What does it take for someone as an influencer or just a person sitting at home to actually go out there and make a show and actually get signed?

So here's my answer to them. Every agency in town, they have scores of assistance, and their sole job is to scour all the TikTok, Instagram, everything, looking for that little thing. That's why I say, if there's something special about you, television will find you.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a very, very special edition of the Money Mondays because I have the CEO of it all. Not just my agency, but all. When I say all, We have the Elevator Syndicate. We have Elevator Nights. We have Elevator Rolling Fund. We have Elevator Speakers, all stemming from Elevator Studios, our agency that spend over $60 million with influencers doing 110,000 paid posts over the years. But what you're intrigued for is this gentleman has a 30-year-long TV career before joining me half a decade ago. So how did I convince him? I have no idea. It took me five months of negotiations to get him over here. So If you guys have ever watched in the past, Real World, Road Rules, Keeping Up with the Kardashian's, Simple Life with Paris Hilton, you can blame this guy sitting two feet to my right because he was the original CEO for the first eight years of Buna Murray. So remember when you watch those reality shows at the bottom of said Buna Murray? That was his fault, too. After that, he worked with Sony, he worked with Fox, worked with Dr. Phil and some amazing people during the course of his career, focusing on the TV and film industry.

So how did I get him to come over to a social media agency back in 2019, 2020? Well, he saw the overarching vision. I wasn't just focused on influencer marketing. And because he had that three-decade-long career in managing $100 million budgets and $300 million budgets, $50 million budgets, it was a big leap for me to say, Can you come here to work with my a social media agency, I want to become what's called a Venture Studio. A Venture Studio is when we go in to invest or take equity of companies, whether they're our clients, our friends, or people that inbound come to us through our live events or through our social media. Over the course of time, as you guys have heard, I've done 43 angel investments or Venture Studio investments through Elevator Studios because of this gentleman sitting next to me. Along the way, we have what's called the Elevator Syndicate. You can check it out at elevatorsyndicate. Com. That is We're accredited investors. We have 846 accredited investors and growing in that group. And we've raised $44 million over the last three years for food and beverage brands and consumer products. What we do is we put in $3-$6 million per deal, and it's a company doing $2-$20 million in revenue.

You guys see me post about those type of companies all the time. Ever Bowl, Icon Meals. It'll take too long to list all the companies, but you guys hear me talk about them throughout the podcast because it's important to me. We find companies doing $2-$20 million because we want companies that we can help pour gasoline on the fire. And these companies have gone on to do some great things. Without further ado, make sure you listen carefully because this is the one human on the planet that I listen to because he is my CEO, Mr. Joey Carson.

Well, thank you very much. I can't believe we're actually sitting together on the same couch in the same place.

At the same time.

Right. That never happened.

Okay. So, Joey, typically I say give us the quick two-minute bio so we can get straight to the money. But if you need a little bit more in two minutes because of your career, go for it.

Well, I think you covered a lot of it there. Been very blessed with my career. Came out here in the late '80s after I graduated from college, actually to pursue a music career. Last thing I wanted to do was get a job. So I spent the first 10 years of my career working in the studio system. I worked for Columbia Pictures Television first, and then I worked for Fox, which was really the big leap in my career early on, because it was the early days of Fox, when the network was just getting going, we were doing everything. We did all of the daytime syndication show, all the talk shows. We did cable television shows. That was back in the days for the older people in your audience would remember Movies of the Week. We did that. So we had a lot of fun. I had great mentors in that job, and they gave me a lot of leeway. Before I had joined Fox, I had never been to New York in my life. Suddenly now, I'm flying there almost every other week. Yeah, for sure. Doing all the production in New York and that thing, which is really good.

And I went about as far as I could go at Fox. And then that's when I met the folks at Buna Murray, John and Mary Ellis. I had actually known of them and worked with them at Fox. I'd actually given them money for a pilot at the time. That's interesting. Yeah. And it was a really nice experience working with them. And then I found out through an agent friend of mine that they were looking to take this company to the next level and that thing. So we met and I joined them, and we did a lot of really cool things together. We did a lot of things for the first time that people had never done. When we did the Simple Life, that was the very first network prime-time reality show, which you just don't see. All the network shows that are on now, they're all game shows and that thing. So we did that, and obviously that changed the landscape a lot. We were the first people on that show to put video content on the phone, which was an idea that I had had. In fact, a lot of the things we did that I did back then, and we did together, and I've done since, were really basic entrepreneurial things.

How do we create a new revenue stream? When we did MTV's popular show, The Challenge. Well, that originally was the Real World Road Rules Challenge. So we got cast. Again, it was like, how do we come up with something? So we said, well, let's take people from real world and road rules.

It's like Marvel versus DC.

Right. And it had been going on for a little while, and it was popular. So we thought, how do we turn this into something else? So that's when, as a group, we were like, well, what if we had men versus women? And what if we did a theme around this, where we had the gauntlet or the Inferno. And so we turned that one show into five different franchises. But again, which, again, we're all great. It's still going now, but bigger than ever. But that really just came out of a basic entrepreneurial need of how do we get more money in the door and do different things. At the round, the same time, I was fortunate enough to work with Steve Lipscom when he started the World Poker Tour. So I was a founding board member of that, and we went through that entire Our process, actually, from getting the show up and running to being sold, which is a great story, probably too long for this. And then we took the company public, and then we sold it again, and I think it was 2010. So I did that. Actually, after I left Buna Murray, I spent a couple of years in Silicon Valley, which was really interesting.

And I didn't know at the time. I had an idea with some other people to create an online virtual world, or a massive multi-player online game, as they call them. And I did a $4 million Series A-ray straight off the deck that we did, which to me, I was like, okay, to me, it was almost like selling a show. Like, okay, we sold a show. I found out later how rare that is. So that was a really fun experience, and did that for a few years. Ultimately, that company didn't survive due to the 2008 financial crisis. And then, after that, sometime after that, I went to work with Dr. Phil. He and I had been friends since he moved to California. I was the first person that he met when he... And he's from Texas. I'm from Texas. He played football. I played football. He was a huge tennis player. I'm a huge tennis player. So we just started hanging out, spending a lot of time together, and we're just best of friends for well over a decade before I ever went to work for him. Actually, after I left Dr. Phil is when you and I met, which, by the way, I just realized this.

Next week, it'll be six years. Six years. That I actually started. So we were already having lunches and talking. But, yeah, I think next week is the six-year anniversary of us being together.

That's when this episode comes out. So it's coming out on our sixth anniversary. This comes out next Monday. There you go. Okay, Joey. So we cover three core topics here: how to make money, how to invest money, how to give away to charity. On the make money side, how do TV stars, or especially reality stars, make money?

Well, it's different now than it was 20 years ago when I first started. Originally, pretty much the only way a reality TV star would make money is by getting an episodic fee, which back in those days was really small, maybe $3,000 an episode, maybe $5,000 an episode, sometimes in rare cases, $10,000 an episode. And that was it. It was just... So if you're in 10 episodes and you got 10,000 in an episode, you made 100 grand. That was it. Later on, actually, honestly, I think really, Paris Hilton was the first one to really break that boundary. When we originally did that show, She had this vision of becoming everything that she is today. But back then, it was just an idea for her. She was like, I want to have a fashion brand. I want to have a fragrance brand. I want to... All these things. And no one had really done that before. And so she used the show to springboard herself into that stratosphere. These days now, it's still pretty much the same. It's very hard for a reality star to carve out. The only thing they can really carve out is whatever their existing business is.

But by being on television, I remember even back in the Simple Life days, And even with World Poker Tour, what we used to say at World Poker Tour is the show is the commercial for the tour, right? So if you're on a reality show, it's really a commercial for the ventures that you're doing. Because where are you going to get that air time, right? A 30-second spot cost tens, maybe even hundreds of thousands of dollars a minute, and it's a commercial. Here, your brand is on television. So there's a lot of free promotion there. And again, since Paris was really the first one to do it, obviously, you've seen what the Kardashian's have done. I mean, there's multi-billion dollar companies going on there, strictly as a result of that. So you're not really going to... I always tell people, if they're going to be on a reality show, you're not going to make money. In fact, it's probably going to cost you money by the time you get a lawyer to review the contract and all of that. But think a little bit down the road of how this benefits your personal brand. A lot of what you talk about in personal branding, right?

Okay, so I need you to do a reality check for people. Okay. We're in Hollywood. We're in Los Angeles, where people from all over the planet, fly in with visions of grandeor. They're going to be a star, whether it's a music star, an acting star, a TV star, a social media influencer, etc. Walk us through what it takes to actually land a full, not a little cameo, to land A TV or a movie roll.

Well, if you're an actor, it's very, very difficult. And the competition that you are up against is staggering. So think about it. If you have been in plays all your life, and maybe you went to college and you got a BFA in college, and then maybe you even got a master's, you got an MFA from a prestigious school like Yale or something like that, that's still no guarantee that just because you have that education, it does not really matter when it comes down to a casting session. So what I have a very close friend who's a very well-known, famous acting teacher. Her name is Leslie Khan, and she has a line that I think is really good. And she says, I don't want your acting to be the problem. So when you walk in there, your acting is nailed. And so then it really just becomes about your interpretation of what's on the page and how you read for that role. I'll give you an example. Think about it. Most people watch any TV show and they think, How hard can it be? I could do that. How hard is it? I just memorize some lines.

That's not the case.

Damon, no problem. Tom Cruise, whatever. Yeah.

And these guys are so good. And they've been for so long. And this is the sign of a true master. It looks like they're not acting at all.

Right, and they're not in Capri?

Yeah. It looks like they're not doing anything. But if you take any pro-athlete, pro Musician, and when they're doing... If you watch Michael Jordan, LeBron, it's like, yeah, you know. But they don't realize what's behind that, right?

Yeah, the 200,000 shots beforehand.

Exactly. And the same thing is true for writers. A lot of people want to be writers. Again, it's like, How hard could that be?

Yeah, I'm funny.

Right. I mean, or everybody wants to write a script. How hard could that be? Well, it's really hard. And so with acting, I tell people, treat it like... You have to think about it. You're coming out here competing against professionals that have been doing it for a long time. That would be like me saying, You know what? I'm going to go play on the ATP tennis tour. Now, I'm a really good tennis player. I'm nationally ranked in my age group. I have been my whole life. But that's far cry from being...

Go fight with Federer.

Right. I wouldn't even get a point. And so people, when they think about it, when they say, I'm going to come to Hollywood, I'm going to be an actor, that's literally like saying, I'm going to go be in the NFL. So that's the reality check. But the way to mitigate that is just like LeBron or Steph Curry or anybody just shoots a thousand balls a day. You have to do that with your acting. You have to be practicing every single day, doing scenes. You and I would do a scene for at least an hour. Think about it. If you want to be a professional athlete, what's better if you're going to train one hour a day or two hours a day or three hours a day?

Or be like Kobe and train all the hours of the day.

Yeah, you have two a day. You train in the morning, you train in the afternoon. So people think, and it's hard. Look, you come out here, you got to work. So most people, they have to get a job. When are you going to have time? Well, you actually do have time to practice and rehe and do scene work and those things. But then you go on the audition. The other thing that's different about, here's the other reality check for everyone out there, is that in the old days, if you got called in for a role to read, you would go down to the casting director's office and wait in line, almost like the doctor's office, and then you would go in and read in front of the casting directors, the writers, the other studio executives, whatever. That's all gone. Everything's on Zoom now. Wow. Yeah. So Look at it this way. If you're a casting director, and before you might see 10, 12, maybe call it 20 people a day. But those are appointments, people coming in, doing all that. Now, you're on Zoom, and you're seeing over 100 people a day. So if you're an actor, and so now every actor has to make, we call them self-tapes.

And so an actor will make a tape. Well, your tape has to be good within three seconds, or else, boom, you're on to the next person. So it's that much harder to break into it as an actor. That's not saying you can't do it. Of course. A lot of it also depends on what you look like. What is the role? You and I would never be cast for the same role. I'd get some old guy role. So that's a huge part of it. And remember, if they're looking for somebody that's in my age group that looks like me, there's I've probably seeing 300 other people that look exactly like me and might be better than me, probably are better than me.

Okay. So there is a lot more platforms now for people to work with compared to back in the days when we could name the channels before MTV, BT, VH1, ABC, Ceeba. We could literally name the 30, 40 channels, and there was 99 total. Now there's a thousand plus channels that we can't even think of, never even seen in our lives. And There's Hulu. Apple has their own platform. Youtube has their own platform. I can't even name how many platforms are. And then there's sub platforms with Peacock having over here. Hbo Go changed their name to this thing over here, and Cinemax changed their name to this, and How about there's just a whirlwind of platforms, and each of them need content. Some of them have gotten hundreds of millions of dollars or billions of dollars of funding to create these platforms to fight against the Holy Mecca, which is Netflix, right? With so So many shows that are out there, there are a lot more roles, but how do you stand out once you land a role? So now you've gone on to a TV show, now how do you stand out when there's thousands of other shows?

Well, depending on what your contract is with the show and confidentiality and all the things surrounding about that, it can actually help you enormously. Because actually, as the studio, if they're bringing you in and you have a following of 2, 3, 4, 10 million people, That actually helps the studio. Sure. So they're also looking at that as well. And that's really true in the book space. I've had... Think about it, how many authors have come to me in the past couple of years with good pitches for books, good outlines, and they've gotten the meeting with, say, Simon & Schuster or somebody like that. And ultimately, they've been turned down because... And the note always is, go build up your social media following and come back, because they need need help getting it out there. So it's almost incumbent upon you and your brand, especially in these areas, to really work on that, because it's just going to be one more reason why the studio is going to choose to work with you. Let's say you're on the edge and it's close or whatever, but if you have an active, engaged following and are popular, for lack of a better word, that's going to help you.

Conversely, though, a lot of people think I think that because, let's just say somebody has a big social media presence. I can't even count the amount of times people have come to me in these last several years, especially since you and I've been together, and saying, Hey, you create a reality TV show around. How many times does that happen? That was my next question. Yeah.

That was my next question. Let me ask you the question. That was legitimately the next question. We're also in LA and Hollywood, and we are bombarded. You and I with Elevator Studio, we have 3,500 influencers that we've W-9. We've actually physically have their tax information and paid.

Yeah, that was just last year.

And all of them, not all of them, but most of them think that they could have their own TV show. What does it take for someone as an influencer or just a person sitting at home that think that their household is funny, their family is hilarious, they should have a show because everyone seems to think that. What does it take to actually go out there and make a show and actually get signed?

Everybody thinks they are a reality show, and the truth is, you're not. And so here's my answer to them. If you're worthy, for lack of a better word, of having a reality TV show based around you, television will find you. I always tell people that. And here's why. Every agency in town, every production company, so think William Morris, CAA, UTA, on and on. Every production company, like Buna Murray, my old company, all these other companies, they have scores of assistants and interns, and their sole job is to scour all the TikTok, Instagram, everything, looking for that little thing. And so that's why I say, if there's something special about you, television will find you. Because the leap from social media to television, it's not like from here to here. It's from here to... The moon? Beyond. Back in the day, this goes back as far as my Fox days in the '90s and even in the early... In Buna Murray, we would have celebrities, especially after the Paris Hilton, the Simple Life thing happened. We took pitches from countless celebrities, which I... Major names. Major household names that you know. They would come in and they would say, Okay, what's going on?

They would say, You should do a show about me. We're like, Okay, what's the show? Well, I lead a really interesting life, and I do this, and I travel around, and I have crazy kids, and this and that, and we'll just say, Yeah, that's not a show. We're all pretty similar in our lives to a large degree, right? So I'm not saying that to discourage you. It's like you said, this is a reality check on reality. So the best thing you can do as an influencer or as a personal brand or any type of entrepreneur, if you're a business guy, is just do what you do and be great at it. Look at the people that have broken out, guys like Gary Breca, or Andrew Huberman, even Joe Rogan. I mean, Rogan was back in the-The fear factor guy. Yeah, that's who he was back in the day. Yeah, he was-Eats spiders. Yeah, he was the host of that show for a long time. Great show. Super nice guy. Put in the work decades before we even think about it.

Right.

And his podcast, he's the first one to say. I just started it off as... I just thought it was fun to do and talk to people.

Talk to your friends.

But that became the brand, right? And his own personality stood out in that. That's what makes him so huge.

Okay. Last question because we actually have to host The Money Mondays, our weekly Zoom call. By the way, you guys can register for that. Themoneymondays. Com. We go live every Monday, 4:00 PM, PST. Myself, Joey Carson, and some of our business friends will hop on there. Actually, I got to go. So final question because we're going to have Joey back on because we talked all TV this time. I want to bring him back on to talk about the agency influencers in that whole world and all of our craziness and our investments. So Joey Carson. I have all the guests. I've never had the same And again, I don't think I'm going to have the same answer right now.

Uh-oh. Okay.

A hundred years from now, when Joey passes away, you're going to be many, many years, 100 years, 120 years from now. You're going to have robot arms and biotechnology and keep going. And let's say you've got $100 million at the time. What percentage of the $100 million do you leave to your two daughters?

All of it. Because I trust them to carry the values that I hopefully instilled in them to do the right thing with it, both for themselves and for other people, to create opportunities, to give to various charities, whatever. But I would trust them. I love that.

You said it's so clean, so powerful. All right, guys, we're going to bring Joey back on. We might even film it tonight for all I know. We are bound by our responsibility to you guys that are It's part of the Money Mondays. Com. It's really important to us. So I'm glad to see a bunch of you guys there. 100% of the profits goes to the Wild Jungle. So if you want to go on there, it's 200 bucks a month. All that money goes to the Wild Jungle to help support our 209 animals because they are very hungry, as you guys can imagine, over at Wild Jungle. You can check us out on social media at wild jungle, W-Y-L-D. But as you guys know, we grew up thinking it's rude to talk about money, and our guests here think it's rude to not talk about money. So it's really important for you guys to talk about it with your friends, family, followers, staff, et cetera, because it's real life. Legal, accounting, finances, IRS, tax, debt, borrowing money, your FICO score, your credit score. All these things are real life stuff. Nothing I said is evil. All of it is reality.

We have to be able to have these discussions. Thank you guys for keeping us. We've been number one to number two for, I think, 66 out of the 72 weeks we've been live. That is all due to you guys. So it's really important for you to like, comment, subscribe, et cetera. As you notice, we don't do ads here. We have We're running this out of passion. We want you guys to have these real discussions. We have a 93% listen-through rate because of you guys and because we don't sit here and read a bunch of two-minute, five-minute commercials. Now that I'm against commercials, obviously, we are an agency, so we like that concept. We just don't want to do it here. We're going to hold out as long as we can. We've been holding out for 70 plus weeks now. So we're going to keep fighting the good fight, just paying for this ourselves because we want you guys to talk about money. We want you guys to be out there investing, understanding it, having open discussions. So check out Joey Carson. Check out our company called Elevator Studio. It's at Elevator.vator on social media. And we will see you guys next Monday.