The Four. Is the Four going extinct? Maybe that's the bigger conversation.

That's the conversation we need to have.

Last week, we did our top five centers. Top five centers. So now it's time. Since we're talking power forwards, I want to know, Pat Bèves, New Amsterdam, starting five. Top five power forwards in the league.

Top five power forwards. Top five power forwards. Okay, here we go. I'm not doing one through five. I'm just naming five guys. Is that fair? Any order.

It doesn't matter the order. You don't have to have it.

So this is no order. I'm going Carl Anthony Towns. I'm going somewhere in there, Jalen Duran. Is he a five or a four?

I think he's a five.

Okay, we'll take his ass out.

Take his ass out.

Draymond Green. What show Draymond in there? That's two. Who on Philly? No, four. Who on Nicks? No, four. No, Randall? Who on Nets? Nets, no, four. Chicago, no, four. Cleveland? No, four. Clippers? No, four. Lakers. Does LeBron count as power for it?

What are you calling him these days?

No, he can't put them. He do everything.

He can't put them in there. I think he's a three still.

A three, so LeBron, no four. Sacramento Kings, no 4. Diver Nuggets, Aaron Gordon, he's one.

So he's friends for you?

Four it is then. Fuck it. He's a four. He's in there. I give Aaron Gordon that. He's a winner. He's won a Championship before. That's Denver. Phoenix. Is Katie a four? I don't look at him as a four.

No, I give him three.

I give him three. So Portland, no one on that team is fucking good. Washington Wizards.

That can't be true.

It's not a lot of fours out there.

You're missing the biggest one.

Who's the biggest one?

You're in this country right now, and you play with him this week.

Greek Freak is not a four.

Well, you didn't put him on your five list.

He's a three.

No, no, no, he's not.

Greek Freak is the three. Are you crazy? What? Chris Middleton, Dame Lillard, Greek Freak. What are you talking about?

And then who else was in the starting Who's the one?

Pat Biv.

Right.

Brooklyn Lopez.

Okay, so you were the four?

No, I didn't even look as Greek. Who was your four? I didn't look at Greek. I don't look at Greek as a four. I ain't going to lie. What? I don't. What? I look at Greek as... I put Greek in the same position as I put Wemby, Greek, Braun, KD, positionless basketball. So I don't look at them as position. Not those guys.

Yeah, he's a four.

You can't say you're a four and you're playing a point.

But just because he's bringing the ball up, that means he's a point?

Just because he's seven foot, does that make him a four?

But he is a four.

He's not a four. He's literally started off playing part guard.

Who does he guard?

It's based on who you guard that makes you a four?

I think if you look at the- Then LeBron is a four.

Then KD is a four. If you're going off who you guard-Okay, then- That's what I'm saying.

You can add them to the four conversation if you want.

But I'm not. They're all threes. They're all threes. Those guys are all threes. They're just tallest ones.

Greek can't be a three.

I'm I'm confused. Are we talking about the same Greek freak? Yeah. The Nassus is his older brother.

Yeah. Kostas.

He's a three. What do you mean? This guy played point guard his whole life. He's never played the four.

Call him now, bro. See if he could...

No, I'm not calling him Greek now.

Text him to see, are you a three or a four?

He going to say, I'm everything, Pat. He's going to pat them everything. Yeah. So, yeah, he's...

I don't count him. Okay. But then Draymon is everything then.

Yeah, but he's at the four, though. You know what I'm saying? He's at the four.

Okay, so who's your list so far? Draymon, Aaron Gordon.

Carl Anthony Towns.

Carl Anthony Towns.

I mean, the four is becoming extinct. I don't know, man. Who else you got?

I have two or three more.

Okay, let me here.

Cee O'Kam?

Cee O'Kam is a three. Cee O'Kam is not a four.

So the NBA teams start two threes then?

They do. That'll make you a four. Four is Carl Anthony Towns. Even Aaron Gordon is a three. He played three or Orlando, but I'm giving him a four because you feel me like that side is a Denver Nuggets.

Zian. He's a four.

Zian is a four. Zion's in there.

Zion's in there.

Zion's in there. Bankaro. Zion is in there.

Bankaro.

Who?

Paolo Bankaro.

He's a three. Wagner. Frank. I give it to him. I put him in the four. I give it to him.

So that's your list?

That's my list. Wait, so say him again. Carl Anthony Towns. Not in ranking. Not in ranking. Carl Anthony Towns, Aaron Gordon, Zion.

Wagner. Are you taking out Gordon?

No, I'm keeping Gordon in there.

But you just said he's a three.

But I have to keep him in there. He's a four. I'll give him four.

Some other ones, Lory, Markanin?

Is he a four? Yeah, he a four. Let me redo my list.

And then before you do it, another one that I want to throw in there is a Jaron Jackson.

Oh, Memphis.

Defensive player of the year.

He's a four. Okay, I'm redoing my list. Karl Anthony Towns, Zion, Jaron Jackson, Lory marketing. Draymond's definitely still got to be in there.

That's the list?

That's my list.

With a big asterisk saying that Yannis isn't a four Yeah, he's not a four. Paulo isn't a four.

No, no, no. Yannis is not a four. He's positionless. So he's in a group with Wemby, Braun, Katie. Positionless basketball.

This is going to make the graphics so complicated.

I'm just being honest. It's positionless basketball. Pablo.

Paulo.

Paulo, Van Kero, Aaron Gordon, all those guys are threes. But on their team, they might have to play fours.

You said on Cleveland, Evan Mobley, not a four? Or is he a five?

He's a five, but they play two five. So what does that make the guy with the Afro, Jared Allen, a four?

Or he's a five.

So they play two fives.

Well, Karl-Anthony Towns, didn't you talk about him as a center last week?

Yeah. I talked to him about a center last year, but then Rudy got there, made him a four.

Port Zengis, Kuzma, Jeremy Grant. You have your list.

Jeremy Grant's a three. Kuz is definitely a three.

Is the four going extinct? Maybe that's the bigger conversation.

It is. That's the conversation you need to have.

Who's like, when you think about a four all time- Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Kevin McKeel. Kevin Garnett is a three, bro.

Kevin Garnett is a four. Charles Barkley, four.

Carl Malone, four. So back to basket, like low post, but not rim protector?

Yeah, something like that. Can rebound, it can push it, can score. Got to be able to score. You're a four.

But you're mostly post-up game?

Post-up game or mid-range.

But isn't that just the nature of the game is more face-to-brain.

Dirk N'Winsky is not a three, he's a four. Yeah, he played, you know what I'm saying? He's a seven-footer. What do you mean? He's center now? No, he's a four. He's a four.

Interesting. Well, I can't wait for next week when we find out who the best threes are.

That one's going to be tough. That's going to be tough. I ain't going to lie. That's going to be tough. That three is going to be tough. It's really not, though, because you got-Wait, save it for next week.

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