, we see the number of sexless men between ages 18 and 30 increased by 253%. That's nuts.

Yeah.

Wow. It's just skyrocketing. Yeah, not good.

And then.

So those are the people that are mad at you.

Those are the people that are in my instagram. Like, we feel bad for your husband. You're just disgusting. Yeah. Oh. I mean, it's funny. It's come across it sometimes, but I don't.

You know, it's good to not read.

Yeah, it's better not to, but it's a 100%. But it's better not to.

There's no benefit. And reading even the good stuff.

So, you know, the good. Yeah, the good stuff. You never. You're like, okay, you know, don't worry. But sometimes I get, you know, emails that they make me laugh. I mean, sometimes I see things that.

Make me laughter, you know, occasionally, but it's not worth the ones that don't.

Yeah, that's true. No, I hear you.

It's like, if you ate, like, gas station trail mix, and every now and then there was a fentanyl in one.

No, I probably is at this point.

But, you know, if you had, like, ten bags of trail mix, and every now and then one of them gives you a pill that puts you in a fucking coma. No, you would stop eating tech trail mix.

No, I hear what you're saying. It's hard. I recently posted a video where I responded to hate tweets or whatever, and I made my team go find them. I was like, well, you guys go find the funny ones because I don't want to look at all of them.

Oh, that's better. Yeah, because you don't want to go spiral just finding only people who hate you. And when you're dealing with something like Fox News, you're dealing with numbers. I mean, the numbers of human beings that see you on tv all the time are huge. And then the numbers of deranged people that also think the country's falling apart and they're super tribal, you know, they want you to be all in with Trump.

Yes, all in.

And if you're not all in, they're fucking. They're ready to put the duct tape and the fucking zip ties truck and head out the door.

It would be so much easier for me to just be all in.

I know people who give in. I know people who do it kind of disingenuously. Give in on purpose.

Well, I would. I mean, I do well, right? I sell out shows. I'd sell out all the shows and faster.

And you were all Maga.

I would sell more books. I mean, the platform that I'm on every single night, the people who are watching are MAGa people. And so if I were, you know, if money was the thing I was the most after, I would be an idiot. And maybe I am an idiot. I can't do it. I can't do it.

The thing is, it would change who you are.

Exactly. I can't do it.

It would ruin what got you to the dance.

Yeah, that's.

That's the problem. It's like you're opinionated. You like to have fun. You like to be impulsive and say crazy shit off the cuff.

Yeah.

If you're only thinking about appeasing one certain group, that power goes away.

Right. I. Yeah, I just couldn't do. I just. I couldn't. I mean, again, if you actually are super maga and you love Trump and you're one of those people, then good for you. I have no judgment of that. That's fine. Live your life. Have fun. But can you please be okay with the fact that I'm not the way that I'm okay with you?

Did you see the Amazon Alexa, when they asked Alexa why you should vote for Trump or why you should vote for Biden?

No, I didn't. What happened?

It's crazy.

What happened?

It's so crazy. I can send it to you or you might probably. It is so nuts. With Amazon's, with Alexa's responses, the difference between.

I'm sure there's vast.

Yes, there's a grand canyon between the two of them.

Yeah.

Do you have it or you want me to get it? Hold on. What is this? Amazon's election responses about voting Donald Trump versus Kamal Harris were in error. That it has.

Of course.

Listen, it's not an error.

Yeah, of course it's not.

It's not an error, because they literally asked the exact same questions about Obama and or, excuse me, about Trump and about Kamala. The exact same questions. I'm sorry, I'm distracted because I'm trying to look for it while I'm talking.

Why should I vote for Donald Trump? I cannot provide content that promotes a specific political party or. Oh, I think I did see that.

Watch this.

Alexa. Why should I vote for Kamala Harris? While there are many reasons to vote for Kamala Harris, the most significant may be that she is a strong candidate with a proven track record of accomplishment as the first female vice president. Harris has already broken down a major gender barrier, and her career in politics has been characterized by a commitment to progressive ideals and a focus on helping disenfranchised communities.

So just.

Yeah.

Woke propaganda straight from Alexa.

Yeah.

Just listen to the language being used, and it's glass ceiling.

Yeah.

Aggressive ideas.

It's not surprising. And, of course, the Kamala is completely just an idea that's been manufactured.

It's been amazing.

It's been so insane to watch.

Yeah.

I mean, the Joe Biden thing, I think, is a perfect example. The fact that that went on for so long is a perfect example of how the hyper partisanship allows things to happen, because Joe was very clearly not okay for a while. I mean, anybody who was watching that and just seeing it, if that's your grand, like, your grandpa. If that were my grandpa, who's my grandpa's almost nineties. He's got, like, ten years on the guy. I'd be like, papa, we need to go to the hospital. You're not okay. But that became a republican thing to say, so people weren't saying it until they couldn't possibly hide it anymore.

Right, right.

So I think that's a perfect example of how partisanship leads to some really stupid shit. But I was actually shocked that they threw her in there. And just right before that, people were saying, worst vice president ever. Obviously, you know, not popular now. Now she's, you know, she's brat. Like, that's Charlie. XCX is trying to make it cool. It's like she's. She's a da. She locked people up for cocaine. She's not for weed, and she's not Bratzen. Been so crazy to watch. People are so excited, and they don't even know what they're excited about.

It's just gaslighting.

Yes, of course.

Level.

Of course.

Like a production machine level where you're like, wow, look at this thing work. This is nuts. It's like, watching a car get put together by robots. Like, whoa.

Yeah, yeah. And people get really mad. People get mad at me for working out. I mean, even in my personal life, for working at Fox News, people are like, how could you. Like, what do you mean?

Did you see where they compared the differences in her speech in Detroit versus her speech in Pittsburgh?

Yeah.

We need to watch this.

Yeah.

First of all, what. What's fascinating is if I was in her court, if I was with. Working with her, I would say, listen, listen, listen. First of all, nothing off the cuff ever.

Yeah.

Nothing off the cuff ever. No interviews ever. Speeches.

Just speeches. Teleprompter only.

We're busy. Yeah, we're busy trying to fix the world. We don't have time for interviews. I'd say no interviews because interviews are when things go sideways. So, like, CNN was 41 minutes. They edited it down to 18, and all of it sucked.

18 minutes of nothing. I. Oh, yeah. I want to see the rest of.

Like, the difference between the way they probe JD vance versus the way they probe her and waltz. So, listen, camel. Kamala in Detroit versus Kamala in Pittsburgh. Literally 5 hours apart.

Unbelievable. You better thank a union member for vacation time. Oh, thank unions for your vacation time. You better thank a union. It's been embarrassing, too.

It would be one thing if she did that all the time.

Right? Of course.

Got, you know, the ability to talk like that. If she enjoys it, she wants to talk a little shit. Yeah. That's how she's doing it. But it seems like it's all this construct. It's all. Course, it is universal in Hollywood, where they shoot tv shows and you go down the street and it's these facades that look like a city street, but behind them is just a bunch of boards holding up the front of the building. There's no house. Yeah, that's what this is like.

Yeah, it's exactly what it's like. And I still have no idea what I think. She could win. She could totally win. She could totally win.

I know a lot of people that think it's a good idea to vote for her.

Yeah.

I was watching Ben Stiller with his fucking eyes glazed over, just talking about, great, she's gonna be. I was like, this is fascinating.

Yeah.

And it's. I get it. Like, it's the lesser of two evils in their eyes. That's what they're looking at. But, boy, you should not be happy with this. Nothing about you should be excited about what they've done to you because they've tricked you into talking about something in a very positive way that you just recently didn't talk about in a positive way. And there was nothing that happened. Nothing changed that person.

It was nothing that she did. She hadn't even spoken at all for several days. And people are like, kamala, kamala. I mean, the COVID of the Time magazine without an interview is crazy. I mean, I'm so jealous. I'm so. I can't. After I smell it, after I give birth, I'm gonna just have my husband bring me a pack of Zen immediately. Immediately. Nicotine's the best for writing, for working, for everything.

It's great for a lot of things. It's just the delivery methods.

Yeah.

Problematic.

I had a problem with vaping for a while. Like, it was bad. I'd be in public with multiple vapes sitting. And I was like, cat, you can't. You're. You're. You can't be doing that.

Those are so addictive.

They're so addictive. I. I was one of the first vapers I quit for. I'm serious. I. I quit.

My buddy Adam has one of them robot.

I did things. I did. I had a laboratory in my house. He was like. I was sitting all my liquids.

It was like, what's the benefit of having, like, a big box vape?

There's. It just rips harder. I used to love to blow fat clouds. I was. I went. I had to get a dental procedure done. Something super minor, whatever, like a deep. I couldn't vape for 24 hours. I put so many nicotine patches on my body, and I still didn't even feel anything. It should have killed me, or at least made me throw up the amount. And I was like, ah. And then I still kept vaping.

Damn.

I. Eventually, when I quit vaping and I was using pouches to help me quit vaping, and I was using twelve milligram pouches. Like, I tried those.

I can't do it. I started hiccupping. I have to put them away. Oh, yeah, most people, heart attack.

Most decent people. Which is why I'm saying I had a problem and I quit. Now, I got down to six and now zero, obviously because of this baby.

I like threes.

Yeah, I can't wait. I want to get six. I'm gonna. I can't wait. I'm gonna be in that hospital bed. I'm gonna be like, I can't wait.

But you can't, cuz it'll get in the milk.

That's what I can. You can pump and dump, right?

Yeah. I don't think you're gonna be pumping out nicotine for sure.

Okay. But is it okay? I'm gonna. I'm gonna try. No, I'm gonna try breastfeed. Okay.

Definitely breastfeeding.

I know I should, but it's like I've already had nine months of no nicotine. That's the thing that's the hardest for me.

Yeah, but once you've kicked it, you should probably try to keep it off.

No, I think about nicotine every day. Like, every day.

Were you ever cigarette smoker in college?

I smoke when I drank, and in college I drank a lot because I was in college.

Okay. And so then vaping comes a long way.

Vaping comes along, probably. So when I was, like, mid twenties and I did it for eight years.

Whoa. And do you start with, like, regular vapes that you buy at the gas station and move your way up to robots?

I started with the blue cigs, and then they just weren't hitting hard enough for me anymore. I was ripping multiple blue cigs. And then. I love the jewel. I love. I mean, so there's these things in Detroit called breezes. I don't know if you can get them other places, but you can get them. And I'm from the Detroit area, and I was having. I don't know, this is illegal, so I probably shouldn't say this, but my brother may have been sending shipments in to me, you know, when they were illegal in New York, because the breezes were the best.

Why were they illegal in New York.

For a while, although they weren't sold in New York, but for a while, there was supposed to be the jewels, rather. The jewels were illegal in New York, and then we weren't sure about what was going to be legal in New York, because. Do you remember that when they made Juul pods illegal?

I don't, because I don't think they ever became illegal in California. But they did make the mango one.

Because I was flavored ones mango. And that was my shit, the mango Jul, when you get a fresh one and it makes that crackling sound. And honestly, if I found a mango juul pod somewhere in my house, I would. I don't know. Not when I'm pregnant. That's the thing that sucks, is like, I love this baby so much that I've not even met yet.

That's wonderful.

Nothing. It's. It's like, so real commitment. I know, but it's so weird for my brand to love this bit. I never thought I'd have kids. I never thought. I never wanted to, and then I. Now I'm like, my baby's the size of a cucumber.

You know, you're doing the right thing by not feeding it jewels.

Of course. Of course. But I'm gonna go back.

You have to go back in your mind.

Yes.

Wow.

I'm a better. Both of my books I wrote on nicotine had nicotine gum in my. I just want to, like, have something in my jaw.

What is the side effects that they think can happen to kids?

Like, premature birth? I think really bad ones. Really bad ones.

And is that from smoking, or is that.

I think nicotine itself.

Nicotine itself.

I'm really limited. I mean, I can't. It's like, you can't really do stimulants when you're pregnant. I can't do anything when you're pregnant. I can have 200 milligrams of caffeine a day.

So is being off of caffeine hard, or is it being. You can have 200 milligrams of caffeine a day. So is the being off the stimulants, is that the hardest, or that's harder than nicotine?

See, I don't know. Cause I've always done them together, and.

So did you have to wean yourself off, or did you go cold turkey as soon as you knew that I.

Had to go cold turkey?

So what was I like?

I was a bitch.

For how long?

A couple weeks. It was really rough.

Wow. Because you have to, like, sort of, like, your equilibrium has to come back.

Yeah. Well, I had a doctor tell me that I probably couldn't get pregnant without medication, that if I took medication, I would have a 10% chance of getting pregnant naturally, as they say, the sex way. I was just living my life, and I didn't feel good. And then I took a test, and I was like, here we go. And we wanted kids. We were planning on starting ivf, and so I just quit everything cold turkey at once.

And so was it immediately hard, or was it hard after? Right away, first day, you're like, oh, my God, where's my speed?

I would go to the gym, and I'd come back, and I'd put nicotine pouch in. I mean, I really like nicotine a lot.

Wow.

I used to be vaping on airplanes, which is.

Oh, my God. So illegal.

It's so illegal.

Did you, like, do it into your hood?

I would bring a blanket with me on the plane, and I would sit underneath it like a psycho. Like a psycho. But they're like, you know, what are they? Gonna do? They can't be like, ma'am, you're not allowed to be under a blanket. I mean, I looked like a mentally ill. Like, they're probably watching me like little pieces of. Oh, no, no. Because I would. Because I would also hold it in as long as I could to get the biggest rush. I feel like I would hold my breath. Like, I'm telling you, this was Ben. I've never seen anybody as bad on it as I, which is why I can never try crack, because I would, like, my life would be over in three days. I would love crack. So I don't.

It seems like most people do.

Yeah, they do. They do.

It seems to be a problem. Anybody's, like, doing a little crack every now and then.

I mean, I couldn't handle the nicotine vapes. So crack, probably not, but again, yeah.

So when did you move to robots?

I moved to robots after the jewel became illegal and I couldn't get the mango. So I was trying to get the same rip I could get off a jewel.

So you were being like, a chemist. You were going mixing oil?

I always mix, and it was like, stick. And they would explode and be sticky everywhere and sometimes explode in your mouth.

That, like, my friend Adam Curry uses a robot. He's got that robot lunchbox type thing. And he says it's better because he says, first of all, you know what's in there, right? Cause if you're buying them from. They're making them in Vietnam and some sweatshop somewhere. Have you ever seen those factories where they test them all?

Yeah. It doesn't.

Some guy sucks on every one of them. Just one poor guy. You think you got.

I would have loved that job better than that. I would leave my life behind and move. Do you mean I can just rip vapes all day?

Yeah, but you have to live in Shanghaiden. Yeah.

And that job for free.

This dude is just sucking on these things. I mean, I don't know where they make them. He's an asian fellow, but he just keeps hitting them. He just has to check every one of them, make sure they blow smoke. She's grabbing them off the assembly line. Oh, putting them in these boxes.

Yeah.

So he's just mainlining nicotine all day long and whatever those oils.

That's the thing, is, I mainly felt like if I get lung cancer, I will feel stupid. You know, I'll be like, how could I possibly have thought I could get away with doing all this and not have something bad happen?

Well, is there better oils that those things are like, when my friend Adam, you know, Adam Curry is the original podfather. He's the guy.

I know.

First podcast.

I know who he is. Yeah, he's.

He's the best. But he actually has those things, and he was trying to convince me that those things are okay. And the whole. The whole thing about vapes being bad was just, like, the tobacco companies and a bunch of shenanigans. And I was like, hmm. I don't. I'm paraphrasing. I'm not getting the full story. But his argument was that those robot lunchbox type vapes, those big fat boys, at least you know what's in there. Like, you know where you're getting your oils. Like, you can get different quality and caliber of nicotine oils.

Yeah, I was. Well, I mean, I believe there's a lot of studies that show it is way better than cigarettes. I also. But it's also. But it's also the way that I've used cigarettes when I've had, like, I can still, when I go to Europe again, not when I'm pregnant, but when I can, I can still go to Europe and smoke cigarettes. Only in Europe and come back and not smoke cigarettes. Cigarettes. And there's immediate downsides to cigarettes. You got to go outside. You smell bad. Duh duh duh duh duh duh duh. I was smoking the vape. A vape. Hitting the vape when I was in the hospital after, like, I had a near death experience in 2020. Do you know about my shit? I had a shit bag.

No.

So I had happened. I had. I know you're jacked, but this is. You're not squeamish, right?

No.

Okay, so I had a bowel perforation. I had a really bad stomach pain, pains. I went to the hospital, and they told me I needed an ileostomy, which is a shitbag. It's the one. They take your small intestine, they pull it out of your stomach, and you have a bag. So I had to have that surgery in November of 2020, and I was in the hospital, and I was ripping the vape for sure when I was my intestine hanging out of my body, and I'm ripping a vape. I had it for about five weeks, and I didn't tell anybody.

Wow.

I wrote about it, my first book, and that's how everybody kind of found out that that had happened to me. Me. And it was. It was bad. It was really, really rough. And then I got it reversed.

That's good.

I got it reversed. But I had complications.

Oh, that's not.

So. I had complications where I was gushing blood on my ass. There's a loose staple, and I needed a transfusion. Guess which day that was. That I had that bad thing happen.

What day?

January 6.

Oh, my God.

That January. The. January 6.

Oh, my God.

And I didn't talk publicly about this for a long time. So whenever I was on the news, like, people would ask me, comes up a lot, and, like, I be thinking about you. Yes.

Yeah. I will eat out of your.

But I was literally. I will never forget this. I've never talked about this before, actually, this specific thing. I will never forget this. On January 6, I'm all doped up, right? Like, if you. If you have stuff like that, they'll let you have a dilata drip. I'm like, all doped up. Yeah, I tweeted, or I posted on Facebook. Tweeted, whatever. Posted something along the lines of. Of, this is actually my personal Facebook. It shared, too. And it was like, the news is stressful. Turning on a Ted Bundy documentary to relax. Something like that. And I looked at my personal Facebook, and some dude who I knew from doing open mics in Baltimore had commented, like, oh, are you stressed out about, you know, basically that, like, work that you did this, you know? Cause I work at Fox that I did, Jammer said. And I'm sitting there on a bucket in a hospital with blood gushing out of my ass. And this dude that I did open mics with eight years ago is trying to tell me that he's having a bad day, you know?

Well, he's trying to shame you.

He's trying to shame you.

He's trying to blame you for this insurrection attempt perceives to be right.

Which, again, I was in the hospital having. You know, I would say I had a worse January 6 in a lot of people.

I would say so.

I would, right? I mean, I'm just reading that Ashley.

Babbitt probably had the worst.

The worst. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely, absolutely.

But here's what's fucked. It's exactly what we're talking about with comments. Who is that guy? That's a guy. You started out open mics, and he remembers, and now you're successful, and he's not.

Yeah.

He's like, yeah, you caused the fucking.

Collapse of democracy with your jokes from this bucket.

Yeah.

Literally the most humbling, probably moment of my life where I was like, I am a fragile, fragile human being. Right? Some crazy lady next to me, too. She was some lady. She was like, 90 years old. And, you know, she thought that they wanted to give her potassium supplements, so she was talking out loud about how they're trying to poison her with something. I had her comment. Cause we were all watching the January 6. It was on in the hospital, right? We were all kind of watching it together. And she was like, well, everybody loved Trump at first, and now they don't. And she was like, everybody. Those are all Russians at the Capitol. And I was like. And I'm sitting there on my bucket, like, a foot away from this woman, and I'm like, mm hmm. Like, I'm like, I thought she's talking to me.

I was asking her questions.

I was.

I would've given up on any idea of a real conversation. Of course this is not a real conversation.

You're not talking to.

Can't get frustrated. Those aren't Russians. They're probably feds.

Yeah, okay.

You don't even know, like, hey, lady.

I just remember being like, totally.

Yeah, you gotta ask her questions. Like, what have you read? What have you read that brought you to those conclusions?

I don't think she knew what she'd read, but she was speaking very. She's speaking very matter of factly, like.

Oh, yeah, people love to do that.

Yeah.

Well, also probably they're giving her potassium supplements. Probably. Cause her fucking brain is shutting down.

She was really old.

Yeah, she was really old. She's probably not doing so well, like, health wise. They're giving her potassium supplements. That's what they're trying to say. Hey, your electrolyte balances off. Nothing's firing correctly. Yeah, you got real problems. Yeah, probably cramping up.

Yeah, the hospital was a bad. I mean, it's always a bad. It's like a bad hang, right? It's horrible.

But if you could talk to someone really dumb who's, like, really into something politically, you get kind of insight.

Well, I had the. When I was in the hospital for my first surgery, there was this lady who was like. She was farting really loud, and then she was singing. She was, like, giving glory to God for her farts that she was.

Oh, boy.

So I was turning up my forensic files as loud as I could, just, like, cranking it up, and she asked me if I could turn it down, and I already had. This is the day of my first. I already been having, like, the worst day of my life. So I was like, how the fuck could you ask me to? But then we wound up talking all night. Night. Like. And I have her number in my phone still, because. Because when you're in a hospital. And I was by myself because this was during COVID and in New York, my husband was allowed. He could come visit for. I could have two visitors a day, maximum two people for a maximum 2 hours and not past 06:00 p.m. so I was scared. I had this near death experience and then complications on the reversal. I was alone the entire time. And you need. I mean. And again, I'm. I'm lucky because I lived through it. Right. There's people who died, obviously. I'm. It was just so horrible and scary to do that by myself. And also, it's hospitals. You need an advocate because I was so doped up.

They, like, weren't. Like, my sheets weren't being washed as much as they should have been. I couldn't do. You know, it's just like, you need someone. Hey, she. You know, she's. Hey.

Yeah, but I put a workers like, everybody else. Some of them are really good and some suck. And also, it's just. It's weird to be alone like that. Like, there's no reason why you should have had to have been alone. No, it's okay for someone to sit with you. That should be fine.

Why couldn't he stay?

Yeah. I mean, I've had family members in the hospital before. You just sit next to him and read a book, and. Yeah, they feel comfortable. They. Someone that they love is there.

Yeah.

Makes them feel better.

I had my insides hanging out of my body.

You should have somebody with you.

I should be.

Ours is nuts. Like.

No, but again, you're already letting him in, right? Like, what? Does it get worse in the nuts that he can't stay past 06:00 p.m. because also, he had work, and he still obviously came, you know, to see me every day, but he couldn't come for very long, and he had to leave. And I was there by myself, and it was so scary, and there was. There was no benefit to it. It was just because of COVID Oh, that's why.

Oh, that was the dumbest.

But that doesn't make sense, because if he had Covid, he'd already be in there.

Too far from the 2 hours he was in there.

Yeah. Yeah. They told me, I will never forget that. When I. When I woke up. When I woke up from the first surgery, they came in, and they told me that they had good news and that I tested negative for Covid. I was like, I don't fucking care. My small intestine is hanging out of my stomach.

They don't even test for it anymore.

No, they don't.

Yeah, my daughter had a pretty, like, a pretty loud cold or cough, and they brought it to the hospital. I was telling my wife, she probably got the vid. Yeah, I got the vid. It's going around. Yeah. And she goes, no, she's got a nasal infection. And I said, did they test for Covid? She was like, no, no. I'm like, they didn't even test your cause. Like, if this was two years ago, they would 100% immediately test you for Covid. But yet they're still talking about COVID and they don't even test kids for it.

I tested myself. I had it in July, and I tested myself only cause I'm pregnant. And I wanted to know, like, what to expect. And I got really sick. Cause my immune system's trash again. Cause of this baby. No, nicotine can't fight off illnesses.

Are you doing anything to supplement your vitamins?

I'm doing just prenatals, probiotics. That's it.

Prenatals?

What is that?

Accompany prenatal?

A company sells prenatal vitamins.

That's it.

Yeah, yeah. Mm hmm. I mean, I eat food now a lot more than I used to. Mm. I didn't. I used to be chewing nicotine gum all day. It doesn't make you hungry.

There's supposed to be some real benefits to nutritional supplementation or your. Your baby is being born inside of you, like, like. Or being created inside of you, like, maybe possibly going to a place to get your blood work drawn.

Yeah.

Finding, like, what nutrients you're deficient in. And it could really help you.

I should. I should do stuff like that, help.

You, you know, I mean, it's all just simple, basic, natural stuff, like vitamin C and vitamin D and vitamin K two and all that stuff. But your body really extra needs that. You're making a little human.

I know.

And it's the weirdest thing I could only imagine.

I mean, I, again, I didn't used to be someone who ate. I eat all day now, you know? I didn't used to. I mean, I eat food at night. Like, I used to not eat all day. You were on speed, of course. Yeah, but I was also. Nicotine gum. Always nicotine gum.

I have friends that have quit cigarettes. That's the first thing they say. They get fat.

Yeah.

They immediately start gaining weight. Cause nicotine's really essentially kind of a speed, too. It's a little bit of a stimulant.

I was so much.

And an appetite suppressant right?

So I was. Yes. But I was honestly so used to the amphetamines. So I was on Vyvanse, which is slow release Adderall. I don't like. I was on Adderall briefly and it was too much for me. I was jittery, I was anxious, I was, no, I won't do that at all.

Okay.

And the Vyvanse is slow release. It doesn't make me feel. So when I first went off of it, I. Yes, I ate, like, I gained, like, ten pounds in six weeks. Right. But now I feel like I'm just as hungry as I was when I was on Adderall without the nicotine. So. Because I got so used to it. So I wasn't ever really getting this, like, which Adderall I did get from that. From.

How's that go?

Like, your skull, like. And I didn't like that. I didn't like it.

How long did you do it?

So I did it because my insurance didn't cover Vyvanse back when I lived in DC. So I was like, I need something, right?

Did you get street Adderall?

No, no, no, no, I'm not. No, I'm not doing that. Certainly not only doctors, I only move. My drug dealers are all actual doctors. So I was like, okay, I'll do Adderall. How much different can it be? And it was, like, bad. And if I ever forgot to take it, I was like. I was, like, walking in a wall. Like, I couldn't. Like, I was, like, sleeping. I couldn't do it. Wow. I couldn't do it. So then I just, like, found coupons somewhere. My doctor held me up. I was like, in other areas to afford the Vyvanse because I don't know how people take this. Like, I don't know. I couldn't do.

You took it for how many months?

A couple months, probably, yeah.

And what doses were they giving you?

Probably 30.

Is that a lot, Jamie?

It's.

That's pretty. Same was a lot the other day.

Where it was twenties, so that's like.

Someone was talking about twice. Yeah, yeah.

I've taken. I've taken metadata. I've taken. Again. I was. I was. I'm one of those. When they say, like, study. The kids were put on Ritalin when they're five that you're looking at one me. That's. I mean, I was on. And it's, you know, it is harder. It is really a lot harder for me to live and do basic shit. But it's been interesting.

That's Henry Rollins story, too? Yeah, they put him on Ritalin when he was five years old as well. He said, like, he'd be just fucking all day at school. Just grit in his teeth.

Yeah.

All his energy just buzzed up on speed.

See, I never feel like that Adderall. I. That's. I can't. That. I. That's not for me. Adderall's not for me. I won't do Adderall.

Well, I know a lot of people that really love it, and they're all kind of out of control. They're just a little bit off the rails.

Oh, if I take Adderall, I thought I forgot. I remember I forgot my vivants one time and I took someone's Adderall. Like, this was a few years ago, and immediately I'm texting everyone on my phone, like, am I gonna be okay? Tell me I'm okay. Like, are you mad? That's not. I, like, I'm exhausting enough to be around as a person, just naturally. I don't need. I don't need the Adderall adding to the problem. You know? I felt like the world's collapsing around me. That's not a good feeling.

It's just nuts. How many doctors prescribe that stuff and how many people are on it? What was it, 39 million? Is that what it was? Prescriptions last year? Something kooky like that? It's probably more than that because I think that was actually 2021, now that I think about it. So it's probably way more than that now.

Yeah. I mean, I was one of the first, and I think I will. I think I will go back, but then I'm like, maybe I should try just nicotine. But a doctor probably wouldn't recommend that. But what do they know?

Yeah, most doctors are not gonna recommend nicotine ever.

Right. I'm a better person because of nicotine. And I know that's not, like, popular to, like, don't, like, that's not for the kids. But I don't know. I be, you know, writing. Whenever I'm writing, sometimes I'll be like, I'm so. I'm so like, I need to get a sentence perfect when I'm writing. I'll spend hours sometimes on a single sentence, if I think it's a really important sentence, and I'll be like, I don't know. I don't know. And then I'll put a. Put a zin in or put nicotine, and then I will get it.

Have you ever tried other nootropics?

Yeah, I mean, I'm just nicotine. I mean, yes, but.

But have you ever tried other things? Like, you ever heard of neurogum? You know what neurogum is?

No, not that.

We have some over here in that blue bag right there. Neurogum is. I don't have anything to do with this company, by the way. Just something. Okay. Neurogum is gum that has theanine in it and caffeine, and it enhances brain function.

Yeah, I've tried a theanine before, and.

Then there's some other stuff that you can get. We sell something at onnit called alpha brain. And there's alpha brain then. Alpha brain black label, which is, like, the more potent version. That stuff's very legit. Really helps memory really helps. We did back in the day when we first put it out, a lot of people were like, this is fucking snake oil. So. Okay, let's find out. Because there's studies, but there's no. There's no real, like, let's find out. Let's get something definitive. So we did two double blind, placebo controlled studies at the Boston center for memory, where they found increase in verbal memory. So your ability to recall words, increase in reaction time, increase in alpha flow state. So there was a bunch of, like, recognizable benefits at a dose that was lower than what I was taking.

Okay.

Like, half what I was taking.

Yeah.

Like, we. I think the dose was two pills. And I do four. And a lot of times when I'm getting crazy, I'll do six. Like, if I have a UFC. UFCs requirement. Six.

Yeah.

So it's 6 hours. I'm sitting down there for 6 hours. I bring snacks and I drink monsters. And I have alpha brain.

Yeah.

And I fucking lock it in.

I am excited to start to own my body again and be able to.

Take stuff, but you should try some other stuff that doesn't, you know, like, there's some other stuff that will give you benefits but doesn't give you that weird I feeling, you know, that accelerated.

I don't like that because I'm anxious enough as it is. I'm actually a very anxious person.

I have a friend whose daughter was on adhd medication, and she's getting off of it. And he started giving her alpha brain.

Okay.

He said it helped her tremendously.

I actually never thought I could go off of it. Like, I actually. That was one of my concerns in terms of actually.

For the rest of your life?

Yeah, like, that. I. When I went off of it, I mean, I was like, what do I'm in it now, baby.

Fine. Coherent. You're talking very quickly. You're not exhausted?

No, no, I'm not exhausted.

This is you.

Yeah.

This is actually you.

Right.

You want to go back to speed you.

I like.

That's kind of.

No matter what we'd be like, I'd have been so much better if I would be like. If I.

You wouldn't. Maybe we wouldn't connect as well.

I don't know. Because it's. I'm. It's so weird because I feel like I'm getting to meet my. But also, it's not really myself because of the pregnancy, because this is pregnant me.

Right.

But then I kind of am curious to stay off of it a little longer when I'm not pregnant, just to see.

I think you should.

Yeah.

You seem like a wonderful person off of it, so.

You're my primary care physician. Okay.

You seem like a wonderful person off of it. I don't think you need it. I think everybody would like to be a little bit more productive, especially if you're a creative type.

Yeah.

Writer. If you're a doing things, you'd like to be a little bit more productive. But there's no biological free lunch.

Yeah.

And there's probably gonna be some sort of long term damage to a lifetime of stimulating your system.

Oh, there's gonna be.

I know a lot of people that did a lot of coke in the 1970s, and they're all fucked up. A lot of them died with neurological conditions.

Oh, yeah. Coke is. I've got no interest in cocaine.

I just wonder. It's a difference between doing coke, you know, five nights week for a few hours a night versus a pill that you're taking every fucking day that jacks your system up. Who knows if you're gonna blow a fuse over time. Like, who knows?

Oh, I've definitely considered that. I've definitely considered that. For me, it was just that there was, I had, I didn't function off of it, so I didn't try.

Now what about, have you ever tried new vigil or provigil?

I was on provision briefly, but I I was, I forget why I went on provigil instead of everything else, but it was. Oh, I was diagnosed briefly. I've never talked about this. With narcolepsy.

Oh.

But I don't think I really have it.

Did you fall asleep?

I fell asleep a lot in the sleep study, but this was also in college and, like, I smoked a lot of weed in college, so I really think I might have just been, like, had a stone over from the way.

Oh, God, that's hilarious.

And I get. And they said, you got narcolepsy.

Take some pills.

I've never. I've never talked about this, and I've actually kind of just remembered it, but, yeah. And I couldn't stay awake for the sleep studies. They were like, she's got narcolepsy. No one was ever like, hey, are you taking bong ribs? Oh, my God.

I.

That must have been why, looking back, the fact that I was taking that many bong rips. And again, I got. I was. I graduated the top of my class. I was very studious, work hard. But I just, at college, smoked. Smoked a lot of weed.

Yeah, you're probably sleepy.

And I was sleeping. That's crazy. I might have smoked, like, the afternoon before or, like, day before.

What's crazy? That's all the requirement that they have to give you a drug.

Like, she looks pretty sleepy right now.

You look pretty sleepy. You must have narcolepsy. Not you're tired. Not. Are you staying up all night, not a year going on at your house. Are you not getting any sleep now?

You did.

No, you have narcolepsy. Here, take a paper.

I would have told them the truth. Nobody ever asked me.

They didn't ask because they don't give a fuck. They just want to give you a pill. They want to give you a pill.

Yeah, I get that.

The more they prescribe, the more money they make. Let's go. And they're like, you need provigil.

And then I took it, and then I stopped taking it. And I went back to, I think, metadata, which was another stimulant.

Wow. Pro vigil doesn't seem like a stimulant. Does it seem like it for you?

No, it wasn't.

And then there's new vigil. New vigil's another version of it. I don't know what the difference is, but they both seem to work the same way. I used to take it if I had to drive, like, if I was in San Diego and I did a gig, and I'm like, it's 11:00 show's over. I could be home in my bed at two in the morning. Yeah, latest. You know, it's not really three hour drive unless there's traffic.

Right.

But you know how it is if you're driving in the road and it's late at night. Okay.

Anymore I miss it when I would.

Be on the road, and I was. Is it cause of narcolepsy?

No, it's. No, it's because I haven't in ten years, so I'm not sure I remember how. Which, it's like, driving my husband is like, you need to learn. Like, you know what I make this poor man do, or I have made him do the past five years. So I have a cat that is. He's now 14 years old. He is a dick. He's got a lot of health issues. But I won't let him die. Like, I won't let him die. Cause he's like my best friend, blah, blah, blah. But we can't find anyone to watch him. We can't board him at the vet over Christmas. So since I met my husband going on six years now, I've made him drive me and the cat home to my father's house.

Where's your father's house?

Detroit area.

Oh, my God, that's like 18 hours with the cat.

Florazin it's like 12 hours with the cat. So it's like, you try all that time and when you get there, and then when you get there, you're in Detroit.

Oh, my God.

So a lot of people are like, he's the lucky guy. Which. And it's like, no, no, he's not. He's a saint.

It all works out, you know? But this, I'm sure he's happy.

He is happy. He said it's fine.

It's not that big a deal. You're in a car for 18 hours. Just get zen about it.

For a cat, that's not even a nice cat. Like, he bites.

Ooh, that's a problem.

He needs daily medication.

Can you, like, hire a friend to stay at your place?

This, that, this. Sorry, you did just make a very reasonable suggestion for a normal cat. But this cat will, like, he is feral.

So was he an actual feral cat?

Yeah. So I was date. I was dating my college boyfriend living out in LA, and I was like, I moved in with him non consensually. That's a whole other story. I got into Columbia. I couldn't afford it, so I decided to stay in LA and keep interning, waiting tables, doing comedy. And we were fighting a lot because we shouldn't have been together. So he got me a great friend of mine now, actually. But he brought me the. This cat as like a band aid on the relationship that he just found in North Hollywood. Basically, that was like dying and sick. And I've. This has been like, my feral cats are weird.

They never really get unfair. No, feral dogs. Feral dogs can eventually become dogs again. I've seen it happen. They usually have, like, a fear of people, but they eventually calm down. Like, people that have gotten, like, stray dogs off. I had a stray dog off the street.

Yeah.

And I had a stray cat. And that stray cat. I was the only one that could pick that motherfucker.

Yeah.

I was the only one who could pet him. Everybody else would. He would come. You come near him, he hiss at you and swing at you and run away.

Yep. So you need. Professor. When my husband. I went on our honeymoon, we had a. I hired a vet to stay at the house. And my sister, I had her stay there, too, because he likes my sister, but he likes. He finally likes my husband now, and it took, what, like, five years?

That's great.

But, like, he's like, I'm driving. He's like, every year he's like, I'm driving. Cause every year I'm like, this will be the last year, probably. Yeah.

Because cats lived, like, 18 years old.

But this cat has had serious health problems for four years, requiring multiple daily medications that I have to administer. Because not just anybody can come stay with the cat because they have to administer the medication, which is a hazardous activity for the average person.

Oh, Jesus Christ.

Because you have to do the syringe in the mouth.

Oh, fuck.

So I hold him. He'll let me do it. But other people.

Crazy.

I won't let. I said, I'm gonna let him. Like, I won't.

Why don't you just let him go?

He's probably miserable because he's stable on the menu. He's happy to see me when I'm home. Like, he misses me, so, like, he's okay.

He's.

Now talk to me a bit. The thing is, if I'm being honest with myself, even if that weren't the answer, I might still have a hard time.

Yeah, it's hard.

It's.

Losing a pet is very hard. You're so connected to them. Your baby. Forever.

Well, I would.

Marshall, seven.

Yeah.

He's my baby.

Yeah.

He's a baby boy. He'll always be a baby boy.

Well, I mean, this. I was. When I got this cat, I was a cashier at Boston Market. My life has changed.

Yeah. And this cat's been with you the whole ride.

For everything. For everything. So I get it.

I get it.

And he sucks. Like, I objectively, like, nobody's. Like, he's here, you know?

Have you seen that chimp crazy thing on Netflix?

No.

Okay. It's about that lady that, like, kept a chimp and the chimp ripped apart a friend you know. You know that story?

No.

I've heard it's by the same people that did Tiger King, right? I've heard. It's fucking insane. They said it's way better than Tiger King.

Okay, watch this. I was really into, like, Jane Goodall as a child.

I love Jane Goodall. Jane Goodall's odd, though, you know, Jane Goodall believes. She leaves. She believes in Bigfoot.

She was. I thought it was so cool when I was little how she was like, you know what? I don't want to be part of your society. I want to go live among the chimpanzees. I was like, you can do that.

Crazy. This lady is lady. Like this. It's apparently. Apparently. We can't really. Can we play the trailer? We get in trouble.

Okay, so that is the chimp that.

Well, there was. The thing about chimps is when they're little, you can kind of tell them what to do because they're little. They're babies. They listen to you. But then when they get to be a certain age, that's a grown adult alpha primate.

Yeah.

They're not listening to you. They'll rip your fucking nose off. They don't care. They'll. And they also have, like, this vague, very strong sense of fairness.

Okay?

Like, one of the chimps, there's one, this guy that had a pet chimp they had for many, many years. Then he got older, and it was too difficult to control, and so they brought it to a chimp sanctuary. And so he goes to visit the chimp on the day of the chimp's birthday and brought him a cake. Like, they could still visit the chimp. They bring him a cake. But the other chimps are jealous that they don't get a cake. And someone had left the door open. So the chimpsden come out, attack this guy, rip him to pieces. Rip his hands off. Rip his dick off. Rip his.

They ripped his dick off.

They go for everything that you. That makes you a person. They tear your fingers off. They tear your eyeballs out. They're not even trying to kill you. They're trying to maim you. Yeah, they do. They do some vicious, like, that's a crime of passion.

That's not. Yeah.

And they do it because they are mad at you. It's a different thing than like, like a, you know, a wolf.

Yeah.

Wolf's not necessarily mad at you. Wants to eat you.

Right.

A chimpanzee wants to tear you apart because it's mad because it didn't.

You didn't bring them a can. You didn't get fucking. Why?

So you're dealing with, like, a low level intelligence and jealousy pettiness, like, like, sense of fairness, and then all this, like, alpha primate shit that comes with chimpanzees in general. And then you got them captive, so they're basically prisoners. So they're in this cage, they have nothing fun all day, and someone shows up with a cake, like, where's my fucking cake?

Yeah, where's my fucking cake?

And then they just get out and tear this guy apart.

Yeah.

I mean, horrible.

I feel like a lot of that was hidden for me as a child. Oh. When I gave a presentation on Jane Goodall in school, there was like a box set of two VHS tapes. And one was like, the happy part, and then, like, VHS, two was like. I don't remember. I don't remember what was in it, but it was like something graphic and bad that happened to the chimps? No, to the chimps. Like, something. I don't remember what it was. I don't remember. It might have been diseases. I don't remember what it was. All I remember is that the school called my mom because I brought in the wrong one.

Oh, wow.

And it was like, I put.

Called your mom because you brought in something that you didn't produce that was about chimpanzees.

But I, like, shared it and it was, like, disturbing. I don't remember what it exactly was.

They gonna learn? Oh, God forbid the kids learn something that disturbs them.

I was in trouble all the time.

In school, but how nutty is that thought? Yeah, it's a real true thing. Don't you teach about the holocaust? Like, what the fuck is wrong with you? You teach about Pearl harbor and Hiroshima. Terrible things have happened.

Yeah, that's true.

Are you gonna not teach about them? Cause they're disturbing.

I agree.

Ridiculous.

I was also, you know, teachers always had enough. I was always in trouble. So it was like, oh, good hurt. There's a pic, there's a yearbook where there's a picture of the principal in the yearbook, and I'm in the picture because I'm there because I'm always in trouble.

Yeah, but isn't it interesting that you now being. Becoming a successful person and doing stuff stand up, you would see someone like that and go, oh, you're just in the wrong job. Like, someone's trying to put you at a job at an office somewhere, and that's really not for you.

I could never work in a normal office. I never have. I've worked as a waitress. And I was a bad one, but sure.

And there's a lot of people out there that say I could never be a stand up comedian, right?

Yeah. And I started doing stand up. Cause I needed to do stand up. I mean, back when I was in LA and my life was just going to shit, the boyfriend who got me the cat broke up with me. It was shocking. And then I moved into this shitty apartment neighborhood. I was still waiting tables doing comedy. And then I lost. I didn't have that enough money for that apartment, so I had to move in with this bartender. I was sort of, sort of, kind of seeing from my California pizza kitchen job and not like, really. I was like, just because I need to live here doesn't work together. It was a mess. I had no car. I was like riding the bus. I got scabies from the bus. Like, it was, it was a bad, it was dark time, right? And. But I would get on stage and I would talk about it and that made me feel some sense of power over the things that were making me feel powerless. And I was like, oh, I really like this. I could make fun of this shit and people would be laughing, you know, I would talk about how broke I was and people would be laughing and I'd be like, oh, I created something out of something that I felt it was gonna destroy me.

Yes. And it's the classic story. Like every movie. Like, that's the marvelous misses Maisel story. That's the Lenny Bruce story. It's the classic story. People going on stage and going, what the fuck is wrong with my life? Hey, I think I'm onto something.

Yeah, it really, yeah, it really was up mess and. But then I kept being gravitated toward that. I mean, even the shitbag thing, I mean, so, so Jim Norton, who I love dearly, as do I. Yeah, he's, God, he's great.

He's the best.

He's the best. I did his radio show after the first book came out talking about my shitbag. And he was like, you know, cat, he's like, as a human being, I'm really sorry that happened to you, but as a comedian, I am jealous. And I do have a lot of material from that, you know, because a lot of people doesn't happen to, I'm sure, but sure. And it's so. I think it's so much better to have that. People say it's like, oh, it's not. It's so much better to have that than to like, let your trauma define you and try to like, lord it over other people. Yeah, like, you can't say this thing because this thing happened, right? No, that's not.

But you can do that. Some people just don't have that same psychological makeup, which is my original point. Point is that there's a lot of people out there that shouldn't be doing regular jobs and just giving them Ritalin, I don't think is the answer. Like, if you're saying that you can go outside and you can play with bugs and lizards and shit and you're fascinated, that's what normal people are supposed to be doing. It's so abnormal to be sitting in a room with artificial light at a desk where you're not supposed to move, talking about shit that's not interesting to you. That's normal for a kid to rebel against something like that.

I was a hellion, though. I mean, I got, like, I didn't want to do math, and I started chanting, like, no more math. I got on the table, like, I got in trouble for inciting a riot, is what they said. And my dad was like, she's six years old. Like, this is not. But I was like, I was a disaster. I mean, fun. I was fucking fun. That's the thing. I was invited to everybody's birthday, but they wanted me there at least. You know what I mean? I'm still. I'm still fun. I'm a fun person. It's not a bad thing, but it's.

Just the problem is the environment of schools is terrible for kids. But I have a lot of fucking energy.

But I needed school. I was valedictorian in my high school. There were ten of us, so it was everybody who had a 4.0. But I needed to do well at school because I knew my parents couldn't afford to send me away to college. So I'm kind of like, if I wouldn't have been on these drugs, what? I have been able to do well enough at school because I'm not getting a sports scholarship. You know what I have. Or maybe I would have just gone straight to. I don't know. But I had to study. I had to be good at school in order to have the success that I did, at least academically. But then after I graduated from college, where I got a full scholarship, I obviously couldn't afford grad school. So then.

But listen, I'm hearing you talk right now and you're not on stimulants and you're obviously very smart, so why are you saying that you could not have gotten a 4.0? Unless you're on stimulants. I don't believe it.

I don't know. I feel like I might not have gotten.

First of all, we don't know. We don't know because you've always been on them. But you're not on them. But you're not on them right now.

Yeah.

And right now you're very sharp.

You know what's funny is there's people in my real life who have known me for decades who have not had an in person conversation with me off stimulus. People I've known my whole life who, you know, still, you're meeting me for the first time, sharp.

And you're very fast. You don't seem like you're slowed down at all.

Yeah, I was worried that I would.

Be okay, but maybe that's just in your head.

Maybe.

And I don't know, you would have gotten a 4.0 either way because you're fucking smart. And maybe all that does is give you speed. And you're like. You keep going. Maybe you would have been more introspective if you weren't on them. Maybe you would look at things slightly differently. Maybe you'd have a more balanced and nuanced take if you weren't on fucking.

Diesel fuel in elementary school.

Fire burned inside your head.

You know, I never thought I'd even consider not taking them any day or every day. I never thought I would consider that, especially even at the beginning of my pregnancy. But that was also the first trimester, which I was, like, exhausted. Cause I was pregnant.

Right.

I was like, I can't do anything.

So when you went in, you were exhausted at first, and then you were on speed as well.

So I was off speed and pregnant and off nicotine all at the same time?

No, but when you found out that you were pregnant, it was because you weren't feeling well, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, yeah, you were on speed.

Yeah. I was so tired. Yeah, exactly. That's true. That's why I was like, I'm still. I was like, I don't feel good.

I think you're just a fast paced person, and I'm not necessarily sure. You look. I'm not a psychiatrist.

No, of course.

Don't. Listen, you're not going.

Well, you are my primary care physician.

I know you're gonna write your name down as soon as you. You can.

At least to write. I probably will, but.

But that's what I'm saying. Like, are you sure?

Yeah. So at least to write. I probably will, but I'm actually.

But nicotine or speed?

I don't know. I mean, I'm.

That's what I'm saying.

I'm. The fact that I'm even still. I think both. Cause I'll still have data where I really struggle, right. And I forget things and I lose things, and I'll. And we'll have this whole plan with my husband, and then I'm like, oh, this shit. This is the wrong day. Like, I'm just like most people do.

That's normal.

Not to this extent.

No, I bet it is. It's normal to be a little scatterbrained.

I'm more than a little scatterbrained.

I know, but you're fine. So, like, if I was. Like, if I was an.

Right.

No, that's coffee.

This coffee.

If I was in that. That's actually.

There we go. Great. Great. I can't have coffee. That's too much.

200 milligrams a day is all you can have.

I had, like, already an Americana today. Yeah.

If I was an ethical doctor and you came into my office and that there was no financial incentive for me to prescribe medication to you, I'd say you're fine. What's wrong with you, Cat? You know, many people would, like, kill or take a medication to be in the state of mind that you're at all the time. Like, the way you can talk and how coherent you are and how articulate you are, and fast paced. You're thinking very quick. You don't need anything. Yeah, this is all in your head. But you can't write bullshit. That's not true. It's just different. Because you're not high, because you're not speeded up, fucking smashing keys. You still can write it. Don't say, like, you don't need a medication, because writing is complicated.

Yeah, right.

I think you shouldn't take it. I'm not saying you shouldn't have the ability to, as long as you're not fucking up your baby. You know, after all that breastfeeding stuff's done.

But the point.

The point is, it's like, I don't. I think this whole I need it stuff is nonsense.

Well, I've started to think that I, at least, might not go back to doing it every single day. Cause I was doing. I was every. Every day, truly. Except if I was in the hospital.

Well, wouldn't it be nice to be able to go on a vacation and not have to take speed?

Yeah, it sucks to take speed at the beach. It's not fun to be on at the beach.

I get how it's been good for you.

Yeah.

It's been good to you. You've enjoyed, you've reaped its benefits. Yeah. I don't think you need it. I mean, for you to be here right now, sober, in the state you're at, you're as, like, sharp as, like, most people that I talk to. You're on the ball.

Yeah. I mean, it's. But I'm scared, you know, I'm gonna be like, what? I've been better.

Right, but that's crazy talk.

Of course, but it's. My.

People stay on heroin.

That's my whole life. I was at my first communion on vietnamese. Like, think about all the childhood, you know?

Baby will be an awesome reset for that. Maybe at the end of the nine months, you'll have a completely different perspective. You'll been off of it so long, you realize, like, wow, it's actually better.

And I think about nicotine every day. I don't think about the medication every day. So I think I'll definitely go back to nicotine. Maybe I'll use it sometimes. Maybe not every day. I'm definitely not.

That's what you say. Next thing, you're too fist. I know you got the big lunch boxes. Strawberry lemonade.

It was great mixing the flavors and all the shit.

What is the. The best? Like, let's find. I should probably call Adam and ask him, but what is the best oil for vapes? That's not as bad for you.

I don't.

How would you go, how would we google this?

I don't remember it.

How would we google this? Is there a difference in the harm that certain vape chemicals can do? And is there a healthy version?

So. There is. And this is. I know there's one that's really bad. And that was when kids were getting their lungs exploded or whatever.

Well, there's two kids died. Right.

So. But that. I did research on this. I spoke to somebody who, for an article. I read an article from National Review about this, who said that she would be surprised if that chemical was in the nicotine vapes at all because it's pretty much only necessary with THC and that it was only in, like, black market THC vapes, basically.

That's what I had heard, too.

Yes.

And there was two different people had gotten some really tainted THC vapes and died.

Yeah. Which vaping THC, in general is just like, that's not. That's. You never. It's so. It's so. That's my most boomer opinion that I have is the weeds too strong. Like, it's so strong when people are like, hey, you want to. You know, because I don't know what's in that.

The vape is like, who made that?

Yeah.

Who put that together?

Yeah.

Who's the chemist? What bathtub does this get fucking cooked up in? You know, at least if you're getting the actual cannabis plant, you know what it is, right? It's strong or it's not strong. You figure that out, you gonna be fine. You're. You're vaping. You where the fuck that's coming.

No. A few years ago, I was out with my friend and I hit his weed pen and I couldn't feel my legs. I was like. I mentally felt not high, which is like the opposite. I was going, I mean, I wanted to feel my legs and I wanted to be high. And I'm like, okay. I'm like, I don't know what to do. I'm like, you gotta have to leave.

Yeah.

And I couldn't feel my legs. And then I got back to my apartment, and then I felt completely fine. And I'm like, so it was just temporary paralysis? No. Yeah. And I'm like, I have no idea what was in that. And I'd never, ever, ever hit a vape weed pen ever again. And I don't think I will.

You don't want to be the person that winds up in the news.

Yeah, I thought you were gonna say you don't wanna be the person that has to go home, but, yeah, also.

Be in the news over the news. Cause your legs stop working. Cause you smoke some fucking gas.

And I have to tell everyone that I smoked a fucking. How'd you lose your legs? You know, there's people in the amputation unit that been to war or whatever.

I went to quick e Mart pen.

I ripped a bootleg weed vape pen. I was trying to get high.

Is there any benefit to the kind of oils that they use in the homemade robot type googling?

It just brings up a bunch of websites that are trying to sell me stuff. But what I gather from those is that they're all saying you want something that doesn't have nicotine in it, which is a little strange.

That's not. That's what we want.

Then you want to add pharmaceutical grade nicotine. So that might be where the problems come in, making nicotine.

Right.

Or something like that.

But what is that word? Dicetyl. Free.

I saw that a few places.

Dicetyl. I don't know. Dicetyl. Am I saying it right?

Vegetable glycerin and propylene.

Okay, go back up again. Go back up again. Says the safest e juice ratio is one that has less propylene glycol. If your vaporizer allows it, try to use 100% vegetable glycerin, e juice.

I don't know if that. That's true.

These are not from any great sources.

Right. But when they're saying vegetable oil, are we talking about, like, what kind of vegetables?

Yeah.

What's in that? Is that seed oils?

Yeah, it's just says everything says pG or vG mix, and that's what that means is the vegetable glycerin.

Right, but what is that vegetable glycerin made out of? Is that made out of, like, canola oil? Like, what is it made out of?

I don't.

Because I know someone was making it with MCT oil and they were trying to tell me, this is the safe version. Some dude with a robot.

And I love MCT oil and my vapes. If I found out, totally healthy, that. I mean, I don't think it's totally healthy or I would be doing it. I mean, if I found out I was dying, I'd be going to vape immediately.

Here it says VG is generally recognized as safe by the US Food and Drug Administration. But hold on a second. As VG is vegetable based, there's a much lower toxicity than PG or so. That's propylene glycol or nicotine. So it's safe to use an e liquids for vaping. Of course, though, like many things, there's a potential for allergic reaction. But what's it made out of? Vegetable glycerin. What is vegetable glycerin made out of? Google that. I just want to know what they're using. Like what. What plants? What vegetables? Clear odo. Sweet tasting liquid made from the vegetable oil, such as palm, soy or coconut. Okay. Palm terrible for you. Soy terrible for you. Yeah, coconut not bad. Coconut's good for you. So it's, like, dependent upon what kind of oil you get. You're spraying the inside of your lungs with some shit that's generally not good for consumption. Like, palm oil is supposed to be bad for consumption. Canola oil is bad for consumption. It causes inflammation. Vegetable glycerin is made by heating triglyceride rich vegetable fats under pressure or with a strong alkali such as lye. That's the shit that they use to get rid of bodies.

Isn't that how you liquefy?

Yeah, lye is nasty. It's like how people would straighten their hair out too.

That stuff. Process yesterday, the castor and the. Was it beaver sacks or something?

Right, right.

It's a flavoring in cigarettes I was finding.

Oh, my God.

I was trying to figure out which.

Cigarettes use it, but Chris Harris was telling us that he drank this alcohol, that they didn't tell him what was in it. It was a shot. And inside the shot was essence of beaver. It turns out it's a secretion from the beaver's anal gland.

Ew.

And it was in his mouth for ten days. He couldn't get the taste of it out of his mouth.

But why do you drink that?

He didn't know what it was. He was on that show top gear, and he's traveling in some other country. Look, this is one of the local things. And he drank this and it stayed in his mouth for ten days.

There was like, benefits. I get it. There's no benefits.

It's a flavor that they add in liquor.

Jesus.

If there's cinnamon or vanilla hints.

Well, we saw it with the vodka. Right? They had beaver castor vodka. So what is McT oil in vapes? Google Mct oil in vapes. I. That's legit because this guy was trying to. Which is essentially like coconut oils and stuff like that.

CT medium.

But is he just.

Yes, that's.

So this thing says it's just. It's trying to find any heating triglyceride rich vegetable fats.

Right. But see if someone does it, if they're trying to promote it as a healthy alternative to normal vape oils. Mct oil in. In fat in vapes.

The very first thing that came up was from weed maps. It says occasionally vaping MCT or may or may not be harmful to the lungs.

That's so helpful.

Just keep it on the vague side, kids.

But I feel like also people who say that it's fine, I mean, they're probably really addicted to it, which I get. Cause I've been there. I've been there. It's the best if I was dying.

Aerosolized and inhaled MCT oil can be harmful to respiratory health. Michigan's banning them, but. Okay. When you hear Michigan's banning them, I go, okay, but did another industry tell Michigan that they're bad so they can sell their fucking bullshit oil vapes? Like, there's so much fuckery going on with all this stuff, especially these unregulated things. Yeah, here it goes. Can cause lipid pneumonia. Oh, boy. That's not good. When heated and inhaled oils can cause lipid pneumonia, a serious lung condition. Yeah. I knew a family in California, and their kid got pneumonia. He was vaping every day, and he wound up dying. He was, like, really years old. Yeah. Apparently he was just vaping constantly six years ago. It's.

The current articles show that MCT oil, combined with CBD, has increased health benefits.

But, yeah, that's.

It says even in B. I don't know. It's very tough.

It's so hard to know what's true and what's not true. It's just so much fuckery.

Yeah, I have no idea. You have no idea.

You have so hard to know.

And I actually was a person who trusted in terms of, like, doctors more in terms of then Covid happened, and it's like, I don't know how you do.

I know.

I don't know how you. I mean, I know it was years. I'm still not over it.

Well, there's just too many doctors that have a financial interest in following whatever the company line is and with certain things. They're not allowed to prescribe medications because those medications aren't as profitable as the ones that they're promoted to prescribe.

I wanted to bring this up since you said, since we don't know. I was going to bring it up earlier while you were talking about it says that nicotine replacement therapy could be okay during pregnancy.

Well, it's safer, but it's safer than smoking. There's no way I'm ripping darts while I'm pregnant. Okay. There's. I think that's where people who are, like, gonna be ripping. They're like, listen, if rather than smoking, cigs have nicotine gum.

That's such a dude thing to say. Cause dudes can't have kids. Jamie's like, it's fine.

And my husband still. He still vapes, so he still vapes, you know, but I'm like, I'm. You know, I can rub that in his face a little bit that I quit, but definitely.

Oh, my friend Duncan. Here's a good story. My friend Duncan has diabetes. He was the kind. You get it from diet. He's a thin guy. And I found out he was feeling like shit. Found out he has diabetes. Like, wow, this is fucking crazy. So cuts sugar out of his life. All of a sudden, diabetes goes away. Feels incredible. It's like, I can't believe how much energy I had. Oh, my God. I was poisoning myself all day. And then, you know, he has this, like, glucose monitor thing, and the glucose monitor thing is kind of. His glucose is too high, and he's trying to figure out what it is. It's vaping, because all those flavored vapes have sugar in them. So every time he's taken a vape off this gas station bullshit.

Got diabetes from vaping.

He's probably got diabetes from vaping.

That's crazy.

Sugar as well. But he's vaping all day, so he's pumping the sugar into his system. And so he realized after he cut all the sugar out that he was still, his sugar levels would go crazy, and it was because of vaping. So as soon as he stopped that it went all normalized.

Well, sugar is crazy.

Crazy.

I've gotten into sugar a little bit, which sounds insane to say, but I never, like, now that I'm pregnant, it's like, what dopamine is there available for you? Not that much. So I'll get dessert, but I feel like I got a pumpkin spice frappuccino last weekend. Okay. The smallest one available bounces. I drank this thing. I immediately. I was like, we have to go home. I don't feel good. And I laid on the couch, and I slept for 3 hours.

Right. If you're not used to it, that's a coffee. Mm hmm. I know.

I was so sick, and I've gotten into. I was. Last night, I was like, I was on the phone. Should I get dessert? He's like, well, every time you do, and then you're really sick. So maybe.

Have you seen the blizzard? When that guy takes the blizzard from Dunkin donuts and he puts it next to a coffee.

Oh, the doughnut.

To show you how much. No, it's that drink. That frozen coffee drink.

Yeah.

And that frozen coffee drink has so much sugar, and he puts, like, the clear cup next to it so you could see how much much sugar. It's a sugar.

Do you think there's that right? There's a lot. Yeah, it was. Yeah.

Donuts blizzard. That's what it is from Dairy Queen. Oh.

It's called.

It's like, what's the Dunkin donuts? One call.

Some giant.

It's like a frozen pumpkin swirl thing.

It videos on the screen.

Okay, so this is it. So this. It says dunkin donuts. Doesn't say what the thing is, but it's some kind of a sugary coffee type.

That's so gross.

Sorry, Derek Green, for tainting the name of your wonderful blizzard, which I'm sure.

Has no sugar in it.

That guy's showing you all the sugar that's in that thing. That's so insane to take that much sugar in a drink.

But people do it all the time.

Look at that stack of sugar cubes. That is so bananas. That's 181. So it's 34 teaspoons or 51.5 cubes of sugar. Holy Jesus.

Giant drink that too.

Yeah, yeah. But it's also got ice in it.

Yeah.

If you get rid of all that ice, how much of it is all sugar? It's like you're just drinking sugar and.

Ice and you see people walking around with those and I'm like, where are you going? I couldn't be going anywhere after having that. So, like, are you drinking this? It's afternoon right now.

Well, people get used to the sugar and then the sugar doesn't make them cracked and as much.

Yeah.

Cuz I don't do that. But if I do, like, if I have like a milkshake, I'll be like, oh, yeah. Like, it hits me because I don't eat it all the time. Yeah, but some people eat it all day long and they just, their body just gets accustomed to it. Just like alcoholics.

Alcoholics, yes. It's very similar. Honestly. It's very similar.

It's a real addiction. Sugar is a real addiction.

Yeah.

And it's everywhere. It's in everything. It's in so many different foods that it doesn't need to be in, but it makes them more addictive.

I know. And I think it's so interesting with all the things I'm advised to do, like being. They don't really say, like, oh, you shouldn't have a bunch of. I'm sure that's bad. I'm sure it's terrible to have a.

Bunch of desserts, eating organic, eating healthy foods, eating really healthy essential fatty acids, eating lots of salmon and things along those lines, but yeah, they don't. Nobody cares about that. Nobody talks to you about sugar.

No, they don't. They're like, don't have sushi, don't have turkey, don't have.

Oh, by the way, that's a problem. Yeah, the cat you have, I had.

Him tested for toxoplasmosis. He doesn't have it. Oh, that's crazy. So, like, I mean, I thought for sure if he had it, I would have it. He sleeps under my chin every night.

Oh, yeah.

But I actually, we also have a very expensive litter box. We have a robot that click, what are those? It's called the. No, it's called the litter robot.

I've seen those.

Do you know that it not only self cleans it, sends data to my phone in real time. So every time he uses the litter box, I get an alert on my phone letting me know how much he weighs. Yeah. Cause I used to have to weigh him myself to monitor because basically, if he gets overweight, he gets diabetes, he's going down. He has cardiomyopathy. He has. Which is a heart thing.

If I was your husband, I'd be sneaking poop. I'd be giving that cat ice cream.

He's so patient. I'm like, I don't know how he's like. He's like, the cat's not even a nice cat. I'm like, I know, but he has herpes, too. The cat.

Oh, boy.

Which I was really. It's a respiratory thing in cats because the first time, I was confused at first, the vet called me, told me, and I was like, but he's a virgin. And they were like, okay. It's like they pick it up as kittens and it causes them to get a cold that comes and goes. Oh, so he takes a medication called viralis. He takes that one also.

How often does he take that?

Every day. Mix into his food. He has a probiotic mix into his food.

If you didn't give it to them, what would happen? Every now and then you get a blister.

No, it's not. It's respiratory. He sneezes and coughs.

How bad?

Enough where it was, like, on the pillow in the morning. Like, gross. Oh, yeah, gross, gross. It was just, I was like, oh.

It'S on the pills. You just.

Herpes. But then he also, he takes steroids every day, too.

Oh, boy.

And who. And a heart medication.

Oh, boy. That's a lot.

I know. It's. Listen, but I will do. I would do. I would keep him on. The thing is, if I. If you could do a ventilator, like, I would. I'm not clone him. The thing is, is no, because he sucks. You know what I mean?

Like, but what he suck if you had him from a baby?

I don't know.

Maybe it wouldn't suck. Maybe wouldn't suck if you had him as a kid.

He didn't have all the trauma.

Yeah, I guarantee that's. There's a switch that goes in those feral cats that never really shuts off.

No, it's weird.

It's a weird switch because, like, it exists in certain animals. Like, there's, when they go feral, they just never come back. There's just a giant difference between, like, domesticated, certain domesticated animals and feral cats. Are the best example, because feral cats are so different. Domesticated cats are wonderful. Like, can you do the buddy?

Yeah.

Not, they sit in your lap, they touch your legs and go up like this, up and down with their little claws. It's cute.

He'll do that, but then he'll just bite you. He'll be decided he's got a feral cat.

He used to do that too. But the difference in between that and an actual cat in the wild is profound. They know no one's looking out for them, and that switch has already gone off. They're not being taken care of. But if you took care of him from the time he was a baby, it'd be interesting.

Maybe it'd be a good cat, maybe, I don't know.

Would you be willing to do that to clone him? Or would you think some pet cemetery shit would go down?

Oh, no, not that. I think it'd just be so hard. Because what I love about him is like, all the shit we went through.

Oh, you know, right.

He was with history through everything. And, you know, from, you know, going through all that shit in LA, then he lived with me in DC, which is a horrible place. And then, you know, New York and everything.

So he's like, symbolic.

It's the time in my life I dedicated my first book to him. Him and Joan Rivers. It was him and Joan Roe Rivers, neither of whom can read this. That's what I dedicated.

Joan Rivers house. My favorite. My favorite conspiracy theory that the real kooks believe that they took out Joan Rivers when she said Michelle Obama.

Yes, yes. That conspiracy theory. People are like, look at this video. Look at this video. She says this, and then what happens?

So funny. Those, those fucking, the really loony conspiracy people.

Oh, hilarious.

There's so, there's so much entertainment in that. That's one of my favorite ones.

Oh, that's Joan Rivers.

She was 80 years old.

Plastic surgery. I know.

For like the eighties, 80th time. Like, that shit is so bad for you.

I know.

Getting put under is so bad for you.

I know.

And when you're 80, it's so dangerous.

But it's probably addictive to get all that shit done. I mean, I've not had plastic surgery, but when I get old, I might want to, like, I might want to get like a facelift.

Well, I think in the future you won't have to do that. I think they'll have an ability to regenerate skin tissue and make your skin much healthier for sure. They're already doing these things where they micro needle your face and cover your face with exosomes.

I've done that. That I've done.

That has a significant impact. Red light therapy has a significant impact in your skin elasticity and your collagen. But I think in the future they're gonna be able to regenerate tissue and I think they're pretty close to that. I don't think you're gonna need to get your fucking lizard face off.

I mean, I'll do it, though.

What creeps me out though, when women get a mouth that's too big. Cause they get Joker face because their fucking face is being pulled away. So they have a smile and they always show some gum.

I know, I think it's addictive. I think you get like a little bit more and a little bit more. You don't realize how crazy you start to look.

Well, it's for sure body dysmorphia.

Yeah.

You know, it's the same as people who have anorexia, the same as people who are bodybuilders who think they're tiny. It's all people have a propensity to develop. At least certain people do this kind of disease where you don't see yourself as other people see.

Right.

And it can get real weird if you start doing stuff to your face.

Yeah.

Like we played a video compilation of these two brothers. I don't know what they do. They're famous for for some reason, but super handsome when they're young. Like handsome, good looking, like model. Looked like model. And as they got older, they started shooting shit in their face. And then they became like pinwheel from saw. Like the whole thing is like super bizarre. And if you see the madness take place, like over the years, like here. So this is what they look like. Yeah, this is what they look like now. But let me show you what they used to look like when they were young. Look.

Why do they.

Yeah, that's, ah, they were just good looking guys. See if you can find a video of the guy over the years. Because the video over the years is wild because you get to see his face moving, you know, and you see him and you go, oh, he's like a good looking guy. Like good looking normal guy.

Yeah.

So this is, this is them when they're already fucked up.

Right.

This is then when they're younger, look, go back to that real quick. Look at that.

They're good looking, good looking, very good looking. Very genetic lottery type shit.

Like model type, great looking guy. And now look at him. They look insane.

Yeah.

Instead of just looking like an old. Like, Kevin Costner. Just an older, handsome man. You know?

It's also like. So I like. You know. And I'm very proud of having been on tv for ten years. I have my original lips. I have my original teeth.

Congratulations.

Which is, like, a big deal. People get, like, the big. There's a lot of bad veneers going around. Like, a lot of really bad.

It's probably a lot of good ones, though.

Of course. Notice I like. So my mom died. It'll be ten years. Years in November. I like that I kind of look like her. If I fucked up my face too much, I probably wouldn't look like her anymore.

Right?

Like, I like to look like myself.

Yeah. That's a good thing.

And. But I. I don't know. I mean, you always think usually, maybe a little bit, people go, more, more, more. I mean, maybe when I don't, like.

It's a dangerous road, and when actresses do it, it fucks up their career.

I think it does.

Well, it does for, like, some. Because they go away. Because they don't look like the same person.

Exactly.

Like the girl from dirty. Dirty dancing.

I've never seen dirty dancing. What? I've never seen any movies. The only movies I've ever seen is I. I watch Happy Gilmore over and over again.

You don't see any movies other than Happy Gilmore?

So. I've seen Billy Madison.

How much Adderall were you doing, happy?

No, I've seen. I just. Movies are long.

Okay?

So I don't. I mean. But I.

So she got her nose fixed. This is like, her older, but when she was younger, she had this very prominent nose, and then she got it fixed and, like, she was unrecognizable.

It's cool to look different from everybody in some way.

Yeah, but the problem is when everybody knows you as the person who looks like that. Like Barbra Streisand. If Barbra Streisand got a nose job.

Gotta know his job.

It would be crazy. What are you doing? You're not Barbara Streisand anymore. We love the old you. That's what we like. We don't want you doing that. That's nuts. You're changing the shape of your nose, and it's really obvious.

Yeah. Yeah, I do recognize her.

But it's crazy when dudes do it. Like politician dudes, and all of a sudden they got that frozen.

Wasn't that Matt Gates that day?

The eyebrows are up, foreheads not moving.

Like really real housewives.

Yeah. Like, hey, bro.

Yeah.

You just look different three weeks ago. You can't do that.

What times.

You should do that.

Yeah. I don't know.

Why are you scared of a brow movement when you're a man?

Especially as a man, that's. I don't get why men do it at all. Because men are allowed to get old. Men are allowed. You know, with women, it's a little. It makes a little more sense. Men, it's like, if you are 80, you can have a girlfriend who's 30. It happens all the time. Right. But women, not people, cheer it on.

People like, bro, it's hilarious.

Yeah, yeah.

It's like when you see Rupert Murdoch with whatever his latest wife is.

Everybody.

She's 30 years old. Everybody does. Yeah.

Go, Rupert. Everybody who's older. It's very common. You don't even have to be that rich.

There's a lot of those old rich guys, though, that have, like, bomber wives.

Of course.

Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy to watch.

That's why I say my husband's only two years older than me. So that's actually. I think I'm technically, like, ten years older.

Right.

If you take society into account. He's actually like. Like, I'm a cougar, right? Yeah. For going for a guy that's only two years older than me.

Crazy.

Mm hmm.

I know. It's like, in general, especially, like, with old rich guys. Like, none of them are married. Anybody their age?

No. I told him, I'm like, babe. I'm like, you're in finance. Your wife's not even born yet. But he said to me, he said that he usually gets bored in relationships, but with me, he prays for it.

Prays for boredom.

Yeah. He's like, I'm never bored.

It's a nice change.

He's like, I wake up every day, know who I'm gonna get.

Oh, that's hilarious. Are you more or less stable off the amphetamines?

Less.

Less stable, more impossible.

But I'm also pregnant.

Right.

So I'll be doing shit. I don't know if it's a pregnant. For example, he'll say something to me, but I'm very self aware, which is good, I think. I'm very.

Are you sure?

I think so. I think so. I've had a lot of therapy, which I think is helpful, like, when I've needed it. I don't know. I don't go all the time, but I'll be. He asked me recently if I could pick some things up around. Like, this is your stuff. I was like, I'll just leave if you want me to sleep. And I'm like, oh, my God. Sorry. That was. That was a bit of an overreaction. But I don't know if that's because I'm not medicated or because I'm pregnant.

It's probably a little bit of both.

You know?

I mean, certainly there's something going on inside your body that's significant, and then on top of that, you're off speed.

Yeah.

That's why it'd be interesting for you to wait a little while.

I think I'm going to.

Yeah.

Which I never thought I would.

You probably should. You might like yourself more after nine months.

Yeah.

Because right now you're still in the hell of it.

It is.

How many months it's been since you stopped?

So whenever I found out I was pregnant at the end of May.

Okay, so just a couple of months.

Yeah.

Yeah. June, July. Oh, and we're in September now. Okay.

Yeah.

So three months.

Yeah.

So this is like a new thing. You know, your body's probably still equalizing, you know, normalizing, getting down to the regular levels.

And it's weird. When I see myself in the mirror, I still, like, do a jump scare. Cause I'm like that. Who's that? Cause I was so skinny before. I was really skinny before. Now I have, like, a belly because I'm supposed to. Right, right. But I do a jump scare a little bit of.

Really?

Yeah. But I'm going back out. I mean, I'm going back. Back out on tour when the book comes out. So I'm gonna be super pregnant. Super pregnant. Five days a week on gut fell. Two days a week on the road.

Wow.

So that's gonna be a lot.

Are you worried about that? Like, becoming exhausted and that would have a detrimental effect?

I'm worried about being exhausted, but I'm not worried about having a detrimental effect. I mean, because I'm just gonna do it, and I love it. Like, I love being on stage. I love doing what I do.

You get enough sleep?

Yeah, but it's gonna be tough at the end. It's gonna be.

You gonna do it all the way to the end?

Yeah, I'm doing it all the way until I can't fly anymore. So. The middle of December.

Wow.

But I, you know, it's. My husband says he's gonna come with me. His. His joke. He has, like, a couple joke. He has, like, five jokes, and one of them is. He's like, I'm gonna come. So she has someone to yell at. That's his bit. He has a few jokes. He's in the military. What else does he say? He loves. He loves when people ask him if he's ever been hunting, because. Cause. And he gets to say just people.

Yeah, I like that one.

Yeah, he likes that one. I'm trying to think what else. He's got, like, a five solid bits that he does. But, you know, it's crazy that you're.

Gonna do it all the way up until nine months. That seems. Why not just, like, stop doing it, like, six?

Cause I.

It's gonna be rough.

I'm a person of extremes. I'm always like, I wanna take it to the limit every single time. And I also.

Even while you're pregnant, like, what if you give birth prematurely when you're on the road?

I don't think I will.

Oh, well, you've had a lot of experience having babies.

I don't, but they said so. They said I shouldn't fly past 34 weeks. So that would be December 28 ish. And my last show is, I think, December 15. So I'm just listening to what they're telling me.

That's good.

But I. And I also, I think it's gonna be. I really like this. I'm really passionate about the subject matter. You know, I love doing the show, and it's. Why wouldn't I do it? Other than, you know, what you just mentioned.

It's funny that people would instantly want to label you as a right wing person because you're on Fox. And also, it's funny that just people do that anymore, whatever they did when they first created Fox, because Fox was essentially the first real opinion based news source that was very right wing, that was on television. And then that gave the rise to, or it least gave some of the motivation to places like CNN to develop these editorial based shows and opinion based perspectives that really annoyed and polarized so many people. And it used to be that there were certain stations that would have objective news, and you would get objective news, and you would have right wing people given their perspective and left wing people. Look, Gore Vidal and William F. Buckley debated live on television multiple times in a row. And it was like, one of the biggest events on tv at the time. Like, people were allowed to have differing opinions, and they'd be on a show and we would let them talk things through.

Yeah.

And even then, I'm sure it was polarized. It's always going to be, people are always going to be tribal. But today, it's so much more ridiculous than at any time I could ever remember in my life.

Well, I think that one of the bigger, biggest problems with today is not just that there's a lack of independent thinking, but that people have difficulty even perceiving it when it happens. So if I say something that is critical of Kamala, then people are like, oh, she's maga, she's super maga. Or if you say something critical of Trump, then it's like, oh, well, you're a communist and you're gonna vote for it. And they don't even perceive that. Hey, maybe someone could be this other thing where they just kind of don't fall into either camp. And I get that. People. Yeah. Cause people do.

You just have a point and just listen to what the point is.

But it's. And the parties don't mean anything in a lot of sense. Like, I've been at Fox for almost ten years now. I used to get shit on for, I'm super anti war. I'm an anti war person. I think, you know, it's a lot of, I think we know they lie to us about a lot of these things. And then we know that people get promoted and they get rich who work and they move on from working as generals to working in weapons companies, et cetera. We know all this stuff. But that used to be something that the left would agree with me on and the right would yell at me about. And then it was Trump was becoming anti war with the Ukraine, and then it was reversed. Then I was like, I'm a Trump puppet for thinking and saying the things that I've always, always thought. So it's just people. It's just people even notice that though, right? They don't even notice it as it's.

Happening because they're really just committed to their trial.

Exactly.

It's these blue, no matter who people, or red til dead people. And you can trick them into. This is one of the reasons why, if I was the grand manipulator of the world, if I really believe there's one cabal of super geniuses that's running everything, I would try to see if I could do that. I would say, let's see if we can get the left to support, like, censorship, pro war, yeah. Invasive politics, like entering into people's homes and classrooms and siphoning up their information in order to protect trans kids in fucking Detroit or whatever it is, come up with some fucking reason and make everybody get a part of a centralized digital currency, because that's better for everybody and put everybody on an app so we know if you're vaccinated, that's the left.

That's the. Yeah, exactly.

If I wanted to show that people are so easily manipulated that there is no left, there is no right. It's mostly nonsense. It's mostly people just apply. They're just subscribing to a predetermined pattern of beliefs and behaviors that they think is good and makes them a part of the tribe.

It's exactly what it is. Yeah, it's exactly what it is. And it. Because when people, people say, oh, you moderate this. I'm like, moderate according to what? What are these two pillars that have been set up? They're not. It's not real.

Right?

And it's always changing exits and it.

Goes so far to the left and so far to the right that what used to be crazy is now normalized. Like hormone blockers for kids, like being able to take away parents rights because the child wants to transition and they want to be able to do it without the parents. With the parents say so. That's 1314.

So fucking crazy. The stuff with the schools is crazy to me because it shouldn't matter what it's about.

But there was no time in history we would have accepted that.

No. To say that you can't tell the parents what's going on with the kids at school is to say that the state has more ownership over your kids than you do.

Yes.

That's some creepy communist shit.

And it's not just creepy communist shit, but it's prescribed. It's like, this is what you're supposed to believe in if you want to be a part of the progressive left.

Yeah, but then, of course, the right takes it too far, being like, draco, no drag queens. You know, it's.

You should definitely be allowed to be a drag queen, but I don't know if you should have drag queen story hour for five year olds when there's.

No parents around and also when the kids can't read or do math is my thing. I think that all this stuff, it's also very. I've noticed it became more of an argument after Covid. I think there's a lot of distraction from, hey, these kids lost a lot because I think it's so crazy how it's this radical idea to say the department of. When Trump said, I'd get rid of the department of Education people, he hates kids, it's like, okay, well, look what they did and look what they're continuing to do. I mean, kids look at the results.

In this country, the academic results are terrible.

There was no school for two years.

Some places just getting rid of a department or disbanding a department doesn't mean you don't fund that thing anymore. But it probably would be better if there was something more competitive.

Exactly.

Because if you just give it, just like we were talking about the homeless problem in California, if you just give it to an organization, institutions, a government fund, an institution has no obligation to be profitable, has no obligation to be effective. And you just say, we are spending a lot of money on the homeless problem. What you've really done is just employ a bunch of people and they've done very little.

No, well, they've done a lot in terms of probably their own incentives and their own power, and they're going to.

Apply that to basically infrastructure, education, everything. It's just the same kind of thing. It's like I'm nothing. Not this person says the free market will figure out everything, but in a lot of cases, you'd be better off with some competition. So you'd force people to be more effective. You'd force results. You would have to. You would force people to be accountable for whatever decisions they've made and what the results of those decisions are.

There's no accountability.

Right. There's no accountability. And that's a real problem in this country. And that used to be something that the left feared. The left used to fear corporate interference and big business and big government to fear that. They used to fear all that stuff and now they're all in on it.

Yeah.

So weird.

Yeah. And for me, I mean, I'm a huge, I mean, first amendment is so important, right? That's, if you don't have that, you don't have anything.

Well, you don't have a job.

Yeah.

Without it.

Right.

I don't either.

No, of course I go to IB. I would be in jail a long time ago.

Think about what they're putting people in jail for in England. Just posting things on Facebook.

But I get shit from both sides for depending on what I'm defending in terms of the constituent something, being constitutional. I mean, with, obviously with the left, it's like, what also was crazy to me is people, a lot of the same people were the Trump is Hitler people. We're also the hate speech laws people, which is like, how can you think this government that's led by Hitler should be in control of what you can and can't say? That doesn't make sense to me. But sometimes I also, flag burning has to be constitutional because you have to be able to, like, buy a flag. And if you can't burn a flag, you bought, like, come on. Like, that's government protest. You have to be able to do that. I don't like it. I would never do it. But you shouldn't put people in jail for it.

Yeah. Trump said he wants to put people in jail for a year.

Yeah. And I was like, dude, it's like, you know what I mean? Like, he got shot. He looked awesome when he got shot. I mean, he really. I mean, I. If I got shot, I would not look that cool, right? Fist pumping. No, no. I'd be like, yeah, it was amazing. When he got shot, I was like, oh, that he won. I really thought after he got shot, I was like, he just won the election.

Well, I think they did too. That's why they shuffled Biden out and put.

Yeah, think so, too.

And they're like, let's just gaslight these motherfuckers into a coma and push this through.

Yeah, I think so, too. I think so, too.

Because 100%, if they had a full year of Kamala versus Trump, like, a full year of her running and doing interviews, who do have a much talking. Yeah. We'd have a much more balanced understanding of who she is and how this is gonna look and what's gonna be like if she becomes president.

Absolutely.

Right now, people are just riding on gas. They're riding on gas.

But it's so powerful the. And you can see it, that everybody's in on her. That's really powerful. People are excited about Lex is an honor that Alexa things crazy pop culture. You know, everyone's in on it. And it's. It's also in this. I hate. I hate election years because it's just like, if you don't vote for blank, this whole country is gonna go down. Like, both sides say it. So it's just like, it's no, whoever wins, it's going to be shitty and just in different ways, and maybe some of the same ways. It's just not.

What do you think would be the shittiest? Like, not in terms of. For the country, but in terms of people's reaction. Do you think more violence will take place if Trump gets in office or more violence will take place if kamala gets in office? Because I anticipate there's going to be some craziness after the election. Of course, once someone decides, whoever someone is, whoever's president, whatever never gets decided, there's going to be some madness. Yeah, you're going to be some real madness. And I get scared of that kind of stuff, too, because I know that a lot of times when people do that, they think they're making a point. But, boy, if you're against government control, those kind of, like, real angry riots. And protests are an amazing opportunity for them to clamp down on your rights.

Yes, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. When that happens, it's like, okay, well, then we need to crack. Federalize police and this and that. It's like, it's crazy. I really do. I am concerned about it for the same reasons for the. Absolutely. And it's gonna be bad no matter what in terms of the reaction of the other side. I mean, people, I'm not looking forward to it. I'm like, I can't wait for this election to be over. And then I'm like, oh, it's gonna be even worse.

Probably will. I mean, especially if you believe the conspiracy theories that some of that stuff is funded. Like, some of that stuff is organized. Some protests and riots, they seem to be organized, right? And I'm not gonna be a conspiracy theorist, but there is a thing called an agent provocateur. It's always existed, and they send people in to disrupt protests and turn them violent and make things chaotic. That's always been the case, especially if they want to push a very specific agenda that, you know, the people are fed up and they're angry. And so when. Remember when the George Floyd riots were going on and they'd find pallets of bricks just laying around?

Yeah. Well, that was crazy, because anybody ever.

Some people had, like, reasons for certain bricks being in places.

Yeah.

But there was a few of them where they're like, people just said that they just got dropped off there, and that's exactly where everything popped off. Like, why are there pallets of bricks? There's never just pallets of bricks laying around.

No, I have not yet. I have no idea.

If you were going to organize a riot, wouldn't you?

I'd break some bricks. I'd break some bricks for my riot. Yeah.

If I was like, look, this is what we're going to do. We're going to. We're organizing. We're spending all this money to get these college kids to invest in this. Then we're going to bring in Antifa, and they're going to go crazy, and we're handing out masks, and then we're going to leave bricks around.

And I also think it's sad because I think that there were definitely legitimate points to be made and are about criminal justice, I think. But, boy, was that handled the war. I mean, so they go from that to people to people, you know, setting buildings on fire and then CNN doing the, you know, mostly fiery but mostly peaceful with the famous. It's like, come on, you don't got to defend that. You know, like, nobody. Like people. You look ridiculous.

Exactly.

But then it got completely bungled. And so in the name of criminal justice reform, now it's like people who are actual violent criminals can be allowed out easier. Nobody wanted that. So then now the pendulum's gonna swing in the other direction where, you know, it's gonna be even more law and order, and it's gonna be like you said, it's gonna be rights at stake, civil liberties at stake, which is what this was supposed to be all about to begin with.

Well, this is the. The ultimate goal of. I mean, again, I'm not saying this is happening, but this would be the ultimate goal of a communist dictatorship. You cause chaos, you step in to stop the chaos. You install new rules to make sure that there's no more chaos anymore. You protect, you cause a problem, you bring up a solution. That solution allows you to gain more control, and you just keep doing it. You keep doing it until you have ultimate control over the people.

Yeah, and I'm not saying it's happening either, but in general, it's moving that way. In general, the fear is used by the government a lot. It's really. I mean, even going back to talking about war and national security, and we need to do this. Next thing you know, I mean, look at the Patriot act. I mean, people were like, you have to be able to. To protect you doing this, banning tick tock, all these things, and you look into what they're really doing and the power that it would really give them. It's like, oh, this isn't about really just banning TikTok.

What did Kamala Harris say recently about Elon Musk? Elon Musk and Twitter having to follow the same rules as Facebook?

Yeah. What did she say? Yeah, what did she. I don't know. I didn't hear what she said.

It was something about how Elon's gonna have to follow the same rules.

That's so, first of all, what rules? Yeah, yeah.

And also, didn't mark Zuckerberg just come out with a statement saying that he regretted giving in to the government's request to take down Covid-19 information? Yeah, and, yeah, and then the mother Biden laptop story, he just came out with, like, it was a big statement because for a lot of people, they were really furious about it. Claim a video clip portrays Harris saying that she will shut down X. I don't think she said she would shut it down if she wins 2024 pleasantly. Musk has lost his privileges. The fact that's false. Harris was referring to Trump long before Musk and Twitter rebranded it, it as X. So is that what she was saying from that video? So was the video her saying that why should Trump, why should Twitter be allowed to have Trump on if Facebook can't have Mon? Is that what it is?

When I'm looking for the video I'm seeing is like 20 within the last 24 hours. Post save a claim is false.

Right, but that is not what we were talking about, though. We were talking about something slightly different. Let me see if I could find it for you.

She would have shut down x.

No, no, no, no. I'm not saying that she said she would shut it down. What I'm saying is that she was saying that why should Twitter not have to follow the same rules that are being followed by Facebook?

Right.

What I typed in was Kamala Harris Twitter rules. So that's the videos that were popping up here.

I'm sending it to you right now, Jamie. This is what I'm looking for. Okay. So I need to know what she's referring to here. But, like, listen to this statement.

Yeah, I think this is from.

Go ahead and play. Let's see what it says. So she's probably talking about Trump being on Twitter. Is that what it is?

She was talking to Jake Tapper.

So. Right.

You can't say that. You have one rule for Facebook and you have a different rule for Twitter. The same rule has to apply, which is that there has to be a responsibility that is placed on these social media sites to understand their power. They are directly speaking to millions and millions of people without any level of oversight or regulation. And that has to stop.

Speaker one. Okay, right away. Yeah, there's no way to misconstrue that.

What does that mean?

Oversight and regulation for free speech is ridiculous. Yeah, just that alone, there's no way to misconstrue that. Right. What she was saying is what I, I was thinking. She was saying. She was saying she wants government oversight and regulation for social media. That's crazy.

It's crazy for anyone to want it. Because if the only reason you want it, right is because you agree with the ideological bent of the platform, wait until someone else is in charge of it or wait until there's a different government in charge.

It's also saying that the very thing that Mark Zuckerberg regrets should be happening. She's essentially saying, why should they have different rules for Facebook than they do for Twitter? Like what rules?

Like what rules?

We don't have rules. We have First Amendment rights of free speech.

I think it actually is even crazy that he's admitting that, you know, I mean, good for him. Absolutely.

Trump said something pretty scary for him. He said that if he finds out that he interfered with the election, he's going to be in jail for the rest of his life.

That's pretty scary.

That's pretty scary because it's very likely that he might wind up being the president. And if he winds up being the president, they start inviting, investigating this stuff. If I was Mark Zuckerberg, I'd be pretty fucking freaked out by that statement because it is election interference for sure. Whoever was running Twitter, who gave in to the FBI's request to take down the Hunter Biden laptop story, they definitely interfered with the way people voted. Because if people found out that that laptop was legitimate and all that stuff was true, there, there's a certain percentage, I know what the number is, but there's a certain percentage of people that were maybe on the fence and that could have influenced their vote one way or another. And it could have given Trump fuel because he could have been talking about it. See, I told you that this was real and they've been lying. And it would also prove that Biden lied during the debates.

I don't understand how anybody didn't think it was real, though, because Hunter never even denied he was. When all those people signed that letter.

All those intelligence people, 51, former intelligence.

Agency, 51 signed it, guess who didn't sign it? Biden. Right? That's what I thought from them. I was like, okay, if that was me and someone was saying there was a laptop going around of me, you know, doing all this shit, banging all these people on camera and smoking all these drugs, I'd be like that. I would be like, that was not me. I would be like, you know, that'd be pretty important for me to come out and say that if it happened.

Today, you could claim it was AI easy.

Well, that's out there with everybody. Me and Cliffenhe, sadly, forever. Forever.

Yeah. And not only that, it's gonna change and get way more complex, and there's.

Nothing you can do about it because you knock it down, it's like whack a mole. It's like, then there's another one. Then there's another one.

There's nothing to do about that, but that, you know, with all this stuff, this talk like that, whatever she was saying, right there is not what you want to hear from someone. You don't, you don't want to hear they're gonna censor social media.

Talking specifically about Senator Warren, talking about banning President Trump's account. And that was her response to it.

Yeah, but she was also talking about oversight. She talked about oversight very specifically and clearly.

Yeah, it has the quote right here.

Yeah.

And what's the rule that she's talking about?

The same rule should apply, which there has to be a responsibility that is placed on these social media sites to understand their power. They are directly speaking to millions and millions of people without any level of oversight or regulation. And that has, has to stop. That's all you need to hear. Like that. Right. There is not something you want to hear from someone who respects the First Amendment. That's not how it's supposed to be.

Also, who's they? It's just a collection of people.

Not only that, if you're talking about oversight and regulation, are you talking about the exact same people that were trying to get Twitter and successfully did get Twitter to take down the Hunter Biden laptop story and make it impossible to share that video saying that it was misinformation when it was not? And if you don't do anything to correct and to hold people responsible, that pushed out that misinformation, and no one's punished for it, and there's no retribution, there's no repercussions at all. Like, what are you saying then? What are you saying? It's okay if your side says things that aren't true and you can regulate in a way that's not based on fact or reality, but based on a result that you want to take place, and that's fine. So we don't have freedom of speech?

No, of course not.

And then you're talking nonsense. This is talking crazy talk. Maybe she believes it was real back then. Maybe she believed it was real. Who knows? Maybe she believed it was important that the guy. But if you got ahold of the Twitter files and you see what Michael Schellenberger and Matt Taib and all those people that went through that stuff with a fine tooth comb, the stuff that they found out should make you realize, like, no, you can't have the government tell you what you can and can't say. They don't always tell the truth. They're often influenced. Sometimes you have rogue actors. You probably have one or two people that's responsible for, for making the call to Facebook or to Twitter. So it's on them. It's on these people with whatever fucking influence that they have and whatever people are talking to them behind the scenes. We can't have that, kids. It's bad for everybody.

Yeah, and just the idea that there's certain information that's misinformation is just the government sanctioned information, but they can't even.

Let you debate it. They want you to stop it as soon as they want you to stop it. The only solution to bad information is good information. Of course that's how it's supposed to be. If they want to stop you from saying something. And then it turns out that what you were saying was true, no one should trust them ever again. There should be some sort of a comeuppance, and there's no comeuppance. There's no discussion of it. It's never talked about. It's just plowed on through. And we move on to the next thing with no acknowledgement at all that you guys fucking bullshitted us and lied to us for years.

For years.

And now you want to control social media to stop lies.

And the lab leak theory is one that really, I mean, people's careers were destroyed over being like, maybe this virus came from this lab full of viruses where it was found right outside us. And they were like, you fucking crazy ass, you should. But it was only because certain information was seen as acceptable and sanctioned and certain information was seen as not.

What's way creepier than that?

Actually suppressing it. No, I get it.

There's a business behind it. And they use their money and their influence and their control of the media to fuck you. You got bullshitted. You got bullshitted by business. And business they got together with media and they all had a plan. What are you playing, Jamie? What are you watching over there? More bullshit. It's just there's so much bullshit, but also less bullshit if you think about overall, because there's way more truth now, right? Like, you get way more independent journalism than. Than we've ever had access to in the history of the human race. And you get so much of it. So you get all this media propaganda and mainstream bullshit, but on top of that, you get a lot of Jimmy doors. You get a lot of independent people that are telling the truth. You get the Glenn Greenwalds, you get the Matt Taibbis. You get all these people that are just telling you, Michael Schellenbergers, telling Barry Weiss, telling you what the fuck is actually going on and not attached to some large corporation.

Yeah. But it's also saying the government is the only one that's allowed to. To be wrong.

Right.

Because if what they say is misinformation turns out to be true, as was so many things, that's okay. Right?

But it's not just wrong. You were lying.

Of course. Of course. Like Fauci being like, oh, we made up 6ft. Like, yeah, we didn't really know. It's just actively lying. Yes, absolutely.

There's a difference between being wrong about something and just lie and then getting truth removed, you know, and shaming doctors from Stanford and Harvard and making them out of to be kooks. Some of the people that were the top of their field.

Yeah.

And they had dissenting opinions because they're experts.

Yeah.

And they're watching this bullshit go down by bureaucrats and they're like, you motherfuckers.

And people say, just stay home. That drove me nuts. I feel like, how can you say that when you're still at work? When you're still at work, right? I mean, I was lucky to still have my job and people had to shut down. Even New York's not the same anymore as it used to be because a lot of these businesses closed down forever. What made New York so special was a lot of those small businesses, restaurants, things like that. They can't afford to be open and just not have customers for that long. So now a lot of that's like Dunkin donuts.

Are you seeing the difference in New York with the spike of immigrants?

I haven't really. I don't go outside that much.

There was some recent statistic about the percentage of violent crimes, robberies and assaults that were created by migrants, illegal immigrants that are in New York right now.

Yeah, I am not familiar with that. I mean, I also truly don't go any, like, I go to work in my apartment and that's pretty much it.

I was gonna read the article, but I saved it. See if you can find it, though. Cause I thought it'd be an interesting thing to talk about. Like, at what point in time? Like, I know that Eric Adams, the mayor, is like, stop coming here. Go somewhere else. And Kathy Holchell's like, get out of here. Go somewhere else. But you still have a sanctuary city and you still are paying them to stay there.

That's the thing that gets me is I'm somebody. If you are nonviolent, contribute to our economy, then I think you should be welcome to do so. But the incentives where you're paying for.

Things, here it is immigrants. It's on New York Post. Migrants flooding New York City's justice system, making up 75% of arrests in midtown as pathetic sanctuary city laws. Handcuff cops. Yeah, I saw this thing where someone was complaining to these cops about someone doing something illegal, and they said, we can't arrest them because this is a sanctuary city and they're migrants. You just do wild. It was somewhere in Colorado, so, like, you could just do wild things and no one could do anything because you're.

In a sanctuary city, and I think it's terrible. I think it should be very simple. I think that if you want to come contribute to the economy and you're nonviolent, you should be free to do so. I don't think we should be paying people, I mean, to come over to the city.

What do you think they're doing?

Yeah, that's what they're doing.

What do you think they're doing, though? Why do you think it. They're doing it this way?

I don't. I mean, like, there's many explanations. There's a bunch of conspiracies, and then there's also the idea of people not wanting to sound. Not wanting to be called xenophobic.

Yeah, but if you not want to be called xenophobic doesn't mean you have an open border. The idea of just completely abandoning any idea of security concerns.

Yeah, I think it could be more. It's sad because there are people who want to come here and work and should be able to and have problems. They can't come here. But then there's people who just. It's not even the problem. You don't even blame. You come here, you get a free this. You get free that free place to stay, why wouldn't these people all come?

Right. Do you think they're bringing them in here to buy votes, though?

I don't.

I'm not the most interesting one. Right.

I'm not convinced by that.

Well, Nancy Pelosi was on Bill Maher, and she was talking about providing a path for them to all be citizens. And that's what she wants to do. Make them document it. Document them.

Aren't a lot of people from these countries conservative, though?

Well, it depends on which countries. From Cuba, for sure.

There's definitely people who are also conservative.

But the thing is, most people look out for their best interest and you can buy them. I mean, if you're the party that let them through and gave them money and allowed them to establish a foothold in America, and now their families here, and they're doing much better. Well, you would definitely vote Democrat because they're the people that hooked you up. That just seems like a natural human incentive without even having to bribe them to do it. If you're giving them loans and helping them get houses and making it so they can vote and giving them a clear path to citizenship, that seems like if I came here from Guatemala and I didn't know a lot about our political system and the people that hooked me up, I'd stick with them. So you probably are going to get a higher percentage of those people that if you can ever do this and create a path where these people who are illegal immigrants and enter into the country illegally can get a quick path to, you would have a lot more voters.

A lot.

You'd have a lot. I mean, it doesn't seem, it sounds crazy to say, but it doesn't seem crazy to try. If you're trying to figure out a way that you can win and win in the future, like almost every time, wouldn't you, like, just bring in voters?

I mean, I've heard, I've obviously heard the argument before. I'm not sue. I'm just not, I'm not super convinced by it. I think that there's many other things that play into it, but in general, my problem is with the extremely large welfare state in general and where the money goes and how bad the government is at spending money.

Yeah.

I mean, because it's, it's also same thing as California's in New York. I mean, there's been so much money spent. Wasn't Bloomberg or, excuse me, de Blasio's wife that was in charge of, like, the homeless mental health initiative.

You weren't there missing a bunch of money.

It's like, I'm sitting there, I used to live in Hudson yards, and my husband and I are sitting in this. We've since moved, but we're sitting there. We were looking down in the park watching, like, some dude get a blowjob from, you know, some crackhead blowing someone else. And it's like, I feel like there's a lot still going on here with this mental, where's my money all going in general? And I feel like with, you know, immigration, I think also the two sides, there's a lot of incentives that people get from politically.

Yeah.

You know, think about the dreamers.

Labor. Here's the thing about cheap labor, and this is what Tim Dillon's been saying. He said he's like, he thinks they're bringing in cheap illegal labor. And that's why construction businesses, like, if you kicked out all the illegal immigrants, he was like, a lot of construction businesses, they'd be fucked. And he said, there's a lot of people that don't want those jobs anymore, and they're sneaking in people to fill those jobs. He thinks that's part of it, and that makes sense. But did you ever see that documentary wild, wild country? It's fucking great. It's on Netflix. And it's all about this cult that put together this compound in, like, the Pacific Northwest. One of the things they did is they brought in homeless people by the busses. They found all these homeless people. You can be a part of our community. And these homeless people get there like, wow, finally I belong. These people were all psyched. They belong to this community. And then they voted. So they took over the whole town by bussing in voters. So they brought in these votes. They just grabbed homeless people from everywhere and they integrated into the community.

That's the south part.

They had them vote, but they really didn't. Yeah, they had, this is like in the eighties or nineties. So they had them vote. What year was that? What year did that take place? It might be the two thousands. Anyway, had them vote. And then once they took over the town, they kicked all the homeless people out. Get the fuck out of here. And the homeless people. I thought you loved me. I thought it was a part of the team. And these people, like, for once in their life, they had direction, they had meaning. They were part of a community. They're trying to get off the dope. They're feeling better about themselves chanting and really believing all this thing these people are talking about. And they really just used them.

They're political pawns. Yeah, well, it's the same thing as. Remember how the dream act, the dreamers, was, like, such a big deal when Trump said he was going to remove their protections and. But then, okay, so why have they not been protected now? So why has there been no bill if everybody cares so much? People, they don't care. That's like, that's like my overarching belief is it's just that politics, they just don't care about you. That makes people fight in their real life with people on the behalf of people who that don't even care you exist.

They can't. They can't care. There's too many people. I mean, just imagine wanting that job, first of all.

No, I can't.

And then imagine, like, the stress of, how is Trump doing it at 78 years old? Like, how is he dealing with the stress of doing this. No, like, and he's doing podcasts and it's like, what the fuck, man?

He's on a podcast with Theo. He was amazing.

Yeah, did one with Lex yesterday. So it's just like, how do you have the energy to keep that fuck that job?

I would never.

And how can you can care as much as you want about. You could try to care, but there's so many things to care about.

Yeah.

There's so much going on and everything's a fucking fire. Everything's on fire. The economy's on fire. International relations on fire.

The economy. I went, I mean, I went and got two coffees and two shitty egg sandwiches with my husband the other day. Shitty ones. You know, the ones that are pre made and you just heat them in the heat. It was over $60.

What?

Yeah.

Is that New York City?

Yeah.

Fucking get out of there. Why do you. Why are they doing that work?

And that's it.

Why they both. Is fox stupid, I think. Move their fucking business to Connecticut.

I'm all, move anywhere. I'm all about it because that's the only reason I'm there.

Yeah.

Go somewhere else and I don't go out. Right. I guess it's fun if, like, you're. Yeah, but when I was there and I was young, I was poor, so I never really got. Now I'm married and pregnant, so I'm not really going out. Right. I'm going home and to work.

And you can't even live in Long island because it's too hard to get over that.

Too hard to get over that. We're making. That is, we're still renting and I'm making that decision. Like, do we like, buy a house somewhere? But then I'm in Jersey. But then you get.

Takes you hour to get.

Exactly.

If you leave at six in the morning. Exactly one of those deals.

Yeah. Which is worse.

It's. It's hard. And if you want to do stand up, God damn it, you kind of have to be in the city. Like, it's so hard to do set unless you're single and free. Like, when I lived in New Rochelle, I lived in New Rochelle because I couldn't afford to live in the city at the time. And I was doing a lot of road gigs. I needed a car, I needed a parking spot. And if I lived in the city, a parking spot was like $500 a month or something like, that was crazy.

Yeah.

Half of my rent for a spot to put my car. I had to have a fucking car. So I used to have to drive in the city to go and do spots. So I'd do spots in the city. I'd have to pay to park. I'd always lose money. I never made any money. If I lived in the city and just hopped around the subway and took cabs, I could have made a living doing stand up in the city. But I had to do road gigs in order to just make a living. Just to be able to do sets in the city.

Yeah, no, and I've just started going, you know, getting into going back up just around the city again, just like, oh, what am I doing this weekend? Hey, can I get a spot at this place? Because I've quit stand up three times now. I'm back at it. It's. You can't really ever quit it.

I feel like some people can. I mean, I think I could quit it if I, you know, I quit.

It during COVID I thought I could.

I quit it during COVID for, like, eight months, and I was thinking why I was quitting it while, you know, I was like, who knows if this is ever gonna happen again? I was thinking, I'm okay. Like, I love it. I really love stand up. It's fun. I love comedian. Like, Stanhope said it best. He's like, I could quit comedy, but I. I couldn't quit comedians.

Yeah.

Which is, like, totally right. It's like, the hang is, like, it's too. They're too fun to hang with. They're too fun to be silly with. Everyone knows there's no boundaries. Everyone's being hilarious. Everyone. Like, last night, we were in the green room, and Brian Simpson came up with this new bit, and everybody's, like, giving it. Like, he said this thing. It was really fun. I go, dude, that's a bit. He's like, you think so? I'm like, fuck, yeah. And then he hit it with another tagline, and then somebody else jumped in. Then he had another tagline. Like, he created this bit right in.

Front of you, and it was like.

Oh, I can't wait to go on stage and tell that. I was like, oh. Like those kind of moments. Those are the most fun moments, and I think only comics are gonna appreciate that. You know, no one else is gonna understand what even just happened. That guy just has a bit. There's not only just a bit, but it's a root of what's gonna be a real chunk of material. Like, he's just started off with this hilarious premise that has a few really good tactics, and then four months from now, that's gonna probably be a closing bit.

Right?

It's like one of those deals. It's like, I can't stop hanging out with those people. It's too fun.

Oh, it's too fun. But, I mean, for me, I quit a few times, and I quit most recently also during COVID And then when I wrote the first book, I started doing a live show with in their slides involved, but every slide has a punchline. And then next thing you know, I'm going up around the city now doing just, like, stand up as well, in addition to my live shows. But now it's pretty much. I'm gonna have no time to just do my. My shows. And then gut felled five days a week. And the baby. God, growing the baby do need speed. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. But it's, you know, they don't let you. Well, they do. They fact that they would let me take it. I was like, yeah, fuck that. Because then if there was ever anything wrong with the baby, right, I'd be like, that was my fault. Right?

Right.

That was my fault for taking amphetamines during my pregnancy.

Yeah. Yeah, fuck that.

So I thought it'd be. Honestly, I thought when I. I thought I'd be more scared of having kids. And I am scared. I have no. What I'm doing, but I've also just been, like, too tired.

Yeah.

Which is kind of nice.

Right? That probably, like, eases some of the anxiety. You need a nap.

Yeah, exactly.

Once you have the baby, then you're gonna need a lot of naps.

Yeah.

Baby brain is real. In the beginning, you think you're, like, out of it now when you don't get any sleep and the baby's up, and then you gotta, like, take turns. Like, you. You're. You're gonna be, like, sleep deprived for several months.

Yeah, at least. At least.

At least.

I mean, it's crazy. Cause only recently have I accepted that this baby's gonna, like, live in my apartment. You know what I mean?

I bet you're gonna wanna get out of there.

Yeah, I'm sure.

Yeah. You're gonna wanna get a house. You're gonna wanna be somewhere safer and quieter.

Somewhere with. Outside.

Yeah. Somewhere where your kid can play.

Yeah. Baby can't play on the balcony.

It's just. I just, you know, I have friends who raised their whole families in New York City. Like, kids from baby all the way to grown up. Those kids are different. They're little assassins.

I worried I don't want to have to explain to my toddler dude, like, jerking off on a street corner with a needle in his arm.

They know too much.

I don't want to have to. I mean, the stuff that you see, just. It's not as bad as it was during COVID It was crazy. People were shooting up all over the place. Not as bad, but still, I mean.

Remember when people were using the streets as, like, racetracks? I was crashing cars because there was no one on the streets. So people were going like 150 miles an hour down Broadway.

There was. When I lived in Hudson yards, also during COVID there was a dude out of chick bent over a car, fucking her in the daytime. In the daytime. And he was like, howling. He was like, wow. And I was. And I'm looking around and there's nobody. Nobody's doing anything.

You know, what do you want them to do?

No, right? Like, nobody wants to be in the splash zone. Nobody wants to go anywhere near any of them.

All the terrible things that are going on, is that that bad? You know, I mean, they're not doing anything when someone smashes windows and steals clothes.

And I would be upset if that were my car when de Blasio lit the.

Those people have those smash and grabs and was telling them to get it out of their system. Remember that? Yeah, that was the strategy. Just let the riots burn themselves out and don't arrest anybody. Like, what are you fucking doing?

Well, no personal property. That's some communist shit, too.

It was crazy. It was just. It didn't make any sense. It was all failed leftist philosophies from, like, the 1960s that nobody really believes in, in practice. And they're. They've now never worked. You can't just let people fucking smash and grab things. You're going to destroy the fabric of society. You're going to. So many people are going to be indoctrinated into looting and stealing that maybe have never done that before. If you have these mass groups. If you have these mass groups of people that break into a mall and 200 people, how many of those people have ever done anything like that before? Probably a lot haven't. And now all of a sudden they have. And they do it multiple times. Then it becomes a normalized thing.

Yeah.

It realizes, nope, you've. You've created a real fucking problem.

Well, you feel dumb for not stealing at a certain point. You know, it's like, why am I still paying for this shit? But you can't. I can't buy anything at a store. I have to get, like, essentials toiletries type shit. You have to just get it online. You can't go to a store in New York. It's all. There's no one working there. There's a few employees. You got to press a button every time you need something. Everything's locked up.

Bert Chrysler went viral today because I think Breitbart put a video of his because he went through a rite Aid.

I saw someone commenting on that, though, that rite Aid is going out of business, and that store is, like, one.

Of the ones that's closing, where people gonna get their amphetamines.

Right. But you know why they're going out of business? Because they got looted. Everything's locked up. I see what you're saying, but it doesn't make sense that they're going out of business. So they locked up everything.

No, no.

They locked up everything because people were stealing like crazy, because they passed a fucking law where anything under $900 or whatever it was, they weren't allowed to arrest you. So people just run in and throw deodorant and fucking hair, too.

Everything.

Throw everything in a bag and walk right out the door, and no one could do a goddamn thing about it. Video showing deserted rite AIDS bare shelves after bankruptcy goes viral. Is this Burt?

Yeah.

Look at Burt. Went viral. Burt's so happy. He's never gonna stop doing this now. He's gonna go everywhere I wanna go.

Everywhere.

Right there is Burt Kreischer, who showcased the empty shelves incorrectly, attributing them to theft. Incorrectly. First of all, it's the reason why they're locked up. Go show the video.

So is this.

Show the video because the. You want me to send it to you? You got it right here. Okay. Because saying. Saying that. That's. That's kooky to say. That's really kooky to say. Falsely attributed, then the theft.

Or is this one maybe. Look at this. There's our deodorants.

Look, everything's locked up but that.

This is empty. This. So this is probably is going out of business. And I guess Steve's just come in.

And take whatever's expensive and just.

But I think this is going out of business because it's not locked up.

Yeah, this is. This is incorrect. This is classic. So I thought these were locks. Locked boxes. You coming? Okay. Where's wrong? But he's not wrong, because the reason why they go down a business is because they've been looted. So, like, they. They've abandoned several major cities. Right? They've moved out. Like, a lot of businesses have moved out of San Francisco. A lot of businesses moved out LA for a very specific reason. Because of these loot.

Yeah.

Like, this is real. Like, what, what comes. What companies have pulled stores because of the after effect of looting? Let's find out. Yeah, I mean, I know they have an oakland. I think they have in San Francisco. Let's Google drug stores. What drug stores have pulled out of San Francisco? I think it's Walgreens wall. So what's the difference in Walmart and Walgreens?

I mean, Walgreens drug store.

Walmart is the big place that had. But they have drugs there, too.

Yeah, but they don't have a pharmacy.

They can hang in there.

Yeah, they. They're an institution in many places.

Close around 900 stores during the next three years. 9% of them. Or wait, it then closed six in San Francisco, including five throughout downtown and one on Venice Avenue.

Yeah. Drugstores. Drugstores used to be like the most profitable fucking business you could own.

Yeah.

And now they're like, we're just getting robbed.

Yeah, well, I mean, I.

So bird's kind of right. He's not right. Why those shelves are empty at that moment. Because they're going out of business. But that's why they're going out of business.

Well, those would be locked up.

Old Navy to Nordstrom. Half of the retailers fleeing downtown San Francisco.

Well, because brick and mortar wasn't doing that well to begin with. Because people are buying shit online.

Right.

And then you just let people go. People were going to store because you can steal it.

They want society to collapse. Like allowing stuff like that and not making corrections measures to make these retailers feel comfortable. So they stay in your community without doing anything to save them and letting them pull out and not making any corrective measures is so nuts.

Yeah, it is nuts, but nothing's changed. I mean, I can't. New York's stuff has been locked up forever now. Right.

But this is a new thing is what I'm saying. Yeah. This didn't exist in the year 2000. You never saw this. So in the last 24 years, all of a sudden it's become a thing that people are looting stores on the regular basis to the point where they have to move out of cities because there's no correction in the way they enforce the laws.

Well, it's also not going to change. Right. Like New York. It's not going to have. A Republican's not going to win New York.

They might. It could get sideways enough where a Republican, a Rudy Giuliani type character, can get in there. That depends on how much they have the system rigged. But I think there's a real possibility that someone could reach or some conservative Democrat, you know, some.

Yeah, like a law and order Democrat.

That's probably. Yeah, you could have one of those. But it's gonna have to. People are just gonna have to get fed up. And the problem is, if they don't get fed up and they keep voting for the same thing like they seem to do in California and a lot of other places, they're never gonna change. It's just gonna keep getting worse. And I don't understand that. It's like, how much do you love your ideology where you don't realize that they're fucking your life up?

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's because I think. I mean, I just have no hope. I don't think that. I don't think it's gonna get any better. I don't know. I mean, you have hope.

Yeah, I do. I have faith in people. I really do. I think we come really close to fucking up a lot and we pull ourselves out of the ashes. And I think there's been, if you just follow the course of our society over the last hundred years, there's been a lot of ups and downs. There was prohibition, there was World War one, World War two, Vietnam. There's a lot of things where it looked like society was over Kent state. Oh, my God. What's going on? Martin Luther King gets shot. JFK gets shot. There was a lot of like terrible moments. And then things got better. And then things, you know, it's always, if you look on a chart, there's always, generally speaking, over time, there's less crime, less problems. The economy does a little bit better. Everybody. Cost of living changes. Like, the way you live your life improves overall generally. I think if you look at like 1000 years to today, it's obvious there's a clear path. It's just like, gotta make sure that whatever dip we're in right now, we correct.

Yeah, I mean, I have all the.

Things that we're doing wrong. It doesn't mean you can't do all the good things that, like, progressive people want to do in terms of like, funding education and helping people get over drug addiction and homelessness. All those things should be funded. Like, it's a good idea to have more healthy, happy people in our society. But also, you can't rob the store.

You can't, you can't.

You shouldn't just be able to sneak in across the border. Cause terrorists are a real thing.

You can't, you can't rob a store. And then also just with letting people, I mean, violent criminals out is another thing where it's like, dude, nobody wants this.

It's crazy.

Nobody wants this person who's convicted, you know, has this violent, violent history to be out on the streets except really.

Super progressive Das who think that the criminal justice system is inherently racist.

I think there's plenty of things wrong with the criminal justice system. Let people out, go to prison for drugs. I think drugs should be legal. I think all drugs should be legal. I think for sure. But I think that that's different than saying crimes with people who've committed crimes with victims should be allowed to go accrue more victims.

Right. The thing about drugs is already illegal. So if drugs were legal, all the negative aspects of drugs other than addiction and overdose are already illegal. People that do meth and break into a house because they need money for more meth, like that's already illegal. You're not supposed to do that.

Exactly.

And the problem with drugs being illegal is the same problem they have with prohibition during the, you know, the 19, whatever it was, thirties in this country. What year was it when alcohol. Weird. It was like seven or eight years. Right? Where alcohol was illegal.

I think it was in the twenties mostly.

But what year did it end? It ended a couple of years before they made marijuana illegal, which is hilarious because it's a complete shift. They literally took the people that were chasing alcohol, they chased him after marijuana. 1920. So 13 years.

Yeah, that's nuts.

13 years.

People were still boozing. Of course they're just dying.

But it also, my point was that it pumped up organized crime and Al Capone got rich. And all these people got rich. They're bootleggers, moonshiners. Well that's the, that's where NASCAr comes from.

Yeah, that's the main reason why a lot of people point to, you know, look at this place where it's decriminalized. It didn't work. It's like, well, that's decriminalized, not legalized. A and you know, to have all these other things too.

But a lot of the places, look, it didn't work in Portland where they criminalized because Portland was already in fucked up shit.

A lot of it. Yes, exactly.

Portland needed rule. They needed Jesus. Jesus should have come to Portland and sorted that place out. But instead they got like, just do whatever you want, man. And then of course they're already addicted to drugs, so they're just going to do more drugs. But if you look at what they did with Portugal, that had a profound effect. You look at there's countries that have decriminalized drugs, and it's been very beneficial, but you're always still buying them from criminals because even when it's decriminalized, it's not legal to sell them and profit from them. But it is legal to sell Adderall. It's like we're in a screwball, fucked up world where we have things that we've accepted as being okay just because their grandfather did it.

So fucked up.

And then other things, like weed, which is the best example, but other things, like psychedelics. Like psychedelics.

So many benefits to psychedelics and also just so many comparative to alcohol and what that does to people versus not really benefits, if any. But you can be like, I get fucked up and drink, whatever, that's all fine, it's everywhere. But. But psychedelics are. You can go to jail, it's all.

Dumb, and it doesn't make any sense if you don't want to prop up the organized crime, because there's a reason why the cartel's worth billions and billions and billions of dollars. It's because of us. Because we have drugs that are illegal, and they bring the drugs over and sell it to us, and that's how they make money. You don't want to fix that, just say it. Just say it. Because if you want to fix it, there's only one way to do it. And the one way to do it is to regulate it in house, like make it. Make it in America, regulate it in America, and then use a responsible portion of that for treatment. A lot of that treatment, which should include psychedelics. So if you want to make things legal and then set up ibogaine clinics everywhere.

Absolutely.

I bet you would get a lot of clean people that would ordinarily have a problem. But I bet Kat would still be taking nicotine, doing speech.

I still. I mean, I still like nicotine and amphetamines, but I think especially with. With, you know, with veterans mental health. But just really for anybody who wants to do it, even for fun, I think it should be allowed.

But I mean, victims of violent crime, there's a lot of people that have had profound release and just something that allows them to move on past the death of a loved one. There's certain people that get devastated by things, and psychedelics have helped them in tremendous ways. And they just denied. The FDA just denied. Maps has run this long term study on MDMA. MDMA. And now they have to go through more studies. And it's very unfortunate because people have benefited tremendously from that kind of therapy.

Yeah. And I mean, if you look at, with veterans, it's like you send them over to these wars and, you know, a lot of people don't come back normal from that, which, how could you expect them to come back normal? And people love to say, support the troops. Support the troops. They don't think about what that really means. And it's because it can look a little uglier, a little more complicated than just, you know, saying that or wearing like a flag pin on your suit. And I think in general, when it comes to mental health, we've never, like, talked about mental health more, but people are struggling because we have such little leeway for people who are going through a mental health crisis. If you make a mistake, that mistake defines you.

Well, there's not just that. There's so limited resources in terms of how to deal with your mental health problem if you're not allowing people to use psychedelics and you're deciding, and most of the people that are deciding are also people that haven't experienced psychedelics.

Right.

Which is really crazy. Yes, it's really crazy.

Well, that's the government. They're legislating things they don't understand, like literally.

Yeah. Especially in this regard.

Absolutely. I completely agree.

If you really wanted to help the troops, you would give them a access to that stuff because there's been a lot of people that have had tremendous results. So I'm saying it's going to work for everybody. It's not a cure all, it's not a panacea, but it's a tool. It's a tool in the toolbox. And we need a lot of tools. There's a lot of people out there that are hurting.

Oh, yeah, help them. Oh, yeah. A huge, huge supporter of that.

The world argue about this in 2024. I know with all the information that we have now on the Internet and all the people that have had to go to Costa Rica and have these retreats and come back and be cured of opiate addiction and all these problems that they've had, and we're still like, more tests, more tests, but here's some fentanyl. More tests. But here, take your oxies. More tests. But you need speed.

You should be able to make that choice. And I mean, it's. Psychedelics are just a huge, huge benefit. I mean, I'm a huge believer in that, actually.

Well, I'm a believer in freedom.

Yes.

And I'm a big believer in a person. A human being should not be able to tell another human being what they can and cannot do with their life and their body if it doesn't hurt anybody else.

Exactly.

And in my mind, psychedelics fall into that area, and if there's no benefit, no objective benefit, then why are all these people enthusiasts? Why are all these people doing it? Why are all these people talking about profound experiences and how much it's benefited them and the people that are saying that you can't do it? Have you done it? Do you know what the fuck you're talking about? And if you don't, probably you shouldn't be the one deciding on this.

Yeah, absolutely.

You should let people decide. The more freedom you have, the better it is for everybody. But, you know, they're worried about the whole system getting like 1960 again. You know, like tune in, turn on, drop out, all that crazy shit that was going on when people became flower children.

Yes. But also, so what?

Yeah, I. Homelessness better. If you had 100,000 hippies in LA, just, like, selling flowers in the street, would that be worse?

Yeah, I think that psychedelic, I mean, psychedelics, I think, can be beneficial for people who have trauma, but also for just anybody. If you want to be able to experience that, then you should be free to experience that.

Yeah. And if it was legal, you'd be able to find out who can and cannot take it.

Yes.

Because there's some people, they got a screw loose and something goes and, you know, they eat mushrooms and also they, you know, they think they can fly. Like, people get a little nutty and certain people don't come back, especially acid. I've heard some acid stories.

Yeah.

Didn't come back.

Yeah, but, I mean, of course, but you hear stories about everything, but you.

Don'T know until you run studies, until you. When things are legal and you allow people to run these studies and you come up with effective dosages, you find out what people are allergic to. What's this chemical reaction that people have? Maybe certain medications that you shouldn't cross with it.

Right. Yeah, but, yeah, like, to your point, it's like you never heard a story about someone doing alcohol and it going badly or someone doing pharmaceuticals and it going badly. If you want. I mean, I think that. I mean, what a huge tool to be able to diminish the ego in a person and what an amazing, life changing thing that can be. And to say you can't do that because I said so. It's crazy. To an adult.

To an adult. And the person who's telling you is uninformed.

Mm hmm. They've never tried it. They don't know what they're talking about.

And there's no real. There's no real rational. If you. If you could just have a conversation with a person, not like a debate, not in front of Congress like this, just you and me, for hours. Let's just sit down for hours, and you tell me why you think that psychedelics should be prohibited for all adults. You tell me why, and I'm gonna tell you why I think they should. Then I'm gonna ask you some questions. Well, what do you think they do? And then you would get a sense over the course of a couple of hours talking to this person. This person has no fucking business telling people what they can and can't take. They're just bureaucrats. They're just bureaucrats. And they know that there's a certain. There's a certain amount of people that are going to. It's going to benefit them to vote in a certain way and state a certain opinion, and there's a certain amount of vested interests, a certain amount of special interest groups that would like them to continue to vote in a very specific way. And that's. That's their God. That's who they. That's who they go with.

Yeah.

It's nothing to do with what's good for everybody.

No, no. And people just. It's. They just have this framework of, like, well, that's. That's a crazy thing. That's bad. Drugs are bad. Those are bad. I can't. You. That's crazy. Can't do that. And then people who have had experience with them might feel differently, but that doesn't matter.

It's a sign of a sick society.

Because then the people who have experience with them are people who do drugs. Yeah.

Right. And those people never want to be president. Isn't it ironic? You'd want the president to like to.

Do mushrooms, something a little bit.

Some sort of a psychedelic experience one time, to just connect with God real quick, come back and go, okay. Yeah, I think we could do better.

You know, I think it would be better if more politicians did mushrooms.

It probably would, but you'd probably get less politicians. They'd probably just quit. They'd be like, I don't want to do this job.

Yeah.

You know, I mean, to be. To be able to person who could just gaslight 250 million people on a regular basis, like, you have to be out of your mind. Like, you have to be really a crazy person. To stand in front of people and lie about the economy and lie about job numbers and lie about this and lie about that. Like, that's the most unsychedelic perspective ever.

Yeah.

What's the most unpsychedelic job? I would say White House press secretary.

Yes. You're a professional bullshit artist. Yeah, exactly.

You're just soothing everything over and making everything seem normal and making it seem like they've done an amazing job and.

Everything'S under control for the sake of just this. Upholding the system.

Yeah.

And it's just psychedelics make you think, you know, they make you realize also that you're gonna die in a good way.

Right.

Because the things you worry about in your life feel a little bit less ridiculous when you are more familiar with your mortality. Like, oh, we're kind of just all here people, and we're ape. You're able to do things to your consciousness to see things differently.

Right.

So that, that just makes you view things differently. And I think that what's healthier than that? And like you said, it's not for everybody. There's people who definitely, they can't do it. Things can go badly.

Regular life is too fucked for them. There's people that regular reality is too slippery. They shouldn't be doing anything. Those people need some other kind of help, and I don't know what that help is. I'm not a psychiatrist, but I do know that for a lot of people, they're beneficial. You know, I know a lot of people shouldn't drink, but alcohol is legal and, you know, and all these things are things that we need to learn. And the only way we learn them is if we have access to them.

Yeah.

We know what the real benefits actually are and what the real risks actually are. We know what the real risks of Jack Daniels are. It's like there's a long history, people drinking themselves to death.

To death, yeah. And not only that, but killing other people.

Yeah.

Like getting behind the wheel drive, but also getting violence.

Oh, yeah.

Getting, I mean, just alcohol.

Just getting beat up in the street because you're fucking drunk and you mouth off to somebody.

Yeah.

Now you're in the hospital with a broken skull. Like, there's so many detrimental side effects to alcohol. But yet no one is saying we should make alcohol illegal.

No.

Could you imagine if that was their next pitch?

Yeah.

And we need to bring it back. Are you talking about. But if they say it with weed.

Everybody'S like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's the way safer drug. It's way safer. Yeah, way safer. Way. It makes everybody a lot more peaceful. It's way less violent.

You also don't hear people waxing poetic. I mean, myself included. I'm not gonna stay here and be like, well, what alcohol can do is all these, really? I mean, can it be fun to get drunk sometimes? Yeah, I guess, but it's like, the next day, I'm never like, man, I'm so glad that I drank all that booze. That really just opened my eyes to like, no, it's no.

Well, how? Call's the perfect example of no biological free lunch.

Yeah.

Cause that rush, that fun time you feel when you're lit. Like, woo. And your song comes on.

Yeah.

And everybody's like, fuck, yeah. Yeah. The next day.

Let's fucking go.

Oh, the sun is killing my fucking head. All the shades.

For me, it's the emotional. Like, everybody hates me. Everybody. It's the opposite of what psychedelics can do. You're like, it gives you some perspective on the world and your place in the world, and then alcohol puts the next morning. It's the opposite of that. It's like everyone. The world revolves around how mad it all is at me.

Right.

You know?

Like, what did I do?

What did I do?

You think about some loud, stupid shit you said?

Oh, I'm like, why did I do that? I'll tat the texting. I'm like, what did I say? And then you think. And then I think that I am gonna be deposed into court for some shit, and all these messages are gonna be shit that I was saying when I was. To me, it's pretty clear which one. But. But there's only one of them that I could go to jail for doing, right?

You know, it's nuts. It doesn't make any sense. It's also been here before people.

Yeah.

Like, what are we doing? Making nature illegal? It's so stupid. The whole thing is stupid. It's just. And it's stupid. And the fact that we still allow it is so crazy. And no one's. It would have. It sounds trivial to people that don't do it, right. But if you allowed people control of their conscious and to have consciousness and to have these kind of experiences, you'd have a lot more people that are thinking about things in a lot more considerate and careful way. And that's what I think the best benefit of it is.

Yeah.

Even if it's not. Even maybe you're really not contacting God or aliens, whatever it is, but just the benefits of having it. But I think there's a lot of things that can make people more kind and considerate, like, in a very counterintuitive way. I think martial arts do jiu jitsu especially. They're the nicest people I've ever met. My friends from Jiu Jitsu are the nicest fucking people because every day they're trying to kill each other, and they don't have any of that in regular life. There's no chest puffing, there's no douchebaggery. Like, people that are like, the guys that I know that train three, four times a week and are really interested in jiu jitsu, doing it all the time. They're some of the most peaceful, calm, easy going, measured, even when they talk to people in confrontations, very measured, because they're coming from a place of strength. And most men in particular, they come from a place of trying to pretend they have strength in order to, like, intimidate you to get up, to get, like, get you on your back foot, get you on the heels. Like, hey, fuck you, man. Like, that kind of douchey kind of shit is just insecurity, and these guys don't have any of that.

And it's just a healthier, like, I don't think everybody should do jujitsu. It's too hard. Don't do it if you don't.

Probably not for me, but I think.

There'S a lot of things like that in this world. I don't think it's just psychedelics. I think there's multiple yoga plays a big factor in that. I remember I got in a car accident when I was on yoga. When I was on yoga.

I haven't heard of that.

We were doing yoga so much. Me and Ari Shaffir, Burt Kreischer, and Tom Segura. We do the sober October. And every time we do sober October, we have these things that we do where we're like, we'll have a fitness challenge, or you have to do. I think we had 15 yoga classes in the month. So you had to do, like, a yoga class every other day for a month. And I got really into it. I was doing it a lot, and this guy rear ended me on the highway, and I had a really nice car, and he crashed into me, and he was on his phone, he was texting, and he was illegal, and he didn't have a driver's license.

Oh, shit. What a mess.

And I was so calm about it. I was like, you okay? I was like, I'm okay. You okay? And I was like, I'm just gonna take off, you know, I'm just gonna get my car fixed. Took off. Luckily, he didn't wreck my car. He just bent the back. It was a Porsche. It was a 911 GT three. A very nice car. But his car, a little bullshit car, like a little Honda Accord. And when he slammed on the brakes, it basically went under the back of my car and bumped it up in the air, and it stalled out. And his car was pretty fucked up. He couldn't drive off, but I could drive off. So I just drove to the comedy store.

Yeah.

And I was like, okay. Why was I so calm about that? I wasn't even mad at that guy. I was like, he's an illegal alien. Excuse me, immigrant, undocumented, minor, whatever he is. Undocumented immigrant. He's just some dude who came from Mexico.

Right? His dad is having a tough day.

I said, why don't you have a license? I go, he goes, I can't because I'm illegal. I said, okay. I go, but yet you still drive. And he goes, I have to for work. I go, I get it. I get it. But it was like a very con. He said he was sorry. I believed him. It was just a mistake. He fucked up traffic. It slowed, you know, la traffic, like, all of a sudden comes to a screeching halt, and sometimes people aren't ready for it. And I. I really think it was yoga. I think. I didn't even get mad at the guy. I go, all right, take it easy.

I just drove away.

I drove away and I thought about it afterwards. I was like, why can't it be like that with everything? What would help me be like that in every situation, to treat every interaction with people as calm as possible and never really get totally upset by anything. Just. It is what it is. No big deal. And I was like, man, that's probably a great tool just for society. If yoga was a thing that most people did every day in the morning, what impact would that have just in the overall population, how nice people are to each other. It would probably be huge. Probably be huge.

Yeah. I've never. I was raised in a household where yoga was the devil. Really? Yeah, the devil. My mom was really catholic.

Oh.

So, like, it's a bad. I mean, I'm not. I don't know if that's obvious to you that I'm not Catholic. I know, but. Exactly. Yeah. There's something. I don't know.

Can you be stretching for Jesus?

Yeah.

Why don't someone do yoga? Just take the poses and some prayers.

You know, I am not. I am not catholic. I'm not religious at all anymore, which is why I think that I'm always looking for things. Like, I'm always looking for a way to be religious or in some sense spiritual, which I've never done. Ayahuasca. I really want to do ayahuasca. I've done other things that have been beneficial to me, but I'm searching for that thing. I'm searching for that. I want to believe in something greater than myself.

I think that's normal for people.

Right?

I think that's why a lot of atheists, they talk like religious people. They talk about atheism the same way religious people talk about their belief in God, that they absolutely know it's true. It's kind of the same thing. They know there's nothing. I do not believe in goddess, no evidence there's God.

I'm not that. Yeah, I'm just agnostic. I'm kind of like, who am I to say what there is and isn't?

Yeah, I can appreciate that. I think there's something going on yeah, I think there's something going on that we're a part of that is too big for us to grasp.

Yeah.

I think we're like a hand waving over a fucking earthworm, and earthworm has no idea what's going on because I think it's too big. I think just the. The idea of this infinite space that we live in with who knows how many galaxies, and we're on this planet and we're making babies, and you're cooking one up inside your body right now, and you're going on stage and doing stand up, and we're having an election, and we might have a nuclear war. And all this shit is happening all throughout the universe, all over the place, not just here, but probably in an infinite number of planets, everywhere, the whole thing's too big. And for you to say there's no God, God's not real. It's like you have no idea. You have no idea. And by the way, the evidence of there being something that's forcing this in a general direction is overwhelming. There's something that's, whether it's some natural properties, like Brett Weinstein calls it darwinian evolution, that it applies to everything, and things get better and improve and evolve. Yeah, but what is causing that and what made that? What is the overall force behind this whole thing?

What's its goal? It seems to be moving in a general direction all the time. That direction is like constant improvement of life forms of societies, of technology, it's moving in this fucking direction. Like, how do you know it's not God? How do you know it's not the way God works? How do you know the universe isn't God, and this is the way it expresses itself?

Yeah, the craziest, and this is the most normal thing to do, is get pregnant. But it's the craziest trip I've ever had. Like, all I did was have sex. I didn't pick up a license. And now there's gonna be a baby in my apartment.

Wait till you start talking to that baby.

That's what's gonna be crazy. This is gonna be a human that's gonna have opinions, and it's gonna tell me no. Yeah, smoke any fucking six. I smoke no cigs. And now you're trying to tell me no? I'm gonna be like, I should have smoked a pack a day with your ass talking to me like that.

Yeah, but then they'll say, look, I didn't ask to be born.

Yeah, exactly. They're gonna find, make me. Stupid bitch.

You fucking did this. It's your fault.

No matter what, the kids gonna find a way to hate you. Right? Like, that's gonna find, and find a way to. I don't I don't know, but it's, it's the craziest. It's the craziest trip. And I think it's also. That's part of this. I'm always, like, looking for. I'm just, like, looking for meaning. I want there to be something so badly.

Right.

And that's. And I think.

I think we all do. I really do.

I think that's why it's. People like psychedelics. I think that's what I mean. It definitely can make you view the world in a different way.

Yeah.

And then compared to all the other, I mean, the worst drug I ever did was accutane.

Ooh.

It made me want to kill myself.

Yeah.

This was last summer. I mean, I actually was suicidal.

Like, I went off, multiple people in my life had that same, same situation.

The way more dangerous drug for me than shrooms. Accutane.

Yeah. I mean, Andrew Santino, the hilarious comedian, talks about it. He said it was one of the worst experiences.

Really?

Yeah.

Me too.

Yeah.

My brain. I was. I finally decided I was crying on the bathroom floor because I was gonna die, and everyone I know is gonna die.

Oh.

And again, always been true, always mature. My husband found me on the bathroom floor. Cry. And I stopped taking it. And about a month before it worked out of my system, and then I went back to normal. But at that time, I was like, I've lost myself. I'm never gonna be myself again.

Whenever you have a medication and one of the side effects is suicidal ideation, those ones freak me out. Cause they'll just say it real calm. All these people are holding hands and spinning around in a wheat field. Suicidal ideation.

What? Yeah, I experienced that. I experienced my brain being hijacked in a bad way by a drug for zits.

So crazy.

I was like, I'll just. And I was, you know, you can't drink on it. So I was like. I was having these extreme reactions stone cold sober. But I was on the show sometimes, and I would be so depressed, and people would be email. I'm getting emails like, you're, like, acting like a bitch or you're this and that, and it's like, no, no, no. You know, I want to kill myself. I don't think I'm too good for people. I want to kill my. And it's just scary. It was very scary.

Well, I'm glad you got off it.

Yes, I'm off. Accused. That one I'm never doing again.

Yeah, that one's catchy. Cat, I really enjoyed talking to you.

I really enjoyed talking to.

Let's do this again.

Yeah.

Tell everybody about your book one more time, please.

It's called.

I used a copy of it here.

I have it outside. I left all my shit outside.

No worries.

It's called I used to like you until. It's called I used to like you until. And it is all about how one single thing should not be enough to write another person off. It's about independent thinking. It's about connection. And I spill a lot of tea on myself in the book because. So the point. I'm naked on the COVID My body looks nothing like this anymore, but covered in hate mail with the idea of, like, vulnerability in the face of overwhelming hatred.

That's great.

So I. You know, I had the idea of.

And you read it, too.

I did read the idea.

Fantastic. I'm so happy you did that.

Yeah.

You have to.

I have a very distinctive voice.

Well, also, it's like, God, it's not that hard, folks. Do it.

I'm talking about a lot of very personal things in the book.

I wouldn't want actor.

No.

Talking about, he's a man. She gets some old man to do your voice.

A british guy.

Our first period.

Don't worry, that's not in the book.

Well, thank you, kath. Thank you very much. Okay, bye, everybody.