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Please, are you kidding me? This is of the utmost importance because I'm curious about politics for the first time in my life. I don't even know if we're going to talk about that today.

Well, I'm just interested because every professional athlete I've ever met from a very young age, you're in this silo, you're totally focused on what you do. You did a very unconventional thing. You were not the beneficiary of... There is no affirmative action in car racing. It's just like, who's fastest? To get there, obviously, every waking moment, I assume, is focused on that, right?

It's like such a yes, and the mindset is such a narrow focus. I can only observe it. I can only notice it now based on the contrast where I can take in so much more, I can receive so much more. I didn't even remember everybody's name that I'd meet on the weekends. You were just in this regimened routine and this very, very narrow focus of being able to go out there and drive a couple of hundred miles an hour and put your life on the line for years and years and years and years. People ask me all the time, Are you done racing? I'm like, For sure, I'm done racing. Why? I said, But if I had to do it, I know I could, but it would take so long to narrow back up again so that I could be in that focus to do it.

What's the regimen like for keeping that focus?

No, there's just less distractions. There's just almost not time for it, but you do your sponsor appearances, you do team meetings, you go work out, but You pretty much don't do other activities. You're not distracted and interested in getting your cup filled with a lot of other things. You're just racing all the time.

But how do you keep the distractions the world away from you?

They never come in in the first place. Is that right? They never come in in the first place, which is where I live in. Because you're so insulated. You're so insulated. The schedule is the schedule, and you're always at the mercy of if a sponsor needs you, if you need to go testing. Then when I When I was done, now I realize how many other things I do. People ask me what I do now. I'm like, Wow, well, and I list a whole bunch of things. I'm like, And I also take a lot of vacations now. There's just so many other interests I have that it spreads you out a lot more.

Did you feel like you were coming out of an enclosed space when you left? Like you had missed things?

No, I didn't feel like I was enclosed, but I felt like the fact that I could make my own schedule was just was brand new to me. The fact that I could plan a vacation was brand new to me. Or somebody be like, Oh, we're getting married this week. I'm like, I might be able to make it.

Yes, I know the feeling.

Yeah, exactly. It's a good feeling. It is to have some freedom to be the controller of your destiny and also plan the fun when you want to plan it. I also noticed one thing, too, and I don't know if this is something you've felt, too, but I used to not be able to downregulate very easily and relax. Even just going on vacation was never really enough. It would be you'd have that feeling the first few days of if it wasn't longer than five days long, by the day two or three, you thought, already I'm leaving and you never relax, where now I can go have a half a day and relax in my half a day. But back in the day, I couldn't relax for a week.

How did you relax? Because you have to unwind at some point, you go insane.

Not much. I don't think very much. I'd always stay very upregulated, get up, work out, do these things. Which is probably why it took me a few years to heal my adrenals.I believe that.Heal my... Get into parasympathetic and be happy in.

What's the world like that you live in? What are the people in professional ways?

Kind of cutthroat. I think that's one of the things that I was ready to be done with is that I just felt like the people, it wasn't that happy. Everybody was grinding grinding. Everybody was just grinding. It was week in, week out. Almost like a race. Yeah, exactly. It was just all like such a grind. People were okay. There were some nice people, but in general, it was stressful. Competitive politicking. I mean, there was, of course, politicking and racing. It just wasn't as fun anymore at the end, or I noticed it wasn't fun.

There's not a bar where all the drivers go to hang out.

Well, in NASCAR, there was a lot more of those bars to hang out. I mean that figuratively speaking. There were just some guys that were more fun and relaxed more, but IndyCar was much more serious. There'd be drivers that would talk about, I don't drink during the season. I was like, Bummer. Sorry for you. But yeah, they were much more serious.

What are the physical demands of it? I noticed people seemed to be in really good shape.

Yeah, IndyCar was really physical. The cars didn't have power steering, so they were much, much more physical. They also had more downforce based on the fact that they have wings, so that pushes the car down into the ground. Stock cars were hot. So inside of the car, it would be 130, 140 maybe. You'd lose a lot of... You'd sweat a lot in those cars. Just staying hydrated was really the main feat in NASCAR. There were some slightly more physical races, but they had power steering, so it was actually much easier to drive a stock car. But I didn't let anyone know that because they thought, Wow, how do you drive those big cars? I'm like, Just strong.

Wow. You have to be in decent. Yeah.

There's also something called race shape where You're in the car so often that the muscles that you need are all really conditioned well.

So your steering muscles are outside.

Yeah, steering neck, back, shoulders. Huh? Yeah. Your shins. I was in the gym the other day, and they're like, You have really nice whatever. I don't know what the shin muscle is called. I'm like, Well, it's probably a whole bunch of that in my life. Accelerating? Yeah.

How's your driving now?

Crazy.

Is that true?

Yeah, 100%, yeah. Not every race car driver is crazy when they drive on the road, but I am for sure.

Really? Do you ever get tickets? Sure.

Actually, I just got a text today. Somebody's like, There's something in the mail. Did you get a ticket? I said, I am sure I got a ticket somewhere along the way.

And Can they actually write them?

Well, this one was a photo, I believe. But yeah, they will write them. I haven't been physically pulled over by a cop in a while, but they will pretty much always give me tickets.

I think the robots are policing us now.

Is that... Yeah. Pretty soon it's going to be by air. It's 100% right. They're not going to need to mount it to a bridge and take a photo of it. No, it's our drone masters. Yeah, exactly. Maybe they're just going to be tracking us at all times.

I don't think there's any question about it.

I mean, doesn't that sound so exciting?

I got to ask you one last car question. What do you drive?

I have a Lamborghini Urus. It's an SUV, but it definitely drives like a car. I had a Range Rover for a long time, and I don't know what I was thinking because the Lambo is way more fun.

How fast is it?

I mean, it'll go 200 for sure, but I definitely get it to 100 every day I drive it.

For real? To the gym, the yoga studio, grocery? Exactly. Yep.

The airport, since that's where I go all the time these days. What do your neighbors think? I'm super respectful in the neighborhood, There's sport mode. There's actually a couple of levels of sport mode in the car. When you have it in normal standard mode, it gives you a whole bunch of alarms. It'll give you lane departure alarms, closing rate alarms, all these things. I can't turn them off for permanently. The only way I can turn them off is by changing it to a different mode. I drive it in sport mode, which means it doesn't shift until 5,000 RPM.It's just full selling.It's like, what? When I pull into the neighborhood, I put it back in normal mode so that I don't drive at 5,000 RPM around the neighborhood.

But the car is demanding it, is what you're saying.

The car wants it. It's asking for RPM.

What did you notice about the world when you were able to let it in?

That it didn't matter that I had bad weekends. I used to think every single weekend in the car, because that was my life, like every practice session, every qualifying, every race. It all mattered so much. I thought everyone was watching how, and it only mattered if it was poor, how poorly I performed at times. When I got done, I was like, Oh, it just didn't really matter. It just really didn't matter that much. Hit the high points, have good days, but you didn't need to stress so much about every day and every session being so good. Then what did I learn about the world outside of my own internal relationship with what I did? Is just that I didn't have any hobbies and I needed to find some.

Really? What did you take up?

Skiing and golf.Wow..

Are you good?Yeah.

Oh, no. But I'm getting better. In fact, I was just in Aspen, and Bobby, RFK, just gave me some lessons on the way down. I picked up my speed tremendously due to his lessons.

How do you run to Bobby Kennedy at Aspen?

Well, let's see. Aubrey Marcus was doing something with him, and his wife, Vilana, was someone I was just in Egypt with. She was like, Hey, I heard you're coming to Aspen. I don't know if that's true or not, but Bobby's doing an event If you want to go, here's the contact so you can set things up. There you go. I'm having lunch with him and Sheryl. What did you think of him? I think he's a super nice guy. I think he has a lot of heart. I think he's very relatable. I mean, even when we were hanging out skiing, having lunch, he was just in the normal ski Lodge, just having a burger and French fries. People just come up to him. He takes a picture with everybody. He's super nice. I just really think that he's like, he just has a lot of heart. I like him a lot.

When did you start thinking about politics?

About five minutes ago. What have you concluded? It's so new to me. I think we're at a interesting point in time in this next year with this next election.

Can I ask, did you not ever talk about it when you were racing?

Do you want to hear an athlete talk about politics or religion?

Yeah, I don't know.

It depends on the athlete. I suppose. I mean, you probably would appreciate the politics more for sure, being that's your world in which you've-But are people, they don't talk about it? No, no, no, you're not really. Well, I mean, where I came from, NASCAR, I mean, I don't know if there's anybody really very liberal or a Democrat in in the whole garage. Yeah, I bet that's right. It's very Republican, very conservative. It didn't make me like that. That's the way I am anyway. But I feel like I've lived my lifestyle in a much more, I don't know, casual way where I think people should be able to get married if they want to get married. If they don't want to have a baby, I believe that people should be able to choose their life path. Those are more liberal thoughts, but I also think the country should be run a little more like a business. If we're all handing our money over, let's make this do good things with the country. I suppose I have more conservative approaches to how things should be run. But I've never really gotten interested because I didn't have time, space, energy.

It didn't feel like it mattered to me. But now I'm at this point where it's coming at me. I'm sitting here with you.

Yeah, I'm so baffled. I'm skiing with Bobby. Yeah. How is it coming at you?

What do you mean? I don't know. It's just opportunities are presenting themselves. My interest has really peaked maybe in the last six months or so. Maybe it's my own magneticism to it because I'm generating some of my own personal interest. I didn't have I didn't have to go to AMFEST, where we met for the first time, finally. I didn't have to go to that, but I was like, Oh, let's go check it out. Growing up, my dad's pretty into all this stuff. I would actually be like, Dad, at some point in time, you got to turn off Fox News. At some point in time, you got to turn it Did it ever happen? He actually did. He did because he just kept getting so jaded and angry all the time. He's like, I promise this is just the local unbiased news. This is just local Indianapolis news. There's a background of my family being interested, and I was probably the last one to the party.

Oh, really? So they're aware of what's going on?

Yeah, for sure. More conservative than me.

Interesting. But you felt something inside you changed. Yeah.

I think it's a really good time to care. I've never even voted. Good for you. I'm not registered. I've never voted. My argument against it was that I'm not going to complain about it. If I complain, I have to do my part. But if I don't... And I never did. I was like, I have my choices and preferences, but hey, what's happening is what's happening.

It's just interesting that that changed. By the way, I'm not criticizing that approach.

Why do you think... What's the best reason? What about it is curious?

Because the world that we grew up in is disappearing really fast. If you liked it, it's worth preserving. People who didn't want to be involved, not inherently interested in it, are like, Wait a second. I liked that country. What is this? This is crazy. This is out of control. You have to say something, right?

I think that's pretty much where it got It's one thing for people to be able to live how they want to live and operate. It's another thing when the what they're doing is now finally affecting you. That's way up in your face. The things that for me, it's like, you can't say what you want to say anymore. You get in trouble for having an opinion. I got in trouble for going to AmFest and saying that I love this country. People were like, I hate you. You're awful unfollow. I'm like, How did we get to this point where you can't say, I love this country, where I feel like you see chemtrails all over the sky and they're poisoning our air, they poison our food. I'm like, This is really affecting me now. What are chemtrails? Well, it's a little bit more conspiracy-like. I don't know.

But where- Most of those have turned out to be true.

Exactly. Where they just spray different metals into the air. It controls, geoengineering, it controls the weather. Every time I see them, I feel like, Well, it's sure to be a cloudy day tomorrow, where you see the big grid mark in the sky where it's just all lines that don't dissipate because it's not vapor.

I don't think people look at the sky anymore because they have iPhones, so maybe they don't notice. Do you know what I mean?

No, I don't.

I think stargazing is extinct. But how did you learn about that?

Yeah, it's conspiracies, for sure. Just getting interested. Yeah.

Noticing the things around you and wondering what they are.

Yeah, I was very spiritual. Then I dated someone that was a little bit more conspiracy-based. Yes. We just got on the hot seat for I'm calling Jimmy Kimmel out.

Yes, I noticed that.

So I got more into conspirations. Aaron Rodgers, talk about. Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers. I'm just interested in that. I don't know anything about it, and I'm not alleging anything. But Aaron Rodgers goes on a podcast the other day and says, I bet you Jimmy Kimmel's on the list. And Jimmy Kimmel immediately responds, Hey, asshole, you're wrong. I'm going to sue you for saying that. But I don't know the truth, but he said it with some certainty.

It seemed like there was some anger. Yeah. Jimmy seemed like... And it was only a tweet. It was only words, obviously not out of his mouth, but there definitely seemed like there was some anger there.

But Aaron Rodgers seemed to know what he was talking about.

I mean, I don't know that. He's always been interested in conspiracies. I don't know the truth either. Does anyone know the truth? I mean, that's what we're trying to figure out. I certainly don't. When we were at AmFest, that was your whole foundation is like, Tell the truth. That is really all I care about. In my own personal life, before I was ever in politics or ever interested into politics, was just like, I just want to know the truth. I want to know the truth about myself. I want to know the truth about someone else, about what's really going on. That is one of the foundational most important things to me is knowing the truth. You said you were spiritual. Yeah, much more spiritual.

What does that mean?

Just that I don't just think there's a guy sitting on a throne in the sky thing, and I don't look at all the words in the Bible or anything and think it's verbatim the way it's written. I even remember a long, long time ago being curious why at Lent, you'd skip meat on Fridays during Lent. I was like, But why? Then what I feel like I found out, and I could be wrong, but is that it was a luxury back in those days. You abstained from a luxury as a sacrifice. I'm like, Well, that makes sense. I'll pick something that's a luxury. But knowing the truth about why we're doing that is what... These are the questions that I ask. I guess I'm a skeptical person.

You should be. But you think there is truth?

Yeah. I mean, I get a little bit into the more esoteric side of truth, and I wonder about the nature of objective truth. I think there could be, obviously, a collective agreed-upon truth based on our reality that we live in, but do we really even know what our reality is? Are we our own little mini universes experiencing things through our own lens? If that's the case, then I wonder how true objective truths really are because we all have our own based on our lens.

Does it seem like recently there have been cracks in that reality?

Yeah, doesn't it?

It makes you wonder if it's not a bit of a movie set.

Doesn't it? I mean, it seems like so far fetched to imagine that there is some some singular puppet orchestrating everything on the planet in a nefarious way? Because it seems like we'd figure it out. How do we not figure it out? How could that be hidden? How could that stay hidden? But as time goes on and we keep learning more things, it's just a lot of scary things that go on in the world and that we don't know about. Does that make you curious, too? Who's really It's the basis of my whole life.

Exactly.

But you've been onto it for way longer.

Well, I don't understand any of it, of course. I don't understand any of it. My only gift is the ability to notice obvious things and perceive lying. I'm good at that. I'm not good at dot connecting. I don't know what it means, but I know when you're lying.

Do you just realize that you're probably just intuitive and psychic then?

No, I think it's very... Look, I think your instincts are the guide in life.

Yeah, but what is that?

Well, I think it's divinement inspired. That's my first view.Yeah.

100%, same. Can't prove it.

I think that your instincts are the one thing that don't lie to you. They're not trying to sell you anything. Get you to vote for them. They act only on your behalf, and they tell the truth. The question is, can you interpret them correctly? I get strong feelings from people or from situations. I don't always know what those feelings amount to, but I know there's something there. But the most obvious one is deception. I don't know what you're lying about. I don't know why you're doing it, but I know it's happening for sure. I think we all have that. I have no unique gift. I just am dumb to follow my instincts. I'm like, I don't-Brave enough. I don't know or demented enough, but January sixth, I'm not exactly sure what happened. The story they told us is not true. That's a fact.

Do you know what I mean? Exactly. I've always found that when things don't make sense, we're just missing some of the truth. You're like, Wait, but this and that, you're just missing some of the truth. Then you got to go figure it out.

I'd be interested to know, do you take the UFO story seriously? What do you make of it?

Well, there's way too many of them for it to not be true, right? Yes, I think that's right. Just way too many stories. I just think that it's insanely arrogant of us to think that we're the only game in town. We're aliens, too, to somebody else. We're looking for them, but we're also looking for us. We have this very narrow window of chemicals in our sky and what we breathe and how we live. What if it's something different somewhere else? They adapted and evolved in a in a different way, and they're not like us. We're looking for us. I know we're made up of the most common ingredients in the universe, but very little slight changes, and it changes our entire reality here. We wouldn't be here.

It's not shocking to you at all that there's something else that we can't see?

No, exactly. I think what's confusing now when it comes to the UFO stuff is whether or not we're seeing UFOs or we're seeing a reverse of our own doing, trying to figure things out.

What does that mean, a reverse engineering?

From crash landings and different technology that they've discovered over the years. Like, Area 51. Yes. Why is the... It's humongous. It's a gigantic area. You can't get anywhere close. Why do they have that? It doesn't make sense, right?

For your safety.

From the aliens? No. I was so ready to storm Area 51 back in the Really? I mean, I wouldn't have done it, but I live in Arizona, so I'm like, power.

But just remember that whenever they lie to you or hide the truth from you, it's for your safety. It's totally fine.

Okay. Thank you.

Does it feel like the level of secrecy and deception is rising?

I don't know about that. I would say maybe the level of secrecy and deception is just being exposed. I suppose.Yes.That feels more true.So maybe it's declining. I think that the veil is thinning between who is controlling that and how they're staying, how they're keeping it under wraps.

Does it worry you that- Maybe we're all getting better at being psychic and sensitive to the intuition. No, I think that's right. Do you find in your own life, and I think you probably... Well, you told me, maybe I shouldn't say this on air, but you spent last summer in Indiana and Europe, which seems like such a great combination because you see all sides or a number of sides of the human experience. You're not only in Aspen.

That's right. You can't stay in Aspen that long.

It's too expensive. No, it's too expensive and it's totally distorting of your world.

When you walk by Gucci and Valentino on your way to the lift, you're like...

Yeah, it's not good to spend all your time in Aspen. But you do spend time around well-educated, secular, rich people. Do you find more people mentioning God or the possibility of God or spiritual things than you used to?

I think I've experienced people being more open to spirituality, and I think that it's all the same. I actually think it's more semantics. I think it's just the way that you feel comfortable speaking about it. But I don't think that when you say God or when I say source, I'd say God, I pray to God every night. I don't think that we're all talking about so much the same thing because we don't even know what that exact thing is. We're just using what we've grown up using as language, what feels comfortable to us, what's familiar. But I generally think that it's all the same. I do hear about it more.

I guess I hear about it more. Phrased another way, the country that I grew up in, probably similar to the one you grew up in, was a materialist country where the assumption was is everything real can be perceived by the five senses and measured and tallied. That's reality, and everything outside of that is a conspiracy theory and a sign of mental illness. There is nothing that a scientist can't reduce to an atom in a lab. I just feel like that view is going away. It is.

Well, with the quantum reality, with quantum physics and spooky things happening at a distance, as it was described, quantum entanglement is that I can't quite wrap my head around. I don't even know what that is. I've never heard of it. When electrons have met, when they part in the universe, they have equal and opposite reaction no matter how far apart they are. They're entangled and they have instantaneous reactions no matter how far apart they are. It really starts to make you wonder how this reality folds on top of itself to be entangled. It's the same thing when you're thinking about something somebody and then they call you, or maybe you think you want to draw something into your life and you think about it and you like, you forget, and then all of a sudden, boom, there it is.

In other words, there are connections between People are things that cannot be measured using the conventional measurements of science.

Correct.

That is such a consistent feature of the human experience. Everyone knows what you're talking about. The idea that you could have a society that denied that is, by definition, a foolish society, isn't it?

Yeah. I think you're right about people getting more sensitive to just the lies and the things going on. I think that we are living in a world where we don't know what to trust anymore. We used to think you could watch a documentary and you were like, Oh, my God, that's true. Now you got to look at who paid for it. The news, as you well know, what's true, what's not. You got in trouble for telling the truth. You don't know what you can trust. I think we're entering this age where we have to learn how to trust our intuition, and we have to have critical thinking for ourselves. We can't just be told. We need to stop with this read and repeat lifestyle, and we have to have critical thinking.

But at the same time, and of course, I vehemently agree with you, but the people in charge, the US government even, is more demanding that people just read the script. Why do you think that is?

Because then they're in power. It's much easier if you control the for everything. It was like schoolbooks. I question school and the efficacy of what's in the schoolbooks. The winners write the stories and also the propaganda of the whole operation of it. I don't know. I question school even.

I don't think you're allowed to do that.

Yeah, I know, but I'm not smart sometimes. I just say this.

When did you leave school?

Sixteen. I was 16, and I moved to England when I was 16.

It's a race. You never graduated American high school?

I got my GED.

Does that feel, looking back, like an advantage or a disadvantage?

Oh, huge advantage. Like goodbye debt. For either me or my parents, my parents would have been able to afford it. They put my sister through seven years of school. I would have had that luxury in my life. But I'm not sure unless you're going to be a a lawyer, the hardest question to answer is what you want to do with your life. That's actually the hardest question. Yes, it is. Once you know, you can get on with it. Having experience and getting your hands dirty in it, there's nothing better than that. There's nothing better than the real experience than instead of going to school and flipping pages and partying on the weekends, weekdays.

Weekdays, yeah. Getting completely lost. You're getting lost. You never went through that, obviously.

I never went through I mean, I describe going to England when I was 16 as my college, and I sure partied and had fun, but I didn't go to school classically.

Wow. You see that as a huge advantage.

I agree with you. I definitely don't see it as a disadvantage. I definitely don't. I will say there's some things, and maybe this is where politics scares me a little. There's some general things about life and history that I'm not very good about, not knowing when wars happened and all these details that I just didn't learn, nor was I that interested in, but I wasn't in school to absorb all of it. There's some things like that that I don't know off the top of my head, but I got other life experiences, and I applied myself in all the other areas that I was really interested in. I think that's the spark of life, to do things that you really love and to follow things and learn with what you want to learn about. I feel like one of the things that One thing that I have thankfully learned in my life after racing was that the things that are meant for you will give you energy, no matter how many hours it takes. As an example, I would go to the racetrack and I'd have to do an autograph session for an hour at anywhere you could imagine.

It would be the most draining thing for me. Just so like, Hi, how are you? Great. Thanks. I have a nice day. Oh, hello. How are you, kid? For an hour, It's just, Hello, goodbye. Hello, goodbye. It's small talk, and it's less than small talk. Then I remember one day in particular, I think I might have done two or three podcasts, and they were each an hour, hour and a half long in a day. I got done, and you'd think I'd be so exhausted because it's far harder to be the interviewer than the interviewee, even though I'm doing the talking because you're thinking. I spent all day critically thinking and paying attention, and where do I want to take this interview? But I got done with my day, and I felt like I was high. I I was so energized that I was like, I needed to do something with the energy. I walked on the beach and I was like, Oh, my God. I'm just like, This is the most amazing day. But I spent six or seven hours in the chair being really focused. But what I learned was that when you're doing things that are really meant for you and that feed your soul, it gives you energy.

That is the truest thing. How did you, and the key, as you said, is to figure out as young as you possibly can what the path is that you're designed for. Not that you're forcing yourself into, but that you were actually made to do. How did you figure that out so young?

Well, I got to try a lot of things. But I will say that while racing is what I did and I loved it, it wasn't always my passion. I don't go back to it now. I do some race broadcasting and things like that, and I'll watch some races, but I don't go to the racetrack on the weekends. I don't go try and find a car to jump in to drive. I mean, I have my Lamborghini. I'll just drive that.

Yeah, your 200-mile-an-hour SUV. Exactly.

But I have other interests and other passions. For me, I feel like now I'm finally getting to tap into those things where I'm really passionate about. I'm one of them's truth, which is where I feel like I really relate to on that.

How alienating is that to people around you? That I see- Well, it's upsetting to people when you say things like, A lot of what we've learned is not true, and history is effectively propaganda. It's a version of the story, but it's not the whole story. Things like that, which I think are self-evidently true, but that is not well received sometimes.

Well, I think you have to know your audience a little bit. Know your audience here and there. Know your moments to hit it. But I have a lot of like-minded people around me, but I'm totally fine if they're not. I love learning. If I change my mind, it I learned something. I also like spending time with people and listening to people talk about something that's a totally different perspective. But I'd say in general, most of the people around me are of a like mind. They're also skeptical.

Have you been attacked? You said you were attacked online.

Yeah. Well, I was super surprised by how it went when I went to the Turning Point event and when I talked about loving my country and posting these pictures. I went with my sister, and it was just a fun for two days. I was just really surprised that people could be so angry about... I didn't even make a stance. I think everybody thinks it's basically a Trump rally.

What is it about Trump that I understand what it is about Trump that people don't like, obviously. I get it. I know Trump, and I like Trump. He's hilarious and interesting. But I certainly understand why people don't like him for sure. It's very obvious. But what I don't understand is the hysteria and the brain shutting down and doing the opposite just for the sake of giving the finger to Trump. I don't get that. So triggered. What is that?

People are very triggered. Why? What is it about? Well, I think there are foundational things to our life, politics, religion. These are foundational to our reality and what we've built our life on. When you pull one of those out from the foundation, this is my opinion, but I think that what happens is there's an implied It's a subconscious understanding that when you pull out one of those building blocks, that it's going to be a snowball effect for the rest of your life. If you pull out one of those foundational elements, what else isn't true? No, it's true. What else about your life isn't going to work anymore? That is a global life change to pull something foundational out.

I didn't expect you to be the smartest professional athlete. I didn't. Sorry, I didn't. That's a very wise point. I saw this with the Vax. The people I knew who really thought about it or had strong feelings about the Vax, especially the ones who didn't want to take it, wound up in places they never expected to be. Their views on a lot of other things changed. I saw a lot of people whose politics completely changed just on that one issue. Yeah, very much. Did you notice that?

Yeah. I mean, it was just a very divisive It just got so insanely divisive. I think also made things more confusing in a way that you'd think these people do these things and these people do those things. It was like it went from being the group that was my body, my choice, were the ones that were like, you got to do it. It really actually made the corruption or the propaganda or the manipulation that was going on to be It become more obvious because things started to get very messy, right? Did you feel-Immediate. Yeah, you're like, But this doesn't make sense.

All of a sudden, I was having conversations with people who were lifelong liberals or a lot of black people who never voted a Republican in their lives, big Obama supporters. All of a sudden, I just realized, Wait, we have a lot in common, actually. Then on the other side, people I'd been really close to and loved and still love, but they were absolutely on the other side of it. It was interesting. It was a realignment that was not along party lines at all.

Right, exactly. Yeah, at all. I think it really showed how persuasive media propaganda and isolation can be. One of the things that can drive, I think they've done back in the '50s and '60s, we're testing out things like a sensory deprivation when you are put in a space with no sound, no visuals, no nothing. That will drive people insane. Now you do it on some level and you put people in a house, they can't see anyone, they can't do it, and you're going to drive them insane.

What did How did you spend COVID?

I had a very interesting start to COVID. I was in Peru.

Yeah, I think a lot of people started COVID in Peru.

I was doing ayahuasca in Peru.

For For real? Yeah. What was that like?

Which part?

Doing ayahuasca. Where in Peru?

A sacred valley. Yeah, in a lodge.

Was it worth doing? Of course.

Because I love the truth. Yeah. So it showed me a lot about the truth about things that I needed to know.How long did it last?How.

Long did it last?

Well, the experience lasts, I don't know, eight hours maybe.

Did you go with someone you trust?

I went with I went with Aaron and another couple, and then there were Shaman's.

Wow.

We got woke up in the middle of the night to the pilot saying, You got to go home because they're closing the border by 10:00 AM.

Were you still on ayahuasca when they did that? No way. You're getting into a light plane with Aaron Rodgers on ayahuasca and being evacuated from the Sacred Valley.

With the Shaman.

If you were to rank your life by weirdness, that would be near the top, Oh, man, I'm losing credibility here.

Or gaining it. I don't know. It's just the truth. Then it was in Malibu.

Wait, what was the plane ride like?

Well, we did what's called integration on the plane. What does that mean? Where you talk about your experience.On.

The plane?Yeah. Not a huge plane, I imagine.

I mean, it's big enough for 8 or 10, 12 people, whatever. It's a big enough plane. Then, yeah, flew back to Malibu, spent for the first couple of months in Malibu and then Indiana.

What did you learn from ayahuasca?

Well, that I'm a very relationship person. I love relationship, and so I have this idea that someone's going to complete me. I realized that I was going to have to do it with myself.

Yes.

That was the only way.

That no human being can feel that. Yeah. That's profound and true.

Yeah, but it was felt. The difference is in those experiences, you feel it. You don't just know it, you feel it. You go from an awareness to an embodiment. Where embodied is like you just... Embodies when something happens and you say... And it just is. It's an is-ness. You're like, That's just the truth. That's the way it is. As opposed to, Well, I think they're doing this. They're lying to us. When you feel the lie and you've experienced it, it's just this is the problem.It.

Changes your behavior.Yeah..

You get a really felt experience.

Yes, I've had that.

Which is, I think, what makes it super powerful.

Very. Those are the ones that change your life.

Exactly, yeah. I think there's a lot of judgment and curiosity around this stuff. But again, I think this is one of those areas where the world is branching out a little bit and thinking outside of the box of where we've been and the way we do things. I think it's a really powerful tool.

Did it change your relationships? Once you realize that no other human being can complete you, as you said, that's got implications for how you relate to other people, right?

Yeah. I think that one of the big things that's happened that is like a I've been off of it is I just take less things personally, and I get a little less triggered. I understand that everybody is the way they are because of how they're brought up, their experiences. They're seeing life through their own lens and to not feel like if somebody gets angry or does something to me, that it's about me. You get a little out of that selfish position of it's about me all the time. It's not always about me. Everybody has things that they're going through and ways that they've been brought up and orientations and their own triggers and sometimes just nothing to do with me.

There's a line that I can't exactly recall, but it's to the effect, If you knew what was happening, really happening with other people, you would judge them less. Yeah, exactly.

I feel like it gave me a little bit more patience and empathy for situations. Also, one of the most important things is accountability. Accountable for my own reality, Perception, I believe, is reality. The way that, again, this lens we look through, you can either look at going bungee jumping as being the scariest thing on the planet or so exciting. However your perception on things. If I'm looking at a situation and it doesn't feel right, doesn't look right, it's like I just literally ask myself, what is my part? What is my part in this perception that I have? Is it because I'm scared? Is it because I'm insecure? Is it because what is the thing that's driving my behavior? It gave me a lot of accountability, too.

Was there any downside?

Yeah, getting sick during it. You get pretty sick, yeah. I mean, you can. One night I did, one night I didn't.

Wow, you've had quite a journey. Yeah. What are you going to do with the rest of your life? Do you have a clear picture of it?

No, I don't. I have ideas and dreams, and I have companies, and I have things that I do, and I I have visions for all of them. But my life changes in ways that I could never expect every couple of years. I'm sure that will continue to be the case. I'm curious what you think about this, but I think part of that is because I choose to want to know the truth. When you do that, it implies that sometimes things change. Whether it's relationships or job or where you live or your friends, sometimes things change. To be okay with that. I still choose truth and I choose myself over that every time.

I haven't heard you mention money or allude to it a single time or commercial enterprises or whatever. So clearly your main goal is not to amass as much as you can.

No. In fact, I'd like to spend it.

You'd like to spend You spend it.

Yeah. I don't want to die with a whole bunch of money. Why wouldn't I spend it? I'd like to spend it.

What would you spend it on?

Well, right now I spend it on travel, having good people around me. I like to pay the people around me. I like them to be happy. I spend it on building businesses because I enjoy and have passion for what it is that I'm selling. I have wines. I have a couple of wines that I make. I have a little candle company. Those are what I put my money into. Why do you have a candle company? I went to Egypt and learned a lot about aromatherapy and then decided to make some candles out of it.Do.

You enjoy it?

Yeah, that's fun. The wine is really great. It's such a passion of mine. I love wine. Then I do speaking engagements and race broadcast hosting stuff, and I take a lot of vacations. I've always felt like, and this is from a young age, that if I do a good job at something, the money will just show up. If people believe in it, they like it, that the money will just be there. Money has never been a motivating factor for me. It is merely a barometer. That's how I see it. I want to make money because it means that people like what I'm doing and they like me, but not because I want the money, but because it's an indication. It's an indication of the value of what I'm offering or what it inspires people. With racing, I'm sure I offered value for my sponsors, but also the attention from fans that was then used to sell things by sponsors was because I inspiring them. They were paying attention to what I was doing and wanted to see more. I see money as being a byproduct of doing a good job.

Last question, I'm sure you've thought about this, but you said that your main goal in life going forward is to tell the truth, to find the truth, and then to say it out loud.

I feel like I have. Have I not told you the truth? Yeah, you have.

No, and I'm getting a truthful vibe.

I'm like, Dang, Danika, what did you just say?

No, I don't think any of it-Don't hit me too hard here. No, No, not at all. I don't think any of it objectively is offensive at all. The truth is never offensive, but it does offend because it's true.

Because it makes people uncomfortable because they would never do it. There's a quick little hack that I learned a long time ago. What we judge is what we deny. If you judge something in someone, it's probably because you deny yourself that. For me, I always use the example of laziness. I always judge lazy people because I would deny myself rest every day. It triggers people, and Usually, they deny themselves the things that they're judging. Smart.

But the truth is just inherently divisive. I guess that's what I'm saying. You think it unites, but it doesn't. It breaks in half, which is sad, but it's the nature of the world, of the spiritual world. Are you ready for that? There will be consequences. I'm not even talking about politics. I just mean the truth about anything will cause people to hate you.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm totally ready. You're not bothered by that. I think I've spent... The guy had a good grooming session by being a girl race car driver for so long and people being triggered by that and chauvinism or just people that weren't open-minded to it and didn't like that idea. I feel like I've been practicing to be strong like that my whole life. You're so right. When you tell the truth, you just really don't get bothered. It just is what it is. It's business, right? It's just...

Well, it makes you strong inside.

Yeah, exactly. It makes you strong inside. What you said at AmFest was just so powerful and a message that we all need to hear. We're not always all going to agree on things. But when you live in your own truth, you can be less triggered, you can be more calm and peaceful, you can be happier, and you can be stronger and more solid inside of yourself, which is, I think, just we always want to figure out how to be happier, right? Yes. When we're choosing a president, it's so that we can live in a world that makes us happier, right? When we're choosing a partner, we're choosing someone that would hopefully make us happier. So the happiest thing you can do is just to be honest, right?

All the time. Yeah. Danika Patrick. Thank you. Thank you, Tucker. That was not what I expected. I appreciate it. Thanks for listening to Tucker Carlson show. If you enjoyed it, you can go to tuckercarlson. Com to see everything that we have made, the complete library, tuckercarlson. Com.