Hey, it's your friend Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robbins podcast. Every once in a while, you need someone to roll on up beside you, tap you on the shoulder, and remind you that there is so much untapped potential inside of you. I don't think you even realize what you're capable of. I'm going to start off by dedicating this episode to you and to the potential that is lying dormant inside of you, because that's going to end today. We're going to tap into that potential. Look, if you're already at a point in your life, you're like, I have achieved so much success, Mel. I surprised myself. That's how I feel about myself. Guess what? This conversation It's still going to ignite a breakthrough because regardless of what you've accomplished, you have not reached what you're capable of yet, neither have I. Or if you're listening right now and you're like, I feel blah, unmotivated and unproductive. Boy, I have I've been there so many times in my life? I have been so sick of my excuses, but I had no idea what to do about it. Here's the thing. After today, you are going to know what to do about it because you already know that you have this extraordinary potential.

That's why you're frustrated. The issue is that you don't know how to unleash it. Well, that's going to change today because one of the world's most respected researchers and professors at NYU is in the house today You will leave this conversation with a three-step roadmap that makes leveling up your life easier than you think. Hey, it's your friend Mel. I cannot wait to jump into this conversation because you're going to learn how to have a breakthrough based on research. I'm talking a breakthrough on all different kinds of level. Whether you're trying to have a breakthrough because you want to level up an already successful life, or maybe you need a breakthrough on a creative project, you're just sick of the writer's block, or you just need a breakthrough in every aspect of your life because it's like, you feel blah, or unmotivated, or unproductive, well Guess what? Class is in session. You're going to love learning from NYU's Professor Adam Alter. Let me tell you a little bit about the professor of your potential. He is a renowned researcher and at NYU's Stern School of Business and the Robert Stansky Teaching Excellence Faculty Fellow. He received his PhD in psychology from Princeton University, where he also completed two fellowships.

He is the author of three New York Times bestsellers, including the one that we are going to unpack today. That one's called The Anatomy of a Breakthrough. I cannot wait for you to get the roadmap to unleashing your full potential. One of the best ways, by the way, that you can Can not only tap into your potential, but also support the people that you love, is by sharing this roadmap and Dr. Alter's research and this episode with them, too. I'm sure when we're talking about feeling a little stuck or tapping into your potential, there's probably Somebody who comes to mind right now where you're like, You need to wrap it up. You're capable a little bit more. How about you let Professor Alter remind them that you are capable of so much more, and it's time to follow his research-back, three-step plan to to level up your life. All righty. Please help me welcome the incredible Dr. Adam Alter to the Mel Robbins podcast. Thank you for having me. I'm ready to have a breakthrough.

Good. I'm ready to help you have a breakthrough.

Okay, great. You have just spent all this time researching the anatomy of a breakthrough, and so there's actually a whole process that you can break down for us?

Yeah. I think the problem with being stuck is it feels very personal, it feels very uncomfortable, and it feels like it's a bit of a mess. And that's the way people describe it when they have it, when they feel it. But the whole point of this book was to say there is a roadmap, and if you follow the steps, you will get unstuck. It's just that most of us don't know what those steps are. That's what the book is designed to do.

Where the hell have you been my whole life? Crying out loud. I want you to start before we get to the roadmap, talking directly to the person who is listening to this. They're either listening for themselves because they're going through this moment in life for They're like, or just blah, or they're feeling stuck, or they're listening, and someone in their life that they love is really stuck. What can they expect to learn from you today, and how might their life change based on really learning this research about the anatomy of a breakthrough?

Yeah. So the first thing to understand is that getting stuck and being stuck is universal. It's part of what it is to be human. And that's liberating for a lot people because it feels like this very personal affront. You don't recognize how many other people around you are stuck, but it turns out we're all stuck in some respect. That's the first thing to understand. The second thing to understand is that there are actually things you can do systematically, one after another, to get unstuck. It may feel like a mess. It's complicated. It's hard to understand how you can get through it. But in many, many cases, there is a path through, and I'm going to try to share some ideas about how we can get from being stuck to making progress to hitting breakthroughs.

So Dr. Alta, let's talk about what the word stuck even means. So when we throw that word around, I feel stuck, I am stuck, I'm stuck in life, I'm stuck in this job. As a researcher, what do you want us to think about when we hear the word stuck or what it actually means or feels like?

Yeah, I think there are two kinds of stuck. There's the one where you say, I want to be at point Z and I'm in point A and I need to figure out the path from A to Z that's as short as possible. The destination is obvious. I've got a goal. There's something specific I need to reach. It might be a job-related goal, it might be a relationship, whatever it is.

Might be like, I want to get my nursing the emotion of stuckness had a place to go. Once it was on a piece of paper, he basically was like, Everything on that list is now a project. You either need to remove it from your life and work, or you need what doesn't work. Actually, you appreciate what works more when you've seen and tasted what doesn't.I'll give you an For example, this podcast is something that I thought about for probably seven years, and it haunted me. You want to talk about stuck and feeling like you're not tapping into your potential. There's this thing you want to do and you're not doing it, you're not doing it. I was fully in that mode of the emotion around it, the excuses around it. It really made me miserable. It also showed up, by the way, when I did that friction list. If I think back, it probably would have been three or more years ago, I made one of those friction lists, which I do all the time now, and right on it was, I haven't started the podcast yet. The fact that it showed up on the list meant to me that this was an area of my life, an area of potential that I needed to do something about. I didn't start the podcast that day. I made a decision that I was going to start working on it. In your words, I turned it into an experiment. It's interesting to point out, I think it's really important for you as you listen and are a fan of this podcast to know that I didn't even really, quote, do anything for a year.I would wake up every day and I would take 15 minutes of action a day. The first day, the action was I made a decision I was going to launch a podcast in a year or two. The next day, I simply made a list of podcasts I was going to listen to. That's it. The next day, I listened to a podcast for a little bit of time. The next day, I did a Google search and I learned the equipment that people use for podcasts. It just went on and on and on. For an entire year, I would say that I was so busy almost doing a research project and becoming a student of the thing that I was interested in Before I even did any of the actual steps of, I guess, recording an episode or figuring out what the audio editing software was and simply researching podcasts, simply becoming a student of it, every single day when I did something, knowing that it was leading toward this bigger thing, it got me moving. I didn't feel stuck again. And that was years before the podcast actually launched.That's a great, minimally viable action.Tomas When you think about the role of failure, because everyone's so terrified of failing at this. How do you reframe the way you think about failure to help yourself get unstuck and be successful?Yeah. So very few failures are the be all and end all. It's all about framing and how you think about a failure. Very few failures mean you can never do this thing again. Usually, they open up other options, opportunities, a second attempt at the same thing. And so the first thing is to accept that and to recognize that failure is inevitable. It's going to happen as you get better, as you challenge yourself. But usually that's not irrevocable. It's not the end of the world. You can move forward. So that's, I think, the first very useful thing. The other thing is to figure out what to take away from that failure. So there are good failures and bad failures. Bad failure is where you fail, you have no You have no idea why, and it doesn't help you move forward and you feel dejected. You don't feel good about it. Good failure is saying, I've learned something. Here is what I've learned. This part of what I did actually worked quite well. Here is where I got close. Here's where I fell short. It may even be a case of learning through that failure that this is not something you should be doing, and you can quit.You can move on to something else. There's nothing wrong with doing that. There are a billion things we could be doing without time. And if failure is teaching you something about what you shouldn't be doing, that's also valuable. So essentially the question that differentiates good failure from bad failure is, have I learned what the next thing should be from this failure? And if the answer is yes, then it's good. It helps you.It wasn't a failure at all.It wasn't a failure.I love that, Dr. Alter. So I have another question for you. Who should you talk to when you feel stuck?There are essentially three kinds of people that are very useful when you're trying to get unstuck. The first kind are people who are like you, who overlap with you, similar backgrounds, around similar ideas. They get where you're coming from. Got it. Organizations, when they put teams together, will often do this. They'll knit together people who are similar. The second person is someone who is completely different or non-redundant. I see When we see this happen when companies come to NYU to recruit. A lot of the best companies will come in and say, We're an organization that focuses on, say, investing. We don't just want the best finance students. We want the best two finance students, the two market marketing students, the two French literature students, the two organic chemistry students, because they'll all have a very different idea about the world. When you put those different ideas together, you get something very useful. When we're often stuck, we consult with people who are like us, and that often further entrenches us. There's something very valuable in going out and speaking to people who are deliberately quite different from you. Then the third person is the black sheep, someone who actively pushes back against you.Most of us can think about people in our lives who They consistently see things not just differently, but actually in opposition. They push us a little bit to challenge the way we see the world. And so Pixar has done this for a while, where when they have a team of people working on a film, they will bring in a black sheep. So They might have a whole lot of people who say, The most important thing is our animation. That's what sets us apart. But they'll bring in someone who says, Animation doesn't matter. Essentially, it's all about narrative. Let's make sure that that first scene in the movie Up is the best narrative we can write, because if you don't grip people early, then we're never going to get them. Right. So these three kinds of people, everyone should have essentially a brain trust. So once you feel like you're stuck, you go to the people who get you. They really know you. They are a lot like you. You go to the people who are a bit different. They have different backgrounds and ideas, and then you go to the people who really push back on you.And you are much more likely to succeed in making progress with the influence of those three kinds of people.If I were to translate that to the personal life, right? So it makes perfect sense if you're trying to have a creative breakthrough or a breakthrough in your business or a breakthrough in the way that you're approaching a project. If you were to translate that to the personal life, I'm sitting here thinking, I'm like, okay, I got my high school friends, and they're like me. I got maybe the college friends or the work friends. There's some diversity there in terms of how people think and problem solving backgrounds. Then I got to find that one outlier that just looks at life differently to bounce this off of. If the person listening were to just do one thing, what is the most important thing that you want them to remember and put into action from this conversation, Dr. Alta?There are two things that you could do, two ways of approaching life. There are two ways of approaching a sticking point. The first one is called Exploration, where you try different things. The second one is Exploitation, where you drill really deep into one thing. You cannot do both at the same time. You can't both be exploring all your options and really doing as much as you can to make one particular option work for you. Figure out which stage you're in and then bounce between the two. Try different things, figure out which one is best, drill down on that until you hit a wall, and then go back to exploring again and bounce between those two phases, and you will effectively get unstuck.Thank you, thank you, thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I also want to thank you for listening today and for sharing this with people that you love, because what a waste it would be to go through your life and not tap into the potential inside of you. I know that based on what you learned today, you have a roadmap to help you do that. I hope you take everything that you learned and you put it into action. One more thing, in case no one else tells you today, let me be the one to say, I love you and I believe in you, and I believe in your ability to change your life. Now you don't have any excuses because you have the three simple steps based on the research to plant a signal out into the future and wake up every and start chipping away at it. Okay? So go do it. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. I'll talk to you in a few days.The heavy.Dr. Alta, here we go.You're even pronouncing it. See? I'm thinking Alta. An hour later and it's easy. It's just Alta.Well, I think it's good that I had that authentic fuck-up.You know what? It's like Harvard Yard. Just say Harvard Yard. Alter.Alter. It's just a Boston Got you. Okay, got you. I love these chairs. Lynn's going to probably tape a blanket to the back of that thing. Oh, and one more thing. No, this is not a blooper. This is the legal language. You know what the lawyers write and what I need to read to you. This podcast is presented solely for educational and entertainment purposes. I'm just your friend. I am not a licensed therapist, and this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional. Got it? Good. I'll see you in the next episode. Stitcher.

the emotion of stuckness had a place to go. Once it was on a piece of paper, he basically was like, Everything on that list is now a project. You either need to remove it from your life and work, or you need what doesn't work. Actually, you appreciate what works more when you've seen and tasted what doesn't.I'll give you an For example, this podcast is something that I thought about for probably seven years, and it haunted me. You want to talk about stuck and feeling like you're not tapping into your potential. There's this thing you want to do and you're not doing it, you're not doing it. I was fully in that mode of the emotion around it, the excuses around it. It really made me miserable. It also showed up, by the way, when I did that friction list. If I think back, it probably would have been three or more years ago, I made one of those friction lists, which I do all the time now, and right on it was, I haven't started the podcast yet. The fact that it showed up on the list meant to me that this was an area of my life, an area of potential that I needed to do something about. I didn't start the podcast that day. I made a decision that I was going to start working on it. In your words, I turned it into an experiment. It's interesting to point out, I think it's really important for you as you listen and are a fan of this podcast to know that I didn't even really, quote, do anything for a year.I would wake up every day and I would take 15 minutes of action a day. The first day, the action was I made a decision I was going to launch a podcast in a year or two. The next day, I simply made a list of podcasts I was going to listen to. That's it. The next day, I listened to a podcast for a little bit of time. The next day, I did a Google search and I learned the equipment that people use for podcasts. It just went on and on and on. For an entire year, I would say that I was so busy almost doing a research project and becoming a student of the thing that I was interested in Before I even did any of the actual steps of, I guess, recording an episode or figuring out what the audio editing software was and simply researching podcasts, simply becoming a student of it, every single day when I did something, knowing that it was leading toward this bigger thing, it got me moving. I didn't feel stuck again. And that was years before the podcast actually launched.That's a great, minimally viable action.Tomas When you think about the role of failure, because everyone's so terrified of failing at this. How do you reframe the way you think about failure to help yourself get unstuck and be successful?Yeah. So very few failures are the be all and end all. It's all about framing and how you think about a failure. Very few failures mean you can never do this thing again. Usually, they open up other options, opportunities, a second attempt at the same thing. And so the first thing is to accept that and to recognize that failure is inevitable. It's going to happen as you get better, as you challenge yourself. But usually that's not irrevocable. It's not the end of the world. You can move forward. So that's, I think, the first very useful thing. The other thing is to figure out what to take away from that failure. So there are good failures and bad failures. Bad failure is where you fail, you have no You have no idea why, and it doesn't help you move forward and you feel dejected. You don't feel good about it. Good failure is saying, I've learned something. Here is what I've learned. This part of what I did actually worked quite well. Here is where I got close. Here's where I fell short. It may even be a case of learning through that failure that this is not something you should be doing, and you can quit.You can move on to something else. There's nothing wrong with doing that. There are a billion things we could be doing without time. And if failure is teaching you something about what you shouldn't be doing, that's also valuable. So essentially the question that differentiates good failure from bad failure is, have I learned what the next thing should be from this failure? And if the answer is yes, then it's good. It helps you.It wasn't a failure at all.It wasn't a failure.I love that, Dr. Alter. So I have another question for you. Who should you talk to when you feel stuck?There are essentially three kinds of people that are very useful when you're trying to get unstuck. The first kind are people who are like you, who overlap with you, similar backgrounds, around similar ideas. They get where you're coming from. Got it. Organizations, when they put teams together, will often do this. They'll knit together people who are similar. The second person is someone who is completely different or non-redundant. I see When we see this happen when companies come to NYU to recruit. A lot of the best companies will come in and say, We're an organization that focuses on, say, investing. We don't just want the best finance students. We want the best two finance students, the two market marketing students, the two French literature students, the two organic chemistry students, because they'll all have a very different idea about the world. When you put those different ideas together, you get something very useful. When we're often stuck, we consult with people who are like us, and that often further entrenches us. There's something very valuable in going out and speaking to people who are deliberately quite different from you. Then the third person is the black sheep, someone who actively pushes back against you.Most of us can think about people in our lives who They consistently see things not just differently, but actually in opposition. They push us a little bit to challenge the way we see the world. And so Pixar has done this for a while, where when they have a team of people working on a film, they will bring in a black sheep. So They might have a whole lot of people who say, The most important thing is our animation. That's what sets us apart. But they'll bring in someone who says, Animation doesn't matter. Essentially, it's all about narrative. Let's make sure that that first scene in the movie Up is the best narrative we can write, because if you don't grip people early, then we're never going to get them. Right. So these three kinds of people, everyone should have essentially a brain trust. So once you feel like you're stuck, you go to the people who get you. They really know you. They are a lot like you. You go to the people who are a bit different. They have different backgrounds and ideas, and then you go to the people who really push back on you.And you are much more likely to succeed in making progress with the influence of those three kinds of people.If I were to translate that to the personal life, right? So it makes perfect sense if you're trying to have a creative breakthrough or a breakthrough in your business or a breakthrough in the way that you're approaching a project. If you were to translate that to the personal life, I'm sitting here thinking, I'm like, okay, I got my high school friends, and they're like me. I got maybe the college friends or the work friends. There's some diversity there in terms of how people think and problem solving backgrounds. Then I got to find that one outlier that just looks at life differently to bounce this off of. If the person listening were to just do one thing, what is the most important thing that you want them to remember and put into action from this conversation, Dr. Alta?There are two things that you could do, two ways of approaching life. There are two ways of approaching a sticking point. The first one is called Exploration, where you try different things. The second one is Exploitation, where you drill really deep into one thing. You cannot do both at the same time. You can't both be exploring all your options and really doing as much as you can to make one particular option work for you. Figure out which stage you're in and then bounce between the two. Try different things, figure out which one is best, drill down on that until you hit a wall, and then go back to exploring again and bounce between those two phases, and you will effectively get unstuck.Thank you, thank you, thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I also want to thank you for listening today and for sharing this with people that you love, because what a waste it would be to go through your life and not tap into the potential inside of you. I know that based on what you learned today, you have a roadmap to help you do that. I hope you take everything that you learned and you put it into action. One more thing, in case no one else tells you today, let me be the one to say, I love you and I believe in you, and I believe in your ability to change your life. Now you don't have any excuses because you have the three simple steps based on the research to plant a signal out into the future and wake up every and start chipping away at it. Okay? So go do it. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. I'll talk to you in a few days.The heavy.Dr. Alta, here we go.You're even pronouncing it. See? I'm thinking Alta. An hour later and it's easy. It's just Alta.Well, I think it's good that I had that authentic fuck-up.You know what? It's like Harvard Yard. Just say Harvard Yard. Alter.Alter. It's just a Boston Got you. Okay, got you. I love these chairs. Lynn's going to probably tape a blanket to the back of that thing. Oh, and one more thing. No, this is not a blooper. This is the legal language. You know what the lawyers write and what I need to read to you. This podcast is presented solely for educational and entertainment purposes. I'm just your friend. I am not a licensed therapist, and this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional. Got it? Good. I'll see you in the next episode. Stitcher.

what doesn't work. Actually, you appreciate what works more when you've seen and tasted what doesn't.

I'll give you an For example, this podcast is something that I thought about for probably seven years, and it haunted me. You want to talk about stuck and feeling like you're not tapping into your potential. There's this thing you want to do and you're not doing it, you're not doing it. I was fully in that mode of the emotion around it, the excuses around it. It really made me miserable. It also showed up, by the way, when I did that friction list. If I think back, it probably would have been three or more years ago, I made one of those friction lists, which I do all the time now, and right on it was, I haven't started the podcast yet. The fact that it showed up on the list meant to me that this was an area of my life, an area of potential that I needed to do something about. I didn't start the podcast that day. I made a decision that I was going to start working on it. In your words, I turned it into an experiment. It's interesting to point out, I think it's really important for you as you listen and are a fan of this podcast to know that I didn't even really, quote, do anything for a year.

I would wake up every day and I would take 15 minutes of action a day. The first day, the action was I made a decision I was going to launch a podcast in a year or two. The next day, I simply made a list of podcasts I was going to listen to. That's it. The next day, I listened to a podcast for a little bit of time. The next day, I did a Google search and I learned the equipment that people use for podcasts. It just went on and on and on. For an entire year, I would say that I was so busy almost doing a research project and becoming a student of the thing that I was interested in Before I even did any of the actual steps of, I guess, recording an episode or figuring out what the audio editing software was and simply researching podcasts, simply becoming a student of it, every single day when I did something, knowing that it was leading toward this bigger thing, it got me moving. I didn't feel stuck again. And that was years before the podcast actually launched.

That's a great, minimally viable action.

Tomas When you think about the role of failure, because everyone's so terrified of failing at this. How do you reframe the way you think about failure to help yourself get unstuck and be successful?

Yeah. So very few failures are the be all and end all. It's all about framing and how you think about a failure. Very few failures mean you can never do this thing again. Usually, they open up other options, opportunities, a second attempt at the same thing. And so the first thing is to accept that and to recognize that failure is inevitable. It's going to happen as you get better, as you challenge yourself. But usually that's not irrevocable. It's not the end of the world. You can move forward. So that's, I think, the first very useful thing. The other thing is to figure out what to take away from that failure. So there are good failures and bad failures. Bad failure is where you fail, you have no You have no idea why, and it doesn't help you move forward and you feel dejected. You don't feel good about it. Good failure is saying, I've learned something. Here is what I've learned. This part of what I did actually worked quite well. Here is where I got close. Here's where I fell short. It may even be a case of learning through that failure that this is not something you should be doing, and you can quit.

You can move on to something else. There's nothing wrong with doing that. There are a billion things we could be doing without time. And if failure is teaching you something about what you shouldn't be doing, that's also valuable. So essentially the question that differentiates good failure from bad failure is, have I learned what the next thing should be from this failure? And if the answer is yes, then it's good. It helps you.

It wasn't a failure at all.

It wasn't a failure.

I love that, Dr. Alter. So I have another question for you. Who should you talk to when you feel stuck?

There are essentially three kinds of people that are very useful when you're trying to get unstuck. The first kind are people who are like you, who overlap with you, similar backgrounds, around similar ideas. They get where you're coming from. Got it. Organizations, when they put teams together, will often do this. They'll knit together people who are similar. The second person is someone who is completely different or non-redundant. I see When we see this happen when companies come to NYU to recruit. A lot of the best companies will come in and say, We're an organization that focuses on, say, investing. We don't just want the best finance students. We want the best two finance students, the two market marketing students, the two French literature students, the two organic chemistry students, because they'll all have a very different idea about the world. When you put those different ideas together, you get something very useful. When we're often stuck, we consult with people who are like us, and that often further entrenches us. There's something very valuable in going out and speaking to people who are deliberately quite different from you. Then the third person is the black sheep, someone who actively pushes back against you.

Most of us can think about people in our lives who They consistently see things not just differently, but actually in opposition. They push us a little bit to challenge the way we see the world. And so Pixar has done this for a while, where when they have a team of people working on a film, they will bring in a black sheep. So They might have a whole lot of people who say, The most important thing is our animation. That's what sets us apart. But they'll bring in someone who says, Animation doesn't matter. Essentially, it's all about narrative. Let's make sure that that first scene in the movie Up is the best narrative we can write, because if you don't grip people early, then we're never going to get them. Right. So these three kinds of people, everyone should have essentially a brain trust. So once you feel like you're stuck, you go to the people who get you. They really know you. They are a lot like you. You go to the people who are a bit different. They have different backgrounds and ideas, and then you go to the people who really push back on you.

And you are much more likely to succeed in making progress with the influence of those three kinds of people.

If I were to translate that to the personal life, right? So it makes perfect sense if you're trying to have a creative breakthrough or a breakthrough in your business or a breakthrough in the way that you're approaching a project. If you were to translate that to the personal life, I'm sitting here thinking, I'm like, okay, I got my high school friends, and they're like me. I got maybe the college friends or the work friends. There's some diversity there in terms of how people think and problem solving backgrounds. Then I got to find that one outlier that just looks at life differently to bounce this off of. If the person listening were to just do one thing, what is the most important thing that you want them to remember and put into action from this conversation, Dr. Alta?

There are two things that you could do, two ways of approaching life. There are two ways of approaching a sticking point. The first one is called Exploration, where you try different things. The second one is Exploitation, where you drill really deep into one thing. You cannot do both at the same time. You can't both be exploring all your options and really doing as much as you can to make one particular option work for you. Figure out which stage you're in and then bounce between the two. Try different things, figure out which one is best, drill down on that until you hit a wall, and then go back to exploring again and bounce between those two phases, and you will effectively get unstuck.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I also want to thank you for listening today and for sharing this with people that you love, because what a waste it would be to go through your life and not tap into the potential inside of you. I know that based on what you learned today, you have a roadmap to help you do that. I hope you take everything that you learned and you put it into action. One more thing, in case no one else tells you today, let me be the one to say, I love you and I believe in you, and I believe in your ability to change your life. Now you don't have any excuses because you have the three simple steps based on the research to plant a signal out into the future and wake up every and start chipping away at it. Okay? So go do it. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. I'll talk to you in a few days.

The heavy.

Dr. Alta, here we go.

You're even pronouncing it. See? I'm thinking Alta. An hour later and it's easy. It's just Alta.

Well, I think it's good that I had that authentic fuck-up.

You know what? It's like Harvard Yard. Just say Harvard Yard. Alter.

Alter. It's just a Boston Got you. Okay, got you. I love these chairs. Lynn's going to probably tape a blanket to the back of that thing. Oh, and one more thing. No, this is not a blooper. This is the legal language. You know what the lawyers write and what I need to read to you. This podcast is presented solely for educational and entertainment purposes. I'm just your friend. I am not a licensed therapist, and this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional. Got it? Good. I'll see you in the next episode. Stitcher.