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There was a majestic, rapturous, and even seductive something in this first outbreak of the people from which one could escape only with difficulty. And in spite of all my hatred and aversion for war, I should not like to have missed the memory of those first days as never before. Thousands and hundreds of thousands felt what they should have felt in peacetime, that they belonged together. A city of 2 million, a country of nearly 50 million. In that hour felt that they were participating in world history in a moment which would never recur, and that each one was called upon to cast his infinitesimal self into the glowing mass there to be purified of all selfishness, all differences of class, rank and language were flooded over at that moment by the rushing feeling of fraternity. Strangers spoke to one another in the streets. People who had avoided each other for years shook hands everywhere. One saw excited faces. So that was Stefan Zweig, the great austrian writer in the world of yesterday, which he wrote in 1942, in the midst of a second terrible world war, about the outbreak of the First World War. And Dominic, we quoted him at the beginning of our last episode, which was the final episode, about the murder in Saran Avo of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

And we're now beginning a kind of sister series to that, where we look at how that murder, that assassination, led Europe to the outbreak of war.

Yes.

And I guess the thing that lots of people think they know is that the war was greeted with great enthusiasm and that it was kind of driven by emotions and feelings of jingoism, and that this is an explanation for what happened. But the truth is much more complex, isn't it?

It is more complicated. And, of course, that reading could hardly be more darkly ironic, because, as we said at the end of our Sarajevo series, Stefan Zvieg is one of those people. His writings have come to embody the lost world of the Habsburg Empire, of kind of Europe before the fall. I suppose that moment that he's talking about is arguably the greatest calamity in human history, because it is from that moment, the outbreak of the first world War, that all the horrors of the 20th century were to flow. So obviously the first World War itself, the rise of Nazism, the rise of Bolshevism, the second World War, the Holocaust, communism, the Cold War, all of these.

Things, the division of Europe.

The division of Europe, exactly. And actually, the division of Europe, which obviously cuts right through the world that he's talking about, that Habsburg Empire. Yeah.

The austro hungarian empire gets divided on either side of the Iron Curtain.

The world that belong together.

Yeah.

You know, that's all going to be sundered forever. Well, not forever, but for generations.

And so I suppose the moment that war breaks out, people are asking, why, aren't they?

Yes.

In your notes here, you quote Rebecca west in the black lamb and gray falcon, and she's at the town hall in Sarajevo. She writes, leaning from the balcony. I said, I shall never be able to understand how it happened. It is not that there are too few facts available, but that there are too many. And that is the challenge, really, isn't it? Because, you know, we did an episode on the causes of the first World War. Is it militarism? Is it nationalism? Is it the Kaiser wearing the wrong deck shoes at cows? I mean, all of these have obviously been advanced as theories, right?

One of them only by you, but let's continue.

No, I think distinguished historians have made that proposition. But one way that's become very popular with historians recently, Christopher Clarke and sleepwalkers and various other scholars, is to say, well, actually, let's park the idea that there are broad abstract nouns hovering around. Let's remind ourselves that actually it's about individuals in contingent circumstances. And this is obviously a kind of pre Internet age. So these are people who are operating far more in the dark than perhaps. I mean, obviously, we know they didn't have the Internet, but I think we are now so accustomed to an absolute blizzard of facts and news and the idea that people in different capitals can communicate with each other that perhaps we forget that back in 1914, the power players in the various countries, the various great powers and the second division powers were kind of operating a bit in the dark.

A little bit. Yeah, I think that's absolutely right, Tom. They're depending so much on telegrams, so they're not ringing each other. That's not possible. They're sending telegrams to their ambassadors, who then have to go and call a meeting with somebody else. So it's all kind of chinese whispers to some extent, I think you're absolutely right. That emphasis on individuals is really important. There's a brilliant book, actually, called July Crisis by a guy called Thomas Ottie. So for people who've read Christopher Clark's the Sleepwalkers, if you found it a little bit light and frivolous, Thomas Ottie's is the book for you. So he says at the beginning of that book, the decision to mobilize millions of men to send them to do and die on the battlefield were not made by anonymous factors. They were made by real people. And he says, you know, this is what we should look at. Count Berchtold, Theobald von Bethmann Holweg, President Poincare in France, Asquith and Gray in Britain, and so on and so forth. These people, you know, they have the power of life and death over millions, and they make the decisions, the crucial decisions. And the thing is, they have always, or almost always been completely caricatured in the popular imagination.

Yeah, you could argue these are some of the most caricatured people in all history, because the classic thing that everybody says about them is that they are nationalistic, reactionary, war mongering old men who sent young men to die.

And that is. I mean, that's something that's very current still today, isn't it, that kind of view of them?

Yeah, I literally googled old men, first world War. And the first thing that came up was a column in the Guardian by George Monbiot. And he ended his column about the first world War by saying the old men of Europe decided that they would rather kill their children than change their policies. And I think that's just wrong. It's just not right.

Yeah, sure. But you can see why people think that, because that is a story that is being told within a year of the outbreak of war. So there's Kipling's terrible lines that presumably are haunted by the fact that his son John dies in the battle of Loos a year after the outbreak of war. If any question why we died, that is the young of Europe. Tell them. Because our fathers lied. And then there's the terrible poem that Wilfred Owen writes, who dies right at the end of the war, and he has the myth of Abraham about to sacrifice his son Isaac. And then, you know, the angel appears and says, don't sacrifice him. And in Owens version, Abraham is offered a ram and told to sacrifice it, but the old man would not sow, but slew his son and half the seed of Europe one by one. And then Benjamin Britten wrote Requiem for war about that. So it is part of the culture that derives from the experience of the war itself, isn't it? And it has a power, inherent kind of mythic power. You know, Owen's use of the bible there. I mean, it's really resonant.

The idea of doomed youth. You know, the anthem for doomed youth, doomed youth and the people who have doomed the youngsters are their elders. Yeah. It's got an enormous power, but it's not right. These aren't actually very old men. So most of the people who make the big decisions are actually in the prime of their lives. They're not reactionary. Many of them are actually political moderates. Or in Britain, they are liberals.

Well, in Germany as well. Right. Because the. The social democrats in Germany had just won about a third of the vote, I think, in an election.

Yeah. And they agreed to go along with the war. Sometimes sort of left wing historians would say they were fueled by a terrible fear of revolution. But actually, when you get down into the weeds, as it were, of the crucial decisions, the idea of revolution, being frightened of socialism and stuff, that doesn't feature at all. Are they nationalists? It's always said these are wars driven by nationalism. But actually, a lot of the people we'll talk about in this series are not nationalists. They are internationalists. They are cosmopolitan people. We will see how everybody has the wrong surname because, you know, the austrian guy has a russian sounding surname, the russian ambassador sounds german, because these are, as it were, often citizens of the world, very fluent in other languages, friends in other countries, all of that kind of thing.

Well, the Kaiser and the Tsar communicate in English.

Yeah.

And of course, you know, all the various emperors and kings are all descended from Queen Victoria, so it's literally a family affair.

Yeah. When the russian foreign minister and the german ambassador talking to each other, they would often talk in French. And the other thing is when these people are having these crucial conversations, as we will see in this series, at the end of the July crisis. So let's say the month or so after the assassination of Franz Ferdinand Sophie, at the end of that period, many of the people we will be talking about have nervous breakdowns or they literally start crying in front of each other because they are so ravaged by anxiety and agony and guilt and regret about what has happened, you know, these are not warmongerers, I wouldn't say by any stretch of the imagination.

In which case it only makes the mystery all the greater, isn't it, how these people ended up leading their countries into a war that nobody wanted?

Well, some people did want the war. I think we should say that right away. Wars don't happen by accident. Somebody has to, will it? Somebody has to make those crucial decisions. One of the points I'd make right at the beginning is we only really do this with the first world war. Up to this point, if you talked about the crimean war, the napoleonic wars, the franco prussian war, the seven years war, whatever. We wouldn't find it inexplicable that these wars happened. I mean, people at the time thought it was perfectly reasonable that wars happened. They might say it's sad that people die, but they knew that war was a completely rational. They regarded as an explicable tool of foreign policy.

They did. But, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong here, but they thought that local wars were an acceptable tool of policy.

Yeah.

What everyone was terrified of was a general european war. I mean, maybe there aren't. I accept your point that there are certain actors in this who actually are quite keen on a general european conflagration. But most people, I get the impression, have a sense that this will be something terrible. They don't think it's going to be over by Christmas. They know that they are on the edge of a precipice.

Well, I think it's fair to say, tom, nobody gets the war they want. There are people in the story who want a war. I express myself badly. Nobody wants the war they get. And how they do get it, that is the mystery, isn't it? I will say one other thing, actually. I think it really matters that the trigger is as it is. When we said we were doing a Sarajevo series and we put up pictures when we went to Sarajevo on social media and we said, you know, a fateful place changed the course of world history. Some of the replies people said, not fateful at all. The war was inevitable. You know, it was always coming. I think that's wrong. I think the fact that the victim was who he was actually two victims. We always forget one of the victims, Franz Ferdinand and his wife, Sophie, that the killer was Gavrilo princip and that it happened in Sarajevo, I think they are massively important in explaining why things happen as they do.

Right, so people who want to hear more about the murder, we've just done a four part series, so let's assume that they are dead.

Yeah, well, they are.

And the reverberations are spreading out from Sarajevo towards Austria and across Europe. So how do we go from an assassination happening? And it's a terrible thing, but assassinations, as we said in the previous series, lots of people are getting killed. We listed all the kind of various members of royalty and the presidents and so on who were assassinated in the 20th century. So what is it about this assassination that is different?

Right, well, let's start from the very beginning. So the news reaches Vienna, as we described. At the end of the last series, news reaches Vienna within hours. So we talked about Stefan Zweig in our Sarajevo series. We had a scene there of him being in a park and the band stopping playing. That is literally what happens. And it is a bit of a myth that the Austrians didn't care. It's often said, oh, Franz Ferdinand wasn't very popular. Who cared? That's not right. When you look at the press coverage, the newspapers editorials talk about the monsters of it all, our heir to the throne, the person on whom we'd placed all our hopes. Some newspapers in the habsburg monarchy have big pictures of the orphaned children, and they will play a part in the popular sort of discourse in Austria Hungary in the next few days. So it is a shocking event in and of itself. It is not nothing. I think it's sometimes dismissed, the assassination. Oh, there are loads of assassinations, and of course there are. But even in that context, it's still a shocking thing. And right away, the viennese papers say, well, this isn't actually like an anarchist assassination.

This is the fault of another country and of Serbia. They point the finger at Serbia. And, of course, Tom, as we described last time, they're not wrong. The killers almost certainly were groomed by terrorist groups that were embedded in serbian politics and the serbian army. They were helped across the border by serbian intelligence. And as we described in the last series, the serbian prime minister almost certainly knew that something was up before the crime happened. What is worse, from the austrian point of view, is that the people in Serbia are openly delighted by the killings of. So they are really shocked by this, the Austrians, the ambassador and his consuls and whatnot. They write back to Vienna and they say, people are celebrating. People are having toasts in the coffeehouses. Theyre laughing and singing serbian patriotic songs and whatnot. And the serbian prime minister gives a really inflammatory speech the day after the assassinations where rather than sort of saying, oh, gosh, what a terrible thing to have happened, we want to distance ourselves from this. The serbian prime minister, Nikola Pasic, says, if the Austrians try to exploit this, we will defend ourselves and we will fulfill our duty to our country.

And that obviously sends quite the wrong message as far as the Austrians are concerned.

Right.

And remember, as well, the Austrians have already been extremely anxious about Serbia. So we talked in the previous series about Austria Hungary. Austria Hungary has been in decline all through the reign of its current emperor, the 84 year old Franz Josef. It is this very strange empire, dual monarchy, half of it Austria, half of it Hungary, both sides governing a load of kind of Slavs, Romanians Italians and whatever, Ukrainians. It kind of works. You know, you can live your whole life under that system and be very happy and say, this is a great system. I love it. But people have a tremendous sense of anxiety about decline and about kind of fragmentation, and they look across their border at Serbia, which has doubled in size in the last two years, and the Serbs make no secret of their antipathy to Austria Hungary, their belief that South Slavs living in the empire's border should actually be part of Serbia. And there have been people, as we talked about in the previous series, within Austria Hungary, most famously the head of their general staff, their chief general, who is a guy called Franz Konrad von Hutzendorf, who have been saying, let's have a crack at the Serbs, let's launch a preemptive strike.

You know, we have to settle this, because they will eat away at our empire. So he had. Remember, we said he'd pressed for war 25 times in the course of the previous twelve months, and the Archduke Franz.

Ferdinand had resisted, which is part of the irony, because he then gets cast as a kind of bellicose warmonger. But the opposite was the case. He was very much the spokesman for the peace party.

Yeah. So with Franz Ferdinand Gomm, the person who's going to be the key decision maker is actually an old childhood friend of his. Now, all the austrian people in this story, Tom, have absolutely splendid names. Would you like to have a go at the austrian foreign minister's name, or would you like me to do it?

Shall I have a crackhead?

Go for it.

I'll give it a go. Leopold Anton Johann Sigismund Josef cosines. Ferdinand Graf Berchthold von und Ingarschitz. Is that right?

Ungar Schiz.

Ungar Schiz. Freitling und.

Yeah, Count Berchtold, for short. So, Count Berchtold, he's actually, in many ways, a very attractive man. He's a hungarian magnate, so he has loads of lands in Hungary. He loves literature, he loves art and horses.

Doesn't everyone in Austria Hungary? I mean, this is very much the impression I get.

I think they do, by law. Some people probably are more into the strudels and stuff. I don't know. A charming cavalier, says Thomas Otti. He was seen as a man of conciliation and moderation. And he had grown up with Franz Ferdinand Berkethold's wife, had been one of Sophie's best friends ever since they were girls.

Okay, so it's personal for him.

So it's personal. He hears the news and he's at his castle, which is now in the Czech Republic, a place called Buchlau. And he rushes by train to Vienna, and he goes straight into a meeting with General Conrad. So again, it's a bit like, for our american listeners, for example, it's like the atmosphere after 911. They're right in a crisis meeting. What are we going to do? And Conrad says, he's still kind of Dick Cheney figure. And he says, okay, I've been telling you for years, we have to do this. If you have a poisonous adder at your heel, you stamp on its head. You do not wait for the lethal bite. And Bertolt wrote in his diary, he said, conrad, who's quite a gloomy figure because he's got this tangled love life, hasn't hedged with Gina.

Yes, he just writes love letters to her that he never sends.

That he never sends. He's got a big scrapbook. So Conrad, with a faraway look of melancholy on his fine featured face, he concluded emphatically with three words, war. War. War. So there we have one kind of leadership group who clearly do want a war. They don't want a world war, but they want a war against Serbia for what they see as completely understandable and justifiable reasons. All across the austrian diplomatic service, and especially in Belgrade, people are saying, come on, now, enough. We can't just let ourselves be humiliated on the world stage at the assassination of our heir and his wife. You've got to punish that.

And because issues of prestige, national prestige, will be a running theme throughout the story, won't it?

Yeah.

And people are anxious that if that prestige is damaged, it will be bad for them. And so, therefore, planning a war of aggression, in a way, is a defensive measure.

Right? The Austrians see this as completely defensive. They say, we have been provoked and provoked and provoked, and if we do not act now, when would we ever act? And you know what, Tom? I don't think you have to be particularly austrophile to see why that would seem illogical. I mean, put it this way. We did a podcast series about JFK. Imagine the Cubans had assassinated JFK. It had been proved. Would Washington have just said, oh, well, we'll let it go. We'll file a complaint at the international criminal court? Of course they wouldn't have.

Well, I mean, it's so interesting, isn't it? Because Kennedy was obsessed by this. So Barbara Tuchman's book, the Guns of August, he was obsessed by it. And, you know, he felt that he was trying to learn the lessons for that. During the cuban missile crisis.

Yeah.

And then I think LBJ, likewise, he was determined not to generate a kind of first world war scenario after Kennedy's death. So he was very anxious about that because he had the lesson in front of him.

Well, they don't have that lesson. Right. This has not happened before. They don't have that lesson, so they.

Don'T know what's going to happen.

So we're talking about 28th, 29 June. There's lots of talk in the austrian foreign ministry and elsewhere, settle accounts, as they put it, with Serbia. But, of course, what does that mean? Does it mean that you crush it or does it mean you annex it? What do you do? And also, what does it mean for the rest of Europe in the world of alliances? What are the consequences? And right from the start, the amazing thing, the really extraordinary thing about the austrian response is they don't really think about that second question at all. All the historians who've written about it talk about their tunnel vision. They are just thinking about Serbia and they think, well, the rest of the world can take care of itself. We're not going to worry about that now. And I think part of that is they clearly feel very embattled and encircled and they just think we can only concentrate on one thing at a time and we're just going to think about Serbia and the rest will take care of itself. And then the second thing, I think they have a tremendous sense of sort of a ticking clock.

Time is running out, and if we don't act on this right now, we can't have those conversations. So we haven't got time.

Right. Because the longer they leave it, the more the shock of the assassination will fade on the international stage and the less sympathy there will be for any armed measures.

Yes. I also think they don't really think about the possibility of a world war because they are convinced that the Serbs will back down. They had issued two ultimatums to Serbia before in very recent years, one in 1908 over the annexation of Bosnia and won in 1913 over the Serbs after the balkan wars had occupied Albania and the Austrians told them to get out. And both times the Serbians had backed down. And Count Burch told this very urbane cosmopolis, and not a warmonger at all, but he says to his colleagues, listen, these people are just like anarchic, horrible children, and if you're firm with them, they will back down and go away. And that's what we have to do.

Well, unless they can appeal to another, another parent figure.

Yeah.

Which presumably lurks to the east, in the form of Russia.

Exactly. So Serbia does have this patron, Russia. They're close allies. However, again, the austrian Foreign service say Russia is not ready for war. They're in the middle of a big rearmament program. They won't want to go to war until they finish that. Plus, they've had standoffs with the Russians before. So people often say, why is it this crisis, rather than previous crises, that causes the first world war? Because the Russians, for example, had backed down in 1908 when Austria had annexed Bosnia Herzegovina. Well, the thing is, the Austrians say, the Russians back down, too. The Serbs back down, the Russians back down when you are strong. And, of course, they are drawing from this the wrong lesson. They are thinking that if you back down twice, you'll back down a third time. Of course, there's always the possibility that if you've already backed down twice, you will say to yourself, never again, because.

Then your prestige will be damaged and that might threaten your security. And the dominoes fall.

Exactly. So by two days after the assassination, the Austrians have pretty much made up their minds. Count Berchtel goes to see the 84 year old monarch, Franz Josef at the Schonbrunn palace, and he says, come on, we've made up our minds, let's do this. And the monarch says, sure, okay, I agree with you. Unfortunately, we will need to get the prime minister of Hungary on board. We can't just go straight into this, because, of course, the dual monarchy system and the prime minister of Hungary is a guy called Ishtvarn Tisa. He's another kind of count landowner. He's from the magyar gentry. He's a very impressive man, Tom. He was educated at Heidelberg and he's got a PhD from Oxford. He's very rich, he's very ruthless, he's very clever. He's a fanatical defender of hungarian interests. Magyar interests is devoted to the monarchy, but he's always looking to get a better deal for the Hungarians. And the one thing that he doesn't want is more Slavs in the empire, because that will dilute the hungarian presence, you see. So Count Tisa says, I don't like the idea of attacking Serbia. I don't want a whole load of new Slavs in the empire.

He actually says that very afternoon. So the afternoon that Bergthold has gone to see Franz Josef at Schonbrunn, they meet and Count Tisa says, it would be a fatal mistake to make the abominable deed of Sarajevo a pretext for settling scores with Serbia. So you might think that with that, the chances of war are gone. The Austrians have talked about it for two days and bang, you're not going to have it. But Berchtold and the other people think, no, we can persuade this hungarian guy, because we will invoke our great friend, our great ally, the richest and most powerful country in Europe.

Europe.

And they will sway him and they will persuade him to join us. And that country, Tom, is, of course, Germany.

Germany at last. Ok, so I think we should take a break now. And when we come back, Dominik, let's look at how the Austrians approach Germany in the context of their plans for attacking Serbia. But before we do that, let's look at what is it that makes Germany a great power. And are there possibly any entertaining figures at the head of the german empire? Are there indeed any entertaining figures who might rank as friends of the show? You know, spoiler there are. So don't go away. Hello and welcome back to the rest is history. And, Dominic, we are moving from Vienna to Berlin to the heart of the german empire. And I guess that for most people, the causes of the First World War, certainly if you're british, will be tied up with an image of Germany as a militarist land, a land of shaven headed junkers wearing, you know, helmets with terrifying spikes on a general sense of militarism. But that would be unfair to Wilhelmine Germany, wouldn't it?

I think it probably would be a bit unfair. First of all, there is some truth in it, but it would be a bit unfair. People who've been listening to the rest of his history for the last three decades will know that we once did an episode about Wilhelmine Germany with Katja Heuer, great friend of the show, and she was painting a picture of it. And it's a really interesting and complicated place. So Germany has only existed since 1870. It was created in the franco prussian war and created, of course, in France, at the hall of Mirrors in Versailles. If you ever look at the painting, google it. An amazing scene, very medieval. All the german princes are there.

Generals, Bismarck, because it's echoing the first Reich, which was the empire of Charlemagne. And now you have the second Reich.

Yeah, exactly. And, you know, they have a lot to be proud of. So they are a very militaristic country. The army has lots of privileges. The army is embedded in the politics of that world.

Because, Dominic, just to re emphasize this, it is the army that has given Germany its rank as the most dominant military power, not just in central Europe, but in Europe, displacing the power that previously had held that status, which was France.

Yes, exactly.

And France had not only been kind of richly humiliated by that kind of ritual in Versailles, but it had also been shorn of Alsace and Lorraine.

Yes, it absolutely had. And what's more, I think Germany is still a conglomeration of countries, I suppose you could say, which all happen to speak German. Some are Protestants, some are Catholic. They're very different kind of traditions. But the army, as so often the army is a kind of, you know, it's an imperial institution. The army embodies germanness in a way that other things maybe don't really do to the same extent. So the army really matters. But there is more to Germany than its army. It has the world's biggest socialist party.

We talked about them at the start of the show.

Social democrats. Yeah.

The fact that they've won a third.

Of the seats they have. It has the strongest trade union movement in Europe. It has by far the most developed welfare state of any major european country. So, in other words, the kaisers, Germany, it's definitely not the Third Reich. It's not a dictatorship, it's not Sparta.

I mean, it has spartan elements, but it's also. I mean, it's an intellectual powerhouse, and therefore it's a scientific powerhouse, and therefore it's an industrial powerhouse.

Yeah. It's the world of Thomas Mann and scientists. Exactly. Yeah.

And so as a result of that, Germany has rivaled France and maybe surpassed it militarily, and it is starting to rival and perhaps surpass Britain industrially.

Yeah. In a way that actually terrifies people, as we will see. But of course, at the top of this system, it's a very colorful person, one of history's great loose canons, I think it's fair to say. And is he a friend of the rest of his history time?

I think he is. I think he has accompanied us throughout many, many years of this podcast. He always pops up and it's great to have him back.

Yeah. Kaiser Wilhelm II. And he is the person, I guess, that most of the people listening to this podcast will say, ah, now they've got to the culprit, because it's the Kaiser who caused the first world War. His insane lust for conquest, his ambition to dominate Europe. He glories in suffering. What a terrible man. At the end of the first world War, people in Britain would say, you know, hanging the Kaiser. Kaiser is solely responsible.

But there are scholars, aren't there, who do still make that case?

Oh, there are.

Just to say, this is still very much a live issue in history departments.

Not all scholars would make that by any case, Tom, but let's let people make up their own minds. I think what is certainly true is he is an enormously colorful and strange figure, isn't he? So he was born in 1859, and he's the oldest of Queen Victoria's 42 grandchildren.

Because his mother is british.

Yes, because his mother is Vicky, who is Queen Victoria's sort of her favorite child in many ways, her daughter, who was sent off to marry Prince Friedrich Wilhelm of Prussia. So in 1859, she is delivered of this boy, Wilhelm, and everything goes wrong straight away. The birth was awful, incredibly traumatic. He was a breech baby. He was almost asphyxiated. And the doctors kind of completely panicked. God knows what they were doing, but they basically tore all the nerves in his neck, kind of getting him out, and as a result, his left arm was left completely useless. So, you know, famously, when you see pictures of him, he's always hiding his left arm or it's sort of tucked into his jacket or it's in his pocket or something.

And I guess if you're a psychologist, and Germany and Austria are the great homes of psychology as well, you would say that perhaps there's some compensation going on in the fact that he will grow up to become, you know, he'll love a uniform.

He will. But you know what? It doesn't actually end there. So there's a guy called John Roule.

He hates the Kaiser, doesn't he?

He hates the Kaiser, but he basically devoted about a thousand years of his life to writing about the Kaiser in this 6 million page trilogy. And he talks, and that's about basically when the Kaiser was a little boy. I mean, he wasn't the Kaiser then. When Wilhelm was a little boy, his doctors, twice a week, would plunge his arm. Now, this will sound weird. Into the body of a freshly slaughtered hare. They would put his arm in because they thought it would impart his arm with the vigor and vitality of this dead hare.

I'm really surprised by that, because I had Germany down, as, you know, the home of cutting edge science and medicine.

What you're forgetting, Tom, is it is also the home of horrendous spas and spa treatments.

I haven't forgotten that. I mean, people who listen to our episode on the night of the long knives will know that we love a spa town in a german political tragedy. But, I mean, that really is something that's quite spartan.

Yeah. Oh, it is.

It doesn't seem the cutting edge of early 20th century science, which is what I would associate Germany with 1860s Prussia.

I don't know.

Oh, I suppose it is. Yes, I suppose it is earlier. But it still seems odd.

Are you after more advanced progressive medicine? They've got it.

Yeah. Go on. What else do they do?

They've got a machine for stretching your head.

Oh, no.

So they would put this. When he was like a toddler, they would put him in this machine and sort of. I don't know. It's the opposite of a vice. It kind of stretches your head out. Oh.

Anyway, they've got that kind of heath Robinson device. Scatty haired professors.

Yeah, Heath Robinson device. It didn't do him any good. So for years he's got this pungent pus oozing from his right ear and basically oozed continually until his late thirties. When eventually they said, look, his eardrums. Gotta go. They took his eardrum out.

I'm really starting to feel sympathy for him.

If you're not feeling sympathy already. His mother, Vicky, british, but behaves very poorly because she said to him, you're a cripple. Your conversation, you know, is beneath you. He was five years old when she told him this. And then she said, no lady will ever have you with your black finger.

What's his black finger?

I think that's his arm.

Oh, that's not good parenting, is it?

Imagine saying that to your son. I mean, mad.

He must have very bad mental health.

He has very poor mental health because he also has these terrible tutors who force him to work. He has to start work at 06:00 in the morning and work all the way through till 10:00 at night. Now, Tom, you and I do that now. Preparing episodes of the rest is history.

We do.

But we didn't do that when we were seven. So you said about the Kaiser's mental health. He once said to one of his friends, something is missing in me that other people have all poetic feeling in me has been dead and has been killed.

God, he really needs better help.

Yeah, he definitely does. But also, Tom, did you see this? Christopher Clarke, who's also a biographer of the Kaiser, but more sympathetic than John Rawle, talks in his book the Sleepwalkers, about the Kaiser's, what he calls his insane burblings.

So in your notes, you have this under a heading which is in black print, so I won't miss it. The Tom Holland of the diplomatic world. I don't know what you mean by that. What are you saying? Are you saying I have inane burblings?

You love a scheme. You love a wheeze. You love an inane burble, you know. Do I?

Oh, okay.

Would you deny that? Can you look me in the eye and deny that?

Tom, I don't think there are name Burblings. I think they're to the point.

Well, I mean, the Kaiser. I'll tell you about his insane burblings. In the late 1890s, he suggested founding a german colony in the middle of Brazil, in the Amazon rainforest called New Germany. And he told everybody to encourage immigration. Everyone ignored him, obviously, in 1899. So just a few years later, he said, actually, I've changed my mind. I think we should have a german colony in Mesopotamia. In the desert. In Mesopotamia. He tried to partition China in 1903. Years after that, he suddenly stunned his aides by saying, latin America is our target. And he ordered the admiralty to prepare invasion plans of Cuba, Puerto Rico and New York.

Okay, that's all very interesting, but I still want to come back to. In what way is that? Like me?

Mad schemes, ill thought out schemes. Tom, I think thats the claim. Do you not want to do a podcast about Chatham High Street?

I do. And were going to. Thats the difference. Because none of these things happened. But we are going to be doing an episode on chassis high street.

Right. Well, anyway, so he's always come out with alliance projects as well. So he will say, listen, Chris Clarke has a very amusing list. With Russia and France against Japan and Britain, with Japan and the United States against Britain, Russia and France, with China and the United States against Japan and Russia. He's like a man with a load of cards, and he's mixing them up.

But to be fair, Dominic, to be fair to anyone who's played the game, diplomacy, I mean, this could be quite kind of shrewd. This is what you do in the game.

It is.

You're constantly making alliances and then stabbing people in the back.

He loves this, you see? And what he will do is he will have his dinner parties. We talked once in our history's most disastrous parties episode about his disastrous hunting trip with Dietrich Graf von Hulsenhazler, who dressed up as a ballerina and died in mid pirouette. So these people will gather, and when they're dressing as ballerinas and dying, the kaiser is saying to them, why don't we team up with the Portuguese and invade Paraguay? You know, he'll be just whittering this nonsense.

Yeah.

So Chris Clark says he was an extreme exemplar of that edwardian social category the club bore, who is forever explaining some pet project to the man in the next chair. And of course, the man in the next chair, because he's the kaiser of Germany. The man in the next chair is usually a visiting royal, a head of.

State, the american ambassador, that kind of thing.

Yeah. Who will always be horrified. King Ferdinand of Bulgaria, who was actually german, the Kaiser smacked him on the bottom in public. And apparently he left Berlin White hot with hatred at having been so humiliated.

Do you know, I'm feeling fonder and fonder of the Kaiser with each anecdote.

King Leopold of the Belgians. So this is the Leopold who disgraced himself in the Congo. He went to Berlin for the Kaiser's birthday party. And the kaiser at that, thought it was amusing banter to say, I fancy I'm gonna crack at the French. If you join me, I will give you the crown of old Burgundy. And Leopold was so upset by this, apparently, that when he left the party, he'd wearing his helmet the wrong way round.

I just think he's being a snowflake there.

But of course, the Kaiser's great target is Britain. Now, he is half british by blood, so you could say, what's going on there? And the answer is obvious. He hated his parents, who were real anglophiles, because they've been putting his head into a machine and forcing his arm into the dead body of a hare.

And do you think he associates this with Britain? Kind of torture by medical contraptions? This is the british way of parenthood.

Yeah. I think the great thing with the Kaiser that makes him so entertaining a character is that on the one hand, he clearly worships Britain. He thinks Britain is the exemplar. He wants to go yachting with british officers.

And this is the whole point of the wrong shoes at cows stuff.

Yeah.

He does not want to be snubbed by the British. No, he wants to be admired by them. And actually, he is quite admired by the British, isn't Hedden? So, at the funeral of Edward VII.

Who Wilhelm really hates, called him Satan.

There you go. I mean, that is. That's hatred. But he gets the loudest cheers from the crowd.

Yeah, he's a character, you see, the British love a character, don't they?

Yeah.

He's often disgracing himself in Britain because he gave a disastrous interview to the Daily Telegraph in which he sort of. He said, the English are as mad as march hares. They don't like me, but they should love and respect me. They're absolutely mad, I tell you, Madden. And they printed this and it was incredibly embarrassing. And basically, this was one of the many occasions when his own foreign office sort of banned him from giving more interviews because they said he's totally unreliable. I think what it is is, as I said, he's Queen Victoria's oldest grandchild. Britain is, as it were, to some extent, the mother country. He wants his own country, Germany, to be taken seriously. He wants to be taken seriously himself. When he goes to Britain and the whole wrong shoes thing, there is a sense that everybody is laughing at him the whole time. And, of course, for somebody who basically is still the little boy who, you know, his left arm is useless, he has been hideously tortured by his doctors, all of that. You can absolutely understand why that would eat away at your self confidence.

It's also the kind of the languid period, isn't it, of Britain's affectation of effortless superiority.

Yeah.

Which is expressed in men's tailoring and everything that we were talking about in our episode on that and the yachting and the regattas. Britain is setting the rules on how people at the top end of society should behave. And clearly, this is something that burns the Kaiser up.

Yeah, absolutely it does, Tom. Now, does all this matter? That's the question. Does this matter in this series? Now, if you're John Rawl, his biographer, you say it does matter that the Kaiser is eaten up by hatred and has become a monstrous figure, a bully and a braggarthe, and that he will direct policy. On the other hand, even historians who are quite tough on Germany, someone like Max Hastings, he says ultimately, the kaiser is quite a comic figure. He is a uniformed version of Kenneth Graham's mister Toad. And the thing is, the kaiser is not a dictator and he's not an absolute monarch. And there are lots of examples, often very amusing, of his staff just completely ignoring him, you know, laughing at him behind his back.

This is why you're comparing him to me. Thanks.

No, not at all, Tom.

I will have my revenge, Dominic, even if it plunges goalhanger into world war.

Do you see this wonderful story about him writing a letter to Theodore Roosevelt in 1908? So he wrote a letter to Theodore Roosevelt, and the german ambassador refused to give it to Roosevelt. And he said in private to the other ambassadors, it's not appropriate for the emperor of Germany to write to the president of the United States as an infatuated schoolboy might write to a pretty seamstress. I don't know what was in the letter.

Scorching stuff.

Anyway, the one thing we can say about the guys that is admirable, he is a great friend as we talked about in our Sarajevo series of Franz Ferdinand and Sophie. So when other people are snubbing Sophie because she's only a duchess or whatever she was. Countess. The kaiser is actually really good on this. And the Kaiser says, no, no, you can come as equals to my castle. We can shoot loads of birds together.

In that way, he is quite like me.

Really kind. Ultimately a kind person.

Ultimately a kind person. I don't stand on ceremony.

No.

When I. I invite people to shooting parties on my scottish estate.

No, you don't. No, you don't. Tom, it's one thing I've often said about you. Yeah. That you will associate people from all backgrounds, don't you?

I certainly will.

Lovely.

And also, the other thing I love, of course, is a yachting holiday in the Baltic.

Yeah.

He loves that as well.

He's on one when he finds out the terrible news that his friend Franz Ferdinand and Sophie have been murdered on the afternoon of Sunday, the 28 June, is in the Baltic on his yacht, in the Kiel regatta. And the Kiel regatta is actually a brilliant place of kind of anglo german friendship. There's lots of kind of drinkier toasts and bants.

I do like the way that yacht's will be appearing regularly throughout the build up to the first World War.

Oh, good. That's nice.

This is another example of it.

Yeah. He learns the news in a very edwardian yachting way. So he's about to set off on his yacht and a motor launch comes alongside, blowing its horn urgently. And on the motor launch is Admiral Georg von Muller, who was the head of his naval cabinet. And he throws up his cigarette case and a guy catches the cigarette case, opens it. It's a note for the kaiser, and it says, Franz Ferdinand and Sophie being murdered. And the kaiser. The blood drains from his face. He turns pale and he says, I don't know why he says this, but this is what he says. He says, everything has to start again. And he's very upset. I think often when people tell this story, even very great historians who write this story sometimes forget that the Kaiser is not just a joke, he is actually a human being and that this was one of his only friends and he's genuinely upset about it and troubled.

And is a fellow royal who's been assassinated.

Yeah. In a world when, you know, royals are often being assassinated. Right. So it's a frightening thing. So we know that he scribbles in the days after the assassination, the Serbs need to be sorted out. This is something that is on his mind. On the other hand. He's written that about almost every country in Europe in the last ten years or so. And the thing with the Kaiser is he's very bellicose, and he's always coming up with these mad ideas, podcasts about Chatham, high street, you name it. However, he actually has no record of starting a war. He has never invaded anybody. He's never attacked another european country. The Germans have been involved in southwest Africa very horrifically. But that campaign, actually, they'd got there. They'd started all that business before he even became emperor. And, of course, all european countries are.

Behaving badly in Africa and in the context of Europe. He's friends with Franz Ferdinand, who is.

A man of peace, a peace advocate. He has repeatedly sided with Franz Ferdinand about that. And he once made a joke to Franz Ferdinand. He said, you Austrians, I wish you'd stop rattling with my saber.

Yeah, very good. I'm also a man of peace, Dominic. So, again, another point of resemblance.

There's very much a Franz Ferdinand Wilhelm II vibe at the heart of this podcast, isn't it, do you not think?

Yeah, I think there is.

So I think de Kaiser is actually quite typical of a lot of the Germans in this period. So we will talk in a later episode about their chief general, the man who masterminds the opening german campaigns of the first World War, who is General Helmut von Moltke. The younger Moltke has always said to the Austrians, if there is ever a war, we will stand beside you, but don't start it. Please don't start a war. You know, we'll be there for you one day. The Teutons and the Slavs will fight it out, of course, led to be would believe this in the late 1930s century, because it's the age of kind of racial thinking and social darwinist thinking. But Moltke had said explicitly, there will one day be a war which will be a struggle between germandom and slavdom, but the attack must come from the Slavs. That is, let them start it, but we can't start it. So that is the situation. In fact, the Austrians, as they're sitting there, you know, surrounded by Sasha torta with their enormous mustaches, saying, let's have a crack at the Serbs. Their big worry is the Germans will let us down.

The Germans are all talk, and they'll never follow through.

I mean, that traditionally has been the image of the Germans, that they are kind of dreamy idealists. And I guess there's a kind of legacy of that, even as they kind of go you know, attacking the French and so on.

Yeah, but the Austrians are absolutely set on this, General Conrade, Count von Bechtold. They think if we do not take this chance now, it is the end of our empire. And actually, I think they also think we owe it to Franz Ferdinand that, sure, he was a man of peace and he gave the Serbs every possible latitude, and they rewarded him for it by murdering him. And now we have to avenge him. So Count Berchtold says, I'm going to send my chief of staff. He's a younger guy. He's called Count Alexander Hoyos. He's young, but he's very experienced and he's a kind of hardliner. I will send Hoyos to Berlin to discuss with the Germans in person. And they give him two documents. One is a kind of general memorandum. The other is a personal letter from the emperor Franz Josef to the Kaiser explaining exactly what he wants. And it's on that letter, Tom, that the fortunes of Europe will turn right.

So let's finish today's episode, and in the next episode, you can find out what the impact of those two letters are on the Kaiser, on the alliance between Germany and Austria, and by extension, how people who are opposed to Germany and Austria in Russia, in France and even in Britain will react. So that'll be coming out very soon. But if you want the next episode and all of this series on the road to the outbreak of the First World War, then you can get them all in one go by signing up to the rest is history club, which you can find at the restish history.com. until then, goodbye.

Alfida Zemdez.