Welcome to this special masterclass. We brought some of the top experts in the world to help you unlock the power of your life through this specific theme today. It's going to be powerful, so let's go ahead and dive in. What do you think are the keys to manifesting?

Firstly, did you manifest it or did the universe give you the sign of what to want because that's what it was trying to send you or get you to go towards it in the first place, right? Is it your voice or is it the universe's voice inside you? How do you know? We don't. That's the number one thing. I think the second thing about manifesting is there's a difference between manifesting a chocolate cake, okay, versus manifesting your purpose, your destiny, your soulmates, your life partners, things that are really your things that were always supposed to be yours and always supposed to come to you. I think it's almost egotistical to say you manifested them. Or maybe there just needs to be different words. Did you put the amount of energy into the right things and grow your consciousness to a level that you were able to then get those things? If that's what you want to call manifesting, those are the things. And in which case, it's okay to want anything, including money, if it comes from your soul. And you almost can't explain why you want that thing. If you're going after something you think you want because it's going to give you something else, then that's a short circuit because you might get it.

But then, like you said, it might not stay or you might not be fulfilled during it. So I think you can manifest anything, but you may as well manifest those things that your soul really wants rather than the things that you think you should be manifesting or from an ego place.

How do we know when it's a soul desire versus an ego desire that we want to manifest something?

I think an ego desire is I want it because it's going to give me something else, like a secondary thing, or because I think I will like myself more or my parents will like me more when I want it, or I'll be more impressive to others, like you were saying about making other people happy, that stuff. In which case, if you really want to make your parents happy, and that's a true desire from inside, and you really feel this yearning from within that you don't even know why you want your parents to be happy, but maybe that was your karma of your life, then just ask for that. Don't short-circuited by asking for the thing that you think is necessary for you to get that end result. Just ask for the end result and let the universe fill in the details. But I think when it comes from your soul, you can't explain why you want it. It's just this drive of like... I tell people, you can see in people's design, people who are motivated by money. Their soul just wants money. Or their soul just wants same or wants to be recognized or wants to be seen.

There's nothing inherently evil or wrong about those things. Because, for example, your soul might make you want money so that you move into the house that's next door to the person that you had the greatest calm I to heal with. We don't know what leads to what. So it's not good to judge them by certain things are good to want or bad to want. But if you want them from a true purpose reason, it's coming from inside you and you can't explain why you want it or what you it's going to give you. You just know you want it.

Why do you think so many people suffer a struggle who are also in personal development and they haven't figured out how to get through to the next level?

I love this question because I think it's so pertinent for this time. I think we've gone through such an awakening of spirituality. But I guess I feel like a lot of people that I speak to, it's almost like they need to feel like I'm taking you into account and then doing your personal development based on what is present in you, right? Rather than funneling us into these things, where I don't know, I felt like more of a failure when I was trying to do all the spiritual stuff and feeling like I wasn't moving my life forward. When I found this thing of do this and do this and don't just take me on a word, but see if your life actually changes, and it did. Then from seeing so many testimonials of people just using this practical manual, That's when I think it empowers you because you feel like you're capable of doing something rather than just like, Here's my thing. Trust the universe. Go and do your thing and think abundantly. How am I not thinking abundantly? How does abundant thinking look on me? How do I use my specific gifts? If I want to be a nurse, what's the best nurse for me to be based on who I am and what I bring to the table?

Because you might be a nurse where you're going to be more in your power and more capable and more valued by being nurturing and really connecting to that part of you. Or you might be the nurse who's very good at the ops and the organization and the whatever. So what's nice about this is it makes you feel more in touch with your personal power because you know what to bring, you know what to lead with. And that subconsciously is what people will value you for the most, even if they don't know how. We're all reading each other's energy without knowing what we're doing. But we'll be like, this person is someone who's capable, who I trust, who seems good at what they do. We gravitate towards people like that. This is like, everybody is equally genius and powerful, but you have to flex it. Then these are things that you're going to flex, you're going to get more energy out of, you're going to get more bang, feel, buck out of, rather than, The best nurses are this, the best moms are this.

There's what, 8 billion people in the world right now, and there's probably a lot of them, a majority of them, that will never know their human design. They're never going to go through the assessment, and I guess it's not an assessment, but what do you call it? Running a chart? Running a chart. Probably most people are never going to do that in the world. For those that don't know their human design, how do they fully tap into this? Really this wisdom, this knowledge, this power in order to live a more fulfilling, meaningful life. If they don't know their human design, are they just doomed forever? Or do they trust their gut on things better? How do they know where they're supposed to go, what the roadmap is for them for creating a meaningful, fulfilling life?

I think the number one is that we have these very homogenized ideas of the good ways to be, the cool ways to be, the very few things that we've been taught are going to lead us to be successful or to be lovable. People who we call geniuses are usually like, artistically creative, or they're really good at some tech thing, or they're good at athletic prowess.

They're gifted in some way.

Those three things. No one is ever going to raise someone and say, The amount of care that you have for people is your USP, and that's going to make you crazy, insanely successful. We're not brought up that way. In a similar way, you're not brought up to say, Okay, well, as a mom, if you're very good at strategizing, then that's going to make you the best mom that you can be. But if you can think about those random little things that you maybe think are uncool or that might not lead you to anything, and you can back those things, I think you can just do that and not know anything about your design and just take a bet on those unusual little pockets that aren't everywhere.

Yeah, these are the underappreciated gifts that a lot of people have. When I started this show, I remember thinking to myself, I have no idea how to run a podcast or to do this thing. It's not what I was skilled to do. But I've always been fascinated by people and just curious and always ask these weird, random questions. I was like, Well, maybe there's something from this. I just tapped into asking weird, random questions, and people seem to like it. But I was listening to that thing within me. Okay, here's a hidden gift that I don't think is valuable, but let's see where it goes. By going into that, it worked out for me. What I'm hearing you say is, Try to find the hidden gifts within you that maybe don't seem celebrated by others all the time.

It's risky. I say that lightly, but it's a huge risk because your mind, again, is going to say, No, but how are you ever going to support yourself on that? How are you ever going to make money? No one's going to think you're cool. What are you doing? To be honest with you, the fact that we even think there are certain guarantees is an illusion anyway to life. Really, this is actually working with reality that everything is an unknown. But it's really hard, and it's the daily practice of human design. It's like, again, like I said, your your design doesn't change, but every single day to listen to your gut on every single thing, it's hard. You have to do it in new pockets of your life, right? And you have to relearn it and relearn it and get to another level with it and then refine. So this mind thing of, are you sure? Are you not crazy? When I first sat my parents down and told them I was closing my food business to read human design. I mean, I literally thought my highest aspiration would be like, they wheel me out on the lottery with a wig and I read the lucky numbers.

It wasn't cool. It wasn't a thing. This is eight, nine years ago now, right? So I took a chance on that It's a random thing that I didn't know where it was going to lead me, right? And it's not the career choice that is going to take us far. It's how much we show up and be our most actualized, present, powerful, capable, liking who we are along the way. That's the thing that's the magic in people. It doesn't actually matter what you're doing. You can make a fortune out of gardening if you do it the right way, if you get that zing with it.

Absolutely. I think I saw one of your videos on Instagram, you talking about really leaning into your passion in terms of being passionate about what you're doing and being excited about it because that unlocks new pathways, new doors for you when you're living into that. When we're doing something that I feel like we're skilled at, but we don't fully fall in love with, we're in resistance still. Like, okay, yes, I have this talent over here, but my intuition is not telling me that that's what I want to do with my time. Or maybe, I used to be really good at baseball for a long time. But then when I turned 17, I just I didn't have the energy for it anymore. I just didn't care enough about it to keep pursuing it. I started to pursue track and field. Great things came out of that decision to leave something I had talent in to pursue something that I was more excited about. I think it's learning how to trust the timing of this as well, when to do this. What about in relationships? How have you learned about what is a good relationship, whether it be in business partnerships or career or an intimacy based on human design.

Okay. People always ask about, Are generators compatible with this or that or whatever? Now, from a human design perspective, if you have chemistry with somebody, you're compatible. You just need to learn the other person so that there is no me trying to change you or us trying to be on the same page or me misunderstanding the very innocent reasons why you do something that I'm thinking you're sitting down on that chair for a different motivation than you would be sitting down on that chair. So anybody is compatible with anybody if you're drawn to that person. For the time, for the exact amount of time, you still are drawn to that person. But if you can learn someone else's manual, for example, manifesting generators are very fast people. And so if you're a projector who's with a manifesting generator to honor each other's different speeds, that already gets rid of so much friction. Or if you understand that somebody, for example, my mom. When I did a reading for my mom for the first time and I When I saw her main gift, everybody has one gift in their life that's the main thing they came here to do.

When I saw her main gift was about almost being a little bit abrasive and abrupt in order to shake people out of things. So my mom would be the person who... She'll see someone wheeling a baby down the street and she's like, Put a hat on that baby. I always used to think that was rude and inappropriate. But in a way, if you're doing it with the right consciousness, that's obviously another thing, the way that you animate it. There's a purpose for every single role that people play in society. When you know the reason why someone is the way they are, you're not judging them anymore. You're not thinking that they're wrong. You're not trying to fit them in to be more like you. What happens with our differences, if we know them, then I can actually vicariously enjoy yours through you when I'm not threatened by them, when I don't think that I have to be more like you or you have to be more like me, and I'm trying to think who's better or worse. I'm like, Isn't that so beautiful that your main gift is whatever it is? Well, I know what yours are.

What is my main gift?

So your main gift is, number number 36, and that's turning darkness into light. A lot of the stuff that you're here to do is to pull out from the places that people don't necessarily look at or talk about and to bring them into awareness, to alchemize things that are maybe more negative into more positive things. Then your secondary one, and they play nicely together, is really about bonding with people and breaking through barriers, which you clearly do. I've known you for an hour, and you're very good at it. Those two things, I know that I don't have to be them because you're really good at them and I'm good at other things. Then you actually just literally, you survive off seeing other people in their guests. It takes so much fun. In relationships and in business partnerships, you can do the same thing. We were like, It's so cool how you do that, and yet there's no part of me that thinks I have to be the same way. The harmony in that is life-changing.

I mean, you were essentially learning and studying human design for the last, what, eight or nine years, right? Mm-hmm. But you were also in a relationship during that time at some point. I think you were in a relationship for four years, you said. How did you know when you're in the relationship, when there was alignment with the relationship versus, All right, there's not alignment, or did you miss something in the relationship that you weren't following your own wisdom, your own intuition.

Okay, so my intuition is emotional, which means that we have to make decisions based on how things make us feel, happy or sad, literally that black and white. So either we're up here or we're down here. And 50% of the population is emotional, which is crazy.

So what's your energy type?

I'm a projector.Projector?Yeah. Okay. But my emotional intuition, what it says is, again, You don't need to understand with your mind why your intuition is telling you what it's telling you. That's where we trip up. Intuition, you just have to listen to it. Just trust it. Just trust it.

Don't try to understand it.

Don't try to understand it. So what our mind does, it comes in, secondary, and goes, These are the reasons why, and this is the logic, and this was this, and this was that, and it wasn't aligned, and he was this and that. That's all noise.

That's why you hear a lot of women that say, He looked great on paper. Yeah. He had all the things that my parents thought This was awesome. The school he went to, where he worked. Everything seemed to line up, but I just didn't have something inside of me that wanted to commit.

Right? Yeah.

That was a lot of women saying that, right?

Yeah, it's making decisions with the mind rather than with the body.

Why do so many people make decisions with the mind rather than the body?

Well, to get a little bit historical on you, if you think about where humanity has been for the last couple of hundred years, it has been a lot of top-down control. A population is easier to convince you all to go to war and to do certain things. If this is the logic, we all have to agree on the logic. There's one objective reality, let's all get on the same page, rather than there is no objective reality. We're all just here bumping up against each other, doing our random things. That's a nightmare, right?

It's got to be some order and some organization somewhere, right? Yeah.

But when you think about it, then the people who are in government are supposed to be the people who are very good at coming up with common laws. They're very good people who are being balanced, who are being fair, who come up with how people interact and come together, but giving people their freedom. So when you're trying to suppress a culture with a religious homogenized belief, then there is this thing that is logic that gets handed down to us, that you have to do what makes sense to other people. And that's how you get your love and belonging from the tribe is by justifying that what you're doing is for the same reasons that everyone else will want to do the same things.

How can women, specifically, make better decisions in choosing the right male partner for them? If they want to choose a male partner, how can women choose better in relationships?

This is going to sound It's a little crazy, but one of the other big conditionings that we have is that we have to make the right decision that we ensure is going to make our relationship last forever, and that's a good relationship. What you actually want from that is to feel the most amount of love. You want to be in love and in the energy of love every single day of your life. From that perspective, whether that changes 20 times or once, doesn't really matter. For me, that relationship was correct for as long as it lasted because it grew the amount of love I had in my life until my emotions started telling me otherwise. Am I better off because of that relationship? Am I more open-hearted because of that relationship? Am I'm more happy with who I am? Yes. That was not a terrible relationship. That was life showing me that was a perfect amount for it to last. A big thing to get rid is I have to know how my future is going to look in order for me to be happy. Actually, you just need to be happy today. Then your tomorrow will start off better, and that will compound.

Then it doesn't matter about the form that it takes because the inside is going to be more actualized, more evolved, more in love, more open-hearted, more all the things that we actually want. Yeah, absolutely. It comes from letting go of this guarantee to micromanage how the life is going to unfold for you to think of how it needs to look for you to be happy and to do the happiness today and then to trust that that's what activate the rest of the work, the 90% of the on-scene forces coming together to make things happen the way that we can't engineer, like opportunities, synchronicities, meeting people out of nowhere, stuff that we couldn't even do if we were the best minds in the planet, right?

There's something to choosing to being positive and happy and grateful for certain elements of your life and trying to maximize that is when we maximize that energy, synchronicities unfold, right? These unseen forces for good show up on our life, or they block us from something bad essentially happening, right? Or they move us in a different direction. But why do you think there are certain people who seem to have it all but are still choosing to be unshappy and not choosing to be grateful for what they have, they're complaining or feeling entitled for what they don't Why do you think that happens?

I think that's one of those things where there's many different causes for one symptom. On the outside, this person you're saying is ungrateful or unhappy. The number one reason I would say is that if you haven't liked who you've become along the way of getting to what you want, then that's never going to be a happy result. You can't get to joy if you don't pave it along the way with feeling like you love being who you You've probably been in situations like this in your life before where maybe things are hitting the fan, but you still love the fact that you have your own back through it. There's this incredible piece of like, Okay, well, we're on this adventure of life. The soul wants to experience everything. Let's lean into this knowing that I think I'm going to make sure that I'm okay. That weirdly transforms even the most negative experiences into these fascinations. I think if you don't know how to If you do that, then that's already a big... That really takes away from your happiness. The second thing is also that, again, the brain is addicted to finding something to focus on, and it could be being focused on creativity, but when it's turned Inwards, it's going to look for problems.

It's going to look for unhappiness. That's what's going to happen when you let it run amok in an area that it's not supposed to run amok in. The third one is, I think, is an addiction that we're being programmed with from the outside conditioning of you You should find reasons to be unhappy, or you grew up around people who were that way, and you need to decondition from that automatic pattern that, again, like you were saying in the beginning with your parents that condition you. Even if they weren't doing it on purpose, it's passed down until you have to be the one that says, You know what? Let me not just decide to be rid of it, but let me practice being rid of it today. How would I move through my day when I catch this thing come in and I go, What else would I do instead? You might feel like an imposter the first time you do it because it's not going to feel natural. But even if you can just flex it slightly, the universe goes, Oh, look who's trying to be more themselves. Let me go help this person out.

What was the thing you had to decondition over the last 10 years that was running your life the most?

I think the emotional piece is a really big piece, and this is, like I guess, 50% of the population are what's called emotional beings. You're what's called non-emotional, meaning when you're by yourself, you're cool, calm, and collective. It's only when the world comes to you, or when people come to you, or a situation comes to you that you feel a certain way. When you're emotional, you can wake up and be happy and feel on top of the world. Same exact situation the next day, and you feel totally different. For me, I was really brought up when I was in a low mood, What's wrong with you? Why are you upset? Smile. Don't be a sport brat. I'm English, so don't be a sport brat. For me, it was a real judgment about having negative emotions. I still struggle with it today. I'm not rid of it by any stretch of the imagination. I just am more aware of it, so I have levity around when I'm doing it to myself. Got you.

You're emotional, I'm non-emotional.

I'm non-emotional.

Explain that again, someone who's emotional versus non-emotional.

You don't generate your own emotions. You are like a mirror and a sponge to the world around you. Actually, when we talk about people who are empaths, we really are talking about in a strict version, we're talking about non-emotionals because you're able to feel what I'm feeling. Because I have my own emotional roller coaster going on, I'm actually not able to viscerally tap into your emotions.

As an emotional person. As an emotional person. Not emotional person. I can understand your emotion.

You can feel my emotions.

That resonates. I feel like I can feel everyone's energy. Something that I saw on your Instagram when you were talking about empaths, you said, We shouldn't be absorbing, we should be observing. Yes. That's something you said recently. Don't absorb other's emotions. Observe. I love, yes. I think that's interesting because empaths take on the weight of anyone around them, and they feel it, and they feel emotionally drained where they have no energy if they absorb it. It's learning to notice someone's energy and still be empathetic But don't absorb it. Observe, connect, but don't let it penetrate your energy center. Don't let it penetrate your soul to where you're now in that state of being as well. That's a hard thing for a lot of people who are in that non-emotional, empath state of being.

Yeah, it is. It's an interesting one to understand that when you're not absorbing my stuff, you would be able to show me what I'm feeling because I'm so mild in it, I have no idea what's going on some of the time. You would magnify and be able to show me what's going on with me if you're not then taking it on. Let's say, for example, I'm an emotional. I wake up and let's say I'm happy today. I'm 2 out of 10 happy, 10 out of 10 happy? Let's say, for example, I'm 2 out of 10.

2 out of 10, you're not happy.

It goes on a scale, right? Let's say one day I'm on a 2 out of 10. I walk in the room and I see you 6 out of 10 happy. I'm like, You look happy today. You've become happy because you felt what I've done and you've magnified it. That's beautiful. But I can see it more clearly through you than I can through me. Got it. But that also works on the other side, too, where a lot of non-emotionals get called the most emotional people. Because if I walk in the room 2 out of 10 sad- One is That's not sad? One is less. Let's say 2 out of 10. Okay, 10 is the highest. Got you. Let's say I'm two out of 10 sad that day. I walk in the room, you all of a sudden get in a bad mood, and I'm like, What's wrong with you? Why are you in a bad mood? You don't know because it wasn't there before I walked in. You're just able to reflect to me what I'm not even aware of. Interesting. If we have that languaging, then I can be like, Thank you so much for showing me what was going on with me today.

Instead of going, What's wrong with you? Because you guys are the open. You're the open emotional. You feel whatever else is going on in the world. Interesting. We're just playing our own songs, completely unaware.

I wonder what my fiancée is. I can't remember if she's a manifester. I think she's a nonspecific manifester. I don't know if that's a thing, but maybe it's Manifester Generator. But she's positive 90% of the time. She is in a positive, joyful, grateful state consistently. It's very rare for her to be low, low energy, which really is nice for me because I think I've always in the past been in relationships where I didn't know what I was going to get. It was harder for me because I would absorb energy and I would feel it, and I would allow it to drain me. Now, I've learned how to observe differently and just accept people for where they're at and be there for them in a different way as opposed to taking on their pain and sorrow and trying to fix it. That was a wound that I had to learn how to feel. But being in a relationship with someone who is truly grateful for life, that truly loves her life, is a joy. It is like a gift that I hope everyone can experience at some point, because It's challenging to be with someone that isn't a happy person consistently.

It just is. It's hard to be with someone for years who you don't know how to help them become happier. That's something that I experienced because I chose based on a wound and nothing wrong with them, but just felt like it was always harder because they weren't happy. I hope everyone can get to that state. You just unlock more when you are a generally happier person. But I feel like a lot of people struggle with happiness. A lot of people suffer and struggle with feeling worthy of happiness, of learning how to believe they're a good person, of believing they're enough. Why do you think we struggle so much with being happy and how can we learn to love ourselves deeper so that we are happier?

I love that question. I think there's two different kinds of levels of happiness. For example, I could be in a low mood today, but still be so fulfilled and almost loving watching that process of waking up just being more like meh today. But that meh state can mean still fine, you You know what I mean? So there's two. There's almost like one that's at the bottom of the ocean. That's like your core fulfillment, joy to be alive, grateful. Like, oh, my God, this is like, this is an adventure. You know what I mean? Let me just observe what's going on today. And it's all interesting and all beautiful and so amazing. That level of happiness, I think, really comes from being who you're supposed to be and being happy with who you are and almost feeling like you're doing what brings you the self-esteem, the fulfillment, the giving and receiving the way that you're supposed to. I think when you give to the world in a way that you feel like there is an abundance more coming from it, it changes your whole worldview because you're like, There's so much more where that came from.

I'm so happy to serve. I love giving to people. I love seeing how I get received when I give to people. It is like the genie wishing for one wish, and then you get tons more back. When you're tapped into like, I'm in my magic, so then I don't just know that I'm special from here, but I feel that I'm special every single day because I know that I have something I've cultivated and given that I really feel like is me. It's like my home frequency. I could come back to my base of what my value add is in this world. I think that's number one is like, there's so much deeper levels of happiness that are available to you if you can break away from constantly telling yourself you have to be like everybody else, constantly trying to get the love and belonging, the short term cookies, you can follow them and put the time in to take the risk to get it from the longer term value, giving people value rather other than what can I get out of life so quickly?

Those cookies are so good. These cookies are so good in a moment. Oh, man, I love those cookies. But there's so much greater benefit when you can delay, or at least not every day have to go for the cookies. I'm not saying never enjoy it, but as a metaphor, just not going for the pleasure every single day. Really going for a state of long-term happiness and fulfillment.

It comes down to making yourself proud of who you are, I think. Absolutely. That feeling is not replaceable by any other thing, I don't think. That's true. I think when you're like, I really am happy, almost like your inner parent being like, You know what? That was a hard decision, but really, I'm impressed with you. I think that is the ultimate, if you When you want to be happy, you make yourself proud of you.

100%. When was the time in the last decade you were the least proud of you? And at your lowest energy state?

I think the ending of that relationship was very difficult for me because another That was the thing that I was really conditioned with. My mom is Indian, and my parents have been married forever. One of the things I really was conditioned with is that if a relationship goes well, you've done well. It's your job as a woman to make a good relationship. And so you fail, you're the failure, if you don't make it work. Wow. That was a big one for me. So that was a really hard time of being like, Am I defected as a woman? Am I not desirable enough? Did I not do enough? Was I not more malleable? Should I have been more flexible or rolled down more? Whatever, all those different stories that you can create. I think that was a really big one for me. But I don't think I would have undone that conditioning if I hadn't gone through that experience. Wow.

You felt like you were a failure with the relationship ending?

Yeah. I felt like it was on me. I think a lot of women go through that, too. Really? I think they feel responsible for making a relationship go well.

There's something to be said for people who are in relationships for decades that are like, Listen, we had some hard seasons, some hard years, and we could have easily just said, You know what? This isn't working or some bad stuff happened, and we should have left. But we decided to stay together, and we're so grateful 10, 20, 30 years later that we did because every relationship has some seasons. Yeah. But then there's also, I see that point of view, but then I'm also like, okay, if your body is rejecting something and it's telling you this is not working, and I'm giving it in my awe, and I'm trying, and we're going to therapy, and you're really trying to commit to make it work, but you're rejecting it, and it's just a disconnect. I also see the benefit and the value and consciously uncoupling and saying, Listen, we got to go. This isn't working. Let's take some time, and maybe we come back together in the future. I don't think there's a right or wrong either way. A hundred %. I don't think it's like you're a failure if you didn't go through all the hard times and go for 30, 40 years and make it out beautiful, holding hands as like, 90-year-olds on the other side.

Because you could also be together for a long time and be miserable. A hundred %. There's a lot of probably Indian families that just stay together even though they don't fully love and have a fullness of life. Yes. I'm sure you see both.

Completely. That's the thing. I love that you've touched on this because that's the thing about human design is that we're always trying to look for always tough it out or leave the second you're ready. But actually everyone's on a different path. So that advice isn't going to work for everybody. And you're, I guess, well predisposed to seeing this because you're very open in your chart I had a look at. You're very open in your mind. So it's always about not having your fixed opinions on things. It's always about saying, Yeah, I could see that. Maybe. Sure. I don't know. Could be wrong. Could be right. Let's see. And that's one of your gifts. And I think that's one of the things is that we're always trying to find the right way to do life and then wronging everybody else who's not fitting into that directive. Instead of saying, We are all on radically different journeys. Journeys no one else can ever even come close to understanding. So us, again, using our mental energy on trying to find some system that makes us all be on the same thing or same level of understanding or same goal.

It's just a moot exercise.

I think that the challenge or the opportunity we all get to face is, are we going to live our life trying to please everyone else based on our decisions or a lack of decisions or feeling guilty and bad and wrong for decisions we make that others don't approve of? Because it's really hard to make decisions if we're thinking, why don't I want people to be upset at me? I did that for a long time. I stayed in relationships too long that I shouldn't have. I got out of stuff that I probably shouldn't have because I was worried about the opinions of others. You felt like you were in a low part at the end of that relationship because you felt like a failure.

I felt like I wasn't being my best self. Really? Yeah, I felt like it wasn't bringing out the best in me, and therefore I shamed myself for that because it's not good to feel like you're not happy with how you're being, right? Yeah. Also, I really had to contend with, if I end this, then am I stupid? Am I making a really bad decision? Because, again, like you were saying, he's great on people. We're good enough together. My whole family loves him. He's successful. He's this, he's that.

He's nice He's listening to me. He's listening to whatever it is.

Yeah, all that stuff.

What was in telling you, This isn't in alignment, or, This isn't the right thing for me right now? What was telling you? Was it your intuition? Was it your gut? Was it just you didn't feel like you were in your purpose or your joy, how are you able to know that, Okay, I've given this enough time, and the season is ready to move on to the next thing?

Yeah. I can come up with a lot of logical reasons for you, but I think ultimately Currently, if I watched myself in net net, my emotional state was more negative than positive. In the relationship. Towards the end. Then that tells you, again, it's like the body knows. It's so tangible. We just need to watch ourselves as if from above and say, does this person look like a thriving? Does it look like it's suited you or not? You don't need to be able to explain it away. I guess on a more logical level, I went in with certain roles that I played that were, again, if we're always trying to be who we came here to be, they weren't ultimately part of who I was.

They weren't serving you or your future you, your highest you. So you went in playing certain roles in a relationship, and then you realized this isn't sustainable. This isn't me. So it was like your responsibility for being those roles because you were almost inauthentic in a sense.

And those are my cookies. Look how good of a girlfriend I am. Look how supportive I am. You know what The cookies are sometimes a little hidden like that. It's like, Look how much I'm helping this person be successful. That's so much more easy than trying to be successful on my own.

I don't know anything about the relationship, but if I was in that, I'd be like, Wow, okay, this is where this person is. They're showing up in this way, and now they're trying to be something different. It might be confusing for the guy.

Very. Oh, no, very. It's beyond.

Right. He's probably like, Wait a minute. You were super supportive, and now something is shifting, and now you're trying to be this other thing. That's Now, who are you?

Oh, I played such a good trophy, wife, and I was good at it. Like you said, with the previous sport, I was good at it. You can't blame. I think ultimate self-responsibility gives you ultimate power of your own life. You It's really everything is for your own movie. It's always I, I, I, I, I. I played the good role. I played the thing, and therefore, I got out of it what I put in. It doesn't matter about who the character is that I was playing with. I would have played that character on whoever it was.

Who any one. Until you learned lesson. Maybe it's like, Okay, I can be this sometimes, but this is not the role I'm supposed to be playing in my life right now. Is that what it sounds like? This is interesting. But here's the other interesting thing. You'd been studying human design for, I guess, three to five years by that point already. What were you not listening to with your own study and practice of human design? What was your human design telling you to do that you were directly going against?

This is really interesting. I think the emotional piece, again, actually, with us, because I was so suppressing my joy and my sadness.

You were suppressing it? Suppressing. Why were you suppressing joy?

Because I think England is a little different than America. You can't be too... There were certain situations where I felt like, and therefore was told, but that's because I felt like it, right? That's why it actualized in the outside world. You can't just drink tea at midnight and just be dancing on the table by yourself. Have some alcohol, fit in, sit down and be cool and have conversations. I felt this want to be unboundedly joyful for no reason that I suppressed. I also suppressed tears.

Because friends or society in England was like, Oh, don't be too happy.

You're wacky.

That's crazy.

Yeah, relax a little bit. Yeah, you can't expect to be can't expect.

When you were emotional or crying, they were like, What are you crying for? No, they couldn't take it either way, these streams.

Yes.

It's keeping it in the middle of this, not surfacey, but not fully authentic way of being. Exactly. That's what I'm hearing you say. A hundred %. At least the people you're with or the places you're around. Yes. So you were surprising both Emotions.

Yes. All to enjoy. To be more palatable. To be more accepted or fit in.

Interesting. To try to belong. Yes. But you weren't being fully authentic or vulnerable. No. So you weren't actually belonging at all because you weren't belonging yourself.

If you take it in this frame, like you're asking me, the emotion is your motor center as an emotional being. When you're an emotional being, emotions is your power center. It comes from your solar plexus, right?

You took it away.

So when you take that away, firstly, you have less energy. Second of all, you can't make decisions, the correct decisions in your life. And you're suppressing all of your life force from directing your life forward. If you imagine, okay, there was already certain things that were supposed to be in place to move my life forward for me from the universe, just like there is for all of us, you're literally holding them back instead of just letting them, unleashing them, letting your destiny move through you because you're just holding yourself back because you're saying, This is not a good way to be. I don't want to be this way. I don't want to be an emotional being. You're constricting all of that life was inside of you instead of letting it out. Then you stay small.

You don't use your voice.

That's all.

You didn't feel like you used your voice at all?

Not until the end. Then I think I'd suppressed it so much that it came out completely, how do you put this, disproportionate. When you keep so many things inside-Extreme. Yeah, you say something. Well, not even extreme, but you say, I'm not happy, and someone's like, What do you mean you're not happy? It's come out of nowhere.

You seem happy over the years.

Yeah. That's unfair to do on a person. Instead of communicate along the way of, I feel sad today, and I don't know why, and it's nothing to do with you, but I just need my space to be sad. That's what emotions need to be doing. There's no rhyme or reason sometimes when you feel really teary or you feel like it sucks. I have different emotional way to other people, different sizes, different behaviors, different patterns of emotions. Mine is sad and happy, sad and happy. I feel teary, and then I want to dance down the street.

Within a moment.

It's a day-to-day, I'd say.

Okay, got you.

Then other people, when they are really low, and these are people who often get diagnosed as being manic or bipolar or whatever. There's just some people who have so much creative emotional power in them. I think about people who've moved the world through a song about a breakup, right? When they're in that songwriting process, they need to remove themselves and be away from people and mire in that sadness so fully because it creates something inside them. But instead, if they're like, no, put on a brave face and go out there and be with people and When you hide that, it's basically muffling all of that creative power inside them. Low and high emotions is what makes a human experience worth living. If everything was just neutral, there'd be no point in being here. So the emotionals color life. But we also need to be mindful of how much we allow other people like you to understand it's not about you if I'm sad today. And if I come to you and I say, I'm really sad today, can I cry? And then you hold my hand, that makes us bond more. And you know it's about you.

And so it creates deeper intimacy when people are okay with their emotions and sharing them.

Anything of significance that a person has achieved over their life, they didn't know how to do it when they started.

That's true.

A quantum leap is one of those things that's dead solid perfect within the realm of possibility for you. You just haven't done it yet. But it's a real stretch goal. The thing about it is if you set your goal right, it forces forces you out of your current modus operandi.

If you set your goal correctly, how do you know how to set your goal the right way in order to create a quantum leap in your life?

There are several things about goal setting that I think are real key points. If you're shooting to make this an exponential leap in performance, so then first it needs to be a serious stretch You need to scare the horses.

It needs to scare you. Yeah. You need to be like, Oh.

But secondly, it needs to be a love story around that goal, I think. Because when you go for a big goal, any goal of much significance, you're going to have some setbacks, you're going to have some obstacles that come along, you're going to get banged up and bruised up, maybe. You need to care enough. The heart is what sustains you through that. People talk about a passion for this goal, and I think, well, that's a fine word, and it fits, but some people say, well, I just don't have that passion. Well, you just need to care for it or at least be committed enough to it that you say, I'm going to stay the course. I I will put myself out there. I think that it needs to be your goal, not somebody else's goal for you. Not a should or ought to goal. I think a fundamental mistake that a lot of people make is they don't believe in themselves enough and they don't reach high enough. Who is it? Astro Teller, who is the head of Google X, their innovative arm that said 10% can be as hard as 10X. A 10% improvement, not necessarily any improver.

Small acquisitions were every bit as difficult to make work as the big ones. Which is a counterintuitive thought. I mean, normally people don't go out with their mind drifting down that path. But with U-squared, the handbook is It's based on counterintuitive ideas, things that stop you and make yourself uncomfortable. That's one of the points. Well, why would I want to do that? You're an athlete. If you're not willing to make yourself uncomfortable, you got to get off the field. Absolutely.

It's almost like 10X is just as easy or just as challenging as 2X. It's about how you frame it and about going after it the right way. It's what it sounds like. They're both going to be challenging. See, Miles will go for the bigger leap than the one that's just a little bit more uncomfortable. If people are looking to make more money, make a bigger impact, and work with more influential people in their life or people that are more disciplined and up to a bigger game, which is what it sounds like you wanted to do early in your career. You wanted to make more money, you wanted to make a bigger impact, a bigger difference, and you wanted to work with the leaders. What was it inside of you that said, Okay, I'm going to make this quantum leap? Was it a moment? Did you feel like you put in all the work that you needed to? Was it an awakening? Was there a breakdown you were facing in your life where you said, Okay, I'm not happy with incremental growth year after year in my personal or professional life? What was that deciding moment that said, I'm going to try something unconventional and completely change the course of my life?

Boredom.

Boredom.

Boredom and just- Lack of purpose. And hungry. I was hungry for scaling up. I mean, really a major scaling up. I thought that we weren't making any mistakes.

You weren't failing enough.

We weren't. I mean, we were on autopilot. I mean, the place, it went in too smoothly, and it began to just bore me, and I got disgusted.

Why did people get so comfortable?

Why did they get so comfortable?

Yeah. When they used to have quantum leaps from crawling to walking to running, and then it's just sitting.

People are so different. I mean, they're so alike, too, but they're so different. Some people just have a much higher need for achievement. Some people have a much higher energy level, and on and on and on.

The human needs might be different.

They're just different.

Some people want growth, some people want achievement, some people want contribution.

Some people want a job that they want to nurture other people. I got a PhD in psychology. I did a year-long clinical internship. I worked on a psychiatric ward. That is not, and I knew from the word go, that that was not where I would end up. But you got people, they're drawn to that, and that's the wonderful thing about the world, the difference. But the The truth is, I don't care what direction a person is drawn. They can make quantum leaps in that zone, whatever their strike zone is. But I don't really spend a lot of time, I guess, trying to talk people into making a quantum leap unless they have something inside.

Just-they got to want it.knowing at them. They got to be hungry. They got to be anxious about something changing. They got to want to change.

They do.

Because some people know they want something more, but they don't know exactly what it is. Yeah. And so they're in the uncertainty of, Well, I'm not sure which direction I should go in. And here's another problem I see is people have too many passions. I've got this idea, and this idea, and this idea, which one do I choose? And when someone has 10 different passions or different roads that they could go down, how do they know which one they should go down?

That want to factor, that's the X factor. And people talk about willpower. Well, I want to talk about want power. What does that mean? It's want power. How much do you want this thing? Again, how much are you in love with this idea. I do think that there are times when we're directionless or a person certainly can be. For that poor soul, although they might be happy, content, doing fine, really, but they like something to change and be bigger and better and more dramatic or whatever. Sometimes I think we can maybe find that magical era just by playing with a curiosity or saying yes to a random opportunity that just comes smack in front of us, or maybe deciding, Well, I'm going to muscle up one of my superpowers. I'm just going to really get into that because I have fun with that and I'm good at it. Those are things I think that can play with when they're not just totally- They're not sure the direction.

Yeah. It sounds like once we can figure out which direction we want to go in to make a quantum leap. It's hard to make a decision on which direction to go from some people, where other people just know. This is the thing I love, I'm excited about this, I have some skills or talent around this idea or this thing, and I'm going to go all in on it. But once you can figure out the path you're going and the direction you're going to take, how do you know it's time to take a quantum leap in that path? Versus, all right, I got to figure out my bearings and figure out where I'm heading in this direction and just create some goals and get it going. But how do I know when my time is ready for a unconventional growth spurt, for a leap so big and grand that other people think I'm crazy and laugh at me when I talk about it?

I don't think you will necessarily know. I think you make a decision. One of the chapters in the U-squared Handbook is make your move before you're ready. I'll tell you where big dreams go to die.

Tell me.

They go to the planning place, getting ready place, preparing myself. It's the biggest con job we work on ourselves. There are so many bones of big dreams in that grave yard. We're People... It's always something that there's always going to be a set of reasons to wait. It's like Gildo Radner That line of hers on Saturday Night Live. It's always something. Well, it is. When are you going to take the risk? You pick 10 people at random, and I bet $100 that we can find quantum leaps in every one of them. Really? Oh, yeah. If you stop and think about it, everybody's made quantum leaps before they reach school age. Because you come into this world naked. You can't speak, you can't feed yourself. You can't get around. And by the age of three, you're doing all three of those things. It's true.

It's pretty incredible.

Now, go and look at what that child did. They were willing to fail. Over and over and over again. Over and over and over again. They had no methodology. They just knew what they wanted, and they were willing to make mistakes to show them the way there. It's the same thing when they learned to ride a bicycle, when they learned to swim, when they learned to run as opposed to walk. And so those are all... That's not an incremental thing. You can't crawl fast enough to become a walker. You got to change the game. It's a totally different Wading is W-A-D-I-N-G. The water is... You can't wade fast enough to swim. And so it's that process of being willing to take new risks, change your modus operandi, fail your way to success.

You talk about seeking failure in one of the chapters of U-squared, and in another chapter about suspend disbelief. I loved a few quotes in this because I believe self-doubt is the biggest killer of dreams. It's what holds us back from taking the steps necessary to fail often, frequently, in order to make those big leaps. And in your chapter on suspend disbelief, you started with saying, Act as if your success is for certain. Most people will have so much doubt. Is this possible? What happens if I fail? What happens if I do succeed? The What about all the judgment I'm going to get from the actions and the failures? You say, If you must doubt something, doubt your limits. I love that line. One other line that really stood out to me is, Your doubts are not the product of accurate thinking, but habitual thinking. When I read that, I was like, Wow, this is so true. It's not a product of accurate thinking, it's of habitual thinking. We've been thinking limited consistently. And this habit That of thinking limited keeps us in a limited state of being, state of mind, as opposed to accurate thinking, what is possible.

We don't step into that enough. And this whole chapter really opened up for me because my thesis in life is, self-doubt is the killer of dreams. When we can learn to believe in self, which is something you talked about here as well, needing to believe in yourself, it needs to be your goal, and you need to have a love story around this pursuit. But if we can't learn to believe in self, it's going to be hard. You can love the idea of your goal, you can have clear goals, but if you doubt you, your dreams are going to die. I think that's a challenging thing for people to say, Well, how do I learn to believe in self? How do I learn to have accurate thinking, not habitual thinking? How do I learn to doubt my limits as opposed to doubting myself? How do I learn to act as if my success is for certain when I've always doubted me? What do you say to that statement?

It's a killer question. Well, you get to choose how you behave. To heck with your thinking. Let's say your thinking is what it is, and it's riddled with doubt. You're ravaged with doubt. You still get to choose how you behave. You can act like you got what it takes. You can't. You can act. You can do it. It's not easy, and you can feel like I'm faking this. Oh, am I ever faking this?

The best actors in Hollywood make a lot of money. Exactly. They're playing a role. They aren't that role. That's right. That's not who they are in their normal life, but they're playing a role, and the The better you can act, the more money you can make in Hollywood.

Well, if we said George Burns or someone that said something about, I won't get this precise, but it's something like, Authenticity is the key. If you can fake that, you got it made. Right. But so that's one thing. Just go against everything that's going on inside you because most people are not going to know. But there's another thing, manage your memory.

What does that mean? Your memory of painful moments?

Yeah, what you go back and what you dwell on. When you go back over the years, I can go back just like that. I can think something and I can pull up again and again. All these times that I've been embarrassed, I've been humiliated, I've failed, dropped the ball, I can dwell on that if I want to. But I can also go back in the times that I pulled it off, the times I did it right, I surprised myself how good it felt when I was good to somebody else, on and on and on. So you get to dwell on whatever you want to dwell on. And we're too indiscriminate. It's like these two voices we got in our head. We got a hero voice, we got a villain voice. And who are you going to give air time to? People talk about having a coach. Well, the coach that is closest to you is the voice is inside your head. You're coaching yourself all the time, and you get to decide which voice you want to hand the mic to. The villain voice is very compelling, and he's a con artist because so much of the time he's like, I'm here to protect you, buddy.

I'm on your side. I'm going to keep you from screwing up. I don't want you to fail. I don't want you to embarrass yourself. Just listen to me. He focuses on mistakes, on your weaker points, and all the why nots. Your Hebrew voice focuses on your strengths, your accomplishments, and so on and so on.

What is your thoughts on manifesting? And manifesting is something you want and alchemizing into the world. Do you believe in manifesting? Do you believe in an artist should be thinking in that way? Or what's your thoughts on it?

I believe in it a million %. It's something that I've experienced before I knew what it was. Can you share? So when I say it's like... I feel like it has to do with the purity of the intention behind what you're doing. If your intention is pure and you're doing it for the right reasons, it seems like things tend to work out. And that ends up being a manifestation mindset. But it didn't start for me that way. It just was like, I really believe in what I'm doing. I really care about it. I want it to be the best it could be for me, and I'm excited to share it. The results have shown me that you can manifest things. It happens. But I'll say when I do it, it's never based on the outcome.

What do you mean?

I'm never asking for a result. What are you asking for? I'm asking to rise to the occasion to make the best thing that I can, for the thing that I make to be great. Great is a vague word. I don't know what great means. I came to realize recently what great means, but I didn't know. Most of my life, I was aiming for great, but I didn't know what that was. I've come to realize that great means it's a devotional, it's a devotional greatness. It's a gift to the universe. It's a gift to God.

Wow.

If you're making a gift to God, there's no greater... You can't put more into it than that. You can't... What about the What about what someone's going to say? Who has anything to say if we're making a gift for God? You're putting all of your purest intention into this thing for the universe. That's where it's at. I didn't know that. I came to realize that recently. Again, my word was greatness. That was the word of what I was shooting for. But I've come to realize what it is.

You have a whole section about greatness and success in the creative act, a way of being, which I love your explanation there. That is fascinating. So greatness for you, what I'm hearing you say, is a pure gift of yours to God.

Yes. And It's a gift of yourself to God. It's like, this is the best I can do. This is my offering. This is what I have to offer.

If you think of a formula for manifesting as an artist, what would that formula be?

I don't think there's a formula.

Is there an art to manifesting?

I don't know. I think it sounds like a shortcut, and I don't think there are shortcuts. I think it's always a version of doing the work, of finding your way into what it is that the universe wants you to do, and then really dedicating yourself.

How do you know what the universe wants you to do and when to do it? The right timing? Because you could be like, I have this idea for this thing. Maybe it's the right time now, maybe it's 5, 10 years away from now. How do we really tap into that knowing?

I think it's situational. And I think, again, if you're tapped into the universe, it tells you, it directs you. An example, I may have three ideas that I'm excited about, and I get them all going. And then one of them just seems to take off on its own. And one of them, no matter how hard I work on it, it never seems to come together. I can't find the right collaborators, some obstacles in the way. When that happens, I feel like it's the universe saying, now is not the time.

Interesting. Because I I love this. And I also hear the other side of the coin where, I don't know if you know Ryan Halley. Yeah, I do. The obstacle is the way is his stoic philosophy of when the obstacle is there and presents itself, and you also feel like this is something you want to do. You got to go through that pain and then to overcome it.

That is part of it. I'm not saying to turn away from the obstacle, but I'm saying when the obstacles become insurmountable consistently and there's another path that's going smoothly, and you feel the same about both of them.

Go for the effortless way.

Well, pay attention. See when is the universe giving you a push? When is the wind hitting your sails the right way? There's something to it. I would never suggest not fighting through the work. It's grueling no matter what. It's It's grueling no matter what. That said, sometimes it feels like now is not the time. It's like everything you throw at it gets deflected.

But this other thing is guiding you.

Taking on its own life. Earlier, you asked about what I perceive to be a shortcut. A shortcut is, how little can I get away with doing? And I think that the real question is, how much more can I give to the thing I'm making? What else can I give to it? And think Thinking in terms of how much more can we do, not how much less can we do. It's not about shortcuts. It's not about getting it done. It's not about a four-hour work week. I loved it. I loved it, but that's not It's like whatever it takes for it to be all it could be, commitment, and total commitment, and dedicating your life to making the best things you can, whatever it is.

Yeah, that's beautiful, man. So you think that as an artist, we should be thinking about manifesting, but not in the terms of doing less, but putting the maximum into making it great.

Doing anything that's within our power, it doesn't have to make sense. Nothing has to make sense. It could be, When I wear these purple socks, I can write a better song. Great. It doesn't matter. Don't question it. Just do whatever works, do it.

Is it really art if you're making money off of it?

Absolutely. It doesn't matter. It's not about the outcome. That's what I'm saying. If you don't make money or if you do make money, that has nothing to do with the art. Art is the art, and then whatever happens after, happens after. If you make something that you love, I know if I make something I love, if more people like it, that's only a good thing. Now, I wouldn't change a word of it for someone else to like Do you know what I'm saying? It's like, I make the thing I love and then present it to the world. And then if the world likes it, great. And if more people like it than less, better. Why not? We're sharing something we love, something we think is beautiful. So the more people who embrace it. But again, I would never change it for anyone else because that's not what it's about. It's not about that.

With the artist you've worked with that you knew before or they were global successes or their art, their music, was known by many, what did you see became their biggest challenge once they became extremely successful? Because a lot of artists, I would think, want their art to be liked and listened to by people. They want to make a living, and more people like it. Typically, that's a good thing, typically. But sometimes we see artists who have this incredible incredible rise of success and then seem to struggle with whatever, depression, anxiety, maybe the pressure. Can I do this again? Will I be able to have these many hits again? What is the biggest challenge you see with artists becoming successful?

Probably the biggest one is, nobody prepares you for success, and you may have a dream of what it's like, and you may think the success is going to fill some hole you have in your soul. You work your whole life for this success that's going to fill the hole. Finally, you get the success and the hole is the same. It creates hopelessness. Because you always you're working towards this goal that's going to fix the problem. But you The goal doesn't fix the problem. I would say, I can't say never, but I would say almost never fixes the problem.

What fixes the problem for people?

It's something else. It's something inside themselves. It's something inside themselves.

So do you think success can almost hurt someone more than before they have it, after they It just depends on the person's temperament.

For some people, being famous is the greatest thing, it's all they ever wanted. And for some people, they become famous, and it's the worst nightmare. That's not what they wanted. They miss their privacy. They miss their anonymity. They miss being able to go and do whatever they want and not be singled out or pointed to or talked to. Even if people are nice, It's different. No one teaches you how to do that, or you want to go do something with your family, and then there are photographers there, and it's very awkward.

What advice do you have for people that want to be famous. Success is one thing, but fame is another thing, and they don't always happen together. For someone that wants to be famous, what advice would you have for them?

I don't know. I would say I would look at why that is. I would maybe See, consider therapy.

Have you ever done therapy yourself?

Yeah, I've done all kinds of therapy.

What has been the biggest lesson you learned through therapy for you?

I learned how to express my feelings clearly. When the first time I went to therapy, I didn't even know how to talk. I didn't know how I felt about anything.

How old were you then?

Maybe 26.

So you learned how to express your feelings then?

Yes. And to not only, yes, express them, but also to actually feel them in myself, to understand, not just feel blocked off or frustrated or what's beneath it, what's actually going on.

And what is the biggest lesson that meditation or meditation practices has provided for you?

It provides a quiet space where the chatter, you realize that your thoughts are not you, and that, left to your own devices, there'll be a lot of voices in your head just going all the time, and they're not you, and they don't mean anything, and they're really repetitious, and they're not working in your best interest.

If your thoughts are on you, then what are you?

I suppose you are the unchanging part of yourself that's always there, probably from the time you're born till the time you die, and maybe before and after. It's what's really inside. It's not changeable. It's what you came with.

It's not the the thinking mind. It's almost being the observer of the thoughts.

The one who sees the thoughts. That sounds right. Yeah.

Observing the thoughts. That's good. Thank you. That's what I was hearing you say. When do you feel the most loved, Rick?

I would say in general, I feel loved. It's a good feeling. I feel spiritually connected, and that gives me a great feeling of peace.

Where do you think you'd be in your life if you weren't a meditator? And where do you think you'd be if you allowed yourself to play with drugs and alcohol?

I can't really predict. I would say, without meditation, I don't know who I would be. It's such a big part of who I am. Informed so many Everything. My understanding of the world is based on learning to meditate when I was young, so I don't know who I would be without that.

Do you think you would have as much internal harmony and peace and external success without meditation?

No, certainly not internal peace. I don't know about success.

I wanted to ask you a question about comparison. You mentioned the NBA basketball player needing to I post more on social media based on what their team or the coaches, or maybe not the coaches, but maybe the general managers wanted them to do. With artists, I see a lot of people competing and being in comparison versus just sharing their truths in an authentic way. Sometimes on social media, people are vulnerable because it gets attention, and then they're overvulnerable, and then that becomes a game in itself. But in a world where everything is oversaturated seeming and there is a lot of competition for attention, how can an artist stay true to their inner voice and not be in comparison, but be willing to collaborate and also see success in others and be okay with it?

Yeah, I think staying out of it, not participating in that game. It's someone else's game. That's someone else's game. I would suggest play your own game. I can remember having a conversation with one of the biggest artists in the world who described an album that they were going to make. I had just seen them play in a stadium full of people screaming and crying, and it was not Paul McCartney. The album that they were describing was one that none of those 70,000 people screaming and crying wanted to hear. It was clear to me. I remember saying, That's not your hand. When you're playing poker, it's not... You can't just play any cards. You play When you play your hand based on the cards you've been dealt. Depending on the artist you are, it'd be like there was a time, I think, when Metallica felt felt like, We don't really want to be a heavy metal band. We want to be a pop band because pop band is where it's popular, and we have reached a ceiling being a heavy metal band. That did not go well. That was a bad idea. They weren't playing their hand.

They weren't embracing Metallica. I think if you embrace your part, it's your best chance being true to yourself, not seeing, Oh, well, those people over there are getting popular doing this other thing. I don't really like it, but it's really working for them. Maybe I could try that. Recipe for disaster.

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