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Okay, so I deal with fear maybe more naturally and better than your average human. I would say. It's not a really thoughtful process for me. It's truly just facing my fears and not letting my fears over take me so much that I get paralyzed. I think maybe since when I lost my arm when I was 13 years old, I had such a deep passion for surfing that my decision to get back in the ocean was based off of getting back to my passion and my love for riding waves and not just facing my fears. I had a deeper reason. I just loved doing what I did. I wanted to see if it was possible with one arm. So I truly just faced my fears. And over time, I think facing them over and over and over again, I eventually became less fearful of sharks, so to say. And it's funny. I've heard that Sharks and motivational speaking are people's two greatest fears. And that's the two things that I do. I surf with sharks in the ocean or I've overcome my incident with the shark. And then I do motivational speaking, which I would say I didn't like that at first.

But eventually, I overcame that dislike or that fear or that uncomfortable. And I think so often in life, we naturally want to run from discomfort. We want to make things as easy and comfortable as possible. And so if you can learn to recognize that sometimes you can't do that, and sometimes you have to walk into uncomfortable uncomfortable. I find in relationships, for example, sometimes you have to have the uncomfortable conversations to make that relationship more beautiful. Yes. But a lot of us just want to avoid that instead. In the long run, that just makes the relationship less beautiful and less meaningful and less filled with depth. Then eventually, that relationship may dissipate.

Absolutely right. That's a more subtle process, of course. It's like getting diabetes doesn't happen all at once. It's like over time. Getting in the ocean to go surfing again is a very abrupt experience.

Yeah. I think for me, it wasn't like I was going out to the sharkiest location. As a surfer, there's certain spots that you're like, oh, I got the heebie jeebies here. Or when you surf at sunset hour or if the water is a little more murky, you're Oh, this feels a little more sketchy or more uncomfortable. I started off in the shallow, clear blue waters. My initial surf with one arm wasn't filled with a deep fear. Of course, I was thinking of them. I mean, it was so recent. I started surfing with one arm three and a half weeks after I lost my arm. Three and a half weeks? Yeah.

Well, that's wild.

I was on a mission. I basically went as soon as the doctor said I could. My healing was really fast because everything was really clean-cut, and I had a great surgeon. I just had one of those cases that was, I would say, a little easier than most, traumatic limb loss. And so here I am, less than four weeks later, getting back on my board.

What did your parents say?

I think my mom was scared that I wouldn't be able to do it. So she's trying to come up with a new options. You could be a photographer. We can go to the mountain and snowboard. But my dad, I think he saw it and he was like, Let's go. And he was there with me, trying to help me catch my first waves. I'm like, No, dad, I got this on my own. Lo and behold, I popped up on my third wave and rode it all the way to the beach and felt like one of the best waves in my life, just tears of joy. Just that sense of like, Wow, I can do this.

Yeah, I surfed as a child. I don't see how... Just the paddling part, I don't see how you could do that.

Yes, it's definitely... I've adopted in my own unique way, and thankfully, I have one really strong arm, so we make the most of what we got here. But yeah, my approach to catching waves is different. A lot of times people will take 10, 15 strokes, whereas me, I'm trying to position as close to the takeoff as possible so that I take one to three strokes to catch the wave. It's definitely different, but I make it work.

Wow. But your father didn't hesitate in bringing you back to the ocean?

No. I think my dad just... Both my parents were surfers, so they get it. They get that love for the ocean. They get that need to get back out there. You could be fearful of sharks. I think that's one of the number one questions I get. It's like, why would you go back into the ocean? But for me, it was my way of life. It was something I did every single day. Even though I was young, I wanted to be the best in the world, and I had the potential to be the best in the world at that age. Very highly competitive. I was winning just about every event that I entered. The summer before at 13 or 12, I finished second in the national titles in the 18 and Under division. I was heading on that trajectory, so to say, of she could be a world champ. On top of being competitive, though, competition aside, I could care less about a jersey at the end of the day. I just love being in the ocean. Now, fast forward, I'm a mom of four, and I'm passing on my love to my children.

Yeah. I I'm just so struck we just had breakfast to end, your total lack of bitterness or self-pity, which leads to optimism and joyfulness, of course. But how long did that take to reach?

I am so grateful. My mom was very encouraging to me in my childhood to know God and to have faith. And so I look at my 13-year-old self and really think childlike faith. That's what Bethany had at that time. And that helped me to overcome that season and to be grateful for life. I woke up thinking, I could have died, but I'm still here, and I'm so grateful to be alive. And even though my life felt upside down and my future felt uncertain, it was obviously a really hard, chaotic time. But I had this peace that I believe only God can bring, that even though I didn't know what my future I was going to hold, I trust that there's more for my life, and I'm grateful to be alive. And that gratitude really pushed me forward, I think. I didn't mope a lot. I didn't sit and focus on the negative of the situation and how awful it was. I would even say, too, I did media really early on, willingly, as a little 13-year-old, because I had a heart for other people, and I wanted to encourage other people. I started surfing four weeks later, and then people were like, Oh, my gosh, little girls learning how to surf with one arm right after she loses their arm to a shark.

So people were just awe-inspired. This is before social media, but my story truly went super viral. I remember. I would get letters from all different walks of life, like inmates to people all over the world, like little girls, like, If Bethany can surf with an arm, I can overcome my challenge. I had a heart for other people, and so I was willing willing to talk about my story and share what I went through and my desire to keep going and overcoming. But I think talking about it really helped me to overcome the traumatic side of it. Just facing that traumatic incident and talking about it. Now, I think I can think about that exact moment, and I don't feel overwhelmed with sadness or anger. It is what it is, a feeling. And I think talking about it really helped that in itself.

If I understood you correctly, you woke up the next day after losing your arm feeling grateful?

Yes. That's wild. Yeah. I was in the hospital, and I was just really grateful to be alive. And I think the doctors painted the picture of like, Hey, you lost over 60 % of your blood. You could have died. It's a blessing that you're still here. But more importantly, I trusted that God had more for my life in that.

He certainly did.

What did you think you were going to do?

Did you have any sense of what your life would look like?

I had no clue. I think that uncertainty felt really hard. I think a lot of people who face traumatic situations, they want to just get back to normal life. So maybe that was part of my desire to get back into surfing was like, Let's just get back to normal life. I want to be back in the ocean doing what I love, being with my friends. And so once I proved that I could do it, then there was no turning back. I started surfing all day, or not all day, but surfing every day again and just getting back to normal life. And it took time to adapt and adjust and figure out how to do things. And there was definitely days where I'd be completely frustrated and crying, and the waves were just sending me back to the beach and just so frustrating. I think anyone who spends time in the ocean can know that it's such a humbling place. Oh, yeah. No, No matter how strong or capable you are, it will humble you regardless.

Oh, and it can hurt you at any time. Yeah.

Doing it with one arm, I think that also gave me confidence to face the other challenges in my life I'm like, If I can surf with one arm, what else is possible with one arm and all the other areas of my life? It really set me on this trajectory to be willing to adopt and to just make the most of what I have and have caught. Lo and behold, little Bethany just adapting in every which way.

Did you ever think you would have four children?

I always really looked forward to being a mom. I think because my mom had so much fun with me, and it was apparent that she loved being a mom and that she loved adventuring with me and my brothers, that showed. I think that inspired me to want to be a mom. And so, yeah, fast forward, being a mom is such a joy in my life. I always thought I would have three, but here we are, we have four.

How did that happen?

It just happened. Yeah, it was crazy. We got married and, typical married couple. Let's wait five years before we have children. And then about a year and a half later, I got pregnant. I'm like, Okay, let's go. Even though I felt scared at that time, I think God's timing was perfect. And I loved just basically bringing our little guy into our life and taking him along for the ride. I was in a unique season in that I quit competing. And thankfully, I did because that's when I met my husband. And then we got married and he was like, Hey, what else do you want to do in surf? Because it's not like that's something you can do forever. So let's just do a little more surfing and you can check off all your goals and your dreams in surf. So we started traveling and filming my documentary Unstoppable. And then I get pregnant. I'm like, oh, my gosh. I felt like my world was flipped upside down. But I just ended up, we brought our little Tobias along for the ride with us, and I had some of my greatest success in surfing in that season after having my first child.

I've finished my documentary, and then- And you brought him with you? Yeah. My one-year-old had more passport stamps than your average human. I remember this flight. It was 13 hours across the world to the Maldives, and we did some shooting down there. Then I'm nursing him and about to paddle up for my heat in Fiji competing, and we just made it work.

Most young parents, I include myself in this, find it really hard to travel with little kids.

Oh, my gosh. Having babies on an airplane is not easy. But we just figured out how to make it work. And I think because we immersed into that early on, you get your little tricks on the road, and you just become more adoptable, I think. I think routine is so good for children, but we definitely had a lot of routine disrupt, and we just had to create our own routine on the road. And yeah, it was really a lot of fun. I look back on that season, and my season hasn't changed that much. We still travel quite a bit with all of our four littles.

Well, I've noticed that. They're all here, here on the other side of the world from where you live. You brought all of your children, and they're young. Your little one's one?

Yep. My little one's one. Then I got a three-year-old, six-year-old, and nine-year-old.

It's interesting that you do that. Did you decide that you were just going to stay a unit wherever you went?

Yes. I think we realized that we were just still traveling a lot, and And we actually were trying to create a business that would be sustainable within Hawaii, and we actually ran into some business trouble. So we had to reconfigure how we did everything, and it just ended up being that traveling for work. I do a lot of motivational speaking, which I absolutely love doing that. I love being able to be an encouragement and inspire people. But obviously, traveling with a family of six is not ideal. But I The last thing I want to do is leave them home. I would have inner angst, and I just wouldn't... I know that it wouldn't work for me. I would lose my mind. I know that my greatest God given role is to be a mother. If I'm neglecting that role, I won't be able to live at peace. Just bringing them along is the way we're doing it right now. It's working, and they're just blossoming as humans. It's really It's fun to see them growing in their own ways. Yeah, just being along for the ride.

I mean, they must get closer to each other.

Oh, yeah. Last night, yesterday was rough. We were all super jet lag. We had done a red eye. At one point, I'm like, Go outside. Don't come back in until you're ready to be at peace. There's rough moments, but for the most part, they get along really well.

I love that. You travel with your husband everywhere.

Yes. So we're just family unit. My husband and I teamwork everything. So he's behind the scenes making things happen. And then I'm showing up and doing a lot of what we do. And so, yeah, it's really a unique life. And I love doing it, though, with my husband. And it's just we're the ultimate team. And then the littles are our little Minions along for the ride.

It's just a completely different model of living from the one that most Americans certainly I grew up with, where the father or both parents head out in the morning to their own totally separate spheres of work. And then the kids go out to school, their separate spheres, and then possibly they all meet together for a meal at night, and then they go to bed.

Yeah, it's definitely different. I think what What made me more open to this life that we've chosen to live was I homeschooled from seventh grade on. You grew up being homeschooled? Yeah, I grew up being homeschooled myself. So my mom kept me home from seventh grade on. I did elementary school, and then I stayed home after that. And it was primarily... There was a few different reasons. Our local public school was super bad. We couldn't afford private, and I was also really highly competitive. I was already starting to travel for surf, and so my parents decided to keep me home and save that drive time, too. Our school was really far away. It was like 45-minute drive hour, hour, one way. So two hours just driving to school. And so we just decided to stay home. And my parents just let me run with things. And then I started surfing with one arm and even competing with one arm. And that started less than a year later after losing my arm. And so two summers later, I win a national title, and then I started competing in the World Qualifying Series, so just the biggest league in surf to be a professional.

And so I started traveling international around '16, '17, '18. I'm traveling around the world already. So just being able to finish school while I'm traveling and have that flexibility was really just made it possible. Some of my peers did finish normal school, and then they started competing. So there's different ways about it. Either way, you can be highly competitive. You just have to work with what you got. But I feel like traveling and surfing taught me more than school did. And so it just made me a savvier human. It made me understand the world more. I saw a lot of different cultures, and I had to build my own independence really young. And it just, I blossomed a little younger, I would say, than most people.

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Yeah. I think most teenagers, we got along, but there was a little sandpaper, too. She did the best she could. In hindsight, I look back and I'm like, I had some teenage vibes going on. But for the most part- Those were inevitable. Yeah. I think for the most part, we had a really awesome relationship. And my parents would take turns traveling with me. So We lived in Hawaii. Price of living was really high, and they were just barely scraping by. But they still gave me so much to support me.

And you lived on an outer island?

Yeah, we lived on the outer island, too. So we're always in our island hopping. And then once we started traveling more internationally. It was just a lot on them. But thankfully, I was surfing so well, and I started supporting myself around age 16, financially. So I was traveling under my own dollar at that point. But my parents would come along for the ride with me sometimes, and I think sometimes they were pitching in. But, yeah, it just started young for me.

What a different childhood.

Yes, very different. I think, too, being a professional athlete, you learn diligence and ownership over your life. You have to push yourself. You have to be self-motivated. You have to really work hard at your sport, and nobody else is going to do it for you. And so I learned that really young, and that has served me in so many different ways throughout my life.

Are you going to homeschool your children?

Yeah. So we're in the early stage of homeschooling, and it's a beast.

Is it? I think it is.

But I also think we make it more of a beast than we need to be.

Can you just... I mean, think a lot of people, well, certainly my age, who's kids are grown, think, Well, I probably should have done that. Didn't even think about it. Should have done it. But now with the obvious evil going on in government schools and private schools, I think a lot of people would like to homeschool.

I mean, the- But how hard is it?

What is it?

What is it exactly? The rate of homeschool is grown by millions and millions of more Americans homeschooling. What's really cool is there is a lot of resources and tools and information to make it more possible. I think a lot of people get overwhelmed at the thought of homeschool because you think of traditional school, which is seven hours a day, but a lot of that time is wasted time that isn't actually learning or educating. Taking the model and changing it to be less than two hours a day, and chances are they're learning more than they would in a school day.

Plus, Is there- Wait, less than 2 hours a day?

Yes. Yeah. You don't need a whole lot of time to accomplish a lot of your educating in each day. And so- Then why are we sending kids to school all day? I mean, that's a big question, right? Yeah, it is. I think it's primarily the financial system. You bring it back to the financial system, and it is a lot harder to survive on one income. Now, fast forward in this day and age, my parents made it work in that my mom was working, and so there was a little path back and forth, or I would go stay with my friend if my mom was working a night shift. I just remember- What did she do? She just worked the restaurant industry. Both my parents were in the restaurant industry. So they were very simple life, not a high income, just barely getting by. But they did show that you can homeschool on a lower income. Yes. And still do a whole lot. I think seeing them worked hard was really inspiring for me because I just saw them dedicate a lot to me, but also work really hard. I think a lot of people are overwhelmed at the thought of homeschool because parenting in itself is pretty hard.

Yeah, it is. But I wonder why it's become so hard for us. For me, I've had to unpack a lot of my habits or things that I'm not necessarily proud of. I had a season where I was really short-tempered, and I had to work through some health things to get on to the other side of that and support myself to better mother my children. I look back on that season, and I hate that version of myself. I mean, I'm forgiving of her, but I'm like, why was I like- How bad was she? I was just really like, I think women tend to be more emotional and- And they're hard on themselves.

That's for sure. Yeah.

I look back on that season and I realized that it was more than just being a woman. I wasn't being supported nutritionally. My sleep was really bad. And there was a few other things going on where it was just high stress, and I was very easily angered. I had to really work on my nutrition and my lifestyle habits. I stopped watching TV at night. Sometimes I would want to just wind down, and I stopped doing that. I would just focus on getting to bed sooner, making sure I'm eating enough in the day, getting enough protein and carbs throughout the day, and just making some health shifts that really changed who I was. I'm way more patient now. I'm way more like I can hold the needs of my children and their emotions because children are more like, they're not as emotionally stable. I really think that we help them stabilize by how we are. A lot of people are just struggling to remain calm when their child is having a full-blown tantrum. It's like the parent is having a tantrum with the child. But we need to do the opposite. We need to hold steady while they're having their tantrum and help them work through that.

And so, yeah, mothering has taught me a lot and has challenged me in ways that no other role in life has challenged me. But I'm so grateful for that because it's sharpened me. It's made me really have to dig deeper and work through my issues and work through my challenges that were some of them were probably learned, too. My parents are amazing, but I still had some learned habits that weren't great that I needed to unlear and reform, and currently still working through some of them. But for the most part, I can look back on this season that wasn't so good. And I'm so grateful that I was willing to adopt and challenge myself and look for help and educate myself and dive into health and be an advocate for myself because at the end of the day, nobody else was going to do that for me. And fast forward even to the influence I have on my household and helping my husband to be healthy and helping him to take ownership in that area as the leader of our household. And now, just the alignment that we have as a family, as a married couple, continually working through the different little challenges along the way, we're a unit.

And as him and I, as the leaders, we're leading our children. And I think that we look through some of the challenges we've had along the way. Our children are watching this, and we're literally their role models, and we're shaping this next generation. There's a lot of weight that comes with that. I feel like society has let go of that in a sense of, We're going to school, and we're going to sports, and we're just trying to get by. That's exactly right. There's lack of intentionality in the household. And so I think I have a heart to not only work with teenagers, specifically in America, and help them to think through their future better. But now seeing the influence that the family has in society, it's so important. And so going back to the foundation of the family, husband and wife, and what does that relationship look like, and how can you work through your challenges together and overcome together so that you grow closer together as you go through life rather than growing apart? And yeah, just seeing the way society is now and the attack on the family and the attack on young people and their gender, so to say, and the way social media has a role in society.

There's a lot that's not good and that we have to think through and be intentional about.

You say there's You said there's a lack of intentional behavior, intentionality in the household. What do you mean?

I feel like what I would want to word it is maybe it's just a passiveness. We're just being passive about things and we're letting things happen versus choosing how we see things happen in the household. We're just being passive and letting our children grow up, letting them see and learn whatever they can learn out in society. Children are given iPads and iPhone super young, and they're instantly being told a lot of different compelling things that aren't necessarily filled with truth. And so I think as a role as a mom and my husband as a father, we're thinking through that because our children are still young, but our nine-year-old is going to be a teenager in a few years, and life's going to change. And so how can we be proactive and not just be passive in his life, but really mentor him and speak into his life and help him find his career path, so to say, and help him to become a brave and leading young man, even if his nature isn't necessarily a leader. Actually, our eldest is a natural leader. But I'm just saying We'll look at our other boys, and maybe they won't be natural-born leaders, but they're going to have to lead at some point.

Equipping them to lead and showing them the way more than just by example, but really coming alongside of them and helping them find their way until they truly are ready to spread their wings and then letting them know that the phone is always there and the arms are always open.

You said that you've got three boys and one daughter. Your oldest son is a natural leader. He's the oldest, not surprised. But that all your boys are going to have to be leaders. What did you mean? And how would you train them to be leaders?

Yeah. I just think of the God-given beauty of marriage and matrimony and that relationship. When done right, the man is meant to be the leader. Yes. And I feel or I think that in society, with the current culture, especially in America, a lot of that's been flipped upside down and disregarded. It's not serving society, in my opinion.

How is that working, flipping that upside down.

Like, just the woman is maybe she's not overtly leading the household, but maybe she's manipulating the household, or maybe she's living in the same household but doing her own thing, and it's just two separate lives together. But she's doing her own thing and not really necessarily following a lead. Or maybe it's simply that the husband isn't leading and he's being passive. Yes. And that is affecting the household in ways that maybe the husband and wife don't really realize. It's harmful, and it doesn't serve the household. It's hard to recognize it at first, but at some point, it will backfire. I think that's partially why there's so many broken marriages now. But there's so much we could impact there. There's so much to a society that is broken and lacking wholeness. Maybe the husband isn't being faithful, or maybe the wife is reacting in a way that's pushing him away. There's just so much to I'm not a marriage expert. I don't know.

I think you've identified the big ones, though. Yeah. Actually, it sounds like you are a marriage expert because you've just described the many varieties of dysfunction in a household. The passive husband is a much more common thing than it used to be.

Yeah. It's hard because a lot of what we know is what we've been taught or what we've learned from our own parents. You could hardly blame the husband for being that way. They maybe never had someone come alongside of them and truly show them the way in a healthy way or simply having conversations that are intentional around this area. Hey, these are things you're going to need to do as the leader of your household. Just simple conversations that are never held.

If you were to give that advice to one of your boys, what would you say?

From a mother's perspective, just knowing that, Hey, you need to provide for your wife mentally, emotionally, and physically. What that looks like is this, this, this, and this. If she's reacting in certain ways, it's likely that you're not providing in one of those key points. Being willing to problem-solve as a husband. To be honest, it's because I've felt this in my own marriage and having to work through that with my husband. Rather than letting Rather than letting the darkness tear us apart and pull us apart, our faith has grown us closer. We've had to work through some of our issues, and just seeing him grow as the leader of our household has been really beautiful, and I'm just so grateful, but I felt like the before and after.

Are you saying maybe make it more general?

Yeah, I definitely make it more general.

But you know what you're talking about. Do you think that a woman should encourage, explicitly encourage her husband to be a leader, a better leader?

I think, I mean, yes, for sure we should be encouraging. Our role is to be encouraging and cheer on and support and be supportive, but also to allow that to happen. Sometimes you have to let go of things, too. But I also like, there's a lot of conversation that comes with that and talking about it and working through it. It's hard because this is such a deep, deep issue.

But it's the core issue.

Yeah.

I honestly- If a husband and wife can't get along, then how does society continue, actually?

No, for sure. That's why I talked, when I started opened up this little can of worms, I was talking about it from the perspective of society. Why is there so much brokenness in society? We've lost our problem solving abilities. Instead of having those deep, meaningful conversations that are essential over time, not having those conversations, then they just break apart.

Okay, so let's be specific. You've got four kids. I have four kids, so I know what it's like to have nine through one. What it really is, is just chaotic. There's just a lot going on. A lot of people with immediate needs that must be met, a lot of filth that must be cleaned, et cetera, et cetera. A lot of noise. Hard to have conversations with your spouse under those circumstances we are living in. How do you have a conversation that's that heavy and that important when you've got all these other demands?

Yeah, it's super hard. That's why I always bring up my health journey. It's not like I went super deep in on that, but realizing that I needed the energy throughout the whole day, not half of the day, the whole day, until I make it to my bed at bedtime. I need the energy to serve my family well. I'm very passionate about health because I recognize that the common meme is, But first, coffee. But first, I need some me time to survive this chaos. But we're really not as resilient as we should be because our health isn't being supported in the way that it needs to be, to be the best mother, to be the best wife, to be the best daughter in life. And so first, supporting yourself so that you can overcome the hardship that comes your way. And so for me, I'm not watching Netflix or TV or anything at bedtime. I'm going to bed or I'm having a conversation with my husband. Why? What is- Or I'm having a conversation with my husband. So it's like the relationship and my health first before any entertainment. And trying to- Did you feel like, just to pause on this for a second, because I think it's a big thing, particularly for busy people, people with little kids.

It's like, all right, the second they go to bed, I'm just going to zone out in my own world with Netflix or whatever. Why is that bad? Well, you know- Why did you stop doing it?

I stopped because I felt like I needed to stop for my own, like, survival. Really? Survival. Like, you know, I do try to find a 20, 30 minute, sometimes hour and a half window for myself in the day, which that looks like surfing or getting a little movement or going on a walk or laying in my bed, praying or doing something just by myself for a quick minute. But there's so much time that is wasted, whether it's scrolling on social media or watching TV. It's very consumeristic. I want to create I want to create, and I want to build and make beautiful. To me, consuming doesn't allow for that as much. When I'm consuming, I'm essentially not creating.

I knew it would be worth asking you that question because that's a wonderful answer. When I'm consuming, I'm not creating.

Yes. For me, we always want to justify our actions. Every now and then, I like sit down and watch alone. It's usually with my husband and sometimes with my children. That's the one TV show we watch lately in the last year. But otherwise, I'm not consuming. I am on social media, but I try to keep tabs on that and not let it overtake my life. Typically, I have it on a separate device. Lately, I haven't because I broke my old device phone. But I had to move it off my main phone device because I was needed to control all that time, so to say, spent not randomly scrolling when I didn't necessarily want to. It was like a tick or a reflex. Putting some boundaries there because it became an easy reflex to kill time and space. I moved it to a separate device, and that was a game changer for me. I know not everyone can just have a separate extra device, but if you can, and if it is stealing that much of your time, then maybe it's worth investing that extra little chunk if aren't willing to give it up. But yeah, anyway.

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Yeah, it's almost like we're more reactive to life rather than proactive. Reacting to what comes our way and just reacting to the time and just doing what we have to do to get by Versus planning and being proactive and saying no to certain things and choosing what comes in the household and how we use our time and how we converse with one another. I think of the marriage as the foundation of the household. And so being proactive in that relationship and really working for that rather than letting time turn it into this passive relationship that eventually physically chisels out because we weren't proactive in it. And so, yeah, it'd be fun if Adam was here, he could speak to that in his own sense. I'm grateful to God for him every single day. And we've had our own journey of growing and learning and becoming more proactive and working through our challenges.

One thing I'm struck by is you keep coming back to time, how you spend time. When you said that homeschooling can be done, a child can be educated to at least the standard of a public school in two hours. Then you said, but for most parents, just send your kids to school, take them to sports. There's a whole program that families sign up for that they have no control over at all. That may or may not be good for their children, and they just react to it. But you're instead figuring out how to spend the other 22 hours of the day with your kids. That's a big change from the way most people live.

Yeah, it That was a big change. I think it's because I was the last generation to not have social media for most of my childhood. I remember I got an Instagram about when I was 15, and I had this season where I was highly addicted to it. I would be with all my friends, and I would randomly start scrolling, and then I would try to show them stuff, and they're like, We're having fun together We don't need that. I was this last generation to... I grew up diving into the ocean and swimming with turtles and going surfing and playing kick the can in the yard and filming little movies on a camcorder that were gory, and we put ketchup on my left arm. We were truly children filming horror movies in our backyard because it was hilarious and funny and just being really creative. Now This generation and you'll be driving, and you'll see kids on the side of the road hunched over looking at devices, waiting for their school bus, not full of life, not full of joy and beauty and passion and creativity, but rather being sent into this society realm that is just passive.

It's being entertained. It's being consumeristic. It's just lacking this beauty in life that I really like. I look back on my childhood and I love my childhood. I did grow up with amazing parents that they devoted a lot of time to me.

It's just funny because you're famous for being attacked by a shark and losing your arm in your childhood. How was your childhood? The best.

It was. Well, that's just- It's good. Yeah, it was so amazing. The loss of the arm was just a little speed bump in the road. I continued to have an amazing childhood after I lost my arm. Now I'm looking at this generation- It feels like you really mean that. Yeah, I do mean that. I loved my childhood, even the hardship that I faced. It created me to be an overcomer, to be an adapter, to be someone who has to work through a challenge in a healthy way. I did figure that out, I would say, for the most part. There's always things we have to unpack at some point or another. But yeah. And now, fast forward being a mom, and I'm looking at this generation, and it's just so vastly different. I will say I would leave my house at 8:00 in the morning to go surf. My brothers were gamers. So I would leave the house and go do a bunch of different things. And then I would come back 8 hours later, and my brothers hadn't left their spot on the couch. And that also had a huge impact on me. I was like, What are you guys doing?

You literally haven't left the couch for 8 hours straight. And I hated seeing that. I think being a nature lover and someone who grew up in nature and found my creativity in waves. Granted, both my brothers were great oceanmen as well. They were really talented on waves. So it wasn't like they were so stuck to the gaming that they didn't go surf. But I saw this side that I just didn't like. And I was like, there's no way I'm allowing that in my household as I grew up or as I'm raising my children because I want them to be creating. I want them to just be super healthy. I think, too, I have a unique perspective of being a former professional athlete, really having to push it physically and mentally, and knowing that I had to support that nutritionally and just through various avenues of health. I now bring that into my household, and I'm like, if there's one area in your life as a parent to not be passive, it's like, well, actually, I don't think I can narrow it down to one thing, but it's like your faith and health. Like, at least give your children those two things because otherwise, society will eat them up.

There's so much junk out there that will take them over. Okay. Well, let's...

First of all, I feel like a consumer is slug listening to you. I've never played a video game, but I have wasted a lot of my life now that I think of it, and I'm sorry that I have. But let's just stop with those two things. The two things you said you can give a child or for children are faith and health. So let's just start with faith. How do you do that?

Well, I guess you have to go on the journey yourself first. You have to be able to know what you believe. My parents encouraged me to know God at a young age in the Christian faith. And I mentioned earlier, after I lost my arm, I had a peace that I believe only God could have brought through that season, even though it felt chaotic and upside down and the most unimaginable thing happened to me. And I'm a very rare human to have that circumstance. But even in the chaos, I had a sense of peace that God was with me, and he was not going to leave my side. And I don't think that he ever did. The way I worked through that season was so beautiful and so full of a confidence that I believe only God could have brought. And I'm thankful that my mom and dad weren't perfect, but they were there for me. My mom would read the Psalms and Proverbs in particular because it's very inviting. I like the Proverbs because it unpacks the wisdom of God. There's 31 Proverbs. You all could read one Proverbs a day, and it would be less than five minutes of your day.

Could you take five minutes of your day to read God's word? I think so.

And they're amazing. And even if you don't believe in God, an atheist could read the Proverbs and come away improved.

Oh my gosh. Anyone would- Yes, be blessed by the Proverbs. But the Proverbs and Psalms was one thing that my mom did read with me. She would read that and pray with me at bedtime. And that was such a blessing. And I think that helped sprout my own faith, my own childlike faith that eventually grew into its own as I grew into an adult. And now I want to give my children that so that if they have something like a shark attack in their life, they're going to be able to work through that with or without mama. They'll be able to survive the challenges of this world. They'll be able to see through the lies that are being spoken on a daily basis in our society. They'll be able to see through the lies that aren't going to serve them in their life. And I believe that that's in God's word, first and foremost. And so for me, it looks like praying with my children at bedtime and throughout the day. And it's reading the Bible, and it's encouraging them in their faith and talking through philosophical ideas that at the end of the day, you can look to God's word and know what is truth.

I forget your original question, but- How do you impart faith and health? Yeah. And then, too, just praying for my children, because at the end of the day, it's not me who does their faith. It's God. God will gift you that faith. He will speak into your life. And so to me, the most important thing is to read God's word because that is the thing that will sharpen them and speak into their life. And it's ultimately the Lord says that that is his word. And when we hear his word, that can work and move in our hearts and minds. And then when it comes to health, just living out a healthy lifestyle, teaching them what is good and what is not good. My children know that we're not eating Red Die 5 because it's not good for us. So they're choosing not to do that at 6:00 and 9:00 already. And they know we still have treats. So it's not like they're so deprived that they're like, Oh, my gosh, I need the Red Die 5 because I have this opportunity to have it. The Red Die 5.

Pardon my ignorance. What's Red Die 5?

You know the Red Die that they put in food, but it's not really like food, and it's highly toxic? You need a deep dive that, Tucker. Come on, get your act together.

I don't know if I want to know. It sounds bad, though.

But if you go into the grocery stores now, majority of the grocery store is not even things we should be consuming. I know a lot of people are like, Well, that's expensive. To a certain extent, it is going to take a little more investment to bring real food into your house. But when you educate yourselves and start to understand why, it becomes an easier decision. And there's a lot of things you can do that are more affordable to just eat real food, basically.

What do you serve your kids?

That's the cool thing is I'm the one with the wallet, so I get to bring what is in the house, my husband and I, of course. He does half of the grocery shopping. Whoever just is out there picking up the food.

Most money in every household is spent by the woman.

She makes those decisions. Yes. I'm the one that's choosing what comes into the house. It's easy to make the household healthy because I'm not going to buy the junk that doesn't serve them and their health in the long run. So for example, for breakfast, we'll have crepes, pancakes, waffles, or egg toast. I'm blending it in the blender and I'm putting the ingredients in there. And it's all wholesome ingredients and lots of good eggs. Eggs are such a great way to start your day. My children are fairly mentally stable, and I think it's because we eat really good. We eat clean, healthy foods, and they're not very rollercoastery in their mental stability. I'm seeing it play out in real-time like, wow, they're really healthy children.

Because their sugar levels aren't spiking and crashing eight times a day.

Yeah. And then it's not even that we don't eat sugar. We're just making sure we're getting enough protein to balance out that glucose. So as long as you're balancing out your diet, you're going to be okay if you have a little treat in there. But there are a few things we avoid, like Red Die Fives, artificial ingredients, seed oils, a few other things that just aren't really real foods. And so we just keep it wholesome and real. We eat a lot of your normal meals, but just the healthy version of it and none of the junk process. And we'll shop at Costco, for example, because that's one of the only grocery stores we have on our island. 90% of what's in there, we're not bringing home. So we're choosing to find the good stuff that is wholesome and real.

But no lucky Charms from Mountain Dew.

No. We might have a A little root beer here and there.

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I mean, we have a really unique life. Growing up in Hawaii, they're in nature all the time. And I will say, if you're struggling in your parenting, it's probably because you just need to get in nature more. Like, any day, I feel stressed or overwhelmed in motherhood. I'm like, We're going to the beach. We're going to nature. We're getting out of the house and into just this place where they can be creative and just be grounded again. And so I found that I definitely thrive as a mother in nature. I'm trying to find those thriving locations so that we can thrive in life.

How much contact do you have with your larger family?

Yes. I mean, we have such a beautiful setup. My parents, they live on the same property as us, and both my older brothers live within a 10-minute drive. And so, I got all my niece and nephews, my brothers. How many? We have about 12 or 13 grandkids now, my parents. It's just like- And they all live next to each other? Yeah, we're all within 10 minutes drive of each other. It's really easy to get together and help each other, raise each other's children. My mom is a super grandma. She's so supportive and is truly there for us. If I'm having a rough season in motherhood, which they come and go, it's just part of life. My mom's there, and she's giving me advice, and I'm asking her for advice, and I'm like, How do I get through this, mom? Or on the rare occasion, Please take the children before I lose my mind, which isn't very often because I have a great relationship with my children, and I am healthy, so it's not like I need that all the time, but it is just a blessing to have that.

Just for perspective, because you're famous, people might think, Well, you can live that way when you're really rich. But having just been in Hawaii I was reminded it's, I think, the most expensive state. It's one of the hardest places to live, and it doesn't sound like your family's rich.

No. I mean, we make decent money, and we are a unique situation. But I grew up with five of my best friends from childhood, born and raised in Hawaii. They're now married and have children, and almost all of them are homeschooling, and they're living a very normal life, and they're getting by. They're choosing to live a lifestyle that is different, but they aren't anyone unique or out there.

That's what I'm saying. It's achievable then.

You can choose to live a certain lifestyle. I think the common thing in America, too, is we want to live above our means. So figuring out what is your means and are you living within your means and what adaptations can you make so that you could make your dreams come true if you have certain dreams, so to say? And if you choose to not go down that route, at least being intentional with the time that you do have with your children. So when they come home from school, having that energy and that mental capability to be intentional, to give them eye contact, to give them that quality time. I feel like specifically from junior high to high school, it's the most pivotal years besides, obviously, childhood's pretty pivotal and their worldviews are pretty formed very young. But there's these pivotal years where parents get very little time with their children because they're in school, they're in sports. Then they come home and they have homework and random chores, maybe. And the parents barely get that time with their children. And so Obviously, my children aren't in those years, but I'm thinking about those years and how I'm going to approach it.

I don't want it to be mundane or unintentional. I want my husband to have quality time with his son so that his sons have a good grasp on the world and what they're getting themselves into as they become adults.

What do you think they're getting themselves into as they become adults? No, really. I mean, you've got three boys, and Yeah.

I mean, there's a lot out there, but I hope that they'll find a wife pretty young and be good leaders of their household. I want to encourage them and help them find their way so that they can afford to be a husband and a provider. So working with them to figure out what their talents are and what work they could do to survive, and not just survive, but thrive. To say no to the temptations of the world and to respect women and to choose a life that is honorable and just and not just go with the flow of what society is currently at. I think as a male, in particular, there's a lot of temptation around women and pornography, and none of that really serves society. It's become so normalized. I grew up in Hawaii, and it's the most uncovered area of the world. People are literally walking around in close to nothing on a regular basis. But I feel like now young men, in particular, it's like there's social media, and it's just there's so many dark holes they can get caught up in. And even gaming, I am really against gaming. I haven't even really talked about that publicly, but there's no way I'm bringing that into my household because I want my boys building up their skills in life.

I want them to have a mentor, a plumber, electrician, mechanic, have these basic skills so that they're not completely helpless when they start living on their own. Just basic life skills that instead they could be gaming. And where is that going to get them? And then when they have start living a real life and they run into challenge, what are they going to do? Are they going to problem-solve or are they going to just go zone out in gaming? There's a lot of husbands that aren't showing up because they're busy gaming or pornographing. And so, equipping our boys to say no and to say yes to the good and beautiful things that they could be doing in life and to learn how to provide and serve and protect.

You've got such an interesting interesting way of presenting what you think. You have a very gentle affect and calm and laid back, but what you're saying is really radical as compared to... I think every word you've said is true, just for the record, but it's so different. It's so different. You live on an outer island in the farthest away state out of 50, pretty rural state, I think. Maybe you don't know how radical were you're saying. Do you have a sense of how different how you live is from how many other people live?

I mean, I've started to realize that in raising children, of trying to find good friends for my children and just some of the boundaries that we are setting on behalf of our children and trying to who can they play with, what households are good for them to be in. I think it's going to get even harder in the teenage years.

It sounds like you think you have the right to make those decisions as a parent.

Oh, 100%. I think that if I didn't lead, guide, and protect them like nobody else will.

Yes. No, I mean, I couldn't agree more.

Don't we have an understanding that the brain isn't fully developed till 25? Yes. For males, I think it is somewhere- Mid-30s for me. Somewhere around there. Why would you hold back protecting them and helping serve and guide lead them in a healthy direction. I think of myself as super healthy, and so, of course, I'm going to help lead and guide them along the way and not just let them hopefully float out there and figure it out.

That is the strategy for many people.

But even to the extent of like, Hey, you're invited to question me, son. Question what I'm saying. Question what your auntie, your uncle is saying. Ask questions and don't be so passive that everything Mama and Dada says is the end-all say-all. So to the extent of like, yes, you respect your mother and father, but you're still allowed to ask questions and have your own opinion. But I do see it in my nine-year-old, how much he looks up to his dad and me and how he's willing to... He knows that when Mama says, eat Red Die 5, it's because she loves him and she's protecting him from eating these neurotoxins that will give him ADHD. And he doesn't have that currently, so we don't want him to get that. But he could have it if he keeps eating those over and over and over again. And so he trusts me in that. I explain why. I'm not just like, No, you can't have that. I explain why he can't have that and why I don't want him. And you know what? If he ate it once or twice a year, I'm not making a huge deal out I'm just like, Hey, we're not bringing that into our household, at least.

How are you going to navigate marijuana?

For me, it was actually a really easy one to navigate as a teenager. Because I think the way my mom might have talked about it, and then even in the public school was like, I was highly athletic-driven, and so I could see that it was a common theme that people lost their drive in life with marijuana in particular. And then even I've had a mother-daughter mentorship program, and one of our calls is focused on drugs. And the coolest thing is we'll show the girls the brain without marijuana and alcohol and the brain with, and they look very different. It's very noticeable how healthier... We had a brain specialist explain the differences, and you could see see it with your own eye. And so that was really cool to me as an adult who's chosen not to do marijuana or anything like that. But just talking about it from my perspective of health. So that's why I said earlier, encouraging your children in faith and understanding health is so important. And talking about, I talk about, Hey, if you go through a challenging season in your life, do you want to go to alcohol or do you want to go to God?

What's going to be your strength? What's going to serve you and your family? Is alcohol going to serve your family or is God? What's going to lead you forward and help you to overcome and adopt and persevere through the challenges that will inevitably come your way? Certainly not alcohol and drugs, which a lot of society is going to that because we essentially aren't happy with our life or we're looking for an outlet that numbs some of the pain. Working with our children to face their hardship and to work through their pain and to have a plan for when that comes, if they don't have any of that prior to leaving the household, having a good plan. What are you going to do when you face hardship? Are you going to go to these outlets? Are you going to come back to mom and dad or someone who's respectable in your life to help help you work through it? Because there's certainly been seasons in my life where I'm like, why didn't I go to someone to help me through that? Well, exactly. And I tried to navigate it by myself, and it was, it sucked, and it was hard, and it was awful.

And I'm like, why didn't I ask for help? And I just like, That's not what I want for my children. I want them to go and ask someone for help, whether it's me or not. That's okay. But I hope it's me. And if it's not me, they're going to have a few other people in their life that I'm going to be like, This would be a great person. If you don't, for some reason, don't feel comfortable talking to me, go to this person and have them spend time with that person in their late teen years so that they have a relationship that's encouraging.

Why do you think, it's pretty common human experience, but people have problems that they could probably sort out quickly if they articulated them in front of somebody else But they don't. Why?

Oh, my gosh. I feel like there's a lot of reasons why. I think that's why earlier in our conversation, I talked about working through some of my issues in motherhood is because I think sometimes we get closed in life or we aren't open to teaching or wisdom or respecting our elders. It's almost like there's this untalked-about level of being where we have pride and we just think we can do it ourselves. And I feel like that's almost growing even more now with social media because they're like, Oh, I can just Google what to do. Rather than ask someone respectable in your life like, Hey, do you think this is a good life decision? Should I go down this route? So For me, I don't know, I'm going about this answer in a long way, but I'm now asking three different people for advice if I have something that feels overwhelming or challenging. I'm going to the three different people and trying to see if it will align for them, if their advice to me will align or just having someone respectable to speak into my life over challenging subjects that feel like I need help in this area.

You're approaching in your own life with humility.

You're acknowledging that you don't know every answer to every question. Yeah. If it feels like something really hard, just not being afraid to ask for help. Maybe there's this level of that distancing in junior high and high school where you're almost separating from your parents too early. Then you go off to college and adult life and you're like, Well, I don't really have that relationship with my mom and dad, so I'm not going to ask them for help. Or we didn't work through some of our issues in that relationship through the high school years. And so there's not that level of, You can come to me. I'm here for you, and I'll accept you no matter what the challenge is. And so trying to keep that relationship open and just communicative so that when the real challenges come, there is an openness, and they'll be willing to for help. And obviously, there's different characters.

I can see already, trying to raise the different characters in my children. I'm like, They're very different, and it's going to require some problem solving or adaptability to their different personality and character.

Yeah, genetics is real. Yeah. Kids are different. You said you have a mentorship program where you're dealing with young people who are not your children. Yeah. What do you notice about them? Yeah. I've always just had a heart for teenage girls, and maybe it's because of what I faced at such a young age. When I lost my arm, I was 13 years old, and it's such a pivotal season going into those teenage years. But then there was this one woman who would pick up my girlfriends and I and speak into our lives. She mentored us and encouraged us in relationships in particular. She equipped us to enter into the dating realm and to look for a husband in a healthy way. This woman wasn't super appealing, so to say. I would say the fact that she brought chocolate and brought us to the beach was the lure, so to say. But she was willing to just show up. Even if she wasn't super cool, as a teenager, you're looking for those cool people to hang out with. Of course. She wasn't super cool, but she spoke into her lives, and she made the most of what she had, and she made such an impact in my life.

I just feel like I've been given a unique platform to speak into young people's lives. I'm very passionate about social media as well. The big thing I've noticed is the girls who... I'm working with girls between 9:00 to 18:00, and they're alongside of their mothers. But the girls who are highly active on social social media, you can just tell right away. They dress more promiscuous. They're very aware of their being. They're very aware of just how they look and how they carry themselves. It's almost like they've got something to prove. They're trying to be cool or be accepted in a certain way. I really just noticed a vast difference in the girls that are active on social and the girls that are not. And either way, they're very lovable. Who's happier? Definitely the girls that are not active on social media have less issues. Oh, it's that obvious. Yes. They have a lot less issues. It's definitely really interesting. There have been extreme cases where we've had some girls who are really struggling in their life, and their mom's like, We've already done everything. We've done counseling. We've done drugs to try to calm them down or help them not be depressed, and it's just not working.

And so they're coming into this program like, Let's just try it. You never know. And I think there's just something about the community element and talking about the truth and the challenges of the world. So we're talking about all these different topics: dating, drugs, conflict resolution, faith, all the different topics that I'm naturally passionate about, and even health and stuff, and just trying to equip the girls But at the end of the day, the young girls might be really excited to see Bethany as their mentor. But the goal is not me. It's their mom. So their mom's coming in and doing it with their daughter. And it's about that mother-daughter relationship because I remind the girls, I'm like, Hey, girls, I'm not going to be there for you when the going gets rough, but your mom is. She's the one that will die for you and do whatever it takes to be there for you in your tough seasons. And so maybe you don't see eye to eye with her on everything, and maybe you have a little sandpaper of a relationship, but your mom loves you so much. And so it's just about bringing back that family unit and making that be the focal point of the mentorship experience program.

And so it's just been... Yeah, it's really interesting, though, to unpack the difference in the children who are being exposed a lot more and then the ones who are not. And to me, it feels a little devastating because I'm like, I had such a good childhood. You girls should be adventuring in nature and filming cute little funny movies on a little camcorder. And instead, we got TikTok dancing and just endless media scrolling and TV watching. I don't want to be so negative because I know there's beautiful moments in everyone's lives, but I just feel like there's so much more to be had when we're creating and being artistic and letting our strengths and talents be used and pursuing the good and beautiful things in life and having really open, loving relationships and quality time. One thing I'm working with my children is teaching them, I try to look in their eyes. I've met a lot of people, and it's like, we almost are losing eye contact. Something as simple as that, trying to look people in the eye and starting in your own household, once you start to be aware of it, you're like, Whoa, they haven't looked me in the eye today.

And so you have to... But I have to lead my children to be able to look me in the eye. And so making sure I'm not so busy that I can't slow down and check them out and give them that eye contact that they deserve in that quality time. So one thing I love to do with my six-year-old in particular, and he's super sweet, but he has this interesting personality that it feels a little harder to get through to. One thing I like to do with him is play Rummy cards.

So he's only six, and he's doing so amazing.

He beats me all the time at Rummy, and he'll be calculating how much points he has versus how much points I have throughout the game.

And this is one way that I like to connect with him. That is really sweet, and there's nothing else going on. I mean, obviously, there's little sissy trying to steal the cards, but for the most part, it's just him and me having this a moment to connect. You're not checking Instagram during the games? No. Phones set aside, and it's just him and I, my six-year-old, who actually can play cards really well. And he's doing math at the same time, but he's connecting with mom. A lot of bad things going on in the world that honestly, not many of us can have an effect on. Rising crime, failing schools, a tanking economy. What can you do about that? Well, not a lot, but you can get your own house in order. And above all, you can spend money with merchants, with companies that support your values, that are making this a better country and not a worse country. But how do you find those companies? Well, that's where Public Square comes in. Public Square actively curates the best products from America's small businesses to help families lead happier, healthier, more productive, and connected lives. That means fewer errands to big box stores, less searching to find wholesome alternatives to the garbage being offered in our culture, and more quality time spent with people you love most.

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And so I'll give them ownership sometimes or take turns with, sometimes we're listening to mama music, sometimes we're listening to baby music. If the baby is fussing, and then sometimes we're listening to classical piano or a story on the podcast, an audiobook. And so that's an example of like, yeah, we're using technology, but we're not giving our phones to shush our children, so to say.

And it's interesting because it doesn't really ever cross my mind to need to quiet my children with a device because we just have things established and they're already doing their own thing.

How do you handle long flights?

Oh, we let them watch movies on long airplane rides, and they're stoked, and they're getting their movie time.

But then it makes them look forward to traveling. I feel okay with that because it's like we're not consuming all the time, and it's not like the 20th movie they've watched this week. So you said you had five friends from childhood who all wound up living like you. Yeah. I mean, yeah, very similar. But we're all scattered throughout the island. Sometimes they'll meet up at the beach, but we don't see each other as much as we'd like. But do you stick out in your community? I think I do.

But also, I would say a lot of people in Hawaii are spending...

We live to live. We don't work to live. We're all going to the beach as soon as we're not working.

Everyone's checking the surf forecast and scheduling their life around the surf forecast.

I mean, if they can. Sometimes you got to work when you got to work.

But I feel like people in Hawaii, my friend actually brought this up the other day, we very much so live to live, and we're going to enjoy the sunset a lot and get out in nature because it's so easy to access out there.

But there's also- I've seen people live in beautiful places and never go outside.

Yeah, true. That's probably true. Yeah.

I don't know. I try not to pay attention too much to what everyone else is doing. But you're not considered a freak or people are nice to at the grocery store Yeah, I know. It's very low-key. I mean, I would say Hawaii has a lot of pocket of people living outside of the box. Yeah, but you're... I mean, how is Christianity viewed? I feel like that's an interesting one, and it feels like it's changing right now with this new world religion of the Pride, LGBTQ plus whatever movement. You said the acronym wrong, and I'm glad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway. But I feel like there's this new surgence of a new religion, and it's almost like anti-religion. It doesn't matter what your religion is. It's against all the religions, so to say, unless the religion tends to be a little more relaxed, so to say. It's definitely anti-Christian. And I think because it feels attacked by Christianity, because there's moral ground in Christianity. The Bible says, Thou shalt not lie, but then it has all the other Ten Commandments. And when you look at someone's life who may maybe lives more in that fashion, they bring a lot less pain into the world.

When you're lying, killing, stealing, that's not good for the world. Yeah. And so there's so much beauty within it, but people are rejecting it because there's a few of the things like, you should be faithful. Before you're even married, you should be faithful. And society does not want to be faithful. And so it's a It feels unachievable and unapproachable because society has normalized being unfaithful. People feel defensive when they feel like they are being told what to do. Yes. But yet someone who lives out a faithful life is such a blessing, right? Yes. When you meet a married couple who've been married 50 years, you're like, That is incredible. That's so beautiful. And they've been faithful, and they've chosen to love and serve whoever they committed their life to, their spouse. And that is such a blessing in society. And it's likely that their children are more stable and healthy in society. And so I just get so stoked on that.

When I meet the couple that's been married 50 years, I'm like, give me advice.

Tell me, what should I do? How can I achieve what you've achieved? And what do they say? I mean, the answers are very different, but I'm just always willing to ask them for advice. I can't think of any big ones. I can't think of any standouts. If you could give advice. You haven't been married 50 years, but you have a successful marriage. We're at 11 years. I would say the biggest thing in our relationship is truly the grace of God and looking to God to be the author and finisher of our faith to understand that His grace is sufficient for me. And when I understand that, then I know His grace is sufficient for my husband. And if God is sufficient for my husband, then that then leads me to be gracious on my husband and vice versa, him on me. And that is the foundation of a healthy marriage. And no matter what you're going to go through and how hard the seasons may be, you're going to be able to work through it because your foundation is not in yourself and your ability to be the perfect husband or wife, but your foundation is in the ability to trust in God, or not even the ability, but to allow God to work through your life.

Yes. That would be my number one advice. That's great advice. You said that you see the rise of a global religion. Are you ever confronted by people who believe in that religion? Yeah. I mean- And how do you respond? Yeah, it's interesting because I've just been trying to unpack it so I can better understand it. It's being promoted under the lens of being loving, right? Right. To be loving towards all those people, but to everyone around you, regardless of their views. It's almost disregarding having an opinion or a worldview or a belief system. It's like disregarding having any moral foundation and that you have to love and be accepting of whatever they want to do, regardless of how destructive it may be. And so to me, I think faithfulness is essential for a healthy society. And yet people don't want to embrace that. They want to be free, so to say, and do whatever they want with whoever they want at any point in time in their life. And what they don't understand is that that is painful in the long run. To not have a relationship that is stable and faithful and committed and enduring, that is hard and that is painful.

And yet Society just wants to promote that as if it's a good... Do whatever makes you happy in the moment. And so the way I view it is like, to be unfaithful is not good. It's not healthy for a strong society. It doesn't lead for confident children when their parents are breaking apart. And maybe you have already, maybe you've already hit that point in life where you've split from your partner. It became unbearable. It was painful. And I wouldn't go so far as to say God's grace is not sufficient for you. His grace can be sufficient for you no matter how awful things may be. And he can work in your children's lives. So I'm not saying, you know. But I just think that if society can strive to be faithful, that alone could flip society on its head to be more beautiful and more just full of life and passion and purpose. I think most of society, when they see a married couple who are in good relations with one another, 50 years later, everyone's celebrating. Everyone's cheering that on and in awe of that, because it is hard, and it is hard to make it that long, I think.

It's already seen to be, you look at the divorce rates, so to say, and it's super hard out there. People aren't making it very far. Yeah. I think that's probably harder than sticking together long run. Yes, totally. Tell me about brave books. I feel like the last few years has been crazy, starting with 2020. I would say I was pretty passive when it came to the worldviews, so to say.

I had my worldviews and I had things I wanted to live out in my own life, but I wasn't hyper aware of what's going on in society.

Then when- I can't overstate, I've been to where you live, so I know how far away you live. Yeah. And so then 2020, 2021 hit, and all this craziness started happening. And you can start to see through what is actually going on here, because I don't think it's as simple as a virus being, you know. Oh, you don't. Just emerge from wet market organically. No. So then, I just started to realize who I partner with and where I put my money matters. As a professional athlete, you're given all kinds of deals that could make you money.

But they're not necessarily good things.

No. For example, I've had a professional career in surfing, and I never took a deal with an energy drink because I just don't believe in those. That was an area where I drew the line because I didn't think it was healthy, and it's not something I want to promote to anyone, let alone children who look up to me. What if it was Mountain Dew, Berry Blast? No Mountain Dew, Berry Blast, either. Okay. I'm trying to find your red lines. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do drink coffee, so I might have promoted a little coffee drink here and there. I love coffee. But I'm promoting smoothies, and I'm promoting finding your fuel and energy and food and taking care of yourself, and just living a healthy lifestyle.

But fast forward, 2020 and all that chaos hits, and I'm like, What are we promoting?

And so I get this opportunity to... I get brave books emailing me and being like, Hey, do you want to write a children's book with us? And I'm like, Oh, yeah, let's go. But this company is standing against a lot of the societal norms, and they're trying to build the family. They're trying to build up children to have solid identities, to say no to the lies of the world, to be aware of the challenges that they're going to face as they grow about life. And now I'm reading them to my children. I'm like, This is the raddest book ever to be able to read my children to sleep. When you say something for people not from Hawaii, when you say something is the raddest book ever, that's good. Good. Epic. Solid. Yeah. So, for example, one of my favorite brave books, besides my own, I mean, I like my book, but I'm just not like that.

But It's about this little boy who has to save his sister, and he has to go on this crazy journey to find this ice flower.

And if he drips the little ice flower on her lips, she'll survive the pokey that she stepped on that's going poison her. And so he's having to basically become a man and save his little sister. And it's the sweetest little story. And now my three-year-old is like, I'm going to go find an ice flower for my baby sister. And it's computing in his head. The life that he should live is to save the young woman in his life and to protect her and to face his fears on her behalf. And he goes on this gnarly journey, and he's crying at one point. And it's just this rad little book. I think it was called The Son of Truth. No, no, it wasn't The Son of Truth, but that's another one that's really good, too. But anyway, my agent's like, Hey, are you sure you want to partner with this company? Because once all the big corporational companies see you partnering with brave books, they're not likely going to want to partner with you as much anymore. I'm like, Oh, my gosh. It felt like I was walking off a cliff, and I think I did walk off some cliff, but it felt like a good one.

A good cliff. Yeah. Then, I partnered with bravebooks. I wrote my book, Surfing Past Fear. It's a really sweet story inspiring children to overcome their fears. And then about nine months later, the World Surf League starts allowing males to compete in the female division. I'm the only one walking off that cliff saying, No, this is not okay, and we're not about to allow males to compete against... I'm not about to have males competing against me willingly. And that was a whole 'nother just step of faith in that someone's got to say no. Nobody else did? Like, literally, I don't think one female, maybe a couple, lesser known, not very vocal girls. I think there was a lot of women not for it, but the unfortunate thing was the World Surf League had all the athletes say like, Hey, you're not allowed to say anything deemed derogatory or negative towards the World Surf League, or, We will find you and disqualify you from competing. So shut up and obey. Yeah. And so that was the contract they had signed the December prior to that year. And they literally get an email. They didn't even get a vocal warning like, Hey, males are not allowed to compete in the female division as long as their hormones reach this certain level.

And they didn't even get a warning. They just get an email in the inbox. And I'm like, Oh, no way. This is not okay. And I'm not for this. And I think I lost some major deals that year. I think I had had a deal on the table with Ford, and that never happened. I think it was around that time when I was like, No, I'm not for this. I made a public statement. What reaction did you get to that? I would say it was mostly positive, but there was some gnarly negative intertwined mind. But I feel like most of the... I had people out of the woodworks stopping me in our local grocery store like, Thank you so much for speaking up. We're so proud of you. But there was also some really aggressive... I have this shark gang on TikTok that they're like, We're on Team Shark. What? Yeah, some like, crazies out there. But you know what? Whatever side of the spectrum you are, I feel like there's crazies in the mix of like, Yeah. At either end. There's just extremists that are hateful and harsh and will say gnarly things. But it definitely was an intense season, and I probably let it affect me more than I should, though I didn't look too much.

I was like, Hon, you I can look if you want, but I'm not looking because I need to go to sleep tonight. Good for you.

Not looking is a huge step. I know. Sometimes you just have to not look.

I've never looked. I'm not a looker. Yeah, you're probably better off. Much better off. Yeah. Anyway, partnering with companies like bravebooks, and now I'm partnered with Public Square. You can literally put your dollar where your values matter, and I think that really matters. There is a team of amazing people trying to build a parallel economy that isn't founded on these weird agendas and these- Hate, division, death. Yeah. Just this gnarliness or this new world religion that they're trying to shove down children's throats to make them more confused than ever. And so bravebooks is inspiring families to speak into their children's lives early on so that they can go into society and not be confused, not be hateful on themselves and, reject their God-given beauties, but to embrace their God-given talents and the person that they've been formed to be. And I feel like this New World Religion is like, Oh, just be whatever you want, flow whatever direction you want. And it really doesn't lead to happiness. It leads to despair and darkness. And you can even look at the statistics and know that some of these people that are choosing to amputate their body parts are not healthy, and they're regretting their decisions, and they're taking hormones that essentially make them get disease earlier on in life than they should.

And I'm like, We're cheering this on because they just feel like they want to be different than they actually are. I have one arm. I would never wish that on anyone. Why would you amputate perfectly good body parts just to look a certain way? It doesn't make sense to look and be a certain way and to do such extreme measures. And yet society is like, Let's go. Granted, I think after I spoke out against males in female sports, I think the majority of society is like, No, this ain't okay. But they just might not be voicing their opinions. Did the Surf League change their position? No. And I think ultimately, Ultimately, they're trying to be accepted into the Olympic rules, so they're following the Olympic rules.

The Olympics is choosing to allow males into female sports.

The World Surf League is just following their lead, so to say. Olympics is a joke. Yeah. I mean, I would say the athletes are incredible, and I highly celebrate the athleticism and the hard work of these athletes. But the organization behind is definitely not serving the athletes to the best of its ability. It's not looking at the realities of a male competing against a female. It's just simply not fair and should never be okay. I couldn't agree more. I wanted to end on something that we were talking about off camera that I thought was so cool and revealing. We're talking about social media, and my daughter is a huge fan of yours. She was showing me her social media last night.

I don't actually have the app, Instagram, but she's showing me this. It's so cool. She was saying, this woman has the most beautiful children I've ever seen. We were talking about social media this morning, and you were saying what you just said on camera, which is that you really notice its effects on young women. But you've chosen to put your own children in some of your pictures and videos for a very specific reason that I want you to explain because I thought it was just wonderful. Yeah. I mean, I've gone back and forth on, do I share my family life on social media or not?

And I just, from my perspective, I want to inspire the next generation to embrace and look forward to motherhood. There are people that I follow that make me just look forward to waking up to my children every day. They have a really positive outlook on motherhood. They inspire me to be the best mother I can be. They're not hiding their family life, so to say. And so there is this balance that a lot of people will just refuse to show family, but I really want to inspire this next generation. And I think so many people have gotten so many messages of, You're family is so beautiful. I want to be a mom someday. And that, to me, is so encouraging. And I just want people to know that motherhood is blessing, and to be a mom is one of the greatest roles in life. And I feel like there's a big movement that is against that right now. And there's a lot of meeming around, Oh, I just can't wait to go to bed, can't wait to silence the children. Just frustrations over motherhood. And I want to just encourage women to know that motherhood is such a blessing and that children are...

That is the high of my day. I go to bed, and Even if I had an amazing day aside from them, they are my highlight. They are the thing that I'm thinking about when I go to bed and I'm like, Oh, my gosh. Even on the rough days, I'm like, there's always that sweet moment that I I'm thinking about how my three-year-old came and gave me a big hug and kiss when I came back from surfing or something like that. And he was the highlight of my two-hour window. It wasn't the surfing by myself. It was the coming home and getting a big hug and kiss from my three-year-old. I'm hoping to inspire this next generation to know that motherhood is such a gift and to look forward to that because it's such a blessing. I won't even ask why anyone would want to deny people the greatest pleasure in life, but I just commend you for reminding the rest of us that it is the greatest pleasure in life. It is. It's such a blessing.

Bethany Hamilton, thank you very much. Thanks for listening to Tucker Carlson show. Enjoyed it, you can go to tuckercarlson. Com to see everything that we have made, the complete library, tuckercarlson. Com.