They said you ran 40 red lights in three months on a dealer plate or something like that.

Damn, listen, listen, listen, listen, He puts asses in the seats.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, But for K-Mouse, swing it, didn't he? You said good to go.

Don't use his start off like that, bro.

You said good to go, so I thought we were good to go.

Give the intro first, bro. That was the intro, bro. We put you around black people, man. You get a little wild, man. Come on, man. That's not I'm always wild.

It's the Pat, Bam, File with Rome. Pat, Bam, File with Ron. Ron. Welcome to the show from beautiful Los Angeles. I freaking love it out here, man. I thought you said you don't like it, right? That's actually true. I don't at all, but I was trying to be polite because we're at a guest house. But who might that guess be, you might ask. Well, he puts asses in the seats from court to pod. Don't play with him. They might call him Arenas, but the man can fill up stadiums. Top shooter in DC, he had the trigger and will pull it so much they almost had to change the Wizards back to bullets. On the court, he was the meanest. Now his show is the cleanest. He has no chill for real. Welcome back, Gil-Arinas. Welcome back to the middle of the arena as well. I appreciate it.

Boy, nice, Gib.

I see.

We weren't doing the intros like that last time you were on. You know what I mean? I wasn't chefing up intros like that.

I'm going to put a little flair to it.

I wanted to put some flair to it so you finally get a proper intro. What did you say about Wizards' Bullets?

Say that again. Say that one again.

I said he's a shooter. He's got the trigger. He could pull it. So much they might have to change the Wizards back to bullets, bro. I'm talking about.

I That's what you're talking about.

Yeah, because I like the bullets at the house. They're sitting in the box that day.

They're sitting in the box. But welcome back to the show. And thank you again for having us in your home. Absolutely beautiful. You just had us on your show down It was fire. And yeah, just congratulations on that success, because I think a lot of players find it hard to have a different chapter after their playing career. You were so successful as a player, and now you have this different chapter. So there has to be some level of fulfillment for you to be like, Hey, I have this whole other thing that people can know me for, and it's successful on its own.

When you retire, man, it was all I knew was basketball. I didn't really know anything else. I dealt with depression when I... I didn't even know it was depression. It was putting myself in a routine because that's all I knew, is wake up, do something. I've said it before, I used to wake up and then drive from here all the way to downtown because there and back took about 2 hours, like practice. I just wasted 2 hours. Then I could get lunch, then take my nap, wake up to do the same drive to downtown and back because that's 7:00 to 9:00. I was trying to figure out how to fill in those two voids that the game required for me. When I started podcasting, it started as fun. Then I realized to be great at this, I had to treat it like it was the sport.

That's where the analytics, we were just sitting here for- To study.

I'm studying your game. I got to study your platform, too. Okay, what makes them successful? Okay, oh, they do that, they add this, this. I had to study that, and that consumed the energy that I was using for the sport that I couldn't find to put it in regular life. Because that is a hard thing for players where that energy that we... If you look at the time, practice time. It's practice time. By the time we get on the court and get it going, 11:30, let's go.

By the time you get home, 2:30. You're so used to it. You still use sleep. You go to sleep.

It was all calculated.

That's fire.

Was there ever a thought to doing something like this as you were playing? I know it's a notch before, but did you ever consider being part of the media as a player, or did that not really even exist as an option towards the end?

When you came to the right man, I was the first wave. So the NBA started the thing called player's diary. It was me, Dunlevy, Shane Badier, and we just do a weekly blog about what we did that week. I was crazy on it. It was a nice week I had, and I'm just sitting there just talking trash about the other players that I done whipped on and stuff like that. And then everybody liked it. So I kept doing it to the point where I ended up winning two awards. Yeah. So I pushed nba. Com up, damn near 11%, me and Dave Mcminermann. He was my ghostwriter. Yeah, that's how he got his stuff started. He was my Ghost Friday, right? Okay. And it just took off. So I was blogging before it was even a thing.

That's fire. So that came natural then? Getting the mic, that came natural. You knew exactly how you wanted to do it?

Yeah, I was good with the media. I was that person that you can sense like, Okay, he's an ass. He going to try to poke at me a little bit, right? I had some bad shots. He going to try to use that, get me fired up. So I beat him to the punch. I know why you all here, man. I was out there just not passing ball, being selfish in the money. My fault. Get him all lapped. You know what I mean? I'm beating you to your punch line. And then once I started realizing, then started reading how they wrote stuff, and then now I take that to my blog and do the same thing. So I was always ahead of the curve on blogging. I just never knew this would be something I'll be doing. When you play, you feel like I'll be playing to in 30 years.

Straight up. But that depression shit is real, dude. Did you guys see that Jabbari Parker clip?

I took that different, though.

How did you take that? You know what clip I'm talking about?

I took that as a sense of accomplishment.

Oh, you thought it was like a prideful tears that he had?

When he asked about the first year, being from Chicago, wanting to get into the NBA, getting to the NBA, injuries taking you out, just to be able to play basketball again in a full year. I took it as that. I took it as like, Hell, yeah, I got through this year. Obviously, I don't want to be an NBA, but fuck it. I got through this year.

See, I think a lot of the internet has this perception that it's like, I'm not where I want to be type of thing.

No.

Not after that.

Yeah, that cry was... That tear was... A sense of accomplishment. I'm playing again. I'm doing it again. I'm doing what I love to do again.

Everyone counted me out. Fuck that. I'm doing it again.

No different than when Derrick Rose hit the 50. Yeah, right.

Yeah. Good call.

As someone who been hurt, mentally, you sitting there second guessing, is this it? Am I going to ever play again? Am I ever going to do this again? So when he did it again and someone asked him, the real feeling, the human feeling came out like, The last four, five years been rough for me, man. Just to finish through a season. This might be the last... I ain't finished your season in how many years? It's like...

Cutting tray, wave. Yeah.

And he's such a supremely naturally talented guy, too. That he's a type of person that you root for. You see him at the top of a draft class. It's like, Oh, this guy's going to be incredible. And then this injury shit hits. It feels sad as somebody who's rooting for him. So to hear that it's not a depressing thing, that it's a positive thing, that fires me up.

But that shows you how the media is. How strong the media is. You could take one video of a guy crying, not saying a word, and make it a whole reality, and it's not even close.

But I think in some ways, it's just fans that are reacting to the video, too. It's like with even out any type of I'm editorializing people are like, damn, it's not that bad. But I didn't think of it from that perspective at all that it was even positive.

I guarantee you, Ron, you rap, you lose voice. You can't battle. You barely can I've had to talk for four or five years. You go through a whole year, you can talk, you can battle, you win another championship. You go cry.

Oh, bro, I'll cry at anything, dude. I got a quick trigger on crying, dude. I'll cry real much. That'd be waterworks, dude. I'll be going through it.

We got to talk to him about the women's sports right now. We got to talk. Not the Caitlin Clark, not the controversial stuff, but where the sport is going right now. Do you think it's a phase, or do you think it's headed somewhere?

I think it's headed in a direction it should have been a long time ago. Candice Parker years. Candice Parker, Diana Tarassi. It reminds me of Jordan in '88, '89, where that '87, '88 year when the NBA decided this is the dude, and they took the wings off and put the logo on. It became the logo. Then he won every award. Magic and Bird like, Yo, wait, he ain't won nothing. He ain't won nothing. How are you just going to give this man this? And that's when the close line started, and then from there, rules changed. Rules changed for him. That's why if you hear-Bad boys. Yeah, Isaiah Thomas is talking about, Hey, man, there was no what's the name? And you all didn't change the rule for me, Bird. He's him. Expansion. Let's fluff this shit around a little bit. Let's go ahead and mix this, get Hey, take some of them players off the team. Let's dilute it. Let's dilute it. Make some more teams. Give them a chance to beat up on somebody. It was for him.

They could also fist fight then, too.

I think we're really just-Yeah, but I'm not going to let you fist fight him. You're not. That's what I said. Okay, you all fist fight, but wait, hold on because he talks, too. And we're not going to just let you hit him. We're going to add some P. So it was a design.

Then you get Charles Oakley out the blue. Dennis Robin, Ron Harper. Everybody that played him, that played him tough was his teammate.

Teammate.

So we think that Kaylyn Clarke needs Charles Oakley?

She going to have that song.

No, but it's just like on the way. We've been looking at the game and say, Okay, it's a little rough. They doing anything. Okay. They're missing something for the global part of it. And it came. The problem is-Want nobody ready for it. No. Not for her. You're not ready for it. Even though we've seen it for two years coming, I don't think the league itself was built for it because more talented girls has came through.

Bigger, Duncan.

Yeah, but no one gravitated to it. I think the success is Steph Curry, too. Steph Curry shooting and this and that helped. Now you got somebody who's shooting like a a man. From that, it's exciting.

Do you blame the women who are being physical with her and giving her a hard time? I'm asking you because, Pat, I know you can't because I watched Alonso Ball's first game. No, I don't.

I think it helps her be a better basketball player.

No, it helps her be a better basketball player because she has to go through it, but the league itself is going to step in. They're going to to change the rules. She can cry all she wants. They're going to listen to it. If you listen to Isaiah, Jordan used to go to the Commissioner crying, He hit me. He listened. They're going to listen. No matter what the league looks like today, if It won't be there tomorrow. That physical play is going to leave, which helps to lead because all the girls- 70-point games turned into 110.

Yeah.

All those girls built like her get to have an advantage, too, where we can shoot. So to get rid of the less talented and the more physical. Like, hey, the less talented and physical is going to remove them and it's going to bring in more skilled players. The scoring is going to go up. Fan base, money, advertisement. They just don't see it now.

Ried away for 20 years, changed rules back.

They just don't see.

They just changed it back this year with the NBA. Oh, you can hit people. You can hand check people. They let you do everything now.

Yeah, ball's hands. They just don't see it now because- They're in it now. No one... Just like Magic and Bird, like, What about us? And then they're like, Yeah, you all did good. You all hooked it together. Diana, Taras, and them, the league didn't fold.

They kept it afloat.

You all kept It's all in the flow. You did, Jodef. Is she better than you? No. No, that is not the question. She's not better than you. She's not better than Candice Parker was. My Amour.

No.

But that's not what we're talking about here.

Is the marketability, the eyes- The market chose, the people chose her.

The fan base chose her.

But she also doesn't suck either. It's not like she was just chosen.

When Steph Curry coming in the league, you're not going to think Steph Curry is Steph Curry now. That's what we're saying. You know what I'm saying? That's exactly what we're saying. When Steph Curry came in the league, everybody was hitting him around, throwing him, even his own teammate. I'll get him the ball for him. I'll get him the ball for him. Give me the ball. I'm going to down the line. Who got the record? So they didn't see it in the beginning. Like Gil said. They didn't see it in the beginning, but the league started to change. Next thing, you know what? Every guy and girl wants to be like Steph Curry. That opened the doors.

Hey, you What do we see now.

Yeah, people are jacking from the volleyball line.

So she's going to be- I've seen a kid on AAU the other day, man, come down half-court Liza.

I mean, LaVar Ball, shoot them up for three times a row from half-court. I said, I can't watch this.

But when it goes in, it's super exciting.

When it goes in one for seven.

I don't see that shit. It was so funny as I was at the Sparse game. I was at the Sparse game. She made two threes at the end.

Oh, yeah, that was it?

The whole crowd lit up.

That's when it lit up.

Like she had 50. That's all. They're coming to see her shoot that.

20,000 people come to the game.

Listen, people don't realize that the WMBA girls don't realize this. They're They're not coming to see her win.

Because they're not winning.

They're two and nine. They're coming to see her shoot shots from half court. If she goes over 20, she hit the one, they're going, it's your job. My business to do great while they're watching her. That's what you do. Asia Wilson, all them girls. You do what you do when the eyes were on you. Like, man, that nigga on the other team I had about 35 and 14. What's her name? I think I want to market her. I think she can do well in these shoes, and that's what happened.

But LA also has... I mean, they have a nice marketing piece over there, too, in their rookie. And Cameron Brink. She has the shoe deal. She has Kim Kardashian in the locker room.

The whole class has put this whole class.

It's built off the Candice Parker's work, the Diane Tarassi's work, the Sabrina.

You, man, who haven't known the three-point contest with Steph Curry. I can't even get a three-point contest with Steph Curry, and I'm going to leave with. You know what I'm saying?

She's automatic. Who going to be in there this year?

Kaylyn Clarke. Kaylyn Clarke. Both of them. You're going to get somebody.

They don't care who it goes. They might put Ben Simmons.

Don't let her win.

They might put Ben just so she can get to win.

Don't let her win.

She beat the man.

I like where it's going.

I like where it's going. I think you're about to start seeing more NBA players, possibly coaching WNBA games. Really? I'm telling you. I think the announcement is going to change. I think the coaching is going to change.

Every aspect, because right now it's been so handicapped. The Aces, they have a great job because obviously, they got one of the richest owners, and they're handicapping him from spending his money.

Because of salary cap.

Because of salary cap. And he's ready to... Because he knows you can't afford your I can, though. So once they open up the floodgates and say, All right, do you? Now, if I want to compete with you, I got to spend money, too. Now, I got to get a new investor if I ain't got that bread. Now, he can buy a plane. Now, I got to buy a plane because you got a plane.

Or, you know what? Fuck that. Let me buy your team. New guy, new company, new lady. Let me buy your team.

And that's what they don't see. They don't see their competitive in business. Just like people didn't know in '87, Detroit had the first private plane. Really? I didn't know that. Yeah. So the two years they won the Championship, they get to fly early. Yeah.

So was everybody thanking Isiah Thomas for the private plane? No, they hated it. They hated it.

You're all are cheating. You all get into the city. Because back then- You all get into the city before us. Yes. When we play, we got to stay over. So let's say we have a back to back, right? We play the night, we stay the night, leave in the morning, go to the hotel, freshen up, and then go to the game. Detroit already there. So they won a Championship, and everybody's like, No, we need a plane, too.

Damn, Detroit before the Lakers is crazy.

We need a plane, too.

And then Nowadays, if you don't have a plane, it's crazy.

They said Bulls was on the whole... John Sally said Bulls was on a whole nother level.

Really?

They come pull up to the hotel. They got gourmet meal just waiting for them. They're Kings.

So does everyone not have... Everyone has planes now, right?

The plane service is now the plane. You're on Delta? I got a deal for you. I need about 50 planes. You got the NBA contract, though, but I need 50 of your planes. So mostly everyone, except when I was with the Rockets, we had Our own plane. But everyone else that I played for, it was all Delta plane.

Who was the last one to get a plane? Was there somebody who was late to the party?

I don't know. I don't know. It would sound like Clipper is probably the last.

Donald Sterling is. You would spend that now.

When when I was When I was in a league, they didn't have a practice facility. They worked at the Boys and Girls Club. Who? The Clippers. 2005, '06, '07. Blake was the guy that they build an arena around. Practice facility. Everybody before that, early 2000s, they had a nail on the wall. That's where they put their practice uniform. So there was no going back after to the gym. There was none of that. So when they pulled up to the Boys and Girls Club, they had to crack the door because nobody was going to get robbed out there.

Damn. No wonder they shot.

I'm over here They bring in my car. I'm in the Boys and Girls Club in the hood.

They say they was getting robbed out there.

In the hood, though. They're robbing Chris Kamen. They're robbing Oliver Candy, bro. That's nasty, bro.

No, WMBA. How do you like WMBA as a fan?

I've been watching more this year. I never really watched that because of Kaitlyn Clarke. But I'm not even just... I'm watching the Liberty Games. I'm not even just watching Kaitlyn Clarke. I'm watching across the board.

Yeah, makes you watch everybody.

Yeah, I'm more interested because I know more players. It's a little bit more interesting. I want to see which one of them is going to beat the shit out of her, pull her hair, whatever. I like that shit, but maybe a lot of people can't admit that, but it makes it more intriguing. There's more for people to talk about, and she didn't really get hurt. It was like a tough foul. I think tough fouls happened in the lines of ball.

Like I said, I did that to Liza Ball. Like I said, I did that to Liza Ball. They made like I was the best thing in the world, all because no one liked his dad.

Exactly.

Not anything that had to do with him. Great basketball player. Went to UCLA, left early, Cali kid. First game. I get the message, they, Oh, Pat, you see what they gave you first game?

Who?

No way. Lines of ball. First game. The first game, you put Liza Ball against Pat Bia. First game, his rookie, first game.

So you did the same thing you wanted to make an example, or what was your mentality?

You wanted to make a fucking example. I don't want to be his dad talking about me the next day. The only thing I kept hearing is LaVar. Lavar bought... Remember LaVar, he all on ESPN. What are you doing? He doing, Man, this man, Daddy, ain't about to be talking to me crazy. I ain't even got a daddy. I'm not even going to call my daddy, take up for me. You feel me? This motherfuck daddy coming and talking about me. No, I'm jealous, too. You got daddy. I'm jealous. So I'm with you, your brother, all these motherfuckers. You're all because of I did. So, yeah, that's why I'm.

He's got a feeling. Yeah, this is La Bar, Lanzos.

Who the other one?

It's the third one. Jell-o.

Jell-o. I see him in smoke, too. Yeah, all because of La Bar. I mean, that's how it is, though.

But you were on the Bulls with him.

I He hurt, though. He hurt, though. But Dilo would tell you the same thing. I first got to... He played in the game. Him and Kobe was on the same team. The only thing I just think of him, I can't look at me crazy. I know I can lock up Kobe. Fuck, let me get Jory Clarks and Dilo as I pop their ass. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, Kobe, this is who you want these light skin motherfuckers. Say less. I got you. Type shit like that.

Welcome to the League moments are a thing, though. It's like everybody's always asking, Hey, what was your Welcome to the League? But then Calin Cark has a Welcome to the League moment, and everyone's Because usually, the Welcome to the League moment is usually on some gifted player, giving you buckets or something, making you fall, dunking on you.

Usually, it ain't getting close-lined or nothing like that.

Got it. It was excessive.

It's excessive if that's not what you do. If that's not the type of player you are and you're going out your way to do something, then yeah. But if you are that type of player, and you're aggressive, you like to hit-And Kennedy, she's one of those type players. We She does it like, Yeah, she do that. You know what I mean? It's expected.

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Give him a three.

Because the top three best players, I think, is almost consensus. Steph, LeBron, Durant. Of the 2010s, of that entire decade. Can you argue with any of those before we even go any further? So who is the fourth best player of that decade?

Options left. Westbrook, James Harden. Anthony Dade.

Anthony Dade, too.

Who do you think? Wow.

Fourth best player. Okay, so I don't know why I do this. It's unfair to both of them.

Okay.

But I always group James Harden and Westbrook together because I can't pick, and I don't like that. I got to pick one, right? So when I only got one spot left, I just put them both together. But for me, they both killed. And there was a 20, I guess someone said, Who has been the best dominant to? And they have Kyrie and Luca, right? And nobody remembers 2019, 2020, James Harden and Westbrook because of COVID. When one was averaging 34 and the other one was averaging, what, 27 and 7. No one thought because COVID happened, so everybody didn't pay attention to what those two were doing. I'm a Harden fan, but I'm a Westbrook fan. I got to go with the dude who have four triple doubles. You're going Westbrook?

In a decade. I'm going to go James Hardin.

So we close it up. James Hardin? Yeah, so we close it up.

And that's hard because I played with... Honestly, before you got MVP- You played with Russ as well? Yeah, but that was- At the time?

At the time.

Got And Russ went and joined James Harden, too.

And James Hard is MVP. He's winning 66 plus games, what, 66 games, whatever that year. Scoring at the clip he was.

Can't go wrong.

But with them two is so hard, man.

It's so hard.

So it's only down to those two because I'm going to introduce a third name to the conversation, Kawhi Leonard.

No. No? No. Not at all? I don't give him why that.

But he has multiple ships.

He do. But the way he got them, James It was hard. He had the ball all the time.

But he had zero chips.

Every decision was made on him.

I'm never going to... At this point in time, I can never knock- You said best player. I can never knock Kawhi because what he done in a weird way has been dominant in a weird way. It's not conventional. He asked Spurs, one, and I was like, I don't like it. And then he goes to San Antonio. I mean, he goes to Toronto, wins over there. And me, I'm finding an excuse. Well, they were number one the whole time. Lebron out of there. If Derozen was there, they would have won it because LeBron is out of there. They only lost to LeBron for the last four, five years. They were number one last year. So you went to the best team. I don't respect it. I just tried to figure out a way. And then when I'm just sitting there watching them up close, just warming up, just let me see. Just shot, shot. Okay, so he shoots the shit off the ball at the mid-range, right? And then now I'm trying to defend him. How am I going to guard this man? And I'm like, Damn, he can shoot that. Then I started respecting that he knows how to just get a bucket.

He just knows how to put the ball in the basket, and he knows how to get a stop when he needs it. He's just a winner. He's just the definition of a winner. You put him on a bad team, he's going to figure out how to get wins. So I can't take away what he's done. But when it comes to the best player, is the guy who had to carry it on his shoulder night in, a night out, and had to be James Harden or Westbrook.

I think there's almost like an inverse quality to how James Harden, incredible during the regular season, couldn't get it done in the playoffs. And then Kawhi does... He is able to get it done in the playoffs on multiple teams. If you do it on multiple teams, there is definitely something to be said about it. But go ahead. What's giving you pause in this?

It's easier to guard James Harding in the playoffs. Why? Because this game is the same as in regular season. So if I know, all right, he going to do the pick a roll, I can find this combo. So now what ends up happening is I take the playbook and I'm looking at it.

As soon as he goes tween tween, go double team his ass.

And then I was like, okay.

That's who he throwing the ball to, Pat Biv. Now, I'm catching him up for like this. He didn't do it to me all year.

He didn't get back. What ends up happening is just over time, I'm letting his bad habits beat him. I can beat him his bad habits, which means if he gets comfortable doing something, he going to keep doing. Or he hit two threes in a row, he's going to come down, take two heat checks. He checks, he takes in the first quarter. Fuck, he still do it in the last three minutes of the game. If he loses the ball, he don't hustle back. So if he don't hustle back, he just looks at the ref. Boom. So two bad shots, two turnovers. He didn't get back on, so he didn't He gave up four points on some easy stuff. That's what's beating James Harden in the playoff. He hasn't realized there's things you do in the first quarter, you can't do in the fourth. You can't play every quarter the same way.

Can't they double-team one more time?

And then I'm going to double-team you, so I'm just going to let you- It's different double-teaming.

You had 3.9.

Then catching the post. But wasn't going to the Clipper supposed to be the antidote for that? Where it's like, you can't double-team. I was heard.

That's where I was hurt. One of the best players. This year? Their best player was hurt.

But still, you got to be... One thing that I had to learn, and I learned from players and watching players studying them, that you have to be self-aware on your mistakes and trying to clean them up. If you're looking at the accolades you're getting and not improving your skill in your game and your knowledge, then when it's winding down for you, your mistakes will show his ugly head. You can only live on athleticism for so long. The reason LeBron has been able to sustain it, if you watch him today, that wasn't him in 2004 and '05. Two different players. This one's smarter. He's gotten wiser and smarter on how he attacks and when he attacks versus the young LeBron flying down the court 100 miles an hour. This one's going 70, but it looked like it's 100. That one, it felt like 100. It looked like 200.

When you got hit by that brawn- And looked like 200.

When you got hit by brawn, them 2000... Man.

It hurt. What?

He don't even look to hit you no more. He bombed.

I sprained my wrist, man. I had to take Toradol. Then hyper extended my knee because I couldn't feel my knee no more. Toradol. All from trying to heat coming down and I try to hit one of those.

I told him up for one time. He had me in a post one time. He banged that bitch. It felt like As a cartoon, you on concrete and your legs just go back in the concrete. It felt like that, bro. I couldn't do anything. Usually, I take a second bump. He bumped me on my two feet, like flying back there. I could do nothing. But yeah, Brian, he's different animal.

Different. Different. No love to Chris Paul or Anthony Davis in this discussion? Do either of them even belong in the discussion?

Cp up there, too. Cp up there, too. Ad up there, too.

I'll be calling I call it twin-er players. When you say all decade players, right?

They're on the...

They're in that they got drafted in the middle of a decade.

Like Yannis, like 2014.

So he got drafted in so he Again, be part of that decade. And then the 2020s, he's fallen off a little bit. So you either want to be at the beginning of the decade where you got about... So if I got 2000, 2003, I'll start kicking into my stuff. You have to be very, Very talented to be drafted like 3,000, 4, 5, 6, and still make that decade team, which would be somebody like LeBron, Jordan, stuff like that. Other than that, the people who get drafted in 2000, let's say the sevens, that seven or eight, You're going to be very great in the next era.

Because you'll be right into your prime.

Because you done got those first rookie years out of you, and then you just took off. So somebody like Chris Paul, you're coming in in the middle of AI, Duncan, Tracey McGrady, Kobe era. And then everybody who got drafted a little bit after you, as soon as 2010s come, boom, here they come. The Derrick Roses, the Steph Currys, the Hardens, all of them, and you get lost.

I want to ask you a question about your past.

Can I ask the question? Okay, please. Can I say something before you ask the question?

You say something first, then I'll ask the question.

I got to give a shout out before you get that question before we leave. Boston Celtics, right? We give a lot of credit to the players. We give a lot of credit to the young coach, right? I'm giving credit to Sam Caseo, right? He should have a head coaching job.

He was great with the Sixers.

He was great with the Clippers.

Western Conference final, Eastern Conference final, Eastern Conference final. He's been there. So I just wanted to shout out Sam Casseo.

Why does he not have a job?

I don't know.

That's a great question. Earlier, so I had him in Washington. Amazing dude, man. He was like, He used to challenge me in my mid-range because I remember I was like, Yeah, I'm one of the best shooters in the world. Three, one hand, whatever. He was like, How about mid-range? I was like, I never had a mid-range challenge. Are you trying to challenge me? He was like, I'm going to make 88. That ain't nothing I made. On the dot, 88. I'm like, Damn, what the hell? I made 86. So he irritated me on that. But the things that he had do and- He motivated. Yeah, it was crazy.

He played One-on-one. If he's with the Philly, he's with the Sixers, we play Philly, no matter if it's home or away, we come in. He's training someone who's shooting at my shooting time. Every time we see each other, we play one-on-one. You can have on low top fucking shoes. You got to, I'll be ready your black ass. Hold on with your black ass. I'll be down there in a whole minute. Get the ball, you get one possession. I got a guard. Since he was my coach on the Clippers until now, we played this year. My fuck is 100 years old.

It looks at What?

With Shay. With Maxi. You know what I'm saying? With Tatum. So he needs his coaching job?

Before he wanted to be... He didn't want to be a head coach. He loved that assistant.

I know Doc going to be mad because that's not going to make it.

He was like, I want to be the assistant coach. I want the player. I want to be with the players. I want to teach the players. When you're a head coach, then them motherfucks hate you. You ain't playing them. They don't like you no more. As an assistant, man, you get to really talk to players, get to understand players. But that was then. Maybe now he might want to be and step into that role. He deserves it. Definitely.

I didn't know people didn't want to be a head coach. I thought that that was everybody's end goal if I'm not getting the coaching.

Once you're head coach, you don't go right, you fire, you might not be head coach ever again.

But think about your relationship as an assistant coach, and then your relationship as a head coach, as an assistant coach, they don't like him. They like you. So you getting personal with the player.

Yeah, Samy, man, come on, man.

Talk to Doc, man, for real, man. Talk to his dad. Now you become the dude like, Hey, man, talk to that man. You become him. You become that dude now. A lot of people don't want to lose their relationships and their With the player themselves.

So he could be an integral part, especially if they win this. Somebody's going to get a job, right?

I mean, they say that every day, the Milwaukee Bucks trying to make him... And I knew Doc was going to try to give him back. He went in a Championship, I think he'll be the highest paid assistant in the NBA.

Yeah, Doc, 100%. Doc going to have him back. That's Doc's guy.

That's his good job.

But he's probably going to want a head coaching job. I mean, I guess he's not talking- He deserves it. But which job? The LA job? Cleveland job?

I think for somebody like Sam, you got to start slow. I don't mean slow as any NBA team, but the pressure from outside media. It's different from different places and different coaches, so you got to be ready for all of that. But can he coach an NBA team right now? Yes.

You never wanted to be a coach, did you? No.

He'll be a great coach. Because I'll go to him and be like, Hey, Aguil. Come on, Pat. You already know my answer. Double team that motherfucker. It's 15 seconds left. Okay, cool. I'm going to go off the motherfucker who been in that position. You know what I'm saying? So he'll be a great coach. But people who really be great coaches, they don't want to be coaches. It's the weirdest thing.

Because we got to deal with ourselves.

You got to deal with a motherfucker just like you, young.

More money. We're going to run this play. All right. And he'll be like, Oh, no, no, no, no, And that's what it is, right? As a coach, you're trying to put the team in the best position to win. Has nothing to do with the star himself. The star himself has his own playbook in his brain, and he has his own algorithm moving. And I have to somehow trust him, but also trust the team. And that becomes the dilemma.

And trust your instance.

And your instance like, All Do I? I remember when I'm three for 10, I'm three for 16 at this point, and Larry Hughes is bawling. Coach draws up a play.

Who to play with for her? Larry.

Chicago.

What are you doing? Game five. What are you doing? That's my play. I do this.

So right before I go out there, Coach said, I know what you're going to do. That's why I got the whole offensive in that way. Okay. I see the play, boom. Left Kyriek shot.

And you were cool with it?

No, it was I took the shot.

Oh, you took the shot. Got it.

So it was a double pin down, double baseline. Oh, got it.

He called the play I'm going to go for Larry knowing I was going to break it.

I'm going left. Who was the coach? Eddie Jordan. Great coach. And I remember we sat down. I remember we sat down in summer. He said, Listen, my playbook ain't for you. It's for the team. You figure out, here's the playbook. You figure out how to score in it.

So you had permission to break it down.

But he knew that coming in. Because we bumped his the first year.

And he was like, The playbook is for team, your individual, I'm trying to figure out how to be an individual within the team concept. Here's the playbook.

That's gangsta.

So I'm looking at it. I got the playbook. I'm drawing new plays up. You know what I mean?

No, I don't like that. I'm like, I got something for you, Pat.

And then I'm sitting there like, Yo, I swear to God. I had plays for everybody. And then we went into training camp. Ain't no defense. All we're doing is working on play offense. He's like, I ain't got time for defense. We got all these new plays and all these little add-ins, and we just got to add them in. Damn. What's your question? I learned, but that's where I learned my coaching style from my high school coach, Lou Oson, Eric Muscleman. Even Crazy Stan Van Gunde. I used to be like this, man, this out of bounds player is a phenomena. I mean, a horrible people person, but phenomenal in the place. The place, he going to get you a good shot off the plate. People person, no, you're not going to like him.

It'll be like that.

So you never even coach? What about even your kids or some shit like that?

I've coached AAU. I've won games. Parents don't like my style. Why? Trying to score 100. I ain't taking a press off. I ain't taking my best player out. Shit, he got 48. I'm trying to get him to 60. I don't care about your kid crying over there. That ain't my problem. I'm trying to work his confidence. We need a new coach. That's what the thing is. The other parents will be mad, but I'm like, this is my team. My team, I got players on here trying to get their confidence. They got 48. Hey, you got two more points. Go get it.

This isn't what I was about to ask, but I just heard Andre Gdala and Evan Turner talking about this on their show. They're like, 70% of the people in AAU think that they're going to go pro. 60, 70% of everybody in AAU thinks that they're going to go pro. That's true. That's true. That they think that. They think.

That's true, that they're going to go pro. Every person that I... And I've only played AAU, listen, I've only played AAU one tournament, maybe two tournaments. I've never played a whole summer. I've never been to Atlanta Beach, but I've never been none of that shit. Every motherfucker I play, each one team I play was a motherfucker that got dragged or in the NBA.

But 70% everyone can't I know.

That's not true.

Okay. To the NBA? It's changed since we played, though. There's no more rec lead. Everybody AAU now.

Okay. Me, I have kids like me. I ain't playing, I'm just outside.

They didn't know outside. We're going to put an AAU team. Outside doesn't exist. You on a bench today, your parents start an AAU team tomorrow. Okay. Right? So now, AAU is so diluted. You will see, all right, we got Cooper flagging them today. And then a tough game, triple overtime. And then we play a team by the end of the first quarter, we can't even play no more. And are they going to quit? They can't even score because they got put in the wrong bracket. You got stuff like that. I tell parents, Look, I said, Listen, man, genetics is a real thing. I said, Your son, He's the best player on the court today. But you five, five. The father's five, five. He five, two. In sixth grade, that's it. He's only got three more. You only got three more inches. There's nowhere to go. That's it. He's stronger. He already got his motor skills. He's a guard. He got his motor skills. All the six, seven, six, eight, six, nine, seven footers, they're not going to kick in to sophomore, junior year.

And they Draft in them motherfuckers. Man, so I can't. Mouthful, K-Hoop, B7, 1, get drafted. They're going to get drafted.

Yeah, 100 %. And then they have ratings the kids who is the best 10-year-olds. Here's the 100 best 10-year-olds. So there's a 10-year-old who could dribble like crazy. But they've also He got to be maxed out as far as their genetics and where they could go at a young age. And then they have this expectation that they're going to go pro. Dude, I don't think everyone can go.

Who's the guard that I've seen? He was an A. U. He's been an A. U. On the Internet for a long time. Julian Newman? Yeah.

I knew exactly who you're talking about.

Hey, man, that's my little guy. Look, I- Latin, Hispanic? Yeah. When I first came to the internet- What year? I'm watching.

Is he a man?

No, he's a man now. He's a young kid.

He's in his early '60s or something like that. 2021.

He's 2021 now. I killed him. He's 8, 9 years old. I'm like, I dribble too much. He ain't going to eat a little bit. And killed him, not realizing, Oh, man, it's a little kid. What's wrong with me? Him changed the way I talked about the EU because I'm killing him. I'm like, Yo, he dribbled too much in the same pain. Who's this trainer? This is horrible basketball. Then I got off the internet and I'm like, I'm acting like, This is a pro. This is a little kid. I'm over here just ripped the little kid like it's his fault. And then from there, I changed. I wouldn't talk about little kids like that. I just wouldn't. You know what I mean? I just put the thumb up, hot emojis, get a young fellow. He was the reason that because when you're a kid, man, you just looking up. You don't know what's right or wrong. It's the people that's around you that needs to really update their soft.

He was about to air out that motherfucker, though. Yeah, that's it.

He was a showman. He was a show. He was a show.

He was developing for everybody.

Ote, Built They Whole. They owe him money. How about that? They got rich off that little man. Yeah.

But it also put an unfair expectation on his ceiling in basketball. People probably saw him on these mixtapes, and they're like, Same as you've seen Lanzo Ball. It's like, I'm on his ass. I'm going to be physical with him or whatever. It's almost unfair. So what age can you start being critical of kids? I mean, you're not going to be critical of kids, but 18?

Probably college, when college, coming into the pro.

Yeah.

So not even college. College kids, you're not even going to be critical.

A little bit because it's hard to really give a really good vibe. You can't gage a college kid. That's what I was about to say. It's hard because it's a different game. It's a different game. If you look at the best The best college players or the best players that were in college, they won an award. A player of the Year. The best players has been in the NBA, Brunson, Anthony Davis won one, right? No, Zion. Zion. So Zion and Brunson.

And everybody else hasn't worked out in the NBA. No. Which is tough. Who wanted this year? Zack Ead or whatever? It's tough for him. Two times.

It's a different game, man. There's college players, and then there's pros.

That's the one for Patrick Williams. He didn't even start for his team in college. The draft is that.

Fourth overall or whatever? Yeah, right.

You know what I'm saying? It's different.

It's a different game. It's different. Okay, here's the question I was going to ask. Scrolled your Wikipedia.

Who the Hillrights? I'll be looking at like, Who is this?

That's the real high-level groupy shit right there.

Groupy shit. I'm doing preparation for an interview. What do you mean? This is journalism. That's called journalism.

You're educating yourself, my bad.

They said you ran 40 red lights. They said you ran 40 red lights in three months on a dealer plate or something like that.

Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, How the high you've been.

What are you talking about? It had its own paragraph. How you find that? But I want to say this in your defense. How you find that? There's some cities where you can do that. I know you're not doing this, but Milwaukee is one of In some cities, dude, red lights are stop, stop, stop. Bro, they don't matter. In some cities, red lights don't matter. And Milwaukee is one of them. After 11:00, you've never done this, but I've seen people just going just like...

No, I can tell you when it was because now that I'm thinking about it, it was my first two years. I'm in Oakland with a powder blue Escalade.

You can't stop.

With my rims. That's my money.

You cannot stop.

I spent all my money on that car. That's it. That's my life right there. One, I couldn't pay for tolls. So if they had a toll booth, I'm going through that. I got a dealer place. It's a dealer place, so you shouldn't be able to find me this, is what I thought.

Hey, he locked in, young age.

I'm sitting at a red light for too long. Oh, I'm done. So my license was suspended for a while.

They suspended you for that?

Listen, this is 2000. This is 2001 to '03, my license was suspended. I didn't get a California... I still don't have a California life. Hold on. If you go to my car, my license is Florida. I still haven't got a California. Yeah, they banned that I'm getting them out of college. Every time I get pulled over today, since I've been here, they ask me, Yeah, so how long are you visiting? Five days.

I'm going back to Florida.

I'm going back to Florida, five days. I've been living here since 2015. 2015.

The house of the studio.

How did you find that, though? It's got its own paragraph. I couldn't believe that they gave it a whole little paragraph.

We got to give Gil Sons of Love, too.

I got a question for you.

Talk to him.

Because I got killed for it because I feel I don't think anybody knows what generational means, but how I was told, generational. Generational because I said Steph Curry is a generational player. You got killed for that. Yeah, I got killed for that. I was like, his work ethic is why he's great. He had to work on being this great. It took him years. People who are called generational is way before they even decide to be great. Wynby is generational talent. Shaq was generational talent. Lebron, Serena. It's a physical thing. They have a gift that you can't mimic. These players don't change the game. They destroy it.

I think that you're picking the wrong word that you're zooming in on. I think that you should be zooming in for that definition is the word talent. It's not generational how often it comes around, but more that talent is this physical skillset that you're bestowed with. Because in your generation, these guys are all athletic freaks. You're saying Steph Curry is not necessarily that. Am I right?

Yeah. So how I was told was, if I can teach it, then it's not generational.

You can't teach what Steph doing.

He can work on it. I don't think he can work. No, I'm not saying was he generational before he came into the NBA? No.

He was crazy at Davidson.

No, but what I'm saying was he called a genera... No, he wasn't called. So he became a game changer.

But those who around him knew, if you knew Steph, you knew. When he was on the USA team with us, he was shooting all those same shots of Davis. Obviously, Michael B. Z, Johnny Phan. We got them up for it. Like, man, Steph, stop shooting that shit, bro. He's shooting that shit from the park. My blood shit ain't going in, bro. Stop shooting that. He passed.

That's my shot.

We're roommates everywhere we fucking go. How did you play? Still didn't play today, Steph. Everybody's picking me up full. How you shoot that bitch? Yeah, I shot it. Okay. He was having problems with it. No one knew it was going to be like that. Man, that year at Davidson. That year at Davidson, them two years at Davidson.

They had three. Three.

Yeah. Three years at Davidson. The second year in Davidson, everyone in college knew. He was invited to every camp. You don't not get He was invited to the Bron. He was invited to Bron camp, Steve Nash camp, Paul Piers camp, and Bron camp. You know, didn't nobody think he was going to do it on this level, though.

But we all knew he was going to burn it. But that's what I'm saying. But that's why it wouldn't be called Generational, because Generational is labeled before you touch something, you can look at a person and say, I can't teach Wimby what Wimby has. He was born with it. Michael Phelps. We have what? 4-6 liters of lung capacity. Well, he has 12. I can't teach you to have 12. What the fuck? He was born with it. He just happened to start swimming, which benefits him. They said, Just like a genius, right? If a genius is declared 140 above IQ test, right? 140, you are a genius. So if you have 100, and then you decide to get a bunch of A's, go to Harvard, become fucking billionaire, You're still not a genius. You're not a genius still. So success is not determined if the generational is it. It's the outliers. Like Steph, he changes the game. He's a game changer. Everybody wants to be him. How many people wanted to be... How many people was in the streets trying to be Shaq? Couldn't. Lebron. Couldn't.

Could you give us a starting five of generational talents? In the history of the game, can you give us a starting five of generational talents?

We'll make that, I knew Amsterdam starting five.

Amsterdam starting five. There you go. It'll be Wilt.

Generational.

You got Magic.

Okay.

Generational. You have Jordan. Shaq, LeBron, Wemby, Katie, maybe. I know Zion and Ja is supposed to be generational. They just haven't tapped in two.

Most of them went first overall, which fits your criteria because they were-Damn, that's cool.

They were predicted. That's crazy. He said that all day, ask for number one, too. Except Mike.

Mike didn't. I'm sorry, Ja didn't, and KD. But everybody else went one overall. Magic?

Magic went one?

Yeah. It's almost this predetermination of success because of their physical attributes or whatever.

That's what I said, the Bo Jacksons. I had to go through. I did a study on what makes a Bo Jackson. I said, Venus Williams. I was like, No, she's a hard worker. It was designed so Serena Williams Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods, right? You've never seen anything before him like that or after him with the same body type and everything, right? They said, braided, hard worker. Cam Newton, 6'4 with that body. That's the difference maker. It's interesting. They might not all be to pan out, but they had the best advantage. Or, Vince Carter, you have the best advantage. I can't teach what you have.

I'm glad you included Michael Phelps because all of them had something in common. I'm trying to put my finger on it other than Michael Phelps. I don't know.

I'll think of it later on. Wingspan, handspan. Wingspan. When people talk about Jordan, even though he's 6'6, normal. Hands, different. Not normal. Jumping ability, different. 48-inch vertical still ain't been beat yet.

What about Wayne Gretsky, though?

Wayne Gretzky?

People might be like, Oh, he's an average-size guy. But they did races then at the time, foot races, at the time where everybody would... Different sports everybody would run, and he smoked everybody. He's like a skater, so you don't know how fast he is, but his legs and quads are like...

Ovechkin.

Oh, that's a good one.

You got them. They're here. A lot of them become successful. They don't. There's a lot of geniuses that sitting under the bridge, sitting with 180-something IQ, can't identify with human beings. But he's a genius. Interesting. He just didn't become a billionaire.

I like that he had never seen anyone before them or after them.

I can't teach you it, and it's that.

I'm trying to think of something that didn't pan out.

That's a great one. With Steph, With Steph, we can say this. It's no different with Kobe, no different with a braided. They changed the game. The human being himself might not be a generational talent, but what he did was generational. His shooting is generational. His man passing and thought process is generational.

In some ways, you're classifying freak athletes.

It's freak athletes.

You're saying these guys are absolute freak athletes.

Yes. If we said, all right, nobody touch a sport, and we put all these guys together, and Jerry Rice and Curry is in there, and we say, all right, we're about to do something that's competitive. Pick. Who's last? That's right. These two niggas look normal. Right?

No, straight up.

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Because I used to do random study, man, what made people great? I wanted to identify. I wanted to identify greatness. Two parent homes, one parent home. What was the father? Genetics. What was the atmosphere? Somebody like Kirby and Clay didn't come from the hood. So somebody who was a Jimmy Butler them, Their fear of hunger and being poor and coming from this environment, they didn't want to be in this environment anymore, drove them to be great. All right, what's the other side look like? Like the grand hills and what What's making them work? Love. So then you identified the ways to make it to your profession is either fear of staying where you are or you love it so much that you're obsessed with it. It's the only two roads.

Damn.

I don't think being an MBA and being from humble beginner, I don't think one is bigger than the other now.

No.

Because I used to think I used to want to force myself to, I got to edge over these motherfuckers. The hunger. I done sold this. They ain't never been out there with these type of guys. I done did this. I done slept in a car some nights. Shit don't mean nothing.

Not anymore. That's what I'm saying because it's the love. It's the fear and the love. Right now, that's the real battle.

Are there guys still coming from really dire circumstances? I'm trying to think of stories that I've heard in the last couple of years.

You probably have some of those guys.

Yeah, you have some guys that- But then it's just like you see, it's like with the AAU stuff or the blindside economy where it's just a rich white family will be like, I'm with us now. It's not as... It seems rare, but someone has to tell a story. But for the most part, once someone identifies talent, they already done embrace that. They're going to pay him. We're going to put him in a private school. We're going to get him from where he is. We're going to move him. We're going to set him up with this family. That happens more than not. That's why private school is popping now. Where do you think the talent is coming from? It ain't coming from their neighborhood. I can tell you that. Them kids at Sierra King ain't coming from Chatsworth. They've been flown out.

We got to talk about this time while we're here before we go. Before we go, please.

We got to give them his props. You What do you think?

Because we just had Greg Anthony on, right? And he talked about Cole Anthony coming up. Cole Anthony didn't even know if he wanted to play. He just fell into it a little bit. Was it the same way with your son?

Same way, right? Because when he was 8, 9, 10, it was like right around when I was leaving the league and I wasn't fucking with him no more. So I wasn't watching basketball. I'll have the ball and I'll be dribbling, right? And then we just playing around, dribble the ball. So what's funny is he knew how to dribble the ball before he even knew what basketball was.

Just from seeing you.

Yeah, just because I have a ball and we'll be dribbling and he'll just be bouncing and doing all this stuff. And I put him like a little... He didn't know what a basket was. He didn't know it does this. He didn't know it does this. He just knew we didn't watch it, none of that. And then I remember I got a call from Coach Darryl from the Cav. It was my rival growing up. He was like, Hey, man, do you have a son by the name of I was like, Yeah, yeah. That's my son's name, too. I was like, Something happened to him? He was like, No, he just entered my program. I said, My son don't play basketball, though. He was like, Yeah, it looks like that. I was like, This ain't Gilbert's son. I was like, No, man. He played soccer, man. He's never touched a basketball before. Never played. So he played soccer. He was a soccer player. Great soccer player. Him and big boy son, Jaden. So they played, and Jaden played basketball, too. So Jaden played all the sports. So at school, since they're best friends on the soccer team.

He was like, Oh, man, what are you doing? He was like, Can I go play basketball. He was like, Can I come with you? And then that's how he ended up on a team.

Wow.

And then from there, it was like, I wasn't going to push him on him. And then he scored his first bucket. Then he started liking it. And then from there, we started training. Then I realized he had a skill of it because he had footwork already.

From soccer.

Then from there, it was just, All right, if you like it. Right now, he still don't love it. He don't even understand that word yet. He like it because he know he's good at it.

He's real good, though.

He wakes up at 5, go out there and shoot.

Sounds like he loves it.

But he don't... No, not yet.

What's the difference? What's the difference?

He's gaging the love of the game based on his love of the game. You got to think. I came to the gym and watched him like, Oh, my goodness. What is going on? Me and Joe Bowen, assistant coach in Minnesota. I tell the story all the time. Walking the hoop, 10 Groba spot. I've seen this motherfucker playing, man. Headphones on. Everybody back then had a rebound. Everybody. No rebound. He rebounded his own sugar. Headphones in, running back to head, half-court, shooting and getting in the back, running back to half-court, shooting. So his gage of love is very different from the normal human being. I'm going to say that first?

The reason is I've seen the person they call the Mamba. I've seen it with my own eyes. It's like, imagine you got to see what What greatness look like, right? And then you got a chance to train yourself. From my second year, I watched Kobe year after year, 500 shots, same spot, arguing with the person who's arguing with the trainer because the trainer ain't guard them tough enough. Yelling at him, kicking them out. This is not how Rajah Bell going to guard me. He ain't even playing this, son. He playing us. This man got Rajah I bailed on his mind. He ain't even playing. He playing. I had to look at this. He ain't playing Rajah for another two weeks. He's already training for him. I've seen him shoot one year, 500 shots with his left hand. Didn't shoot not a left hand shot until he hurt his shoulder two years later.

But then he was ready.

He prepared for if he ever hurt himself, he don't have to lead the game. I broke my thumb. Kobe got to go, I've been training for this last five years. Ready?

We good? My left hand. Here we We good. I got it.

I've seen someone who... There's all the success in the world. Three champions, that's out of the window. I've seen what it looked like in practice And I'm not even in this practice. I'm before the game, three o'clock.

So it's like seeing a Jean, like a Michelangelo, or Einstein.

So when I see this, I'm like, No, no, no.

It's different though.

I've seen what brews under some people's thought process. There's someone that's thinking like him. There's a defensive player that's like you that don't like your name just because it's your name. You're going to have to face this man. And if you're not mentally prepared for him, it's lunch meet. And if you take your lunch the first time, goddamn it, he going to keep taking it. To the buffet. Yeah. So you got to be... You got to think like him. You got to be out there.

I've learned it from A, we coached the Under Armor game, right? We coached the Under Armor game. We coached the Under Armor game. There was a guy on the team named Jack. I forgot his name. What is his name?

Ian Jackson.

He introduced me to a whole 'nother mind that I didn't know the game of basketball had, these young guys. I I walked to him, pulled him aside. I go, Ian, hey, man, you all are young guys. I know when I was growing up, you feel me? I was just going outside that hoop and training by myself. You all do that? He know it. He know that. All these guys you see, I train with all of them. Imagine, I don't know, my draft back. Me, Ricky Rubio, Steph Curry, Tarek Evans, James Hard, Brengen, Johnny Fland, Nicholas Clay because he's a goat overseas.

Florida.

All of us training together for four years. We're going to get better-Naturally. Naturally. And that's why they're getting better.

Like that tight-end U shit.

That is why they're getting better so fast. This generation of kids, they getting better- Because they're teaching each other. Every day. They're playing one, they're doing one V1. I had never heard a one V1 since I was an adult. What the fuck is one V1? One fuck check ball. Man, you owe me a one V1. You remember last I want to be one V1, I won at 80 guys. Remember, we got to play a game, and they doing this, and they do the two V2s, and they doing the two V1s, and they doing the three. They're pushing basketball so much within themselves that by the time they get to college, they'll be ready.

What? You know the bad part about it Because we've never seen it before. What did we say? They're friends. They're friends. They're too cool. Not realizing that they're sharpening each other. Every day. Every single day. So now when you got these kids out here doing these moves, we never seen it. They've been practicing against each other.

Iron sharpens iron. It's not a deal. Damn. Interesting. Great pot. Well, dude, congrats to your son. Congrats to you on your personal success. No problem. Thank you, bro.

Thanks for having us at your show. No problem.Thank you, bro.Thank you for having us at your show.Thank you, everybody.If you all don't follow, follow the Gilbert Arena show, please. What's a Shai McCant show?Move.

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That's your man.

Even though he irritates the shit out you, man, he funny, man.

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