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The whole clown car has been unloaded. Do you care about politics? Do you have any feelings about who you would prefer to win the next election? About who would be a better choice or a worse choice as the next president of the United States? If you do have those feelings, what were you planning on doing about it this year? Because there are about 105 days left until the presidential election. So if you are going to do something about those feelings you may have about politics, you know, TikTok time is short. Were you actually planning on doing something or just watching? Yesterday, something happened that suddenly made a lot of people hear that tick tock sound a lot louder than they were hearing it before. Because before yesterday, the Biden Harris reelection campaign was apparently getting nationwide each day, maybe a couple hundred calls a day, people saying they wanted to Wilmington. It was just as we were putting the Mac and cheese out for our son and daughter. And it was amazing when my daughter, who's about to be three, pointed to the tv and said, what's that? I, I just felt goosebumps as I heard myself saying, that's Kamala Harris and she's going to be the next president. When you endorsed Vice President Harris, you said you'd do all you can to help her win. Would you serve as her vice president if she asked you to? She's going to make that decision. She's going to do it based on what's best for the country, best for the party, and best for the ticket. I will do everything in my power to make sure that she is the next president because its so important and its really most of all important in terms of how everyday life is going to change. I think another really important thing that will come of the presidents extraordinary decision and sacrifice that he made is an opportunity to really refocus this campaign on what it means for people around America.Of course, were going to talk about Kamala Harris and her extraordinary leadership and talk about Donald Trump and his unfitness for office and JD Vance and his inability to show any evidence that he believes in anything in any durable way. But honestly, most of this campaign will not be about them. It'll be about the american people. And this is a chance to really bring that home. I'm excited to be out there on the trail whenever there's an opportunity to remind people of that and remind people that they already agree with Kamala Harris and Democrats and disagree with Donald Trump and Republicans on issue after issue after issue, from taxes to gun safety to a woman's right to choose. I don't mean to be weird, and this started off weird with you asking me to call you Pete, and I can't, and that's weird itself. But if she asked, are you saying you wouldn't say no? Sure. We're just not in that mode right now. You know, we're on the second day since the president made his decision. And I trust her, by the way. Few people in the country know more about the vice presidency and about the weight of that decision that she does very much trust her to make a choice that makes sense to her that is right for the party and that's right for the country.Pete Buttigieg, really appreciate you being here tonight, sir. It's a pleasure to have you with us. And I really appreciate you taking the time. Thank you. Thanks for having me on. All right. Is that weird? No. You just listen for one word. Just listen for the word no. And I don't think you're going to hear the word no from any of the like. Well, Gretchen Whitmer said no. Gretchen Whitmer said she will not, she would not serve as vice president if she rashed. She's the only person who said no. But that wasn't a no no, not at all. It was an audible swallow. Yes. That's the question, which I think anyone who's asked the question feels of course they want. I will say, though, of course he should be considered and be on the list. And there's a huge list of people who will be considered and should be the most important thing. It is very fun to do the battleship game of this. I'm not going to lie. As a lover of politics, the most important question is not actually, in my view, what state they bring, because who knows, right? Or what electoral vote it is.Who is the person, a president Harris, sitting behind the resolute desk, or whatever the desk is, wants to call and say this is a hard decision. What do you think? And the other piece of it, even before then, is there's 105 or 106 days, depending on how you count it between now and the election. It's very short. You can't have somebody who has no profile and no charisma. You need somebody who can go out there and raise money on their own, do big events on their own. Yep. So to me, those are the big things. But she's looking potentially at an all star list of people. It's a huge bench. It's amazing. It's an amazing bench. And that's what we didn't see happen last week with Donald Trump. Right. You could love or hate JD Vance, but JD Vance is not going to bring one single voter to Donald Trump that Donald Trump didn't already have in his pocket. It's Maga, Maga squared. And from the lineup, and obviously nobody's been confirmed that we're hearing that's been reported, who Kamala Harris is potentially considering. Those are people who bring voters from different states, who bring different demographics.And that matters. When we come back, we're going to have New Jersey Senator Cory Booker with us. Senator Booker is a close friend to vice President Harris, having served with her in the Senate. We got a lot to get to tonight. Stay with us. Thanks for being here. Over the next 106 days, we are going to take our case to the american people and we are going to win. MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell. I have an obligation to find a way of telling this story, story that is fresh, that has angles that haven't been used in the course of the day to bring my experience working in the Senate, working in journalism, to try to make sense of what has happened and help you make sense of what it means to you. The last word with Lawrence O'Donnell weeknights at 10:00 p.m. eastern on MSNBC. Samuel Miller, 40 acres on Edisto. Fergus Wilson, 40 acres on Sapolo Island. Primus Morris, 40 acres on Edisto. More than 1200 formerly enslaved people got land from the federal government and then had it taken away. This was a betrayal. I'm Al Letzon, host of the reveal podcast. Our new series 40 acres and a lie is available now.Subscribe to reveal wherever you get your podcasts. Today's news requires more facts, more context, and more analysis. The world's never been harder to understand. That's why it's never been more important to try MSNBC understand more. So in the next 106 days, we have work to do. We have doors to knock on. We have people to talk to. We have phone calls to make, and we have an election to win. So are you ready to get to work? Do we believe in freedom? Do we believe in opportunity? Do we believe in the promise of America? And are we willing to fight for it? And when we fight, we will. God bless you all, and God bless the United States of America and Joe Biden. Vice President Kamala Harris, just a few hours ago at Wilmington, Delaware, campaign headquarters. Someone else who is fired up about this moment is New Jersey Democratic Senator Cory Booker. He wrote online today, quote, for the last decade, I have had the privilege of calling Kamala Harris a friend, a Senate colleague, my vice president, my sister. I cannot wait to do everything I can to help her make history and call her Madam president.You see the photo that he posted here? Jen Psaki, over to you. So joining us now that's a perfect queue up is the person in that photo, democratic Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey. Hi, Senator Booker, how are you? I'm doing great. How are you? Doing great. So, as Rachel just noted, and I know you are not just former colleagues, you are very good friends with the vice president. So I don't want to start by asking you if you've had a chance to speak with her since the news broke. It's been kind of a wild 30 hours over the last 30 hours, so you're going to embarrass me, but we missed each other last night. I kept getting text messages from her staff, but I have not talked to her yet. That's not embarrassing, but I'm very excited. You played phone tag. Yeah, well, my mom said. Yeah, well, my mom said you should make sure you're available when the vice president calls you. That's good advice from your mom. Moms give good advice. Well, let me ask you, I mean, there's so much in your history, you sat right next to then Senator Harris on the Judiciary committee, which means you had a front row seat, more front row than almost anyone else for her incredibly effective questioning of people like, say, Bill Barr.So I want to ask you, there hasn't been the debate. Donald Trump's been a little backing off of the debate here. I think there should be a debate. She should debate. Talk to us a little bit about that skill set and how it would translate to the debate stage. Yeah. Look, I got a chance to sit next to her doing some of the most important hearings in american history. Donald Trump's many of his cabinet secretaries, Supreme Court justices and more. And I will tell you, she does an extraordinary job, preparing, knowing her material backwards and forwards and has a way of getting to the heart of the matter. I'll never forget her questioning of soon to be attorney general Barr and talking to him about his enforcement of reproductive rights, or even, frankly, Brett Kavanaugh about reproductive rights. She had a way of exposing the absurdity of an administration that was determined to do everything it could to undermine women's reproductive rights. So she's effective. And I think America is going to get a master's class coming up in this election about how someone deals with Donald Trump who has been in many ways able to get away in debates and more with behavior and lies and really nobody pressing him hard on his own record and his failures and, frankly, criminal activity.Yeah, we saw, to your point, we saw that when she gave the speech today at the campaign headquarters, part of her stump speech. But I think a lot of people who haven't seen it before saw how she's going to prosecute the case against Trump. So you, as I understand it, you played a role in actually encouraging her to run Senate, which means you must have seen something in her that many years ago when she was still the attorney general of California. The country's getting to know her. You know her well. What do you hope the american people see about her, personally or otherwise, over the next 105 days? Yeah, look, I mean, she's been the vice president, dutifully supporting Joe Biden, who in no uncertain terms, I believe is the best president we've had in my lifetime in terms of delivering things. Well, she was his partner, her, in doing that. But yet at the same time, she wasn't really someone that the american public got to know at the level that they get to know their president. So I'm just excited for America to discover her truth, her heart, her character. She is someone that really passionately cares about people, especially people that are often overlooked or looked down upon.She has a moral compass that is unwavering. And I think these are things that we need in a president. She's strong, she's tough, but, God, she has some of Joe Biden's superpower of empathy and compassion and grace. So this is going to be a wonderful 106 days where I think America every day is going to discover more things about her. And what I've seen in this last 24 hours is historic. She now has set a record for both parties as being the presidential candidate who's raised the most money in a 24 hours period ever. And this just shows a sort of volcanic eruption. There has been, in many ways, I think a hunger for this kind of next generation kind of candidate, someone who represents the future, who represents our hopes and aspirations, and someone who has the kind of policy chops and leadership ability to deliver on them. I think America now wants to turn the page and start moving towards a new generation of possibility and hope. And I think that it's just going to be exciting for a lot of people, and more and more people are going to come on board.In fact, 60% of her donors had not even been involved contributing to this 2024 cycle. So it's exciting on how many people she's going to get off the sidelines and onto the field to help us win in November. No question. I mean, the last 30 hours have been historic and every democrat I talk to is incredibly energized. My colleague Alex Wagner, sitting next to me, did note earlier, which is important, important for everybody to remember, this is going to be a tough election, very tough. And I wanted to ask you just about all of the inevitable sexist and racist attacks. We've already seen them coming from MAGA World and Donald Trump and his allies over the years. It's going to pick up. I mean, part of the goal of those I just want to call out is to cut her down, but also to feed into this idea that the country isn't ready to elect an african american woman. So how should the campaign and people out there who are worried about those attacks, how should they be responding to these attacks as they inevitably. Well, I think, first of all, you call them as they are.This election is about the american people. It's about who is going to best deliver for kitchen table economics, as the Biden Harris team has already done in lowering insulin costs and lowering the cost of health care. It's about who's going to help for a better future for our young people and help with college affordability and job training. It's going to be, frankly, about women's reproductive rights and the other rights and freedoms of that seem to be rolling back by this, being rolled back by the Supreme Court. And so I think keeping the focus, not on whatever kind of slurs and hate and misogyny we're going to experience. It's not about what they say about us. It's about how much we show up every day relentlessly and tell our truth. And we as a party are bigger than a party. I have always said the democratic party at its best is the party of we and not the party of me. Its a party of inclusion and not the party of exclusion. It is the party of historic diversity, womens rights and LGBTQ rights and civil rights. Its also the party of labor and unions. These are the kind of things that I think America really wants.And you see Trump and his vice presidential nominee trying to turn in many ways distorting the truth of their project 2025 and really with a union leader speaking, trying to pretend that theres something theyre not. The american people want to be united around an administration that really is focused on american excellence and making sure that every American has been seen and valued. And im telling you thats something that Kamala Harris will do as president of the United States. Amy, Senator Cory Booker, always an uplifting message. I always love that about talking to you. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. Thank you for having me. It's great to be on what he said there about that Vice President Harris has some of the same superpower that Joe Biden has. I'm cognizant of the fact that we have described two different things as Joe Biden's superpower. One being the fact that he believes, I think he's right, that he's often underestimated. But the other being his empathy, that his means of connecting with people both through the television screen, through all the mediating forces that the president has available to him. But also one on one when he's looking people eye to eye, is that empathy.And I think for Senator Booker to identify that in Vice President Harris is right. I think that's true about her. But I think that's also maybe a big part of why Joe Biden picked her in the first place, because that was the important value and the important characteristic that they shared and that lots of good politicians have other things, but they don't necessarily have that. Can I also say I'm sad Cory Booker didn't mention that Kamala Harris taught him how to cut an onion. They have a very, oh, when he says, my sister, I've interviewed both. I've talked to both of them. They're super close. They're really close. Like, she got on her FaceTime and was like, cory, this is how you do it. She's a legit cook. And if you get her started on food, she will talk to you about it. When you talk about empathy, I'm not waxing overly poetic, but cooking is a form of love and it is a form of generosity, and I'm sure we'll hear about it at some point. Now, I want to know how to chop an onion. I know, as do I. Leave your notes in the comments.All right next year. 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I'm sure they're gonna call that racist, American Federation of Teachers, the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, the United Farm Workers, the Amalgamated Transit Union, the internationally the Union of painters and allied Trades, the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union, Communication Workers of America, AFSCMe, American Federation of State, county and Municipal Employees, America's largest federation of unions, the AFL CIO, they have all come out explicitly in the last 30 hours and endorsed Kamala Harris for president of the United States. Now, one big, important, influential, high profile union that has not explicitly endorsed Kamala Harris yet is the United Autoworkers UAW. Earlier this year, the UAW endorsed President Biden after he became the first sitting president ever to walk a picket line with striking autoworkers. Ever since the UAW's endorsement of Joe Biden, Republican Donald Trump has been lashing out at the union and specifically at UAW President Sean Fein.Donald Trump even made a weird, non sequitur ad lib in his discursive, unending convention speech that Sean Fein should be fired. And all the RNC delegates were like, are we clapping for that? What is this? In a statement, after Joe Biden's announcement that he would no longer stand for reelection, the UAW made a point of saying this, quote, Vice President Kamala Harris walked the picket line with us in 2019, and along with President Biden, has brought work and jobs back to communities like Lordstown, Ohio, and Belvedere, Illinois. Quote, the path forward is clear. We will defeat Donald Trump and his billionaire agenda and elect a champion for the working class to the highest office in this country. Again, that statement from UAW. Jen Psaki, over to you. All right, thank you so much, Rachel. And joining us now is United Autoworkers president Sean Fein. Thank you so much for joining us this evening. So Rachel just gave a very long list of all of the unions that have Doris Kamala Harris, the vice president, who is now going to be likely the nominee, the United Auto workers is not on that list. Are you ready to join that list and make an announcement tonight?So thank you for having us. And, look, we're, look, we have a process we follow. And just like anything, let's be real. I mean, this last couple weeks has been a very, you know, just a very emotional few weeks. And especially this last few days, you know, seeing a President Biden make a sacrifice for this nation. And, you know, look, I mean, I got to say, it's a bittersweet moment. I love President Biden, the greatest president of my lifetime, the most pro labor president of my lifetime. And, you know, obviously he did the honorable thing. And, you know, think about that. I mean, can you ever imagine Donald Trump putting his ego aside and doing what's right for the country? It would never happen. So, you know, with Vice President Harry Harris, we have a process. We follow the membership, put the international executive board in charge of this, and we're going to be discussing things over the next few days. And then we'll choose that path forward and then we'll make announcements as we deem fit. So, but, you know, one thing I do know, you know, President Biden, first president in history to join striking workers on a picket line.Kamala Harris was right there with us in 2019 when Donald Trump was presidente. Donald Trump wasn't in 2019. He sure as hell wasn't on a picket line.No, no question about that. And I've traveled with President Biden to visit union workers, and I know that the support and the response is really incredible. Tell us a little bit. You said it's a couple of days maybe for this process. Is there a deadline or timeline we should anticipate? And what exactly is your executive committee looking for as they're considering this? Because Vice President Harris was, of course, it's the Biden Harris agenda. And everything they fought for are the things that I assume they supported when they endorsed Joe Biden. Yeah.So we're looking at a lot of things right now. We have our team looking at other people, not as, not as, I don't believe, as presidential candidates, but other possible vice president candidates and things like that. Look, we feel like we have an obligation to represent working class interests. So when we meet and we have those discussions with Vice President Harris team and, you know, we want to, you know, have input and talk about what we're seeing and what we're hearing from our members and from our board. And so we're not going to rush in and just, you know, throw it out there. We want to have fruitful discussions when we meet. And I think it's important we do that. We, we owe that to them.Absolutely. Absolutely. Now let me ask you, I know there's been a lot of calls that have been happening of President Biden. Vice President Harris, have you had the chance to speak with either of them over the last day and a half?Unfortunately, I believe Vice President Harris tried to call me yesterday and I was in the unfortunate situation with the airlines. A couple of flights were canceled. And when she did try to call, I was in the air and could not take a call. So we have reached out and expressed, you know, anytime she's ready to talk. Glad to talk with her and look forward to it.Well, thank you so much, president of the United Auto Workers, Sean Feinhen. But we'll all be waiting to hear what happens with your endorsement process. Really appreciate you joining us tonight. Back to you, Rachel.Thank you.You know, Sean Fane, I will say every time I've hosted Sean Fein on my show before, and I've talked a lot about United autoworkers and that remarkable strike effort that they had this year, I, he agitates people in power so much in such, exactly the way he wants to agitate them. I get people the way he talks about economic issues, the way he talks about class, the way he talks about billionaires, the way he talks about the improper influence of money in politics. So gets under the skin of people who feel entitled to say that they want to pick a bone, have a bone to pick with me about my coverage. He doesn't do it in a class warfare sort of way. He does it in a completely practical way and you just can't wiggle out of it. He is a very, very, very effective union leader and a very influential figure in democratic politics. And he drives Donald Trump absolutely crazy. The fact that he mentioned him by name specifically, and it wasn't in Trump's prepared remarks. He ad libbed an attack on Sean Fain in his convention speech. Yes. Under his skin in a very strange 90 minutes speech we all watched, that included Hannibal Lecter as well.As we all remember, he went after Sean Fein. And what Sean, what Jon Fain did in response was issue a direct, lengthy statement. I mean, he went after him on Lordstown, Ohio, and not failing to deliver on his promise there, he went after him over and over and over again in a statement. That's the right way to take on a bully. That's the other thing for people to know. Today, Donald Trump went on to talk about who he was going to deliver for Elon Musk. Donald Trump in the last three days said, elon Musk has given me $45 million a month. We got to make that guy happy. You know what? Elon Musk doesn't like auto unions. I mean, like, absolutely not. That's what Tesla is known for. And it's why it was almost puzzling last week when you saw the head of the Teamsters up there on the stage with RNC. The audience was sort of like, yay, we want your vote, but we're anti union. And the vice presidential candidate saying, we're for the working class, not for Wall street. The cognitive dissonance from the top of the ticket to the second spot on the ticket is, well, the real estate developer and the venture capital guy are obviously for the working man.But that's why this campaign needs to educate the american voter, because in this age of misinformation, JD Vance of Spiel and Donald Trump saying, I'm coming your town and I'm working for you. Kamala Harris and her campaign need to show people what they are doing and what Donald Trump will not be doing. That's exactly right. Still ahead tonight, we will speak with democratic Senator Amy Klobuchar. She's going to be here live on set. We've got more ahead as our special coverage continues. Stay with us. I am first hand witness that every day our President Joe Biden fights for the american people. And we are deeply, deeply grateful for his service to our nation. Tomorrow, Vice President Kamala Harris will hit the road for her first campaign event since President Biden has endorsed her to replace him at the top of the democratic ticket. We have just learned since we have been on the air tonight that the Harris campaign will put Vice President Harris tomorrow afternoon in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, notably the city that just last week hosted the Republican National Convention, where they clearly thought they had this thing in the bag. Surprise. This will be Kamala Harris fifth campaign stop in Wisconsin.This year. This time it is likely to land a little bit different. Joining us now here on set is our friend Senator Amy Klobuchar. Nice to see you. Good to see you, Rachel. The last time we were here in person, I had a coughing fit and you had to take over my shows. That actually happened. I think you were on the floor and I just kept talking. You kept talking so they could keep the camera on you while I fell on the floor coughing. I thought you were trying to do that. I had layers of points about healthcare that no one know existed. And I just kept going. Everyone said, wow, Rachel must really, I mean, to let you talk that long, that's such detail. So what is your reaction to President Biden's decision, both his decision to remove himself from consideration for reelection, but also his endorsement of Vice President Harris? Well, first of all, he took the honorable path and he did it with grace. And you think about his incredible career. And to me, it's not just the legacy, which jen knows so well, of the infrastructure of the bringing NATO, making it stronger, most important to me, bringing back the rule of law, putting Ketanji Brown Jackson on the Supreme Court.But it's also about moving forward. And for him, moving forward is these next six months. But it's also passing the torch on to the next generation of leaders. I've had my own experience with him. I gave one of my first speeches on the Senate and it was about domestic violence. And the only time slot I could get there was no one there except maybe the pages, I don't know. So I give this speech and I get off the floor and the phone rings and I think, oh, maybe it's my mom. And then I thought, no, my mom didn't even stay up to watch this. It was Joe Biden. He was a senator. And he called and said, hey, kid, really good job. And I noticed today the vice president and who I believe will be the future president addressed the campaign crowd. He said, good job, kid. Yeah. And it just reminded me of that role that he is playing and has played. And that's what you're going to see in these next few months of this campaign and so many people he has fostered in their careers and their lives. And I'm just really excited about this.And of course, having run with both of them, I think you moderated one of the debate, indeed, the very cold debate. Yes. I'm sorry. You were under a vent. It wasn't fair. Yeah. You were colder than everybody else and it was moving your hair in a weird way. I'm sorry. And I was standing next to Kamala in that debate. I just think she's going to do a great job as a candidate and as a president. She's going to bring receipts to this. She's been on the world stage. She's made incredibly important decisions with the president that has gotten our country through this pandemic in a much stronger economic position. And I'm just looking forward to seeing her on the world stage. There are a lot of debates I think we're all looking forward to. You serve in the Senate with JD Vance as well, and we know that from reporting in the Atlantic from Tim Alberta that there might be a little bit of concern about JD Vance maybe being too much of an own the Libs choice to appeal to a broader section of the electorate. And especially now that the ticket has changed.What do you think the Harris team should be looking for in a vice presidential nominee, especially when you think about it in the context of JD Vance? Well, I think it's going to be, first of all, we got to get through our own process. Big tent. I don't see many people emerging to run, but we're going to have to get through that. And at the same time, Kamala Harris is going to be picking a running mate. And I think it should be someone she trusts. It should be someone who augments her own skills and someone that could step in and govern. And there's just incredible choices out there. So I think she'll pick someone good, and I think it will continue this theme of generational change. What I saw at their convention was kind of a doubling down on their support, sort of the Hulk Hogan situation. And so I think literally, literally the Hulk Hogan situation. It's a metaphor. It actually happened. So that's kind of what I see happening here. It's just going to be able to reach out to a lot of people in this country. Our colleague joy Reid is in Washington and wants to ask you a question.Hey, Joy. Hi, senator. Good to talk to you. So I have just been sort of in a wormhole of the 2016 versus 2020 demographics of the election. I think a lot of women in this country have their pants suits from the Hillary Clinton campaign sort of embalmed in their closets, weep over them every so often. It was the closest that we previously came to electing a woman president. And while Hillary Clinton won by 3 million votes, her narrow margin of defeat in these three key swing states, you know, was because she had a huge deficit with particularly men, versus what happened when Joe Biden won and Joe Biden over indexed on a few demographics, men, he won them. There was an eleven point gap, right? Joe Biden did. He shrunk that gap. He did much better among white men in particular. He ate into that. And while Hillary Clinton barely lost white women, she lost them 49% to 47% to Donald Trump. Despite all his issues, Joe Biden did better with white women as well. But for that white woman cohort, it's a small that Kamala Harris would have to make up. Is roe enough to make up that gap so that white women will come home to the democratic party, which is not a normal thing.It's normally a morsely republican vote. How does Kamala Harris close that gap and can she close the gap with men? I think she can close many gaps. Difference. We know a lot more about Donald Trump than we did at that moment. We saw what he was like as president. We saw the divisiveness and we saw what happened. The issue of abortion, you can see it from the prairies of Kansas to the Supreme Court race in Wisconsin. You could see it in what we saw in the Virginia legislative races to what happened in the governor's race in Kentucky. It made a difference all over the country in all these races. And Kamala Harris, who I watch cross examine these very Supreme Court justices who made this decision, is going to be on the same debate stage, I hope, with Donald Trump, who issued a video this year in which he said he proudly Clinton when they ran, that you kind of got to own some of this.And while this is a lot of fun and cool, and I think you're going to see the difference between maybe a Biden candidacy and a Kamala Harris candidacy, there's going to be some differences. This is one of them. It also just shows that they're going to have to run a different way to take this on because this started, some of this started not the brat part, but the coconut tree and the laugh. It started with them trying to attack her. So they're just like, go for it. Well, I feel like that's kind of a, it's a campaign, it's a good campaign instinct. If somebody is taking you on for something that's not actually bad, I don't like your voice. I don't like your smile. I don't like your laugh. You're too old, you're too young. Whatever it is, if they're doing it in a way that isn't actually substantively something that you are worried about, the right thing to do is to boomerang. That is to turn it around and say, oh, yes, I'm going to campaign on my laugh. I'm going to campaign on these things that you're trying to turn into a negative that I know shouldn't be seen that way.It's not always easy to execute, but they're doing it, no question about it. I mean, we've been talking a little bit tonight about just what's coming her way, which is sexism, misogyny, racism, a lot of this. And I mean, making fun of her laugh. I hope she never changes her laugh, by the way. I think it's an authentic part of who she is. I saw you getting kind of almost emotional before when you're talking about Joe Biden, which is, by the way, how a lot of people I've spoken to who love him so much have felt. But what can we expect from McHarris moving forward? How is she going to take on these attacks on her that are so gross and so misogynistic and so sexist? And how do you think the campaign should do that? Well, she's going to do it with her head held high. She has an incredible posture. Let's start with that. And I think that's how she's got to go. She's got a lot of lead of it. A lot of it, as we tell women candidates, I do all the time when they're getting started, just let it go.And then a lot of it, they're going to have to take them on. Take them on. And you got to always draw that line. When are you going to call them out for it and when are you going to make fun of it? When are you going to own it and when are you just going to, again, make fun of it? Some of it is going to have to be not taking everything seriously because Donald Trump says crazy stuff all the time. As we saw in the hour and a half speech in which I listened to every word of, and I think that's what they're going to have to decide. But I think her general demeanor and the way she handles things is she's not going to let it get to her because she knows she's got a much bigger job, and that's to get things done for the people of this country. Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, it's really good to have you here. You should come by more often. Okay, I will. All right, good. We'll be right back. Stay with us. 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Wilmington. It was just as we were putting the Mac and cheese out for our son and daughter. And it was amazing when my daughter, who's about to be three, pointed to the tv and said, what's that? I, I just felt goosebumps as I heard myself saying, that's Kamala Harris and she's going to be the next president. When you endorsed Vice President Harris, you said you'd do all you can to help her win. Would you serve as her vice president if she asked you to? She's going to make that decision. She's going to do it based on what's best for the country, best for the party, and best for the ticket. I will do everything in my power to make sure that she is the next president because its so important and its really most of all important in terms of how everyday life is going to change. I think another really important thing that will come of the presidents extraordinary decision and sacrifice that he made is an opportunity to really refocus this campaign on what it means for people around America.

Of course, were going to talk about Kamala Harris and her extraordinary leadership and talk about Donald Trump and his unfitness for office and JD Vance and his inability to show any evidence that he believes in anything in any durable way. But honestly, most of this campaign will not be about them. It'll be about the american people. And this is a chance to really bring that home. I'm excited to be out there on the trail whenever there's an opportunity to remind people of that and remind people that they already agree with Kamala Harris and Democrats and disagree with Donald Trump and Republicans on issue after issue after issue, from taxes to gun safety to a woman's right to choose. I don't mean to be weird, and this started off weird with you asking me to call you Pete, and I can't, and that's weird itself. But if she asked, are you saying you wouldn't say no? Sure. We're just not in that mode right now. You know, we're on the second day since the president made his decision. And I trust her, by the way. Few people in the country know more about the vice presidency and about the weight of that decision that she does very much trust her to make a choice that makes sense to her that is right for the party and that's right for the country.

Pete Buttigieg, really appreciate you being here tonight, sir. It's a pleasure to have you with us. And I really appreciate you taking the time. Thank you. Thanks for having me on. All right. Is that weird? No. You just listen for one word. Just listen for the word no. And I don't think you're going to hear the word no from any of the like. Well, Gretchen Whitmer said no. Gretchen Whitmer said she will not, she would not serve as vice president if she rashed. She's the only person who said no. But that wasn't a no no, not at all. It was an audible swallow. Yes. That's the question, which I think anyone who's asked the question feels of course they want. I will say, though, of course he should be considered and be on the list. And there's a huge list of people who will be considered and should be the most important thing. It is very fun to do the battleship game of this. I'm not going to lie. As a lover of politics, the most important question is not actually, in my view, what state they bring, because who knows, right? Or what electoral vote it is.

Who is the person, a president Harris, sitting behind the resolute desk, or whatever the desk is, wants to call and say this is a hard decision. What do you think? And the other piece of it, even before then, is there's 105 or 106 days, depending on how you count it between now and the election. It's very short. You can't have somebody who has no profile and no charisma. You need somebody who can go out there and raise money on their own, do big events on their own. Yep. So to me, those are the big things. But she's looking potentially at an all star list of people. It's a huge bench. It's amazing. It's an amazing bench. And that's what we didn't see happen last week with Donald Trump. Right. You could love or hate JD Vance, but JD Vance is not going to bring one single voter to Donald Trump that Donald Trump didn't already have in his pocket. It's Maga, Maga squared. And from the lineup, and obviously nobody's been confirmed that we're hearing that's been reported, who Kamala Harris is potentially considering. Those are people who bring voters from different states, who bring different demographics.

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Subscribe to reveal wherever you get your podcasts. Today's news requires more facts, more context, and more analysis. The world's never been harder to understand. That's why it's never been more important to try MSNBC understand more. So in the next 106 days, we have work to do. We have doors to knock on. We have people to talk to. We have phone calls to make, and we have an election to win. So are you ready to get to work? Do we believe in freedom? Do we believe in opportunity? Do we believe in the promise of America? And are we willing to fight for it? And when we fight, we will. God bless you all, and God bless the United States of America and Joe Biden. Vice President Kamala Harris, just a few hours ago at Wilmington, Delaware, campaign headquarters. Someone else who is fired up about this moment is New Jersey Democratic Senator Cory Booker. He wrote online today, quote, for the last decade, I have had the privilege of calling Kamala Harris a friend, a Senate colleague, my vice president, my sister. I cannot wait to do everything I can to help her make history and call her Madam president.

You see the photo that he posted here? Jen Psaki, over to you. So joining us now that's a perfect queue up is the person in that photo, democratic Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey. Hi, Senator Booker, how are you? I'm doing great. How are you? Doing great. So, as Rachel just noted, and I know you are not just former colleagues, you are very good friends with the vice president. So I don't want to start by asking you if you've had a chance to speak with her since the news broke. It's been kind of a wild 30 hours over the last 30 hours, so you're going to embarrass me, but we missed each other last night. I kept getting text messages from her staff, but I have not talked to her yet. That's not embarrassing, but I'm very excited. You played phone tag. Yeah, well, my mom said. Yeah, well, my mom said you should make sure you're available when the vice president calls you. That's good advice from your mom. Moms give good advice. Well, let me ask you, I mean, there's so much in your history, you sat right next to then Senator Harris on the Judiciary committee, which means you had a front row seat, more front row than almost anyone else for her incredibly effective questioning of people like, say, Bill Barr.

So I want to ask you, there hasn't been the debate. Donald Trump's been a little backing off of the debate here. I think there should be a debate. She should debate. Talk to us a little bit about that skill set and how it would translate to the debate stage. Yeah. Look, I got a chance to sit next to her doing some of the most important hearings in american history. Donald Trump's many of his cabinet secretaries, Supreme Court justices and more. And I will tell you, she does an extraordinary job, preparing, knowing her material backwards and forwards and has a way of getting to the heart of the matter. I'll never forget her questioning of soon to be attorney general Barr and talking to him about his enforcement of reproductive rights, or even, frankly, Brett Kavanaugh about reproductive rights. She had a way of exposing the absurdity of an administration that was determined to do everything it could to undermine women's reproductive rights. So she's effective. And I think America is going to get a master's class coming up in this election about how someone deals with Donald Trump who has been in many ways able to get away in debates and more with behavior and lies and really nobody pressing him hard on his own record and his failures and, frankly, criminal activity.

Yeah, we saw, to your point, we saw that when she gave the speech today at the campaign headquarters, part of her stump speech. But I think a lot of people who haven't seen it before saw how she's going to prosecute the case against Trump. So you, as I understand it, you played a role in actually encouraging her to run Senate, which means you must have seen something in her that many years ago when she was still the attorney general of California. The country's getting to know her. You know her well. What do you hope the american people see about her, personally or otherwise, over the next 105 days? Yeah, look, I mean, she's been the vice president, dutifully supporting Joe Biden, who in no uncertain terms, I believe is the best president we've had in my lifetime in terms of delivering things. Well, she was his partner, her, in doing that. But yet at the same time, she wasn't really someone that the american public got to know at the level that they get to know their president. So I'm just excited for America to discover her truth, her heart, her character. She is someone that really passionately cares about people, especially people that are often overlooked or looked down upon.

She has a moral compass that is unwavering. And I think these are things that we need in a president. She's strong, she's tough, but, God, she has some of Joe Biden's superpower of empathy and compassion and grace. So this is going to be a wonderful 106 days where I think America every day is going to discover more things about her. And what I've seen in this last 24 hours is historic. She now has set a record for both parties as being the presidential candidate who's raised the most money in a 24 hours period ever. And this just shows a sort of volcanic eruption. There has been, in many ways, I think a hunger for this kind of next generation kind of candidate, someone who represents the future, who represents our hopes and aspirations, and someone who has the kind of policy chops and leadership ability to deliver on them. I think America now wants to turn the page and start moving towards a new generation of possibility and hope. And I think that it's just going to be exciting for a lot of people, and more and more people are going to come on board.

In fact, 60% of her donors had not even been involved contributing to this 2024 cycle. So it's exciting on how many people she's going to get off the sidelines and onto the field to help us win in November. No question. I mean, the last 30 hours have been historic and every democrat I talk to is incredibly energized. My colleague Alex Wagner, sitting next to me, did note earlier, which is important, important for everybody to remember, this is going to be a tough election, very tough. And I wanted to ask you just about all of the inevitable sexist and racist attacks. We've already seen them coming from MAGA World and Donald Trump and his allies over the years. It's going to pick up. I mean, part of the goal of those I just want to call out is to cut her down, but also to feed into this idea that the country isn't ready to elect an african american woman. So how should the campaign and people out there who are worried about those attacks, how should they be responding to these attacks as they inevitably. Well, I think, first of all, you call them as they are.

This election is about the american people. It's about who is going to best deliver for kitchen table economics, as the Biden Harris team has already done in lowering insulin costs and lowering the cost of health care. It's about who's going to help for a better future for our young people and help with college affordability and job training. It's going to be, frankly, about women's reproductive rights and the other rights and freedoms of that seem to be rolling back by this, being rolled back by the Supreme Court. And so I think keeping the focus, not on whatever kind of slurs and hate and misogyny we're going to experience. It's not about what they say about us. It's about how much we show up every day relentlessly and tell our truth. And we as a party are bigger than a party. I have always said the democratic party at its best is the party of we and not the party of me. Its a party of inclusion and not the party of exclusion. It is the party of historic diversity, womens rights and LGBTQ rights and civil rights. Its also the party of labor and unions. These are the kind of things that I think America really wants.

And you see Trump and his vice presidential nominee trying to turn in many ways distorting the truth of their project 2025 and really with a union leader speaking, trying to pretend that theres something theyre not. The american people want to be united around an administration that really is focused on american excellence and making sure that every American has been seen and valued. And im telling you thats something that Kamala Harris will do as president of the United States. Amy, Senator Cory Booker, always an uplifting message. I always love that about talking to you. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. Thank you for having me. It's great to be on what he said there about that Vice President Harris has some of the same superpower that Joe Biden has. I'm cognizant of the fact that we have described two different things as Joe Biden's superpower. One being the fact that he believes, I think he's right, that he's often underestimated. But the other being his empathy, that his means of connecting with people both through the television screen, through all the mediating forces that the president has available to him. But also one on one when he's looking people eye to eye, is that empathy.

And I think for Senator Booker to identify that in Vice President Harris is right. I think that's true about her. But I think that's also maybe a big part of why Joe Biden picked her in the first place, because that was the important value and the important characteristic that they shared and that lots of good politicians have other things, but they don't necessarily have that. Can I also say I'm sad Cory Booker didn't mention that Kamala Harris taught him how to cut an onion. They have a very, oh, when he says, my sister, I've interviewed both. I've talked to both of them. They're super close. They're really close. Like, she got on her FaceTime and was like, cory, this is how you do it. She's a legit cook. And if you get her started on food, she will talk to you about it. When you talk about empathy, I'm not waxing overly poetic, but cooking is a form of love and it is a form of generosity, and I'm sure we'll hear about it at some point. Now, I want to know how to chop an onion. I know, as do I. Leave your notes in the comments.

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Get the best of MSNBC all in one place. Sign up for msnbc daily@msnbc.com dot it is the weirdest thing to me. Democrats say that it is racist to believe. Well, they say it's racist to do anything. I had a die of mountain Dew yesterday and one today. I'm sure they're gonna call that racist, American Federation of Teachers, the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, the United Farm Workers, the Amalgamated Transit Union, the internationally the Union of painters and allied Trades, the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union, Communication Workers of America, AFSCMe, American Federation of State, county and Municipal Employees, America's largest federation of unions, the AFL CIO, they have all come out explicitly in the last 30 hours and endorsed Kamala Harris for president of the United States. Now, one big, important, influential, high profile union that has not explicitly endorsed Kamala Harris yet is the United Autoworkers UAW. Earlier this year, the UAW endorsed President Biden after he became the first sitting president ever to walk a picket line with striking autoworkers. Ever since the UAW's endorsement of Joe Biden, Republican Donald Trump has been lashing out at the union and specifically at UAW President Sean Fein.Donald Trump even made a weird, non sequitur ad lib in his discursive, unending convention speech that Sean Fein should be fired. And all the RNC delegates were like, are we clapping for that? What is this? In a statement, after Joe Biden's announcement that he would no longer stand for reelection, the UAW made a point of saying this, quote, Vice President Kamala Harris walked the picket line with us in 2019, and along with President Biden, has brought work and jobs back to communities like Lordstown, Ohio, and Belvedere, Illinois. Quote, the path forward is clear. We will defeat Donald Trump and his billionaire agenda and elect a champion for the working class to the highest office in this country. Again, that statement from UAW. Jen Psaki, over to you. All right, thank you so much, Rachel. And joining us now is United Autoworkers president Sean Fein. Thank you so much for joining us this evening. So Rachel just gave a very long list of all of the unions that have Doris Kamala Harris, the vice president, who is now going to be likely the nominee, the United Auto workers is not on that list. Are you ready to join that list and make an announcement tonight?So thank you for having us. And, look, we're, look, we have a process we follow. And just like anything, let's be real. I mean, this last couple weeks has been a very, you know, just a very emotional few weeks. And especially this last few days, you know, seeing a President Biden make a sacrifice for this nation. And, you know, look, I mean, I got to say, it's a bittersweet moment. I love President Biden, the greatest president of my lifetime, the most pro labor president of my lifetime. And, you know, obviously he did the honorable thing. And, you know, think about that. I mean, can you ever imagine Donald Trump putting his ego aside and doing what's right for the country? It would never happen. So, you know, with Vice President Harry Harris, we have a process. We follow the membership, put the international executive board in charge of this, and we're going to be discussing things over the next few days. And then we'll choose that path forward and then we'll make announcements as we deem fit. So, but, you know, one thing I do know, you know, President Biden, first president in history to join striking workers on a picket line.Kamala Harris was right there with us in 2019 when Donald Trump was presidente. Donald Trump wasn't in 2019. He sure as hell wasn't on a picket line.No, no question about that. And I've traveled with President Biden to visit union workers, and I know that the support and the response is really incredible. Tell us a little bit. You said it's a couple of days maybe for this process. Is there a deadline or timeline we should anticipate? And what exactly is your executive committee looking for as they're considering this? Because Vice President Harris was, of course, it's the Biden Harris agenda. And everything they fought for are the things that I assume they supported when they endorsed Joe Biden. Yeah.So we're looking at a lot of things right now. We have our team looking at other people, not as, not as, I don't believe, as presidential candidates, but other possible vice president candidates and things like that. Look, we feel like we have an obligation to represent working class interests. So when we meet and we have those discussions with Vice President Harris team and, you know, we want to, you know, have input and talk about what we're seeing and what we're hearing from our members and from our board. And so we're not going to rush in and just, you know, throw it out there. We want to have fruitful discussions when we meet. And I think it's important we do that. We, we owe that to them.Absolutely. Absolutely. Now let me ask you, I know there's been a lot of calls that have been happening of President Biden. Vice President Harris, have you had the chance to speak with either of them over the last day and a half?Unfortunately, I believe Vice President Harris tried to call me yesterday and I was in the unfortunate situation with the airlines. A couple of flights were canceled. And when she did try to call, I was in the air and could not take a call. So we have reached out and expressed, you know, anytime she's ready to talk. Glad to talk with her and look forward to it.Well, thank you so much, president of the United Auto Workers, Sean Feinhen. But we'll all be waiting to hear what happens with your endorsement process. Really appreciate you joining us tonight. Back to you, Rachel.Thank you.You know, Sean Fane, I will say every time I've hosted Sean Fein on my show before, and I've talked a lot about United autoworkers and that remarkable strike effort that they had this year, I, he agitates people in power so much in such, exactly the way he wants to agitate them. I get people the way he talks about economic issues, the way he talks about class, the way he talks about billionaires, the way he talks about the improper influence of money in politics. So gets under the skin of people who feel entitled to say that they want to pick a bone, have a bone to pick with me about my coverage. He doesn't do it in a class warfare sort of way. He does it in a completely practical way and you just can't wiggle out of it. He is a very, very, very effective union leader and a very influential figure in democratic politics. And he drives Donald Trump absolutely crazy. The fact that he mentioned him by name specifically, and it wasn't in Trump's prepared remarks. He ad libbed an attack on Sean Fain in his convention speech. Yes. Under his skin in a very strange 90 minutes speech we all watched, that included Hannibal Lecter as well.As we all remember, he went after Sean Fein. And what Sean, what Jon Fain did in response was issue a direct, lengthy statement. I mean, he went after him on Lordstown, Ohio, and not failing to deliver on his promise there, he went after him over and over and over again in a statement. That's the right way to take on a bully. That's the other thing for people to know. Today, Donald Trump went on to talk about who he was going to deliver for Elon Musk. Donald Trump in the last three days said, elon Musk has given me $45 million a month. We got to make that guy happy. You know what? Elon Musk doesn't like auto unions. I mean, like, absolutely not. That's what Tesla is known for. And it's why it was almost puzzling last week when you saw the head of the Teamsters up there on the stage with RNC. The audience was sort of like, yay, we want your vote, but we're anti union. And the vice presidential candidate saying, we're for the working class, not for Wall street. The cognitive dissonance from the top of the ticket to the second spot on the ticket is, well, the real estate developer and the venture capital guy are obviously for the working man.But that's why this campaign needs to educate the american voter, because in this age of misinformation, JD Vance of Spiel and Donald Trump saying, I'm coming your town and I'm working for you. Kamala Harris and her campaign need to show people what they are doing and what Donald Trump will not be doing. That's exactly right. Still ahead tonight, we will speak with democratic Senator Amy Klobuchar. She's going to be here live on set. We've got more ahead as our special coverage continues. Stay with us. I am first hand witness that every day our President Joe Biden fights for the american people. And we are deeply, deeply grateful for his service to our nation. Tomorrow, Vice President Kamala Harris will hit the road for her first campaign event since President Biden has endorsed her to replace him at the top of the democratic ticket. We have just learned since we have been on the air tonight that the Harris campaign will put Vice President Harris tomorrow afternoon in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, notably the city that just last week hosted the Republican National Convention, where they clearly thought they had this thing in the bag. Surprise. This will be Kamala Harris fifth campaign stop in Wisconsin.This year. This time it is likely to land a little bit different. Joining us now here on set is our friend Senator Amy Klobuchar. Nice to see you. Good to see you, Rachel. The last time we were here in person, I had a coughing fit and you had to take over my shows. That actually happened. I think you were on the floor and I just kept talking. You kept talking so they could keep the camera on you while I fell on the floor coughing. I thought you were trying to do that. I had layers of points about healthcare that no one know existed. And I just kept going. Everyone said, wow, Rachel must really, I mean, to let you talk that long, that's such detail. So what is your reaction to President Biden's decision, both his decision to remove himself from consideration for reelection, but also his endorsement of Vice President Harris? Well, first of all, he took the honorable path and he did it with grace. And you think about his incredible career. And to me, it's not just the legacy, which jen knows so well, of the infrastructure of the bringing NATO, making it stronger, most important to me, bringing back the rule of law, putting Ketanji Brown Jackson on the Supreme Court.But it's also about moving forward. And for him, moving forward is these next six months. But it's also passing the torch on to the next generation of leaders. I've had my own experience with him. I gave one of my first speeches on the Senate and it was about domestic violence. And the only time slot I could get there was no one there except maybe the pages, I don't know. So I give this speech and I get off the floor and the phone rings and I think, oh, maybe it's my mom. And then I thought, no, my mom didn't even stay up to watch this. It was Joe Biden. He was a senator. And he called and said, hey, kid, really good job. And I noticed today the vice president and who I believe will be the future president addressed the campaign crowd. He said, good job, kid. Yeah. And it just reminded me of that role that he is playing and has played. And that's what you're going to see in these next few months of this campaign and so many people he has fostered in their careers and their lives. And I'm just really excited about this.And of course, having run with both of them, I think you moderated one of the debate, indeed, the very cold debate. Yes. I'm sorry. You were under a vent. It wasn't fair. Yeah. You were colder than everybody else and it was moving your hair in a weird way. I'm sorry. And I was standing next to Kamala in that debate. I just think she's going to do a great job as a candidate and as a president. She's going to bring receipts to this. She's been on the world stage. She's made incredibly important decisions with the president that has gotten our country through this pandemic in a much stronger economic position. And I'm just looking forward to seeing her on the world stage. There are a lot of debates I think we're all looking forward to. You serve in the Senate with JD Vance as well, and we know that from reporting in the Atlantic from Tim Alberta that there might be a little bit of concern about JD Vance maybe being too much of an own the Libs choice to appeal to a broader section of the electorate. And especially now that the ticket has changed.What do you think the Harris team should be looking for in a vice presidential nominee, especially when you think about it in the context of JD Vance? Well, I think it's going to be, first of all, we got to get through our own process. Big tent. I don't see many people emerging to run, but we're going to have to get through that. And at the same time, Kamala Harris is going to be picking a running mate. And I think it should be someone she trusts. It should be someone who augments her own skills and someone that could step in and govern. And there's just incredible choices out there. So I think she'll pick someone good, and I think it will continue this theme of generational change. What I saw at their convention was kind of a doubling down on their support, sort of the Hulk Hogan situation. And so I think literally, literally the Hulk Hogan situation. It's a metaphor. It actually happened. So that's kind of what I see happening here. It's just going to be able to reach out to a lot of people in this country. Our colleague joy Reid is in Washington and wants to ask you a question.Hey, Joy. Hi, senator. Good to talk to you. So I have just been sort of in a wormhole of the 2016 versus 2020 demographics of the election. I think a lot of women in this country have their pants suits from the Hillary Clinton campaign sort of embalmed in their closets, weep over them every so often. It was the closest that we previously came to electing a woman president. And while Hillary Clinton won by 3 million votes, her narrow margin of defeat in these three key swing states, you know, was because she had a huge deficit with particularly men, versus what happened when Joe Biden won and Joe Biden over indexed on a few demographics, men, he won them. There was an eleven point gap, right? Joe Biden did. He shrunk that gap. He did much better among white men in particular. He ate into that. And while Hillary Clinton barely lost white women, she lost them 49% to 47% to Donald Trump. Despite all his issues, Joe Biden did better with white women as well. But for that white woman cohort, it's a small that Kamala Harris would have to make up. Is roe enough to make up that gap so that white women will come home to the democratic party, which is not a normal thing.It's normally a morsely republican vote. How does Kamala Harris close that gap and can she close the gap with men? I think she can close many gaps. Difference. We know a lot more about Donald Trump than we did at that moment. We saw what he was like as president. We saw the divisiveness and we saw what happened. The issue of abortion, you can see it from the prairies of Kansas to the Supreme Court race in Wisconsin. You could see it in what we saw in the Virginia legislative races to what happened in the governor's race in Kentucky. It made a difference all over the country in all these races. And Kamala Harris, who I watch cross examine these very Supreme Court justices who made this decision, is going to be on the same debate stage, I hope, with Donald Trump, who issued a video this year in which he said he proudly Clinton when they ran, that you kind of got to own some of this.And while this is a lot of fun and cool, and I think you're going to see the difference between maybe a Biden candidacy and a Kamala Harris candidacy, there's going to be some differences. This is one of them. It also just shows that they're going to have to run a different way to take this on because this started, some of this started not the brat part, but the coconut tree and the laugh. It started with them trying to attack her. So they're just like, go for it. Well, I feel like that's kind of a, it's a campaign, it's a good campaign instinct. If somebody is taking you on for something that's not actually bad, I don't like your voice. I don't like your smile. I don't like your laugh. You're too old, you're too young. Whatever it is, if they're doing it in a way that isn't actually substantively something that you are worried about, the right thing to do is to boomerang. That is to turn it around and say, oh, yes, I'm going to campaign on my laugh. I'm going to campaign on these things that you're trying to turn into a negative that I know shouldn't be seen that way.It's not always easy to execute, but they're doing it, no question about it. I mean, we've been talking a little bit tonight about just what's coming her way, which is sexism, misogyny, racism, a lot of this. And I mean, making fun of her laugh. I hope she never changes her laugh, by the way. I think it's an authentic part of who she is. I saw you getting kind of almost emotional before when you're talking about Joe Biden, which is, by the way, how a lot of people I've spoken to who love him so much have felt. But what can we expect from McHarris moving forward? How is she going to take on these attacks on her that are so gross and so misogynistic and so sexist? And how do you think the campaign should do that? Well, she's going to do it with her head held high. She has an incredible posture. Let's start with that. And I think that's how she's got to go. She's got a lot of lead of it. A lot of it, as we tell women candidates, I do all the time when they're getting started, just let it go.And then a lot of it, they're going to have to take them on. Take them on. And you got to always draw that line. When are you going to call them out for it and when are you going to make fun of it? When are you going to own it and when are you just going to, again, make fun of it? Some of it is going to have to be not taking everything seriously because Donald Trump says crazy stuff all the time. As we saw in the hour and a half speech in which I listened to every word of, and I think that's what they're going to have to decide. But I think her general demeanor and the way she handles things is she's not going to let it get to her because she knows she's got a much bigger job, and that's to get things done for the people of this country. Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, it's really good to have you here. You should come by more often. Okay, I will. All right, good. We'll be right back. Stay with us. To paraphrase President Joe Biden, the election of 2024 was always going to be a big freaking deal.But now with Biden stepping aside, Harris jumping in, the excitement, the energy, the jitters, it is all, whole lot, all at once. If you would like to spend a day with other folks who are as riveted by this as we all are, may I recommend an upcoming event, MSNBC Live? Democracy 2024 is on the books. It's happening Saturday, September 7. It's in Brooklyn, New York. A bunch of us hosts are going to be there. And the reason I'm telling you this now is because we just released a new batch of tickets today for the evening session, including some great seats. So again, new tickets newly available. It's Saturday, September 7 in Brooklyn. The website if you want to find out more, including how to get tickets, it's msnbc.com dot again, msnbc.com Democracy 2024 introducing MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts get early access to new original podcasts from MSNBC and ad free listening to all of Rachel Maddow's chart topping, award winning original series, including season one and season two of Ultra Bagman and Deja news, plus exclusive bonus content and new episodes of the Rachel Maddow show and Morning Joe. Ad free. Subscribe to MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts.

American Federation of Teachers, the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, the United Farm Workers, the Amalgamated Transit Union, the internationally the Union of painters and allied Trades, the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union, Communication Workers of America, AFSCMe, American Federation of State, county and Municipal Employees, America's largest federation of unions, the AFL CIO, they have all come out explicitly in the last 30 hours and endorsed Kamala Harris for president of the United States. Now, one big, important, influential, high profile union that has not explicitly endorsed Kamala Harris yet is the United Autoworkers UAW. Earlier this year, the UAW endorsed President Biden after he became the first sitting president ever to walk a picket line with striking autoworkers. Ever since the UAW's endorsement of Joe Biden, Republican Donald Trump has been lashing out at the union and specifically at UAW President Sean Fein.

Donald Trump even made a weird, non sequitur ad lib in his discursive, unending convention speech that Sean Fein should be fired. And all the RNC delegates were like, are we clapping for that? What is this? In a statement, after Joe Biden's announcement that he would no longer stand for reelection, the UAW made a point of saying this, quote, Vice President Kamala Harris walked the picket line with us in 2019, and along with President Biden, has brought work and jobs back to communities like Lordstown, Ohio, and Belvedere, Illinois. Quote, the path forward is clear. We will defeat Donald Trump and his billionaire agenda and elect a champion for the working class to the highest office in this country. Again, that statement from UAW. Jen Psaki, over to you. All right, thank you so much, Rachel. And joining us now is United Autoworkers president Sean Fein. Thank you so much for joining us this evening. So Rachel just gave a very long list of all of the unions that have Doris Kamala Harris, the vice president, who is now going to be likely the nominee, the United Auto workers is not on that list. Are you ready to join that list and make an announcement tonight?

So thank you for having us. And, look, we're, look, we have a process we follow. And just like anything, let's be real. I mean, this last couple weeks has been a very, you know, just a very emotional few weeks. And especially this last few days, you know, seeing a President Biden make a sacrifice for this nation. And, you know, look, I mean, I got to say, it's a bittersweet moment. I love President Biden, the greatest president of my lifetime, the most pro labor president of my lifetime. And, you know, obviously he did the honorable thing. And, you know, think about that. I mean, can you ever imagine Donald Trump putting his ego aside and doing what's right for the country? It would never happen. So, you know, with Vice President Harry Harris, we have a process. We follow the membership, put the international executive board in charge of this, and we're going to be discussing things over the next few days. And then we'll choose that path forward and then we'll make announcements as we deem fit. So, but, you know, one thing I do know, you know, President Biden, first president in history to join striking workers on a picket line.

Kamala Harris was right there with us in 2019 when Donald Trump was presidente. Donald Trump wasn't in 2019. He sure as hell wasn't on a picket line.

No, no question about that. And I've traveled with President Biden to visit union workers, and I know that the support and the response is really incredible. Tell us a little bit. You said it's a couple of days maybe for this process. Is there a deadline or timeline we should anticipate? And what exactly is your executive committee looking for as they're considering this? Because Vice President Harris was, of course, it's the Biden Harris agenda. And everything they fought for are the things that I assume they supported when they endorsed Joe Biden. Yeah.

So we're looking at a lot of things right now. We have our team looking at other people, not as, not as, I don't believe, as presidential candidates, but other possible vice president candidates and things like that. Look, we feel like we have an obligation to represent working class interests. So when we meet and we have those discussions with Vice President Harris team and, you know, we want to, you know, have input and talk about what we're seeing and what we're hearing from our members and from our board. And so we're not going to rush in and just, you know, throw it out there. We want to have fruitful discussions when we meet. And I think it's important we do that. We, we owe that to them.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Now let me ask you, I know there's been a lot of calls that have been happening of President Biden. Vice President Harris, have you had the chance to speak with either of them over the last day and a half?

Unfortunately, I believe Vice President Harris tried to call me yesterday and I was in the unfortunate situation with the airlines. A couple of flights were canceled. And when she did try to call, I was in the air and could not take a call. So we have reached out and expressed, you know, anytime she's ready to talk. Glad to talk with her and look forward to it.

Well, thank you so much, president of the United Auto Workers, Sean Feinhen. But we'll all be waiting to hear what happens with your endorsement process. Really appreciate you joining us tonight. Back to you, Rachel.

Thank you.

You know, Sean Fane, I will say every time I've hosted Sean Fein on my show before, and I've talked a lot about United autoworkers and that remarkable strike effort that they had this year, I, he agitates people in power so much in such, exactly the way he wants to agitate them. I get people the way he talks about economic issues, the way he talks about class, the way he talks about billionaires, the way he talks about the improper influence of money in politics. So gets under the skin of people who feel entitled to say that they want to pick a bone, have a bone to pick with me about my coverage. He doesn't do it in a class warfare sort of way. He does it in a completely practical way and you just can't wiggle out of it. He is a very, very, very effective union leader and a very influential figure in democratic politics. And he drives Donald Trump absolutely crazy. The fact that he mentioned him by name specifically, and it wasn't in Trump's prepared remarks. He ad libbed an attack on Sean Fain in his convention speech. Yes. Under his skin in a very strange 90 minutes speech we all watched, that included Hannibal Lecter as well.

As we all remember, he went after Sean Fein. And what Sean, what Jon Fain did in response was issue a direct, lengthy statement. I mean, he went after him on Lordstown, Ohio, and not failing to deliver on his promise there, he went after him over and over and over again in a statement. That's the right way to take on a bully. That's the other thing for people to know. Today, Donald Trump went on to talk about who he was going to deliver for Elon Musk. Donald Trump in the last three days said, elon Musk has given me $45 million a month. We got to make that guy happy. You know what? Elon Musk doesn't like auto unions. I mean, like, absolutely not. That's what Tesla is known for. And it's why it was almost puzzling last week when you saw the head of the Teamsters up there on the stage with RNC. The audience was sort of like, yay, we want your vote, but we're anti union. And the vice presidential candidate saying, we're for the working class, not for Wall street. The cognitive dissonance from the top of the ticket to the second spot on the ticket is, well, the real estate developer and the venture capital guy are obviously for the working man.

But that's why this campaign needs to educate the american voter, because in this age of misinformation, JD Vance of Spiel and Donald Trump saying, I'm coming your town and I'm working for you. Kamala Harris and her campaign need to show people what they are doing and what Donald Trump will not be doing. That's exactly right. Still ahead tonight, we will speak with democratic Senator Amy Klobuchar. She's going to be here live on set. We've got more ahead as our special coverage continues. Stay with us. I am first hand witness that every day our President Joe Biden fights for the american people. And we are deeply, deeply grateful for his service to our nation. Tomorrow, Vice President Kamala Harris will hit the road for her first campaign event since President Biden has endorsed her to replace him at the top of the democratic ticket. We have just learned since we have been on the air tonight that the Harris campaign will put Vice President Harris tomorrow afternoon in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, notably the city that just last week hosted the Republican National Convention, where they clearly thought they had this thing in the bag. Surprise. This will be Kamala Harris fifth campaign stop in Wisconsin.

This year. This time it is likely to land a little bit different. Joining us now here on set is our friend Senator Amy Klobuchar. Nice to see you. Good to see you, Rachel. The last time we were here in person, I had a coughing fit and you had to take over my shows. That actually happened. I think you were on the floor and I just kept talking. You kept talking so they could keep the camera on you while I fell on the floor coughing. I thought you were trying to do that. I had layers of points about healthcare that no one know existed. And I just kept going. Everyone said, wow, Rachel must really, I mean, to let you talk that long, that's such detail. So what is your reaction to President Biden's decision, both his decision to remove himself from consideration for reelection, but also his endorsement of Vice President Harris? Well, first of all, he took the honorable path and he did it with grace. And you think about his incredible career. And to me, it's not just the legacy, which jen knows so well, of the infrastructure of the bringing NATO, making it stronger, most important to me, bringing back the rule of law, putting Ketanji Brown Jackson on the Supreme Court.

But it's also about moving forward. And for him, moving forward is these next six months. But it's also passing the torch on to the next generation of leaders. I've had my own experience with him. I gave one of my first speeches on the Senate and it was about domestic violence. And the only time slot I could get there was no one there except maybe the pages, I don't know. So I give this speech and I get off the floor and the phone rings and I think, oh, maybe it's my mom. And then I thought, no, my mom didn't even stay up to watch this. It was Joe Biden. He was a senator. And he called and said, hey, kid, really good job. And I noticed today the vice president and who I believe will be the future president addressed the campaign crowd. He said, good job, kid. Yeah. And it just reminded me of that role that he is playing and has played. And that's what you're going to see in these next few months of this campaign and so many people he has fostered in their careers and their lives. And I'm just really excited about this.

And of course, having run with both of them, I think you moderated one of the debate, indeed, the very cold debate. Yes. I'm sorry. You were under a vent. It wasn't fair. Yeah. You were colder than everybody else and it was moving your hair in a weird way. I'm sorry. And I was standing next to Kamala in that debate. I just think she's going to do a great job as a candidate and as a president. She's going to bring receipts to this. She's been on the world stage. She's made incredibly important decisions with the president that has gotten our country through this pandemic in a much stronger economic position. And I'm just looking forward to seeing her on the world stage. There are a lot of debates I think we're all looking forward to. You serve in the Senate with JD Vance as well, and we know that from reporting in the Atlantic from Tim Alberta that there might be a little bit of concern about JD Vance maybe being too much of an own the Libs choice to appeal to a broader section of the electorate. And especially now that the ticket has changed.

What do you think the Harris team should be looking for in a vice presidential nominee, especially when you think about it in the context of JD Vance? Well, I think it's going to be, first of all, we got to get through our own process. Big tent. I don't see many people emerging to run, but we're going to have to get through that. And at the same time, Kamala Harris is going to be picking a running mate. And I think it should be someone she trusts. It should be someone who augments her own skills and someone that could step in and govern. And there's just incredible choices out there. So I think she'll pick someone good, and I think it will continue this theme of generational change. What I saw at their convention was kind of a doubling down on their support, sort of the Hulk Hogan situation. And so I think literally, literally the Hulk Hogan situation. It's a metaphor. It actually happened. So that's kind of what I see happening here. It's just going to be able to reach out to a lot of people in this country. Our colleague joy Reid is in Washington and wants to ask you a question.

Hey, Joy. Hi, senator. Good to talk to you. So I have just been sort of in a wormhole of the 2016 versus 2020 demographics of the election. I think a lot of women in this country have their pants suits from the Hillary Clinton campaign sort of embalmed in their closets, weep over them every so often. It was the closest that we previously came to electing a woman president. And while Hillary Clinton won by 3 million votes, her narrow margin of defeat in these three key swing states, you know, was because she had a huge deficit with particularly men, versus what happened when Joe Biden won and Joe Biden over indexed on a few demographics, men, he won them. There was an eleven point gap, right? Joe Biden did. He shrunk that gap. He did much better among white men in particular. He ate into that. And while Hillary Clinton barely lost white women, she lost them 49% to 47% to Donald Trump. Despite all his issues, Joe Biden did better with white women as well. But for that white woman cohort, it's a small that Kamala Harris would have to make up. Is roe enough to make up that gap so that white women will come home to the democratic party, which is not a normal thing.

It's normally a morsely republican vote. How does Kamala Harris close that gap and can she close the gap with men? I think she can close many gaps. Difference. We know a lot more about Donald Trump than we did at that moment. We saw what he was like as president. We saw the divisiveness and we saw what happened. The issue of abortion, you can see it from the prairies of Kansas to the Supreme Court race in Wisconsin. You could see it in what we saw in the Virginia legislative races to what happened in the governor's race in Kentucky. It made a difference all over the country in all these races. And Kamala Harris, who I watch cross examine these very Supreme Court justices who made this decision, is going to be on the same debate stage, I hope, with Donald Trump, who issued a video this year in which he said he proudly Clinton when they ran, that you kind of got to own some of this.And while this is a lot of fun and cool, and I think you're going to see the difference between maybe a Biden candidacy and a Kamala Harris candidacy, there's going to be some differences. This is one of them. It also just shows that they're going to have to run a different way to take this on because this started, some of this started not the brat part, but the coconut tree and the laugh. It started with them trying to attack her. So they're just like, go for it. Well, I feel like that's kind of a, it's a campaign, it's a good campaign instinct. If somebody is taking you on for something that's not actually bad, I don't like your voice. I don't like your smile. I don't like your laugh. You're too old, you're too young. Whatever it is, if they're doing it in a way that isn't actually substantively something that you are worried about, the right thing to do is to boomerang. That is to turn it around and say, oh, yes, I'm going to campaign on my laugh. I'm going to campaign on these things that you're trying to turn into a negative that I know shouldn't be seen that way.It's not always easy to execute, but they're doing it, no question about it. I mean, we've been talking a little bit tonight about just what's coming her way, which is sexism, misogyny, racism, a lot of this. And I mean, making fun of her laugh. I hope she never changes her laugh, by the way. I think it's an authentic part of who she is. I saw you getting kind of almost emotional before when you're talking about Joe Biden, which is, by the way, how a lot of people I've spoken to who love him so much have felt. But what can we expect from McHarris moving forward? How is she going to take on these attacks on her that are so gross and so misogynistic and so sexist? And how do you think the campaign should do that? Well, she's going to do it with her head held high. She has an incredible posture. Let's start with that. And I think that's how she's got to go. She's got a lot of lead of it. A lot of it, as we tell women candidates, I do all the time when they're getting started, just let it go.And then a lot of it, they're going to have to take them on. Take them on. And you got to always draw that line. When are you going to call them out for it and when are you going to make fun of it? When are you going to own it and when are you just going to, again, make fun of it? Some of it is going to have to be not taking everything seriously because Donald Trump says crazy stuff all the time. As we saw in the hour and a half speech in which I listened to every word of, and I think that's what they're going to have to decide. But I think her general demeanor and the way she handles things is she's not going to let it get to her because she knows she's got a much bigger job, and that's to get things done for the people of this country. Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, it's really good to have you here. You should come by more often. Okay, I will. All right, good. We'll be right back. Stay with us. To paraphrase President Joe Biden, the election of 2024 was always going to be a big freaking deal.But now with Biden stepping aside, Harris jumping in, the excitement, the energy, the jitters, it is all, whole lot, all at once. If you would like to spend a day with other folks who are as riveted by this as we all are, may I recommend an upcoming event, MSNBC Live? Democracy 2024 is on the books. It's happening Saturday, September 7. It's in Brooklyn, New York. A bunch of us hosts are going to be there. And the reason I'm telling you this now is because we just released a new batch of tickets today for the evening session, including some great seats. So again, new tickets newly available. It's Saturday, September 7 in Brooklyn. The website if you want to find out more, including how to get tickets, it's msnbc.com dot again, msnbc.com Democracy 2024 introducing MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts get early access to new original podcasts from MSNBC and ad free listening to all of Rachel Maddow's chart topping, award winning original series, including season one and season two of Ultra Bagman and Deja news, plus exclusive bonus content and new episodes of the Rachel Maddow show and Morning Joe. Ad free. Subscribe to MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts.

Clinton when they ran, that you kind of got to own some of this.

And while this is a lot of fun and cool, and I think you're going to see the difference between maybe a Biden candidacy and a Kamala Harris candidacy, there's going to be some differences. This is one of them. It also just shows that they're going to have to run a different way to take this on because this started, some of this started not the brat part, but the coconut tree and the laugh. It started with them trying to attack her. So they're just like, go for it. Well, I feel like that's kind of a, it's a campaign, it's a good campaign instinct. If somebody is taking you on for something that's not actually bad, I don't like your voice. I don't like your smile. I don't like your laugh. You're too old, you're too young. Whatever it is, if they're doing it in a way that isn't actually substantively something that you are worried about, the right thing to do is to boomerang. That is to turn it around and say, oh, yes, I'm going to campaign on my laugh. I'm going to campaign on these things that you're trying to turn into a negative that I know shouldn't be seen that way.

It's not always easy to execute, but they're doing it, no question about it. I mean, we've been talking a little bit tonight about just what's coming her way, which is sexism, misogyny, racism, a lot of this. And I mean, making fun of her laugh. I hope she never changes her laugh, by the way. I think it's an authentic part of who she is. I saw you getting kind of almost emotional before when you're talking about Joe Biden, which is, by the way, how a lot of people I've spoken to who love him so much have felt. But what can we expect from McHarris moving forward? How is she going to take on these attacks on her that are so gross and so misogynistic and so sexist? And how do you think the campaign should do that? Well, she's going to do it with her head held high. She has an incredible posture. Let's start with that. And I think that's how she's got to go. She's got a lot of lead of it. A lot of it, as we tell women candidates, I do all the time when they're getting started, just let it go.

And then a lot of it, they're going to have to take them on. Take them on. And you got to always draw that line. When are you going to call them out for it and when are you going to make fun of it? When are you going to own it and when are you just going to, again, make fun of it? Some of it is going to have to be not taking everything seriously because Donald Trump says crazy stuff all the time. As we saw in the hour and a half speech in which I listened to every word of, and I think that's what they're going to have to decide. But I think her general demeanor and the way she handles things is she's not going to let it get to her because she knows she's got a much bigger job, and that's to get things done for the people of this country. Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, it's really good to have you here. You should come by more often. Okay, I will. All right, good. We'll be right back. Stay with us. To paraphrase President Joe Biden, the election of 2024 was always going to be a big freaking deal.

But now with Biden stepping aside, Harris jumping in, the excitement, the energy, the jitters, it is all, whole lot, all at once. If you would like to spend a day with other folks who are as riveted by this as we all are, may I recommend an upcoming event, MSNBC Live? Democracy 2024 is on the books. It's happening Saturday, September 7. It's in Brooklyn, New York. A bunch of us hosts are going to be there. And the reason I'm telling you this now is because we just released a new batch of tickets today for the evening session, including some great seats. So again, new tickets newly available. It's Saturday, September 7 in Brooklyn. The website if you want to find out more, including how to get tickets, it's msnbc.com dot again, msnbc.com Democracy 2024 introducing MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts get early access to new original podcasts from MSNBC and ad free listening to all of Rachel Maddow's chart topping, award winning original series, including season one and season two of Ultra Bagman and Deja news, plus exclusive bonus content and new episodes of the Rachel Maddow show and Morning Joe. Ad free. Subscribe to MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts.