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Out of five, anybody could win.

Yeah, exactly. Thank you.

But he played three out of five, of five, the better player is going to win. Of course. Patrick Bet-David, May 22nd.

Oh, my gosh. He just said it's May 22nd. I don't know when this is going to air. So who's going to win the Who's going to win the presidential race and why?

Who's going to win the presidential race and why? I think right now, if it ended today, right? If it ended today, and you looked at the states, Wisconsin, Biden has. You can go through the others. Trump has a big lead, I believe, in Arizona and another state by 11 points, 50 to 39. He's got a 3 to an 11 point lead on the six states that matter. They're not even looking at North Carolina right now. They're like, No, it's going to be his. It's red. We don't even want to report it as a battleground. No, not even reporting it. So if it ends today, it's him that's going to win it. However, it's not ending today. The amount of gamification that could happen between now and November fifth, it's endless. Gamification? Gamification, manipulation, you call it. There's a lot of things you can do. So for me, there's a part of me where on the left side of my shoulder, it's a guy that says, This future looks bright. It's going to be great. We're going to take over. It's going to be awesome. America is going to be the greatest country in the world, and everything's going to be okay, right?

Then there's another guy on this side that's super paranoid. But what if?

Why would they be paranoid? It's not like they're going to unleash a lab-grown virus on the world.

They would never do that. They're noble.

Race riots and burn down your cities. I don't think they wouldn't go that far.

Why would they do such a thing? They're Unifiers. They're not trying to divide. You know that, Tucker. You're being a little bit too speculative here.

I get cynical. I think what you're saying is if it plays out as elections are supposed to play out on the basis of what the population wants, then Trump has a big advantage. But you are open to the possibility that there will be some manipulation of the country.

Oh, there's no question. Only the paranoid survive. There's never been a time where we need to be paranoid about what could happen the next few months. Never. All of a sudden, you show up saying, You want to debate June 27th? I debated them two times, and I beat him two times. You want it? Come on, tough guy. June 27th. And you read the details. Mike It's going to go off the moment time's up. Two, zero audience. Why are we doing zero audience? Well, we're just going back to the way it was with Nixon and Kennedy. And then the next day, 50 articles come out. We're becoming traditional on how this whole thing debate on TV started with Nixon and Kennedy with no audience. That's the right way to do it so the audience can decide for themselves who the better debater is. But listen, the last time we did without an audience was in 1960, whatever the timeline was with those two, we've always had an the audience. The audience, Oh, you guys got to keep it down. But they know what's going to happen, where he's going to have his moments where he says, Because you'd be in jail, and they're worried about those things.

However, here's what's going to happen. I think as much as they try to protect him, as much as they try to protect them to see what's going to happen with that. What percentage of people do you think that consume the debate are the type that consume highlight reels like a game? I don't watch full games, but I'll watch a highlight reel. I'll watch SportsCenter. I'll watch some of the clips on Twitter to see, Oh, look at this. Oh, wow. Good for these guys. They won. What percentage you think of voters are going to watch the entire thing on TV, on CNN, versus what percentage you think are going to get the highlight reels on Instagram and Twitter. What do you think?

I think it's overwhelming the percentage who will watch portions of it rather than the whole thing.

You think it's 80/20? At least. Okay, so who cares? So part of me is like, Okay, go ahead. Do what you want to do with this, Because the clips on this side that they're going to cut it, edit it, put it out there, the audience is going to go at it. You're going to see the polls, you're going to see the reactions, you're going to see who's going to be better editors. Nowadays, the better editing team creating better clips in a fast manner with the right music, with the right creative B-roll and things you add to it. Trump's camp is a better marketer. They've always been better marketers. The other side has no clue how to do marketing.

But maybe the bar is lower for Biden. I mean, you I see these clips of him daily, drooling and mangling names and identifying his sister as his wife, and he's just so out of it. And then they juice him up on something to the point where, as at the State of Union, he seems non-sinal. So maybe if he pulls that off, why doesn't Trump just say, What drugs are you on? Why don't you just close that?

Maybe he will. Maybe he'll ask it. Saying the things about calling his sister's wife, that's his personal business. It's not your business, Tucker. I don't know why you're getting that.How he arranges his personal business.Yeah, why I don't know if you've ever been to West Virginia. People live in different ways. There's different standards we have, and I don't think we should judge that.

Totally, totally fair. And by the way, compared to the trans stuff, that's not that weird. So how do you rate the peril to Trump personally, physical peril?

Oh, you mean the two of them going up against each other? No, no, no.

Two Trump now. So Trump's way ahead, actually, farther ahead than a candidate typically is in May of an election year. And we know that that's the red line. It can't have Trump. I've asked him this directly. He didn't get an answer, but do you worry that he could be harmed between now and then?

Well, I mean, Saki briefly said the risk that he stands in a most indirect way.

And...

Jenn Pasaki? Yes. And I don't know if you've seen the movie Civil War that just came out, if you've seen the movie Civil War, it's a commercial for Reuters of left-wing journalist depicting the president of the time during the Civil War of an identical character played as Donald Trump. The hero of the movie, to my knowledge, the way I saw the movie was the person that assassinates the President last minute. In a last minute in the movie, the President, playing the role of Trump, gets assassinated in the movie. How many people does that movie need to inspire for somebody to become a hero?

I haven't seen it, but the assassin, the Lee Harvey Oswald?

Is the hero at the end.

Probably not actually assassin, but whatever. He's the hero? The guy who murders the President is the hero.

In the movie, the way they sell it is that the President playing the character of Trump is an evil man.

Who made this movie?

It's very different than the other movie that was made, Leave the World Behind, by Obama's and Julia Roberts. This actually had a decent cast for the movie. It's a very hard movie to watch. Leave the World Behind was actually a better-produced movie. More dark, more deceptive, extremely divisive, a lot of messaging in there, predictive programming, stuff that you can watch and say, this can actually happen one day. But yeah, look, a lot of... I don't know if you've seen the movie John Q. First time I watched John Q, Denzel Washington. Do you know the story about John Q? No. Okay, so it's a story about a father whose son is a fan of flex wheel. He wants to be a bodybuilder, and all of a sudden, heart collapses, and I think it's in the middle of a baseball game. They take him to the hospital. It's It costs $250,000 to do surgery, and the company doesn't offer allowing him to get the insurance because he doesn't have the best insurance, and he's trying to go raise the money. He can't raise the money. It's pointing a picture of a father about to lose a son because the hospital is not willing to spend $250,000 to save this kid's life.

You are going through this emotional roller coaster ride with the father. How many fathers are going to sit there and say, Holy shit, what is this all about? Then eventually, there's a scene where he tells Kevin Connolly, the actor from Entourage, and he says, Listen, guys, just take it out of my heart and give it to him. It's this unique scene. He's like, I'm not going to do that. If you're not going to do it, I'm going to kill myself. You're going to take it out of my heart and you're going to give it to my son. Intense, intense movie. Then while they're there, he's talking to his son. Son is laying on the bed at the hospital and he says, Look, here's what I want you to think about. He says, My son buries me. I don't bury my son. That's right. It's exactly right. My son buries me. That's how it needs to be. So you're like, Yeah. And as a father, you're feeling it. Well, that was right before Obamacare. How many people did that movie influence to say, You know what? We do need affordable care. So movies have a lot of power.

I mean, if you go back in the days, do you know who produced the first Titanic, the movie?

No.

It's a guy named Adolf Hitler. You know who the hero was in the movie, the first Titanic? The iceberg? The hero in the movie is the Nazi soldier. If you go and pull up first Titanic, produced by Germany, Adolf Hitler, the hero is painted as the Nazi soldier. The way you confuse propaganda, storytelling is movies, docs, music. You know this. I mean, this is how you get the audience and the younger audience to buy in. So you mean to tell me the movie Civil War cannot inspire one kid to want to be a hero and being written about for the rest of his life in history books? You mean to tell me one kid's not going to be inspired by? I worry about some of this predictive programming they're putting because they're going to say, Well, you can't just say it was a movie that did it. It doesn't take a lot of stuff to get a young kid to be inspired to do something. So that's my part that's a little bit worrisome about what could happen in the future. But yeah, I think they're willing to do everything and anything, everything and anything, to not get them in the White House because they worry.

If they do, they're going to lose their membership. I don't know if you saw what James Comey He got emotional. If he gets in there, he's going to completely change everything with our justice system. He's going to do everything with FBI, and he's going to put some bad people in there. I'm telling you guys, this is the week. You cannot vote for Trump. You have to support... I've never seen Komi be this animated about Biden being a President. This just happened yesterday. So there's a lot of people that are worried about losing their card.

You got to wonder, as you listen to Komi talk or Brennan or all these former agency heads of the Most Powerful powerful agencies in the world. These guys still have security clearances? Of course they do. For sure. They use them for their jobs. That's a privilege, not a right. And those should be revoked immediately by Donald Trump, day fucking one. Why do those guys still have Security clearances. I mean, if you believe in democracy, if you think that the people who live in the country own the country, it's their government, and they have a say in how it's run, and that that government should reflect their priorities over time, and I think we all claim to believe that, then you can't have unelected agency heads or retired unelected agency heads running everything behind the scenes. That is just absolutely antithetical to democracy. So why do these guys continue to be allowed legally to run the government from Outside the government.

Right.

But that's not hard, is it?

No, it's not. But everybody is ambitious in their own way, some more, some less. But if you look at the profile of the top ambitious people that they go on different routes. Okay, one is going to be Fame. I want to be a celebrity. I want people to stop me and say, Can I take a picture with you, Tucker? I want to do a selfie. Wow, I'm famous. Did you see this? That's ambitious. I'm going to be famous one day, right? Okay, great. Then the other one is ambitious. We're going to be millionaires. We're going to be billionaires. We're going to have all the money in the world. Okay, great. So one is Fame. The other one is money. The other one is power to tell you what to do. The money, guys, it's a number. You can measure it. You can see how this guy is winning because his networth is $200 billion. His name is Elon Musk. This guy's number 2 at $180 billion. This guy's number 3, $365 billion. Zuck. There's a leader's bulletin for it. Fame, Kim Kardashian's got 400 million followers on Instagram. This person's got 500 million. Ronaldo's got 600 million.

You can measure Fame, right? How do you measure politics? How do you measure? What's the resume on measuring success in politics? And somebody working for the federal government, working for an FBI or CIA and an I know you're not very familiar with this organization called CIA, but it's a rough organization. It's a very interesting organization. You should look into them. Some interesting people have gone through there. But so what do they want? What are they driven by? What do they want to do? Is their ambition what? Is it money? No. Is it Fame? No. Fame is actually straight up, okay, cool. You want to be famous? Go do XYZ. You want to make money? Go do XYZ. But the power people, you got to be very careful with them. A lot of times, the way-So how do you measure power? So the way you see, and It's easy in the business world. Say a guy, I had Michael Francis on years ago when he and I started doing podcasts. Did a couple of interviews with him. Good guy. In the mob world, right? Yeah, he's a good guy. Yeah. I want to know what the...

So he took me. We went to New York because I was going to interview his father, Sunny Francis. And Sunny is a guy that comes from the era of Lucky Luciano, Meyer Lansky, Frank Castello, Ben Siegel. He comes from that era.

One of the most favorite-I love that you call him Ben Siegel.

You can't say Bugsy. You got to say Ben. That's so good. Let me tell you how I met him.

I met the guy who murdered him, and he kept in his era when I was a kid. No shit. Yeah, killed him. He was 1947. He was a friend of my dad's. We would go have dinner at his house. Yeah, he murdered Bugsy Siegel. Yeah, shot him in the face with a 30 caliber. Wow.

Big round. What was it like when he talked to him?Hit in the face.

He never married, never had kids. He was a cat guy. He collected straight cats. My father loved animals and was good friends with Eddie Kenner's Arrow. My brother and I, we take us over for dinner, made Cantaloni. He lived with his parents. It was all very weird. Anyway, but he killed Bugsy Siegel. But I remember hearing the conversation, Don't call him Bugsy.

He wasn't doing it. Here's the thing. We go out and I'm like, I'm trying to convince Sonny, let me interview you. He says, For 55 years, I've never... I went to jail for 55 years. The only thing I can take to my grave is I never snatched on anybody. This is not a lie. This guy did 55 years in jail out of 103 years of living. Never said anything to nobody. I get him in the car, taking him to his favorite Italian restaurant. We pick him up from the old folks home, and I'm driving. So, Sonny, what can you tell me about Meyer Lansky? Great guy. I heard he made a lot of money in many different In the same ways. Phenomenal guy. What we can say about Bugsy Siegel, don't say that. You can't say that. You call him Ben. What can you tell me about Ben? Very good guy. Really? How about Frank Castello? Fantastic guy. How about everybody's a good guy like Sonny? Come on, Sonny. I mean, no, these are stand-up guys. I don't know what you're talking about, stand-up guys. Sunny eventually doesn't agree to do the interview. That interview never happens.

Okay? But Sunny told his son, he said, Be very careful of the people that are lower power people in the mob family, because one day, they could be a boss. And when they do become a boss, they're going to remember every way you disrespect them. They're going to seek their vengeance on you in their own way. So be very careful to the lower-level people that are coming up. One day, they could be your boss. All right. You're running a company, you see a guy that's been with you for five years. He's doing a good job. He's at work. He does 60 hours a week. Stand-up guy, effort, attitude, teamwork, innovation, results, competency, specialized skills. He's got all that stuff. Then all of a sudden, he goes from being a performer. Maybe he's got one or two people reporting to him. You make him a VP, and now he's got 35 people under his division. Then all of a sudden, you see him become a tyrant and a dictator. Wait a minute. Did it just happen overnight? Or was that always in there, but you were hiding it, and boom, now that you have the power, now you're abusing it, right?

A lot of these people in the political side, deep down inside, someone offended them, a mom, a dad, a cousin, an ex, a friend, a professor, a teacher, somebody. And their way of seeking vengeance is to have control over other people. Lincoln said, You want to find out, test someone's character, give them power. These guys not have power, and they're showing what they're all about. And they fear somebody coming in that's a non-establishment guy coming in. They could lose that and be exposed. They are not willing to give that up. They're not willing to give that up. It's going to take everything they can to take that privilege away from them. And that's not going to be an easy thing for Trump to do.

You may have come to the obvious conclusion that the real debate is not between Republican and Democrat or socialist and capitalist, right, left. The real battle is between people who are lying on purpose and people who are trying to tell you the truth. It's between good and evil. It's between honesty and falsehood. And we hope we are on the former side. That's why we created this network, the Tucker Carlson Network. And we invite you to subscribe to it. You go to tuckercarlson. Com/podcast. Our entire archive is there. A lot of behind-the-scenes footage of what actually happens in this barn when only an iPhone is running. Tuckercarlson. Com/ podcast. You will not regret it. I guess the difficulty for the power worshiping community is that they already did this in 2020, and now that tempers have cooled and people can think Clearly, they stole the election. Nobody actually thinks that was a free and fair election. It wasn't. And so the bar is a lot higher. How do you do that again? And if you do it again, everyone's going to know you did it again. And then what country do you have in January of 2025?

Steady trends. A great stock broker is somebody that looks at trends, seasons, months, days, announcements, quarterly calls, industry, market, election. You have to look at everything on a board to say, according to this, an X, Y, Z, and what's going on right now, this should happen next in the next quarter. Go to the history books and look at, Well, when we raised the interest rate this many times, here's what happened next. When we were going through inflation, you look at all the case studies. When COVID first happened, Jennifer and I are in Beverly Hills. We're about to have a board meeting. And then last meeting, everybody that's supposed to fly and cancel is about. I'm like, What the hell is going on? We brought the kids. We're about to go to Universal. That's the day Rudy Gober gave Donovan Mitchell from the Utah Jazz, COVID, and NHL shuts down, MBA shuts down. That's the day. Disney shuts down. We're going to say, What the hell is going on? We got to fly back. We fly back to Dallas. I take the family to the house. I come back to the office, and I'm studying all the different of the pandemics that we've had.

You'll see, out of all the pandemics we've had, how the market has reacted. 90% of the top 10 pandemics we've had, massive market drop off. But every one of them, six months later, it came back to exactly what it used to be, if not higher. There's only one that didn't recover for 12 months, and that's AIDS. Everything else, six-month recovery. I could sit there and say, Well, this could be fear porn. Market's going to go down to 18,000, 17,000 DAO, whatever could It's going to happen, but it's fear. It's going to come back up six months later. That's exactly what happened. Boom, boom, came back up. Trends, things to study, patterns on what's going on with today. If we go to 2016 election, the mistake mainstream media made was what? Cnn kept inviting Trump. He said, Yes. They kept inviting him. Yes. Msnbc, yes. We're getting all these crazy ratings. We're killing at MSNBC. No, he's bringing you ratings. Then all of a sudden, they're like, Guys, we He created a monster. It's too late. We've done a half a billion dollars of free media advertisement for this guy. Oh, yeah. And he didn't even need to spend the money on it.

Holy shit. He just won. Are you kidding me? This didn't work. The defamation, all this stuff. Damn, guys, this is not going to work in 2020. So go to 2020. What did they do in 2020? We got to find a different playbook. 2016, they used Me Too, backfired on them when Trump brought the candidates showing in all this other stuff. And he's like, Well, let me tell you who we have here. Paula Dissenert, you see Clinton looking like this, that famous picture. Oh, I was there for that.So 2020.Old.

Bill Clinton's Girlfriend.

Pretty impressive.It was amazing. Yeah. 2020, May 25th. You need chaos. May 25th, what happens? George Floyd gets assassinated. George Floyd dies. Now, he gets assassinated. The word they wanted to use was obviously a bigger thing, but George Floyd, the number of minutes that it took place, me, all that stuff. Next day, riots, protesting, insanity. What do Republicans start saying? Look, man, I like him, but I don't know why. Maybe they're right. The more he's in there, the more chaos happens in the streets, and I just want the chaos to slow down. That's what I want. That strategy worked very effectively. Here's what they're doing 2024, that you can see some case studies of what they're doing, what's not going to work. What are they doing in 2024 that they haven't They're in their lesson. They're making a mistake that they made in 2016, but they're doing it in a different way. 2016, all CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS ever talked about was what? Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, but they invited him. Well, they're not He's fighting him now, but what are they doing? Because he's in court and all these different cases, they have to keep talking about him over and over thinking that strategy is going to work for them because they're getting ratings.

What they're not realizing, again, they're coming the best publisher's PR for this guy, and now it's like, Oh, my God, it's backfiring on us again. Look at the black vote in 2020. He only had 9% in 2024. He's got 22% of the African-American vote. And what's even worse than this, the people that are above 65, 81% of them are for Democrat and young. Most of these guys go, But the younger audience we're losing. This is not good if we're losing younger audience. If we lose the younger audience, could this be a buried gold water? Will the African-American vote flips for the next three decades? They're now seeing that this strategy is not working. However, the part that you have to see the case study is the following. So pinning Muslim against Jews, against Christians, against pro-Palestine, against Gaza, Hamas, pro-Israel, all this stuff. You can have your own position. We can all have our own position. We don't need to go there if you don't want to go there. But here's the part. Where they're winning is what? Kids in schools, riots, protesting, and they're doing what they're doing. All they're waiting for is the next George Floyd.

That's all they need. They need their next George Floyd. And what month are we in right now? Today's what? May 22nd. Okay. May 25th is coming up in three days, May 26th is in a few days. They need chaos back again, except they're going to do it in a different way.

I keep thinking that about the Israel-Palestine thing. I'm probably the only person in the world that doesn't have very strong feelings on it. I like Israel, not against the Palestine. I'm just agnostic. I'm just too American for this whole conversation. But when that becomes the biggest news story in the United States, a conflict across the globe, and when these protests are blown so out of proportion by all news media, you have to think, maybe this is not a reflection of reality. Maybe I'm being played here a little bit, right? Or maybe I'm being played a lot.

Well, maybe you are. I want to apologize because I didn't start off by congratulating you on You're one of the most honest outlets out there, Newsweek, reporting your massive contract you signed with Russian TV. Congratulations on that.

It's just part of my ongoing business relationship with Vladimir Putin. No, they, of course, I never even contemplated. I have no idea what they're talking about. I have nothing to do with Russian media. I couldn't even identify through Russian media. Well, that's, of course, I don't speak Russian. But that's a pretext for a FISA Warrant. You put that out there and Newsweek knows this, and they're mad at me for other reasons, of course. You put this out there, and all of a sudden it gives the Biden administration an excuse to spy on me, which they already are and have been over the last several years. But what's crazy is you can live in a country where That's completely illegal. Everyone knows it's happening and nobody says anything about it. The only people who do say anything about it, like Julian Assange or Ed Snowden, they're the ones facing life in prison. It's like, It's a little bit upside down, I would say. No, but that story, look, the media don't just mislead you. They're not just worker bees for the Democratic Party. They want to hurt you. Like, actually hurt you, put you in prison or kill you.

They're that involved in the machinery of internal repression in this country.

You're not saying that the DOJ would ever give permission to use deadly force when they're invading a former president.

When they're going through Melania's underwear drawers. That would never happen. Melania shows up and says, Why are you going through my nightgowns?

Bam.

Deadly force. Deadly force. I would say that the problem that we have as people who are not part of the machine, you don't need to be. It's not even a right or left question. It's, are you on the side of lies or are you not? Is we don't understand just how serious they are. I mean, if you're running DOJ and you saw a search warrant that said, yes, the use of deadly force applies in a document's case, a classified document's case. By the way, the documents were meaningless. No one's ever shown otherwise. It doesn't matter. You could put them on the internet now. It just doesn't matter, actually. And if you were the attorney general and you were looking through the warrant and said, use of deadly force is allowed, you'd say, whoa, we're literally rooting through Melania's dresser. We don't need to use deadly. Wouldn't you say that? Just as someone who believes in fairness and sanity?

The fact that you're putting that in there to give permission, and it's just water under. Yeah, no worries. Next news cycle. It's not a big story. Next news cycle. It's not a big story.

But what does it say? It says that they're serious enough to kill you. Absolutely, they are. Gonzalo Lira got murdered in Ukrainian prison, that's, of course, run by the State Department and CIA, basically killed by the Biden administration.

No big deal. I mean, at least-It's an American citizen. But at least the confidence comes the fact that never in the history of US has the government ever assassinated a president. It's not like that person who's a very ambitious vice president would never do that to become a president historically and within minutes want to be sworn in.

It sounds like a dangerous conspiracy theory to me. Let me ask you, though, it's pretty clear to me that two summers ago, so August 2022, when that deadly force raid on Mar-a-Lago took place and they routed through the former first lady's underwear, That was the moment when Trump came back. Desantis was done. This is my read on it. The more they persecute Trump unfairly, the more transparently grotesque and corrupted is, the stronger Trump becomes. I think that seems pretty obvious. There's been polling on this. Do you think the people who did it knew that would happen? How much of this did they think through?

No, I actually don't think they thought it would happen. I think they think it's working. I think they think it's working, and now it's too late. Michael Cohen, did you steal from the Trump organization? Yes, sir. I did. What? Yeah, I did. Holy shit. So now CNN has to, somebody on CNN has to say, It's over for this guy, right? Yeah. So this is another reason why sometimes when people are, We're going to sue those guys. Go ahead and do it. Then comes discovery. You got to also give me your discovery, right?Meaning, soOf course.when you're suing, I want to see your discovery. Give me your discovery. Let's go through it. You're suing me? Great. Let's go through. I want to see discovery on text exchange, email exchange. Oh, shit. No, we don't want to do that. But that's how lawsuits work. I want also discovery. Story, right? So now it's backfiring. Now they have to sit there. I mean, if we really play this thing, God, I'd be curious with you. Why do you think they chose to all of a sudden flip June 27th debate? And then the next one is going to be in September.

And first one, I think is CNN. Second one, I think it's ABC, if I'm not mistaken. Why do you think all of a sudden they flip so quickly? Are you part of a camp that thinks maybe they're trying to see how good he's going to be to replace him? Or what is the motive of trying to do it?

I mean, there are many levels, and I don't know the answer. I think it's getting a little late to try to replace him, honestly. And I think that'd be a pretty hard sell. And with whom? And what do you do with Kamala? This is the problem with DEI, with elevating people beyond their capacity, taking a true mouth breathing moron like Kamala Harrison making her vice president. These are the wages of sin that they're dealing with now, and I'm really glad to see it. I don't know that they replace them. I don't know how they can. Maybe they're more clever than I am and have a plan. I think it's as simple as the guy who's down wants a debate. He needs to change the storyline. The trend is hurting Joe Biden. It's not his friend. And so they got to do something like, Why not a debate? And again, it comes back to To pharmacology. They're injecting him with drugs. And so for a short period of time, he can seem sentient and aware and semi-capable, old, but not a vegetable. The rest time, he is a vegetable. I think they can get away with that for an hour and a half or two hours.

I think that's... I mean, again, I don't know, but my guess is they think they just have to show that he's not as senile as you think he is, and that's going to be enough. It was at the... Did you watch State of the Union?

I did.

He didn't seem quite as retarded as he normally does. No. No, he didn't. And that's drugs. I know someone, a makeup artist who worked on Joe Biden during the 2020 campaign, who was there when he got the drugs, in the room with the doctor. What drugs? Presumably amfetamines. Okay. Adderall, some version of that. Who watched it over a series of days and told me all about it. That's absolutely real. We've never gotten a read out on what drugs he's taking. By the way, he's the President of the United States. He has a nuclear arsenal at his command. He has the briefcase. I mean, he should be required to disclose what drugs he's taking, no?

Yeah, we would want to know, but you know that's never going to happen. I mean, that's never going to happen.

Then who's in control of the government. He's our employee. If your housekeeper shows up and she seems drunk, you get to say, Are you drunk? Prove you're not drunk or go home.

How much do you love America?

A lot.

What is America to you?

America is my family, my neighbors, my ancestors. America is the grandchildren I don't yet have. America is also a physical place. It's the water, it's the trees, especially. It's the mountains, it's the Coast, it's the physical beauty of the country. It's a physical place to me. It is absolutely not an idea. I don't even know what that means. It's a physical reality to me. America has a smell, America has a vibe, and America is Americans. It's the people who live here. By the way, if America is filled with people who aren't American, it's no longer America. That's what's happening, of course. It was not the country I grew up in, therefore it's not. What's my attachment to the country? A place is the people who occupy the place, and it's the physical surroundings. We're in a room, we're in a barn right now, and it's the wood beams holding up the hayloft, but it's also you and your wife. You know what I mean? It's real things that you can touch and smell and taste. There's nothing abstract about it, just like there's nothing abstract about my wife. I like the she smells, right? She's not an idea.

Is your wife an idea? No. She's a physical presence. Right. So that's what America is to me, yes.

How worried are you about that America being at risk or collapsing or losing some of its moxie that it's had for two and a half centuries? How worried are you about that?

Well, I've accepted the reality, at least in the second part of your question, that it's already happened. It's lost its moxie, and men are in terminal decline, and I see it all around me, particularly young men. They're defeated. They're defeated by a system that set out to defeat them and succeeded. There are a lot of reasons for that, a lot of ways that they were defeated, but they have been. Not all, but the broad middle has been defeated. I'm incredibly sad about that. But I think about America the way that I think about a ship that's leaking. It's like, one thing I know is I'm staying on it, whether I'll ride it to the bottom or not, but I'm here.

Okay, so at what capacity are you willing to contribute for it not to leak? Is it at any capacity or is it limited capacity that you're willing to personally contribute?

Well, I don't have any options. And by the way, if I were in charge, if I were some benign monarch, hopefully benign, no dual passports in my country, sorry. Because that really is the measure of commitment. Are you all in or not? Do you have options? Have you burned the boats, as they say? I think you should be required to burn the boats. No, you can't go back. What? You're here. And once you are, this is what marriage is. This is why you treat your wife better than you treat your girlfriend because you're married to her. And It's very hard to get out of. You got children together. In a normal marriage, the person's like, Well, one thing I know I'm not doing is divorcing. I'm going to suck it up and try. That works. Sucking it up and trying works. I feel the same way about my country. I'm not going anywhere. I I don't have another passport. I wouldn't get another passport. How many people do I know with dual passports? Like a million? And they tend to be the richest people and the people who've gotten the most from the country who've really benefited from our systems, which they've then destroyed.

And I think that should be illegal. Pick a country and pick a military. No, you can't serve in a foreign military. What? And no, we're not going to pay you to serve in a foreign. I don't care what the country. I don't care if it's England or Sweden, where my answers just came from. I don't care if it's Burkina Faso, where yours came from, or Iran, where yours came from. It's like, no. And you should be all in. The whole idea of it, it's like an Airbnb. The country is like a fucking Airbnb to them. And it's not an Airbnb. It's my house. That's how I feel.

Okay, so let's stay on that. When-sorry. No, this is very helpful.

Serving in a foreign military. When?

You're talking about- Any military. I mean, any foreign military. But I know what you're talking about because I read the notes on if you're able to serve in Israel, it's going to count as-Oh, you hate Israel.

I do not hate I like Israel.

But what is a lot? I don't even want to get sidetracked. How is that even the logic to say you serve in another military counts as the same as- I don't care.

My name is Carlson. I'm Swedish. If you serve in the Swedish military, get out.

What's the argument?

We're not Sweden.

I mean, what? How is their argument to us, though? How are they saying that- There's no argument.

There's just like, You hate this or that. No, I don't hate anybody. Actually, in the case of that specific country, I've been there a number of times. I could describe it in detail because it's one of my favorite places in the world. I'm just saying I do. Not just the ancient city that defines the country, in my opinion, not the modern Miami knockoff that everyone loves, but the real Jerusalem. It's unbelievable. And the people and the food, and I just like it. So I'm not going to fall for that. You hate it. No, don't hate it. I just love my country, and I think you can only have one country at a time. I don't believe in polygamy either. You got one wife. And by the way, if you have two wives, I know people who are polygamous, and with respect, you're not all in on any one wife. So it's like, well, she's acting crazy. See you. And you go deal with the other wife, right? And your commitment is less when it's diffuse, when you've got more than one, you cannot serve two masters. I believe I'm quoting someone in that. It's just true.

It's factually true.

Well, if you got four wives and you're running a podcast, you immediately have a couple of sponsors. Cialis, Viagras. Hey, I'm here with my four wives. This is brought to you by-Do you know anyone who's polygamous?

Have you known polygamous people?

Yes, of course. I had a guy that came, interviewed for a job, and he came from Africa, and he had 32 kids. I said, How do you have? I'd love to have 20 kids. How do you have 32 kids? I would. But he's got eight wives. So mathematically, math is in the same way. It's a lot.

Is he Muslim?

I don't remember.

Because that's double the allowed amount. The problem with polygamy in Islam, which is actually a lot more, I'm not flacking for Islam, I'm a Christian, but it's a lot more humane than people say and a lot less common than people imagine because the rules are pretty tough on polygamy in Islam. You have to treat each wife the same, and that spend the same amount of money, spend the same amount of time. If you take one wife to Disney World with her kids, you got to take the next wife to Disney World with her kids for the same amount of time. It takes a lot of money and a lot of effort to make it right.

Are you suggesting for term limits in marriage? Is that what you're saying?

I'm suggesting actually that monogamy works really well. Okay, got it.

I'm just trying to specify because sometimes there could be a gray area. But let me go to my question. So obviously, this is the first time you and I have ever met. Yes. The last 24 hours. Well, we had dinner last night. Of course. But what I'm saying is we've never met prior to this. We've never spoken. This is the first interaction we've had the last 24 hours. Great time last night. That was the real podcast. Yeah, I know. That was the real I know. But anyways, we won't go there. But the question I got for you is, when I was watching you and I'm trying to see the evolution of you from where you're at, your background, what you've done, sitting there saying, Okay, he's leaving because he's going to build News Corp 2 because he wants to be the next Rupert Murdoch. I don't know if that's what he wants to do. He's going to be Roger Ailes, and he's going to produce 100 other talents. Maybe. I don't know. No, he wants to be the Rush Limba, the number one for the next two decades, and he wants to be able to say, Okay, he's already that guy.

I don't think he needs to do that. No. Then there's a part of me that says, Okay, I I really think this guy loves America in a very sincere, clear, conviction type of way. I think he's willing to do anything for that. This is not a conversation for 2024. Do you at all internally think, and you're a very well-read guy. There's books here. There's plenty of books over there. Do you look at Churchill and you say, This guy was a journalist, controversial figure, the feud with him in Chamberlain, and all these other guys, and eventually, it's like, Listen, man, we got to need somebody like this that's got the brass to come and do something. Is there any limit of where you're willing to go to fight for the idea of America, where you grew up, your story, your family, all of that? Are you willing to go all the way to the point where you would consider a 2028 run as a president?

Well, I believe in using the gifts that God gave you. I think putting people in the wrong jobs or the wrong marriages or the wrong schools is counterproductive. In fact, it's a sin. I think we're all born for something, and you should figure out what that is, and you should do it. Two of my dogs can find any bird on any path in any field or forest in America. They will find the bird. They do not do my taxes because they're not born to do my taxes. They're born to find birds. I feel that way about myself and everyone around me. Do what you're born to do, and I just don't see myself as a political person. My only goal is to be free, personally free. I really believe in personal liberation. Tell the truth, that's liberation, about yourself, primarily, but also about world around you. My second goal is to preserve the country that I grew up in to the extent that I can. I mean, recognizing that my powers are really limited and that my vision is blurry and I'm a human being, not God. But yeah, that's absolutely my goal. I have never been that interested in money at all, and I'm not interested in building large organizations or administering them.

I'm not good at that. I just want to tell the truth, and I'm absolutely willing, especially now that I'm 55, who cares? You're looking at a future of what? Parkinson's? Really? At a certain age, you're like, What do you... I see these old people, including a lot of old people in power who are trying to squeeze out another year. It's like, accept your mortality, please. Spend some time with the people you love and who love you, your children, your grandchildren, your wife. None of them want to accept the finite nature of life. So I do accept that. And so I just want to do whatever I can to achieve those two goals, to remain free and honest inside and to preserve the country that I really love. I loved growing up here. And so have previous generations of my family, and I hope subsequent generations So that's it. I have always had low bore goals. I don't have any grand plan for world domination. I can't even dominate my town. But I would do anything to do that.

Anything. So you would consider 2028 runs? Yeah, I don't think I'd be very good at it, but I would do whatever I could to help.

I want to be helpful. And that is the motto of my family, actually. Inside my wedding ring, it says, Forever your helper. My wife says that, too, because I believe in helping. I think that's our duty as Christians. It's our duty as people. It's the most fulfilling thing you can do is just to help in some small way. You're never going to figure it out. You're never going to fix everything because you're not God. To repeat, you're not God. But you can make incremental progress, and you should never stop trying. So I mean, would you?

Oh, no question about it. This country has changed my life. Yeah, absolutely.

But do you think there's a political... I mean, this is such a cliché at this point, but is there a political solution to the problems that beset us?

What are you going to do if you're not involved? How are you going to be able to make direct imp? You can talk about all this stuff all you want. If you're not on the to see what's really going on, then what are you going to do?

Because I think articulating things out loud makes all the difference.

Policy change.

Policy change, for sure. But those typically follow changes of heart. I mean, there are some policies that nobody wants, and they change everything because they're imposed by fiat. That's real. On the other hand, look at what triggers the liars. It's not policy changes. It's some guy standing up and saying, Wait, that's not true. The CIA knew about Os walls. Like, Shut up. Or whatever it is. Why don't you declassify the 9/11 document? Shut up. Conspiracy theorist. It's like, Why is that so threatening? And it's so threatening because it's getting closer to the truth. So saying the truth out loud I mean, they spend all of their time trying to censor people. Why do they do that? Because that's the greatest threat to them. It's not some bill in Congress. That can be undone. What can't be undone. If you get in an argument with your wife and you say something truly horrible to her, like vicious and true, It's hard to fix that. It can be many years before you fix that because you've articulated something. Those words have hung in the air as a independent entity. Like, words have their own being. In the beginning was the word.

And that does more damage than punching somebody. It's true. I don't know. I think telling the truth out loud is the most powerful and revolutionary thing that you can do.

Yeah, but you need... So what will happen is, here's what I noticed that's going on. So we're at a family Goldman Sachs event in Chicago last week, and they bring these 60 billionaire families. And it's about family Family Forum, founder family forum, something like that. It was actually a very interesting thing to go because it's generational wealth to see how other families have done it. So you saw the owners of the different sports teams, Reindsdorff, they own the Bulls, you got the Cubs, You got the Cubs, you got the Black Hawk. You got the Crown family, General Dynamics, $30 billion family, and they're going through it. And then you have the Walsh family. Very interesting to listen to these guys. One of the parts when the Crown family guy, Keating, is talking, he says, In our family, I'm fourth generation. I'm the oldest G4. And G4 means fourth generation kid. He's a 47-year-old G4, okay? His daughter is a 12-year-old who's the oldest G5 at a 150. So you got an oldest G4, oldest G5. Now, G5 is 150 kids, grandkids. Imagine 150 kids that are coming from a billionaire family. They're like, How much of that is coming to me?

It's complicated to how to use that. You think? Okay, so watch this. Then the next guy comes up and is breaking down the numbers saying, Do you know what percentage of wealthy family's money makes it to second-generation G2, 31%. Do you know what percentage makes it to G3? 12%. Do you know what percentage makes it to G4? 3%. So wow. 31, 12, 3 to G4. What is it to G5, G6, G7? Okay, so where am I going with this? America is a family, is a company. It started off with the wealth that's been created. Now we got G1, G2, G3, G4, whatever it is G20, G30, G40. We're on a different G. Except now, it's like a super wealthy family. Let's put a net worth of $32 trillion or $30 trillion minus all the credit card debt that we have. That's another $32 trillion. We got a top-line revenue of, say, $4 trillion, whatever our GDP that we're doing per year. No problem. So you break this down and you're trying to get that money. It was like, Hey, what am I going to get? How'd you forget about me? I did this. If you owe me this much money.

Oh, shit. We got to make this guy. We got to make that guy. We got to make this guy. The way it's going, it's catastrophic on what's going to happen. Why not? Money-wise, here very soon with the next generation that are entitled on what you're going to give to them next. Okay. So many times, just like when you look at people that should have more kids, don't, the people that don't have the resources or not teaching the values or not that responsible or not the examples of a good citizen to duplicate other kids, they're having seven, eight, nine kids. And so we're duplicating the wrong habits at a pace faster than duplicating the right habits. Eventually, what ends up happening is people that are not qualified to run a job do so, and they have control over you and I. I think it was Plato that said it. I've noticed. Those who think it's foolish to study politics will be governed by foules who do.

That's right.

Those who think it's foolish to study politics will be governed by foules who do. Okay. If guys who have the mouthpiece, debate, history, argument, if those guys who should consider running don't run, foules will. And now we're going to be governed by foules who do.

It's the story of Kamal Harris. When I was a child, I got my first driver's license in 1985-ish. 1985. Kamal Harris will be working the DMV. And you'd think, How did someone just get a job at the DMV? She's dumb. It's a prestigious job. She's annoying. She clearly hates me for reasons I can't control. Then you wake up in a country where she's a US Senator, then vice President of the United States. It's like, No, I completely agree with you. The problem is it's hard to fix that. The generational, I actually grew up in a family like this, G5 or whatever. You look around and everybody's not impressive and self-hating and not productive and increasingly not rich at all and drinking too much and decadent and filled with all kinds of angst and all that. Generational wealth does not. I've almost never seen it work. So what's the answer to that?

Well, I don't think the answer is sitting on the sidelines and having them keep getting more and more power.

But you just described the problem of the country. I'm not attacking the Crown family or the Goldman Sachs family. So I wonder how screwed up the G5 is and all those families. Pretty screwed up.

Of course it is.

Like, big time.

No question about it.

So what happens in families happens at scale. It happens in countries. For sure.

But also at the same time, when You go and study Lawrence Miller's book, Barbarians to Bureaucrats. He talks about every civilization, every society, every country, company, goes through these phases. First, you have the prophet. He's the founder. You have the founding fathers. Hey, we're going to go out there and there's no way we're going to pay taxes on taxation without representing. Shit, okay. These guys are not wanting to pay taxes. Yeah, we're not going to... They can't do that to us. All right. Then they inspire barbarians. So jobs inspired barbarians. Musk inspires barbarians. Sometimes the Prophet is a Barbarian. Musk is both. Jobs is both. Our founding fathers, many of them were both. So you got Prophet, Barbarian, builders, explorers. Then you have administrators, Oh, yes. Then you have aristocrats, bureaucrats. Then comes the downfall. Company, family, legacy, G4, G5, it's done. The only way at this point that you can save that civilization, that society, that company, is for a synergist that comes in and is able to rally enough of the people to say, Here's what we're going to be doing. He's not trying to rally the aristocrats. He's not trying to rally the bureaucrats.

You're not going to get those guys. Those guys got to get fired. He's trying to rally the builders, the explorers, the guys that are saying, Hey, man, I just want to go out there and build my business. I feel we're at an era right now. We're at a phase right now where the synergist need to say, You know what? I feel like I can play the role for this. Great. Let's roll. I think these guys guys need to, right now, either be recruited, they need to be inspired, they need to have people that come to them and have a conversation saying, Hey, I think you need to consider. We got five of us here. We came here for one reason. We're thinking about talking to you about 2028. Not interested, not this, not seeing these conversations are not happening. Of course, they're happening behind closed doors regularly. But I think these guys, if America's worth saving, if the concept of saving America is something that we value, we need to either choose If we can't contribute like you, or we need to inspire and recruit and get others to say, I think you ought to consider doing this.

I think you need a whole class of people. I feel like I'm statistically unusual in that I'm a white, American-born man who's not suicidal on some level. I don't think there's a virtue in destroying things, including myself. I'm just not into it. I just don't feel that way at all. You know what I mean? Have a lot to appreciate in everything, and I love my family. But there aren't that many people like that, and it is the product of generational wealth. I mean, there are a lot, but statistically, there are a lot of people who... I mean, what's transgenderism? It's a form of suicide, of course. What's drug addiction? A form of suicide. What's chronic obesity? Form of suicide. It's all branches from the same tree. It's really about the spirit. That's why if you did immigration right, which we're We're not doing at all, we're using immigration as another tool to destroy the country. But you could conceivably add the energy and the non-suicidal impulses into your country or gene pool. That would be good. But I don't see a way out. The people who were born in 1969, as I was, a lot of them have just given up.

What would you say as an employer and as an immigrant who made it here, what would you say to a 22-year a man who can't get a job, go to some stupid college, get some meaningless marketing degree, and you can't get a job. You're a white man, you can't get a job. What would you... And then they're on the internet all upset, they're not dating. It's a disaster. I'm seeing it all around me. What would you say to that kid?

Instead of pursuing a career, pursue a doer and someone to shadow. I don't think it's about you going and saying, I'm going to go be a realtor. I'm going to go be a business analyst. I'm going to go be a predictive analyst. I'm going to go be a VP of this. Why don't you go work for a person that's a prolific at what they do and go model them, go shadow them? That's going to be a better university for you than anything else. We're sitting here last night. Who learned the most? The guys that were here that are watching the exchange, the question, Hey, what do you think about this? What about that? Going back and forth to somebody that's 22 years old. Yesterday was six months worth of media lessons last night, what we just went through. Think about what that happened those three hours last night. What would a 22-year-old gain from that? What would you and I gain at 22 if we were at that room? People were like, Oh, my God. It's crazy I say, Okay, I get this makes sense. I think to me, it's more, go find the right people to duplicate and shadow and support them.

If you can work under them as closely as possible, that'll be a better degree for you than anything else. But let me go back to what you were saying, saying, I'm 55 years old. The guys that were born in 1969, they're like, I'm just like... But they've given up. But that's exactly what they want you to do. That's exactly what they-I'm not doing that. No, not you. Meaning that's exactly what... If the person is... Oh, I agree. That's exactly what they want you to do. They want you to be sitting there I mean, what can I do? I'm just like, I can't do anything about it. In every organization, in every great movie, every great story, every great book, the hero's journey you go through, it's typically the guy that doesn't want to do it. People are trying to encourage him. And then finally, one day, it clicks. Boom. And then, boom, something happens. Spirit opens up. They go in intentional, a certain level of conviction deep down inside, where you're saying there's something It's different about the way this guy is selling it to me than others. I don't know why I like this guy.

I trust this guy. He seems reasonable. I can listen to this guy. I think those guys are out there. And the idea, years ago, they asked Castro, Hey, if you had to do it all over again, how many thousands of people would you need to be able to pursue your vision of communism and all this other? Would it be 10,000? Would it be 100,000? Would it be a thousand? He says, I need one person who's a 100% true believer. That's all I need. Would one, we would have done it all over again. There's this idea that we think we need 70, 80, a thousand, 10,000. We need one person who we can rally behind. And by the way, the other thing I would also say is, the founding father Others, 1776, they did what they did. Benjamin Rush, you got all these guys, Smith, Jefferson, Washington, of course, Franklin, all these names, right? Where are those guys today who are getting together once a month, once a quarter, once every six months to talk? Where are those guys today? Where are those guys today? Do we not need those guys today? And I'm not talking about Congress, Senate.

I'm talking about guys that can hold those guys accountable. Where are those guys today? I don't know. But I think the great thing about what's been going on the last four years, specifically, maybe started '16, got pretty bad in COVID, 2020, 2021. The one thing that's been very weird the last four years, the right people are finding each other. I totally agree. It's a beautiful thing.

Do you feel the spirit of the country changing? Do you feel the people... Well, I have noticed in my tiny, weird little world that people do seem freer about what they say and think.

I agree. You feel that? I fully agree. Absolutely, I agree. And by the way, I think a couple of it also, we got to give credit to the right people. You got to give credit to capitalism, because I think what Danny elected with Spotify, defending Rogan was monumental. I agree with that. I think that was a very, very big move on what he did. I think Musk buying Twitter and X, monumental. If X Monumental. If act doesn't do what he does, he fires Rogan. If Elon never buys Twitter, this is not the same America. There's been also good moves behind closed doors where people are sitting there and saying, Okay, all right, shit. If we act up and we give strikes for everything and we lose these guys, they got a place to go Spotify, and they got a place to go Twitter and X. That is problem at. We can't lose that guy because if we do, then people are going to be like, This is the censorship crowd. So what do we got to do to get rid of Elon? A lot of defamation. We got to find everything and anything we can on him, right?

Or what do we got to do with Spotify? He doesn't give a shit. He's living in a different country. He can't do anything to him. And by the way, Spotify numbers came out right now. I don't know if you saw the reports from this morning saying 64% of fans of the podcast they follow, they rely on them for their political views than what they get from mainstream media. And their numbers has grown 38. It's amazing. It's a beautiful thing.

It's a beautiful That's the thing. And by the way, just to show a rare flash of racial pride, go Sweden. Daniela, go Sweden. Sweden hasn't added a lot, actually, to the world in the last 100 years. This is one way. This is one thing. This is one way. You got to give me credit. Ever since Saab went out of business, I lost faith, but Spotify is-Beautiful car, yes.

Saab, very sporty.

What is... I am really struck by so many things in the US. That's how I spent my life. But how is this shaking out? There are a lot of conservative media outlets that I took semi-seriously that now I don't take seriously at all. They're obviously fake. The news outlets I worked for for the past 30 years, they're either all gone or they're about to be gone. Nbc News is all going away, obviously. What does the landscape look in five years?In.

The media space?Yeah. Specific to conservative?

Just broadly.

Okay. So cable is dropping, but not at the pace people thought. What Peacock did paying $110 million for the Dolphins game against the Chiefs and had 23 million people watching that they had to pay, what, 499 or 999? That changed the game with sports. So cable centers are saying, Holy shit, what are we going to do now? I think they just signed two NFL games that either Amazon or Netflix, one of those guys paid some $100 million, $120 million. So you're seeing sports make the transition out of cable TV because cable TV has been saved by three communities. You got the boomers, you got the sports community, and you got Big Pharma. You take those three out, there is no cable. It's gone. Big Pharma gets their advertising dollars through there. So you need one President to come in and say, Hey, we're not going to be one of two like New Zealand, allowing you guys to advertise on TV. You're gone. Do it elsewhere. You're not going to advertise anymore. You know who goes out of business if they do that? Eighty % of these guys, if not more. Boomers, it's just a matter of time.

I don't think that would, just to pause for one second. I don't think that would save America, but I think it would improve America a lot.

Tremendously.

Do you take any head drugs? Are you in Xanax or Adderall? No, no. But I think- Everybody is. You're right. And those drugs kill you and destroy your brain. And no one ever says anything about it. How many people do you know are addicted to Xanax or Adderall? I know a lot, personally.

I've lost friends over that. Me, too. Personally, no problem.

So Xanex and Adderall, which are considered totally normal. It's just Xanex and Adderall. That's completely It's completely evil. I mean, that's meth and a physically addictive benzodiaspine. I mean, it's really crazy. I can't remember the last time. I remember ever seeing a story. And have you ever seen a story on that?

The only one you would think about is when Tom Cruise went on Matt Lauer and it pushed the envelope and going at him. I don't know if you remember that where he's saying, Why are we taking all these-Do I remember it?

Yes, I remember. I remember thinking the Tom Cruise saying, I don't watch a movie. So I was like, Tom Cruise is like an actor. He seems a little effeminate and weird. He's in this cult, Scientology. By the end of that, I I was like, You know what? I don't know Tom Cruise, but I'm pro Tom Cruise because that guy is telling the truth. I don't care if it's because of his weird religion or whatever. That's the truth.

Oh, that was fascinating, right? Or even when Robert De Niro, when he's at a film festival and a documentary was coming out about vaccine by, I think Del Bittre, and he's talking about the documentary because he's got an autistic son. I think he's like 22 or 23 years old. That's one area where he's like, We have to look into this. What's going on with this? And he's kept an account of to him. At the time, the kid was 16 years old. But I think there's some moments, and they tried to hide it as much as possible.

Robert De Niro suggested there's a link between vaccines and autism.

You've never seen this interview? No. I have to show it to you afterwards. Okay. So he's talking about it, and the host is trying to shut him up. He's You guys got to see this documentary. And he's not one that uses his kids as a... We know where he's at with Trump. We know he's got TDS. We know he loses his mind. But when it comes down to vaccine and autism, that is a very personal thing to him.

But can you imagine not being allowed to ask?

Yeah, that's the problem.

I mean, I don't know if that's true or not. There's some evidence that it is true, and we do know that they took the additive out of the vaccine, but it, of course, had nothing to do with autism. But in what world can't you ask that question or demand a straightforward answer? They're forcing your kids to take this stuff.

No, I mean, listen, if you think about business models, Tucker, and I'll go back to the question about the media landscape. I'll just say this, and I'll go back to the media landscape. If you think about business models, okay, if If you and I go to a hotel, how do hotels make money? Let's just say you and I own a hotel with 2,000 beds. When we get our report from the guy that's running the hotel, what number do we want at the end of the month? We want to know, out of the 31 days this month, times 2,000 beds, that's 60,000 times that these beds could have been rented, how many times were they rented? And I say, Well, we were at 89 %. Can we get it to 92%? So what do we need? We need people staying in our hotel to make money. That's our business model. The business model of a hotel isn't to have only 10% of the rooms being used. You need people to Steve Hatt. Okay, so what's the business model of hospitals?

It must be totally different, right? Right.

So we need those beds to be filled. And by the way, do you know the numbers? Do you know what is a number one industry? Number one industry. If you ask right now, what's the number one industry of the most money they did last year? You know what most people would say? Would they say energy, oil? You know that's only a half a trillion. You know what's number one? Hospitals. One and a half trillion dollars. And when they ask them on how much you charge for a basic surgery, bypass or whatever it is, their range is from $44,000 up to $580,000. Why is that range such a big range? And by the way, who controls your pricing? And do you guys have to report on what it really costs you to do this? I think under Trump, I don't know if you remember this, in 2020, 2021, he came out with a law law forcing hospitals to report, honestly, like, Here's what you're doing. I think out of 500 hospitals, they audited 471, never even completed their numbers on what they're... So they're charging people. Most people think it's providers making a lot of money.

Providers are not making a lot of money. They're losing money. The people that are making money is hospitals. So hospital models, I need sick people. Big pharma models, I need new diagnosis. The more new diagnosis I have, the more new drugs I can sell. So I need new drug diagnosis. What is the contractor's model? Military contractor. I need war. If we don't have war, how the hell are we going to make money? If I go to mainstream media, what do I need? Controversy, conflict, chaos. That's how I make my money. When you actually look at the business model of what these guys are doing, they need Chaos and problems to keep making money. So that part is a very concerning thing. So going back to mainstream media, three things keeping them in.Boomers,Farmers. Big Farmer, boomers, and Sports. Now, what sports is happening is a lot of these sports guys are realizing cable is not paying well. I'm going to go sign a contract with Peacock, with Netflix, with Amazon, with all these guys. They're paying good money. They got a lot of money. These other guys are dying. Some of these smaller sports market are saying, I don't want you to play it on TV.

Forget about it. It means nothing to me what you're paying me. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go out and put it on my own OTT. I'm going to put on my over-the-top. You want to watch the game? You can only see it on the Phoenix Suns over-the-top. So holy shit. Cable is like, No, no, no, no, no, don't do that. That's problematic. Now, the small market TV is getting crushed So cable, problematic. They got to figure out a solution there. Let's go to conservative side. On the conservative side, you got DailyWired that they're dealing with whatever happened between Candice and Ben, which has been a problem that they've been trying to clean up. Whatever the reasons are behind it, the landscape of what they did, decision-making process, you saw a few different things. Everybody, whether it's from October seventh, specifically from October seventh, is a place to go. Everybody, you I can tell, if we're living in LA and we're trying to find out what gang everybody is in, okay, those guys are MS-13. These guys are blood. They're crip. They're this, they're that. You all of a sudden saw, okay, these guys are Israel above all.

These guys are conservative above all. These guys are debate above all. These guys are discourse above all. This is curiosity. This is built on pure money and profit and wanting to sell and be a SPAC and go on the stock market and sell, and I'm a billionaire. No problem. But what you did filter out in the last... It was exhilarate. It was like, boom. We learned about everybody in six months from October seventh. It was everybody got exposed. And now they're trying to backtrack. Well, no, not really. Well, no, not really. Well, no, not really. And that, Well, no, not really is going to be tough because you have to maneuver through a lot of the stuff that you said in the last six, seven months, and the market is going to hold everybody accountable for what you said. Those clips are not going away, right?

So What's their future look like?

Who, specifically? Dailywire. Dailywire. What's their future look like? I don't know. I don't know their board. I know they have the factoring of fracking guys, the oil billionaire guys, that based on what I hear from people, they're Jews for Jesus and good guys. You have to sit there and ask yourself, Okay, if you make this decision the way you did, no problem. We'll support your decision. Is there a board in Daily Wire? I don't know. Do Jeremy Boring and Ben Shapiro have a board to process when they're making a big decision? Maybe, maybe not. If they do, board is held accountable. Was it a good decision? Was it not? If they don't, then the money people have to say, Well, you give a lot of freedom to these guys to make the decision. Then the money people are going to go out there to want to raise more money, and who can you now go to raise money? You can definitely go to every single billionaire that's Jewish and say, Hey, look what we did. You should be proud of us. Here's a position we took. No problem. We'll give you $200 million. There's a lot of money there.

That money is not going away, and that money is all over the place. If somebody is pro-Israel and there's a lot of money there, that's an unlimited access to money. I don't think that's going to go away. People are like, Oh, my God, Daily Wire is going to go. No, they're not. They got And there's plenty of people that are going to back them up. Then you have to see who backs them up, what media organizations behind closed doors, what institutions organizations will go after anybody that says anything bad about them. In what way? Defamation? Digging up stories, articles. Is that what they're going to do? Who knows? Character assassination? Nobody knows. That's speculative to see what they're going to be doing.

It sounds like you're saying that October seventh split the right.

In a big way. In a big way. In a big way. In a big way. Massive way. And imagine what Lincoln Project did to 2020, where we had all these You guys on it. And then the reports came out, this guy's pedophile. That guy's this. It was just a complete mess when we had this conversation. One of them was firey. This one we had, Smith and Vinnie went at it. It was viral all over the place.

You had Steve Smith on?

Oh, yeah. We've had a lot of weird people on. We've had Anthony Wunnerbough.He's.

A really... I I know him well. I've known him for 25 years, literally 25, almost 30. He's really a damaged character. But not stupid.

Yeah, definitely not stupid. But damaged makes sense because you feel his rage. He's really got some, I don't know if it's anger issues or true hatred for certain people. Now, imagine Lincoln Project. Now, you got multiple of them that's going through it. Yeah. And by the way, a part of DeSantis, Trump was also not a good thing. I think we'll recover from that. No problem. I think DeSantis is making the right moves right now, getting closer to Trump, building that relationship. I'm here to support you. I think that's the right move for him to make. I wish he would have done it earlier, but never too late for him to take that route.

Why didn't he get the nomination?

For VP or for what?

For President. I think he ran for the Republican nomination.

Listen, I think there was a-Is that a dumb question? No, listen, I said this. To me, he's not a alpha to be a one. He's a flag carrier. Sometimes flag carriers that... He needs to go read the book, Forty-Eight Laws of Power. I don't know if you read the book, Forty-Eight Laws of Power. He needs to go read Forty-Eight Laws of Power by himself. Don't tell anybody about it. If he sees this, he needs to go read 40 Laws of Power and realize the number one mistake DeSantis made is law number one. That's all he needs to do. That's all I'm going to say. What's law number one? Law number one is never outshine your master. And that's what he did. You don't ever do that. In this case, master is a bad word to use, but you can replace masters with the guy that helped you become a governor. You never outshine that guy. That is the kiss of death when you do that. You cannot do that because Because that person forever is going to know that secretly, you always want to take him out to have his throne. And once that's out there, that guy cannot, in the back of his mind, ever take that away from his brain.

It's always going to be here. It's going to be like, Oh, I know where you're at. Okay, no problem. Oh, no, but you... No, no. I know what you want. I know deep down inside, you want my throne. No problem. Versus a role he could have played like a godfather, what is it, that Robert DeVault plays always, butcherism is Tom Hagner. What's the guy's name? Consulier to the boss. You obviously watch many movies. I've just seen all these questions. Not too many movies. Like none. Very obvious. You're a big movie guy here. But no, I think that's the part. I think once he did that, it was bad for him, but He's 45. He's got plenty of run rate. He just needs to be a phenomenal flag carrier.

But can a flag carrier ever ascend to the Alpha position?

For sure. Biden was a flag carrier. For sure. George Bush senior is a flag carrier. Nixon was a flag carrier. The model of flag carrier is actually very easy to be a president. Ulysses S. Cran was a flag carrier, right? And then boom, he became two term, not necessarily the best president, but they did become a president. So if he's solving for being a president, you can do it, but you got to be a great flag carrier. Most of the time, flag carriers are not the best communicators. Most of the time, flag carriers are not the best to get up there and do what they do. They need somebody to edify them. So if you're not the best orator speaker, you're a very good day-to-day getting policies and stuff done, which he can do. He's a very smart guy. You need a big orator with a big mic to defend you and back you up. He lost that mic, and he's got to figure out how would have gained that mic back for 2028.Fascinating..

I think correct.Yeah. I want to go back to something you said a second ago. You said that, in fact, you even looked at me like it was a dumb question, which it probably was. October seventh was a pivot point in conservative media, and it divided it. How and why, and is it permanent?

Man, I mean, listen, anybody that's a big talent, deep down inside, there's probably some ego, some a lot of ego. Like, I'm better than you ego. I'm smarter than that guy. It's tough to admit to a mistake while you're going through it. Some of these guys made massive mistakes, right? Now, the problem-Right, like what? The position you take with Candice, that's a problematic position. Now, to give him credit, he came out and said, Daily Wire is not a platform. We're a publisher. As a publisher, we can't let go of anybody. You're right. Yeah. Totally fine. You can do that for sure. And then the argument as well, we had Dave Rubin on, and Rubin says, Well, you don't know the whole story and what's going on there. And she had said something and ta-da-ta-da-da. Okay. Yeah, she questions certain questions. Now, you may say, We're not comfortable with this. No problem. But your position when you You knock off, you go after Candice talking about crisis kink, and then you're playing the games. And then if the story comes out, the fact that they use Candice asking Ben for a debate as a form of getting the gag order, if that story comes out, Let's just say that story is true.

I think Glenn Greenwell reported on it. If that is true, if it's not true, well, then Glenn Greenwell has got to go through and say what he's got to say. But if that story is true, that they use the tweet from Candice to almost lure in and then call the lawyers to... If that story ever comes out in the next year, two years, three years, if that comes out, that's very problematic because talent is going to have to feel comfortable going somewhere. Great talent is going to have to go somewhere that they feel safe, they feel protected. A Dana White is a great case study for this. Conor McGregor, a diva, loud, problematic, sometimes chaotic. Dana knows how to work with them. Phil Jackson, nobody wanted Dennis Rodman. Phil knows how to work with Dennis Rodman. Come here, we'll win. He goes to the Lakers, Come here, we'll win. They did, right? And before Chuck Daley, who was a coach of the Pistons. Draymond Green, Steve Kerr can handle that, right? Sometimes talent, if you look at how they are, there needs to be somebody that knows how to work with them as well. You have to show as a publisher, as a media company, that you know how to get talent, build them up, and also you know how to be on closed doors to massage and work with them while they're going through their changes as a talent.

If you don't know how to manage ego and manage divas, you're eventually going to lose your best talent to elsewhere that knows how to do that. Number two, the divas are always going to be scared of someone like you because that's the one thing they don't want. They don't want to go to a place to be like, Hey, here's what I need you to do. And what eventually ends up happening is the following. Eventually, look at Fox's reputation. You got Bill O'Reilly, you got Beck, you got Megan, you got you. What do all four of you guys have in common?

I know them all.

Of course you do. You guys were all number one. You guys crushed it on cable TV for God knows how many years. And you guys all had an really fallen out at the end. Fox has to rebuild that reputation if they want to attract talent like that. If not, what they're going to end up catching themselves doing is, especially at a time where more people are realizing, I don't need you. This This is very problematic. It's not like the leverage is on them. The way some of these media companies are acting today, they could have gone away with that 20 years ago. You can't today because talent has a choice. They didn't have a choice 20 years ago. Where am I going to go 20 years ago? Think about it. 20 years ago, if I'm working for CNN or MSNBC, and I got a show, and Rachel Madau and whatever, Brian Stelter, and all the guys, and all of a sudden, they go super left, and you're in between the Madau show. Boom. You know what? I just don't think they have a for me. This guy's done.

Wait, that actually happened to me.

I know, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm reading.

I was like, That sounds so familiar.

Well, and then Jon Stewart, well, let me tell you, you just got to stop. By the way, that would be a very good interesting podcast if you ever do with John Stuart. He's so pathetic.

I don't know. Yeah, it would be interesting. I want to be a good sport about it. I think the world would watch it. Yeah, I mean, the world would watch all kinds of ugly things, but I just try to think. I I have such contempt for him. I guess maybe that would make it hard. I like interviewing people I disagree with Chris Cromo I interviewed. I totally disagree with Chris Cromo and so much, and I made fun of him so much. I've been really mean to him. But I don't have contempt for Chris Cromo at all, actually. But John Stewart, I have total contempt for him. I think he's like, I have no respect at all, and I never have. And that hasn't changed in the 20 years since I last saw him. So it's hard to interview. Have you ever interviewed someone you have no respect at all?

Of course.

It's hard.

Of course it is. I don't like it. It's not easy.

I don't give a shit what you say. I mean, you're pathetic. It's not even your real name. Everything about you is fake. You're just fake. And you're a dumb person posing as a smart person, everything about it. Barf. So I don't know if I could do that.

No, listen, I understand. And I can only imagine because I'm the viewer. I'm not even you to know what the real context is.

When I interviewed the creepy porn lawyer, Michael Lamentadi, I mean, he's a very menacing person and not a great person, obviously, and I totally disagree with him. On the other hand, he had an energy that I didn't disrespect. I mean, he's just a very energetic guy. Right. But Jon Stewart is like a freaking NPR listener who takes it seriously. He's just like, I'm just so over that. It's so mediocre.

You know what would be interesting about it? Because from the scene of him coming and trying to bully you guys to where you are today, you won. That's the point.

Well, I thought I won then. I'm a little out of it.

But you may have won.

Oh, I lost in the court of public opinion for sure. Right.

That's the part. But today, it's not even a conversation.

You were talking about the media business, and I had asked you, you said October seventh really split conservative media. Yes. It did permanently?

No, not at all. No. People are going to have their... Certain people, yes. But for the most part, Look at Marco Rubio. Oh, he's considered a vice presidential potential. What? After what happened, hands? Yeah, people move on. This is a very media-politic sport. You talk shit, you get pissed, cannot believe it, cliquish, all this stuff. And then eventually, somebody typically behind closed doors says, What matters more, your ego or America? Well, can I have both? Not all the time. Okay, then America. You're going to raise your kids here? Yes. All right, let's figure this thing out and we move on.

Well, I agree with that Completely. I'm surrounded by people who I once hated. So yes, I feel that way really, really strongly. Chris Cuomo, though, who I've already said I like, and I mean it, and I think is talented, is having trouble, from my read, reentering the conversation. People are still mad at Chris Cuomo about COVID. Is that your take on it?

Oh, absolutely. And by the way, even more now, by the way. Andit's more now. I think it's more now. And here's why it's more now. Because at least four years ago, one side loved him and the other side hated him four years ago. Now, both sides hate him. You may say, why? Very simple. So he was there to the left, to the establishment. He was a hero.

Yes.

You should take the vaccine. What is all this horse Ivermectin stuff? What's this all about? You're being irresponsible. Byron Donalds. Yes. What a great citizen Cuomo is, right? Face of CNN, Big Pharma, and all these guys. We like what he's doing, right? And the writer's like, Why are you making me take it? I don't want to take it. Let it be my choice. Now, you mean to tell me you're going from that position to on the podcast saying, I'm taking Ivermectin now? And yeah, I guess Joe Rogan was right. You're saying that now?

And I'm vax-injured.

And I'm not only vax-injured. And then when I ask him if COVID comes back in 2026, and they're forcing everybody to take the vaccine, would you take it? He says, Absolutely not. So you wouldn't take it. I wouldn't take it. Okay. So Obviously, when he says that, you have to keep in mind that, how does Fauci feel about that? Probably not good. How is people from CDC, the doctors, how do they feel about it? Probably not good. How about some of the people from his side that were all on a show and he was taking care of him, defending him? They can't stand him right now because what he's doing is he's bringing back something that's been under the rug and almost disappeared. Because Because everybody's now talking about what? Immigration. Everybody's talking about all these other issues. Immigration, election 2024. Yeah, what happened? What about the gain of function? Yeah, but forget about it. But let's focus on all this stuff. What about what China?

Let's talk about October seventh.

Exactly. So I think what he's doing is a massive risk.

But wait a second. Okay, so what you're saying makes sense on one side. Clearly, his former allies are mad. They feel betrayed. He's exposing the lies. But doesn't that give him new allies? I mean, I'm having dinner tonight, for example, with Glenn Greenwalt, who I love and consider a friend of mine. Sure. And Glenn Greenwalt must have written 50 Pieces Attacking Me, 20 Years ago. But then we aligned on a couple of big issues, real issues. And I'm happy to be friends with Glenn Greenwald. I've changed my views on a lot of issues. I believe in repentance. I think change is essential as the facts change, so it's your conclusions. This is all good. And so normally, the once was lost, now unfound people find a new home. But he doesn't seem to have found a new home.

No, because he hasn't repented and asked for forgiveness. And that's not easy to do.

It's so easy to do. It's the easiest thing there is.

I fucked up.

I'm sorry. That's the most simple, liberating act in life.

Yeah, but let me ask you a question. Here's a question for you. You're married, right? You're family. You have your kid. You got your thing. You got your community. Imagine all of a sudden, you get so close to Fauci, and you're all of a sudden hanging out with Rachel Madder. You guys are best friends. And you're hanging out with all these guys on the left. And suddenly, you sit there and say, No, the right was wrong. Everybody should take the vaccine. Everybody should go through it. Okay. Imagine you take a position like that suddenly. How does your wife feel about it? How does your family feel about it? How do your lineage of what you've done, your history, where you come from, how did they feel about it? You have to sleep next to your wife. Now, for Chris, this as he's going through this process, and you're talking to the guy off camera. My kids absolutely love this guy when he comes in. He wrest, does jiu-jitsu with my kids. They're doing this, they're doing that. Off camera, we have the most fiery He has arguments. Hour, two hour, three hour, just absolute like, boom, boom, boom.

And then, Hey, okay, man, I'll talk to you next week. Done, right? And a part of me, I'm not speaking on his behalf. This is something he needs to make a decision for himself is, when I go through it and I process it, he gives me zero vibes of somebody's on the left. Zero. Chris Cuomo? No, he's not someone.

Not even a little bit.

Let me explain what I mean.

It's almost like being around someone who is not in touch with himself, and he doesn't know what everyone else knows about him. And Chris Cuomo, you look at Chris Cuomo, it's like, you are in no sense a liberal, temperamentally, at all.

No, he's not. He's not a liberal. Now, he may be a center left guy. Okay, fine. He may be a center, maybe a He sent a right guy, economically right. Vaccine, not for it. Now, doesn't like what happened with it. When he thinks about certain things with military... There's so many things that you can go on, where the guy's going... He has risen. Who's the only person that text me when it's Easter or any of these. The first guy that text me, it's him. So spiritually, what he's going through? These are all stuff that you're looking at. Okay, maybe he's going through it. Maybe he's going through what he's doing right now. But for him to come out-He's afraid of the feminists.

That's part of it. I can feel that. I said that to him, right to him. He's afraid. If you care what the feminists think, and obviously you shouldn't because it's so degrading to care what they think, but then you have to mouth certain lies and you're required because you're afraid of the screachiness. But they don't respect you more for repeating their lies. They actually see you as a bitch when you do that. They want you to be strong. They're feminists in the first place because they haven't been around men who are just honest and direct and strong. So you cannot be afraid of them. And I really get the feeling like he can't say certain things because he's afraid of I put something above that, though.

I put his last name and his family above.

Yeah, well, I get that, though.

I have total sympathy for Chris. That's number one. His father, his brother, I put that as number one. And I feel like if he comes out and fully flips, he gets that. And the other part for me is a-What can I say?

I respect that. Yeah, I do. That's the one thing you're not being a bitch for respecting your father's legacy or remaining close to your brother. You should do that. So I feel for him.

Right. And then there's the other part of the school of thought of when you apologize, they will forever come after you. You should be careful to apologize. Never apologize. There's that community as well.

Who are those people? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Who's whoever's in your ear.

Never apologize?

You look like a fool if you don't apologize. You should not apologize. If they do, they will come after you for the rest of your life.

No, you should apologize only when you mean it. That's the rule. Don't lie. So of course, if you get caught up in some fake me too thing, you're like, I should have been more sensitive to unhappy 39-year-old unmarried women.

No. What mistakes did make that you apologize on?Oh.

My God, me?Give three of them.Assume he's watching.Being drunk a lot. Okay. I'm sorry, and I mean that. Supporting the Iraq war, working for Bill Crystal, being used to attack Pap Buchana, And basically being used when I was younger as a writer because I was just not aware of the larger cross currents. And I didn't follow my own instincts. I followed orders. Those are the marks of a weak man, and I was, and I'm embarrassed of that. I would... By the way, I apologize all the time. As long as it's sincere, then you win. Lying makes you weak. Telling the truth makes you strong. It's super simple.

You know it's crazy. Check this out. So one day, this is when all my content was on entrepreneurship, and we were running the top channel on YouTube for entrepreneurship. If you were to type in entrepreneur, 50 videos pulls up on the search, half of them were ours. We just owned the word entrepreneur, okay? And that led into the consulting from Baydivid Consulting. You go to baydivid. Com or Manect, all that stuff. That's the entrepreneur site. We would look at what words in the titles would do best. Words. Let's go through a couple of them. Rules, very good word for YouTube. 20 rules of whatever. 10 Rules of, whatever. So rules, for whatever reason, great word for YouTube. People want to get rules. 12 Rules for Life, Jordan Peterson. 20 20 Rules for Money, 7 million views on YouTube that I did 10 years ago. People want to learn the rules of money. Basic video. It's nothing crazy about it. 20 Rules for Money. Okay. Another word, and I'm going through this thing. As an entrepreneur, as a whatever. So seven keys to success as a parent, as an entrepreneur, as a journalist, as a doctor, as a student, as a whatever at the end of the title.

Okay? So that end of the title triggers back as a I'm a student. Boom. That audience, it's an evergreen title. People keep coming back and watching it. These are words. You know what's one of the most powerful words that we would put on titles? Absolutely crush it. Mistakes. Ten mistakes I made. Okay. So now, running an insurance company, anytime you and I would go up and we would only talk about the things we did right, one of the worst speeches you give.Of course.Nobody feels they can do it. So what I would do is sometimes I would get my best guys, and some guys that have gone through some stuff, and let's just say their ego is not allowing it, and I'm picking the topics for my guys. And all our guys already know what this is all about. I would say, Hey, you have 20 minutes at MGM Grand Arena. I want you to talk about the 10 biggest mistakes you made in your career. And they knew that would give me the smirk. Oh, shit, I'm going through it, right? So then we'd go to the event. And then there's ways you spin mistakes.

While the mistakes I made is trusting people tooCaring too much. It's always like... I don't know if you care like it said. I'm too good a person. The mistake is always on the other person. Like, Diddy's apology. Hey, I, I, I, I, It's disgusting to watch that. It's disgusting to watch that. But one of the most attractive qualities of a human being. There's a lot of qualities. You're looking at like, I just don't like that guy. I want to like you. I can't like you. You're annoying. One of the most attractive qualities of a human being is self-deprecation. When you can sit there and self-deprecate, laugh at yourself, make fun of yourself, the audience is like, Why is that so appealing?

Think it through.

Because none of us walk on water. We all make mistakes.

It telegraphs strength. That's what strong people do. Who refuses to apologize? Who refuses to admit fault? Who refuses to admit being human, making a mistake? People who are so fragile, they can't admit it. Weak people hide their weaknesses. Strong people are happy to admit them because they're transparent. They've got nothing to hide. That's a sign of strength. It's the surest sign of strength. In fact, it's the only sign of strength. So not apologizing diminishes you dramatically. You're fearful. That's why you can't apologize, right?

Yeah, but he's got to, again- I'm not talking about Chris, specifically, who, again, I really like.

I will say, just to be very clear, again, if he I can't fully apologize for the things he said that were demonstrably wrong because he doesn't want to dishoner the memory of his father or alien to his brother. I respect that. I do. It's worth wrecking your career to remain loyal to your family.

You know what I learned? We're on the same page there. Here's what I learned. Whoever you speak to, the last three people you speak to before you go to sleep have the most influence over you. The last people you speak to before you go to sleep.

What if it's a dog?

Well, that's good influence then. Yeah, it is. In my case, every night, it's a dog. One of mine is. One of mine is a very intimidating, massive... I don't know if you're into big dogs. I have a 15-pound shitsu. Extremely intimidating. But This guy loves me, and he makes me feel very confident, by the way. That's what matters. He believes in me, and that's where I get my source of confidence.

It's love, no matter how embarrassing the dog, as long as he loves you. He's amazing. That's what matters.

He's been my number one therapist for 15 years. When you look at the last three people you speak to, I can't take inventory I give that. But what are you talking? What do you think? What do you think? Sometimes you want to go through somebody and ask, What do you think? Maybe it's your wife, maybe it's your brother, maybe it's a former mentor, maybe it's a father. Whoever your what do you think community is, is the reason why you're making the decision the way that you are. That's for sure. The better the what do you think community you have, the better way you handle conflicts. I don't know the what do you think community is for Chris.

That's a really smart point. What's your relationship with him now? You're in a business relationship, right?

We're doing a debate next. Dave Smith called him out, and I know you're a Dave guy. I like Dave a lot. Dave's a talent. Yeah, I love Dave. Yeah, Dave's a... I think he's a star that can be a superstar in the right environment. That guy has what it takes to really strive. Anybody that gets a chance to sign him, they should. If he signs with somebody long term, five years, he finds a way.

Should he be a comedian or a political commentator?

I think he cares He's about policies more than comedy. I think he likes comedy. I think that's his creative side. But he has a serious side that he needs to find a way to tap into it. I don't know what his vision is. He knows what he wants to do with his life. But Dave and Chris will be having a Friday night debate at our Comedy Club Cigar Lounge in Fort Lauderdale, May 31st, 6:00 to 9:00 PM. Live audience.

Who's going to win?

Whoever is straight up and doesn't play politics.

It's asymmetrical, though, because Chris has, and I like them both. But first of all, Dave is a formidable debate appointment. Fantastic.

Yeah.

Fantastic. For real. Yeah. And very smart as a debate I can say that guy is good. But second, Dave can say whatever he wants. You know what I mean? He's already made his break with family members who disagree with him or whatever, but he's totally unencumbered. Chris is from a very famous His family, brother and dad, were governing the state of New York. It's hard.

I can tell you every day I visualize people calling him, telling him not to do it. Every single day, every day, Someone tell them, don't do the podcast in their own creative way. I said this when I announced it. So when it happens, the side of the establishment that doesn't want all this, the CDC guy comes out and you saw what he said, Hey, did you guys do any gain function? Rand Paul is asking Fauci, 2021. No, we didn't do any. There was no such thing of gain of function. And then there's the new guy, the CDC guy. I don't know if you saw this or not. Is there any such a... Well, in the general way of looking at this, yes, there was gain of function. No, it's not general or not. Was there or was there not? Yes, there were. You think that community wants more eyeballs going to this? No.

So Why is no one in prison? I mean, if you're doing gain of function research, in other words, if you're trying to make dangerous viruses more infectious and more dangerous in a world with a demonstrated history of lab leaks, thank you Lyme disease and all the rest that we know COVID have come from labs. You're gambling with the lives of millions of people. Why should you be allowed to do that? They're trying to put Trump in prison for the rest of his life on a documents charge. You brought home documents that are technically classified, but the guys are doing gain of fucking function research are walking free? Like, what?

How bad do you want to know to investigate those people?

Investigate? I mean, I think we know.

But the point is to hold them accountable to it, right?

How bad-It's just absolutely crazy. We're mad at guys with nose rings protesting outside Columbia. I mean, whatever. I'm not on their side, but who cares, actually?

But the point, the reason why I'm asking you the question is, the point why I'm asking you this question is, in order for that to happen, if the establishment from the left or the right is an office, You will never find out, ever find out. This is why we need more guys from the anti-establishment side to say, I'm really curious to the point where I'm going to go in there and find out.

How would you assess Bobby Kennedy?

I think Bobby Kennedy is a form of anti-establishment. And if I'm able to give people a score of reason and a true believer, meaning, can this guy truly reason? So you got family pride and stuff that It's part of your legacy. He's got the most powerful last name on the left. I think that's way ahead of Cuomo. It's Kennedy. There is no level of Kennedy. Cream of the crop at that level. What's his score for being able to reason? I think it's pretty high. I give him a high score for reasoning. On the podcast that we did together was a town hall. People are asking questions. I ask them, I said, So what do you stand with puberty blockers and transgender knowledge? I said, Honestly, I haven't done enough research to be for it or against us. I said, Bobby, you can't say that. Because it's not true. And by the way, you know what he said, though? If you posted the video, which went viral this two weeks ago, people were sharing it all over the place on Twitter. On the bottom, he said, he changed his position on this four months ago and no longer supports it.

Great. Guess what? That's a form of progress reason you're making that you could say, I was wrong. Here's where I stand with this now. Okay? All right, no problem. Vaccine. I'm sure you read the Fauci book he wrote. An absolute masterpiece of a book he writes. So he's got the COVID community, the vaccine community that didn't want to be forced to take it, who don't like Fauci. He's got that side. I put him as an anti-establishment, but I still think he's got a lot of stuff that's on the left as a Democrat, even though he's an independent. But I think he's a necessary voice. I do think he's going to get in the way, though.

Of?

Trump.

So the Trump people, I was talking to someone in his orbit several months ago, and my instinct was exactly what you just said. If you're against the status quo, you're by definition not voting for Joe Biden. So Kennedy takes... In other words, there's nobody who's choosing between Joe Biden and Bobby Kennedy. It's just that person doesn't exist. And so by definition, it's going to take from Trump. And the response I got was, Oh, he was really liberal on this, that, and the other thing, or is really liberal. But big picture, it seemed obvious to me he was going to hurt Trump.

There's no question about it. There's no question. So the part which is weird is when Biden's camp doesn't want to give him protection, doesn't want to put him on the stage. What is that? Again, this goes back to me wondering, either you have something up your sleeves Or you really think you have such an October surprise that you're going to leak to the world that Bobby is going to step out like the way they did with Herman Cain. No, I'm going to have to pause my campaign. So maybe there is something that you and I don't know about. What's going to come out? The guy has been around for a long time, 69, 70-year-old guy, family, girls, good-looking, accolades, background. What are they hanging on to that they're not leaking yet? I don't know. So why are they not afraid of the guy? These are all things that I wonder on what the left has, the establishment has that they know they're going to go after.

Maybe they're just dumb. They're dumber than we think.

I think they're more deceptive than you think.

Well, they're definitely more deceptive.

Yeah, I think they're very-But maybe they believe their own bullshit.

I mean, the peril of huffing your own fumes, of convincing yourself that Kamala Harris is impressive or something, or that Biden's not seen that. I think people are capable of-You think that's what it is, though, or you think it's more like it's an easier person to control?

I mean, if you look at people who raise money, if you go do a case study of people that ran for... Who are our top four non-establishment candidates of the last 70 years? Kennedy, partially Reagan, Trump. And then who else you got that's non-establishmentestablishment in the last 60 years? Ross Pro. Okay, Ross Pro. That's right. Ross Pro got to what? 19 points. Reagan, I think 9.6% of the funding for him running for office was his own money, I think. It was that number. Hillary Clinton, 100% donor-funded. Biden, pretty much 100 %. John F. Kennedy's father, Joseph, I think put 40 or 50 % of it. Trump, we know how much of it was his in 2016. Obama needed other people's. Everybody needed other people's money. So whoever that needs other people's money is controlled by the other people, which is the ideal candidate. So Kamala, for them, it's like that is the ideal person for them because they can control and say, Hey, checkmark. For the rest of your life, your Wikipedia is going to say vice president. Congratulations to you. Legacy cemented. We'll make a documentary for you. Give you a medal of honor.

You're good to go. Amazing. Go make some documentaries and go to whatever the shows are on, and you're going to be famous. Good for you, right? That's gone. But to me, a part of it, when they're looking at Kamala's or Biden, that's their favorite types of candidates. They don't like RFKs.

Are you kidding? But she's not... I think it's fair to say she's not electable on her own.

No, she's not.

So if you had to get her out of the way, Biden obviously incapacitated by mental decline, Kamala repugnant as a person, how do you fix that?

For this or 2028? For what? For this. There's only one person you can deal with. Only one person. Who? It's only Michelle. There's nobody else you can deal with. Let's play it out. Okay, let's play it out.

You don't think she's more disgusting?

No. To the left, she is the number one person on the leaders Bulletin. She's the number one draft pick for the left, maybe even ahead of Newsom, Michelle. But let me, again, my opinion, I could be wrong. I'm just giving you my POV on this. Okay, so let's plate. You get rid of a Kamala, and you put in Newsom, which they would love to have Newsom as a VP, and then you transition out, Well, Biden's going to be stepping down. June of 2025, Newsom is now the President. What an easy way of getting Newsom elected. The easiest way of getting Newsom elected is bringing him in. But okay, you and Announce. Kamala is stepping down. Great. What ammunition do you give to the greatest troll of all time on the other side to call you racist? It's done. What's Trump going to do if you get rid of Kamala and put Newsom in? Look what they did. All they talk about is female power and blacks and all this stuff. They put her back on the bus, and they replace her with Newsom. Shame on the Democrats. They're the most racist. Can't you already see it?

Easy playbook for them, right? But if they bring in instead of Kamala, Kamala comes in, and there's not enough time for a Supreme Court justice type of a position. But say Kamala comes in behind closed doors. Say Kamala. You come out and you say something's going on with the family. Something happened.

I don't think she has a family, does she?

Cancer, scare, whatever. Something's going on. Cancer, scare is the easiest one. Because everyone's going like, Oh, my God. And hey, God willing, we were able to avoid a chemotherapy, and she didn't have to go through it. This is so thank you for all your prayers that none of this stuff happened. They came to me and we were talking. As a collective, I think Newsom is the most qualified. That's going to be problematic. But if you bring Michelle in, that's It's easy. It's a very easy fit to bring her in. The question then becomes, does Michelle want to be a VP? Is her ego a VP person? Does she want to come out of the life? Can I intercede for one second?

She's never had a real job in her life. This is who?

Sorry? This Is it Michelle or Conrad? Yeah, Michelle.

Okay. She has nothing in common with any American. She's nasty. She's a hater, clearly. She's utterly ungrateful for every Very special advantage she's been given her entirely. She went to Princeton on a free ride, and she's mad at Princeton, really? I mean, everything about her is mediocre, mean, dumb, and not a single achievement in her entire life other than marrying this guy in a fake marriage. On what grounds could that person run the country?

Don't be naive, Tucker. You're talking about one of us.

You're being super naive.

Are you kidding me? Do you know which one of these political figures sold 36 million copies of her book, one person. Her book about what? It doesn't matter.

More whining from a rich lady?

36 million people bought her book, bro. Do you realize the amount of influence this-Let's just pause and consider that decision.

You're walking through Barnes & Noble or Walmart, and you see Michelle Obama's book for sale. What causes you to buy something like that?

You're talking from your perspective?

This is a book that she not only didn't write, but probably hasn't read. Why would you buy something? And then you have Michelle Obama's name in your house. What signal are you sending? What could possibly compel you to do something like that?

You can say all that you want.

No, but it's true.

What is that? But that's not the point. The point is she is a rock star for the left. She is a rock star for the left. She'll be edified and glorified by everybody.

They love anything that's ugly and bad and mediocre, don't they? People have different tastes, man. No, but that's not even a taste. It's like, look, you could say of Al Sharpton, who I vehemently disagree with. But Al Sharpton is a self-created person, actually. And Al Sharpton is pretty smart. And Al Sharpton is doing a lot of things about Al Sharpton that are bad, for sure. But at least Al Sharpton has lived a life. Michelle Obama, same with Trump. Maybe you hate Trump. Okay, you think he's vulgar. You think of him as, but he's a self-created guy. Number one TV show in the country. Michelle Obama has literally done nothing except whine about the white man for 60 years. What? That's not a qualification.

You're assuming that doing anything is a qualification to run on the left.

I know, but I'm just saying they zero in on the most repulsive images and people. It's like they're an X-ray, a reverse image of everything that's beautiful and dignified and virtuous.

If she runs, you have no idea how formidable she would be.

But it's I feel like the ug or something is, the more they love it.

Well, maybe that is, again, maybe that-Physically and spiritually.

Let me ask you a question.

Who is more formidable? Her or Joe Biden?

I mean, probably Michelle, I would think.

Then the Another question becomes for you as- But then you wonder, is there a bottom to white guilt?

Because Michelle Obama's fake husband got him elected because white people got him elected. That wasn't... Black people didn't do that.

Yeah.

Is that played out? Like you're We're going to say that a woman who compounds in Hawaii and Martha's Vineyard is somehow like, it's a victory for civil rights or something. What would be the rationale? Are we at the end of that cycle where people have to vote for someone like that?

So try to... The devil's advocate. Let's play devil's advocate. You're on the left.

Yeah.

Okay. Who are your top five candidates, most qualified that you can help as the establishment? You get everybody behind this person. Who's your top five draft pick on the left to be a president?

Jimmy Dore.

That would never happen on the left. Are you kidding me? You're so fucked.

I'm thinking of the actual left.

I'd run for Jimmy Dore. Jimmy Dore is a stud. He's phenomenal. He's the best. That's what he does. Honest, man. To think about your them. You are them. You're in the room with them. Who's their top five?

I mean, I guess, I don't know who's mentally retarded and transgender. I guess that's... No, but I'm serious. That's how they think. What's the most repulsive thing we can do? What's the opposite of What's the farthest from the actual truth? Who's the least competent? What's the ugliest building we can build? What's the most putrid painting we can create and call it art?

You wouldn't say Newsom, number one, Michelle, two. You wouldn't go Gretchen. You wouldn't put that as a top five. That's their profile of candidates. That's the profile of their- But those people are jokes. It's not about being a joke. It's about who they can control and get the job done through them. But what's the job? Well, are you kidding me? Establish certain controls that nobody can touch.

Just steal shit. Just steal shit. That's basically what it is. Let the stealing proceed.

Well, I mean, without getting caught, and you create the law. I mean, if you create the law, you're protecting yourself. Oh, I've noticed. Yeah. So, by the way, are you following closely what's going on with Iran, with Raisi?

Well, I mean, to the extent you can know, yeah, I mean, I've certainly followed it.

Are you seeing like-Just another aircraft crash, just a tragic accident. It happens all the time to presidents of a different country. It seems to. What do you think it is? What do you think it is behind? I have some thoughts, but what do you think it is?

I mean, it's either an internal power struggle. We talked about this last night. And within Iran, or it's the US or Israel or a combination of those two. I mean, those are the obvious suspects. I don't know the answer.

Do you know who Moshhtaba Khomenei is?

Sort of, yeah. We talked about last night.

So he's the second oldest son of the Supreme Leader of Khamenei. Do you know what his networth is? His, just the son's networth.

Hundreds of millions, I would think.

$3 billion. $3 billion? Type it in. You'll see it. It's $3 billion. Now, this is reports that are coming in, what he's worth. Now, how is he worth $3 billion? Because he started Twitter. Well, because he said, of course-He's just an energetic, innovative man. Unbelievable entrepreneur. Very innovative. He created the Facebook of Iran, right? So this guy is in the running to be the next Supreme Leader of Iran. There's two candidates. There is Ibrahim Raisi, and there is Xamenei's son. Now, Xamenei's family has been estimated to have a networth of roughly $200 billion. Xamenei's family. How they accumulated that? Who knows? Some of the most innovative people in the world, apparently, to get to $200 billion. Innovatively stealing money from taxpayers, innovatively getting money from different places. But regardless, it's innovative on what they've done. Why would this family, ultimate nepotism, why would they want Raïsi to become the Supreme Court? Fair. You have to give a little bit of credibility. I do. Because in the past, Raaf Sanjani, which we talked about last night, Raaf Sanjani was a guy that died at 82 years old as the President, and he died from a heart attack.

That's not what his family believes on what happened to him. It's very easy for us right off the bat to say, Oh, it's Israel. Oh, it's US. Oh, you know what? If US wouldn't put the sanctions on us, we would have better helicopters where this wouldn't happen, whatever city was in Taberine. But Iran, going through that with some of their power plays they're going to be going through today with Khomenei, it's going to be interesting to see.

I mean, assassinating a sovereign state, assassinating the leader of another sovereign state, not a good precedent to set, not a good idea. Almost no matter who it is, we didn't assassinate Hitler, we didn't assassinate Stalin, we didn't assassinate Mao. There's a reason that you probably don't want to get into the assassinations game because you don't know where it's going to wind up. It's reckless, super reckless behavior. I like to believe, I want to believe what you just said. That does sound like an absolute possibility. I don't want to believe that states are knocking off one another's leaders because, again, you don't know where that winds up. Maybe there should be a informal agreement not to assassinate each other.

Oh, yeah, for sure. And not to do it internally. But again, you go back and play the ambitious game. Well, internally, it's a totally different game. This could be a game of ambition, of who wants to control the Irans, the resources for many, many years to come. And this guy was only 63 years old, Raïsi, when he passed away. This is not a-And the six other guys, too. Right.

Does the US wind up in a war with Iran?

It's looking like it. It does look like it. It's looking like it that we're about to go there.

What do you think of that?

I'm not as worried about it with Iran. For a couple of different reasons. Iran... Now, here's the thing. I'll give you both sides of it. The part that I'm not worried about it, Iran's always been, when Trump took out Ghassam Soleimani, who was a number two guy at the time, this is the guy that was leading pretty much all the proxy wars and all the proxy military, Hezbollah Hruti. This is a very, very legit power player, Soleimani. So you take him out and you say, I took him out. I did it. My name is Trump. I took him out. In your face, right? There's no way we're going to let Trump and America get away with it. Watch what we're going to be doing. They intentionally threw some missiles in an area where there was no soldiers, so nothing happened. But then they're like, Look at us. We showed strength. No, you really didn't. Now, what's changed from Soleimani till today? A lot. A lot. The world has changed. It's called 25-year, $400 billion contract from US's number one enemy called China. It's During the same time, Russia had an okay relationship with US. Now, we're in a proxy war with Russia through Ukraine that we're funding left and right.

But we're in a direct war. I mean, there are US military personnel fighting Russia from Ukraine.

Well, I want to be a little bit more diplomatic. Well, it's just truth.

I don't think the average person understands just how crazy this has gotten.

On how deep we are there, right? Okay, so then Russia is going to side with who? With us or Iran, their neighbor, Caspian Sea. Who are they going to side with? So this is the part where you're like... So Iran is no longer Iran. Iran is essentially one of the eyes in bricks.

Exactly.

India, Iran. So I don't know. So going up... Remember the story I told you about-So then it escalates from regional conflict to world war conceivably very fast. I think we're already in world war, just like nobody wants to say it. We were already in a recession a year and a half ago.

How unnecessary is all this? How How insane is all this? How does this help my family, my country?

It doesn't help your family or country, but you have to go back to who the customer is. In order for the military contractors to make money, they need wars. In order for many of these other business models to make money, they need crisis. In order for a Vanguard or a BlackRock to get a $400 billion, I think it's Vanguard, but I do know it's BlackRock, to get a $400 billion contract to to rebuild Ukraine, you need Ukraine to be destroyed to rebuild it. If Ukraine isn't destroyed, you don't need to rebuild. These are all great business models for these folks.

But you know how it ends. It ends with the destruction of everything It's worth having, actually.

Only if they keep the power. Only if they keep the power.

But they can't foresee the future. These are not people with fine motor skills. They overstate their own power and foresight. And once you get into something like this, you have no fucking idea where it ends. You have no idea. Things can go sideways so fast. You can't control events. You think you can, you can't. That's true in your family, and it's true geopolitically. And so you think you got it all fine-tuned. It's like some Ruben Goldberg thing. And then this happens, that happens. And what we're going to do is we're going to kick Russia out of Swift. Actually, that will cause internal revolt within Russia, and they'll depose Putin. And it's You can't game this stuff out. There are too many variables, and you could easily wind up in a nuclear exchange.

What do you think their insurance policy is?

You think they sit down and worry about what's- I have no idea. I hope they have submarines because I don't know how... I think they're actually destroying the country that they live in. That's what I think. And that's why I think it's supernatural.

It's psychotic to me. Well, it is psychotic. But in their minds, they're protected. In their minds, they're protected. In their minds, not at all. But their wealth? Yeah. In their mind. These people are so stupid.

Money worshippers are so stupid. Oh, my wealth will protect me. Okay. How many people have thought that? A lot. Jeffrey Epstein thought that. Everybody thinks that. That's the lie of wealth. It's going to protect you.

Diddy thought about that. Diddy is like, Oh, they're not going to do anything to me. And watch what's going to happen to Diddy next. Did you see his apology video?

I haven't been following Mr.

Diddy. Well, they show the video of... I know you probably, obviously, probably listen to a lot of hip hop. You give me the vibes of it. I do, yeah.

Yeah, so Diddy... Aficionado.

Yeah, I can totally see it. So Diddy The video comes out of him beating Cassie, his ex-girlfriend, that within 24 hours, they settled for $30 million, and that story was gone a year ago or something like that. So finally, the video comes out. From 2016, this video, he's hitting her in the head, pulling her hair, dragging her in the middle of the hotel.

Who beats women? I don't want to be racist or anything, but you're not supposed to beat women, right? Yeah.

Well, Diddy, a few years ago, was commenting on Chris Brown and Rihanna's This is a controversy on Ellen Degenera, and he says, Let's just pray for them because we don't know what they're going through. Let's pray for them before we assume what they're going through. Let's just pray for them. Maybe that's what he's going through right now, and then they leaked a video.

It's all these guys who grew up with single mothers and are really mad at women. Sorry.

Yeah. Have you seen the numbers of how we went from single mothers in 1960 to today?

The matriarchy leads to wife beating. I'm just telling you that. A man with a strong father does not beat women. For sure. You can't beat women. You don't send them off to fight your wars. You don't beat them up. You treat them with respect. That's the man who grew up in a household with a strong father. The man who grew up in a household with a mom, loving but also arbitrary and flaky, that guy hates women. He becomes a womanizer, not in a fun way, in a bad way. Abusive. Abusive, exploits women, and then he beats them up. There's a direct connection. You're not going to find many wife beaters who grew up with a strong dad at home, but you'll find a ton who grew up with mom. It's one of the many ironies that we don't acknowledge, but we should acknowledge it. If you care about preventing violence against women, encourage two parent families with real dads. Don't fight the patriarchy, embrace the patriarchy, and you get less wife beating.

So you can... So by the way-Am I right?

I'm just taking a check with your wife. For sure. Yeah.

So by the way, when you process it that way, that goes back to me thinking, we need to change incentives, because in In '60s, only 4% of kids were born to an unwed mother, like a single mother. Today, it's 41%. From 4% to 41%.

That's not liberation, you don't think?

Oh, you're kidding me? That's catastrophic. That's problematic.

But that's what fighting the patriarchy looks like. Beating up women and mugging them on the street, sending them off to fight your stupid wars.

But listen, they're not selling family values. They're not selling having kids. They're not selling the value of raising a kid. They're not selling the The incentive program is created to be divorced, to stay single, to keep having kids, to stay on welfare. The incentive program is created for me to stay entitled for my entire life, relying on some welfare. And by the way, both you We might have four kids, right? We're talking about it last time. I got four kids. Crazy number. I wish I had eight.

But yeah.

I wish I had 20. Yeah, me too.

We keep going. Revisit the polygamy thing.

Well, we can, again, if we have new policies, we can potentially consider that, right? Okay. I tell my wife, I'd keep her pregnant. She'd have three-month break every year, and we'd be pregnant for 20 years. She'd be pregnant for 20. It sounds like fun. But can you imagine going to dinner? Yeah, we'd like to make a reservation for dinner tonight. How big is your party? Part of 24.I'd love that.I'd love that.

You sit at the end of the patriarch, all the little pups lying down on the other side.

You're assuming they don't have girlfriends or boyfriends, so maybe it's like party of 40.Yeah.Let's just shut down the restaurant.I love that.

I want to be a Beduin tribal leader.

Hitting the hubbly-bubly in my tent.

Check this out.

Watch this. Crazy data. Crazy data. You ready? So in 1960, every year, 4.3 million kids are born in 1960. Every year in 1960, 1.7 million people roughly die every year. 4.3 born, 1.7 die. It's a net positive of 2.6 million. You're with me so far.

1960. 1960. Then you murder a president.

That's right. Four years later, so come to today, that number. Number of kids being born, roughly A number of kids being born, 3.2, 3.3 million. Number of people dying, 2.7, 2.8 million. We went from 2.6 million more people being born than dying to only 500,000 more people being born than dying. Fertility rate, lowest ever in America, 1.6. There's this new trend. I don't know if you consider joining it or not. It is a little rebellious if you're thinking about it. This community called the LGBTQ Community. They attract rebellious people. You get to do whatever you wanted. You get to cut things off. It's actually very interesting what's happened with it. It's a new hot thing. I don't know if you're following it. It sounds like fun. Obviously, that's going to prevent from having kids because if you cut your dangling off, it's hard to have kids.

But I'm sure that's not part of the plan or anything.

No, they would never do such a thing. It's a noble thing. But you look at this, to me, there's a lot of numbers we can look at that's concerning. 2.6 more kids being born, million kids than to 500,000 now, and we're having fewer kids. We're not endorsing marriage, family. The incentive program is not for that. How much longer until we're sitting here and these folks are living longer and we're not having enough of replacement? How much longer? I mean, you saw China They hit the one child policy, 1.1. At the bottom of the list right now, I think it's South Korea at 0.83. We're at 1.61..

The obvious solution, if you're South Korea or China, is just invite Haiti to move in. Why aren't they doing that?

That's the noble thing to do.

No, it's absolutely necessary. I mean, who's going to watch over your elders in long-term memory care?

Yeah, they need a guy. Are you following the Jimmy story with Barbecue? The guy named Barbecue in Haiti?

Oh, of course, in Haiti.

Yeah.

Where do you want to be in 10 years?

I think I'm not born here, so I can't run for President. That's out. I have a certain set of values and principles that I'm not compromising, and we're going to fight for as long as we can. If God keeps me healthy, there's only one person that can fire me. I'm going 40 years. We'll end up having one of the most influential, biggest consulting firms in America, including worldwide. Right now, we consult for roughly 5,000 businesses from 60 countries that we do engagements for. That's bit David Consulting.

Can I ask a dumb question? Of course. What does that mean to consult?

You come in, you're trying to raise capital, you need help putting a pitch deck together, we can help you with that. You're in a place where your marketing campaign isn't working, you want to help us put a better creative marketing campaign for you, we'll help you with that. Your comp plan to pay your employees, you don't You don't know how to set up a proper variable comp or structure the equity or profit sharing in your sales guys, you're considering your comp is flat and you need to find a way to improve it, we'll help you with that. You want to expand into a different marketplace, we'll help you with that. You want to find a C-suite executive and you don't know what's the right way to interview and what qualities to look for or what job description to put, we'll help you with that. These are things that we're going to focus on the small business owner side because that's a language that we speak comfortably. Last year, I held an event called the Valt Conference. Tom braided was at the event. We're holding this one this year at Palm Beach Convention Center. We're expecting nearly 10,000 people to be there.

For three and a half days, we talk purely business, strategy, growth, all of that. The consulting firm is a big part of our pillar of what we're going to be doing. Product development on Manect, the Manect app. I don't know if you heard about the Manecd app. It's grown exponentially. Quarter to quarter, we're up 780%. The whole thing with Manecd is, eight years ago, I call a lawyer. I have a seven-minute call with him. He bills me for 30 minutes. I call him, I say, Why are you billing me for 30 I have the number here. He had a seven-minute call. He says, Minutes roll up. I said, Not to 30 minutes. Maybe to 10 minutes. He says, No, it's 30 minutes. I said, What do you charge by the minute? He says, No lawyer charges by the minute. I said, One day I'm going to create a website or an app that I get to pay people by the minute. So do you have a minute to connect? Let's connect. So whereas most places you email somebody and the response rate, a cold email is less than 1% that someone's going to... Somebody cold response, Hey, Tucker, I'd love to talk to you about a job.

What's the chances you're getting back to that person in an email? Probably slim to none, right?

I don't do email, so yeah, pretty low.

On Instagram, it's 3% response rate. On Twitter, it's five. On LinkedIn, it's 8%. On Manect, you're paying to get a respond back. So you're paying a person $50, $100, $300, $500, and they respond back to you because you're respecting their time. Our response rate right now is 94% they get back to you, and over 50% of the time they get back to within 24 hours. So we have the consulting, we have the product development, we have the media side. On the media side, I think the media landscape right now is wide open. It's filled with a lot of talented people, some that are driven by money, some that are driven by Fame, a few that are driven by values and principles. We're driven by values and principles and a vision, and it's pure conviction. It's not like, I need another nice car, I need another nice house, or I need Not however much money in the bank. No. We have a real vision, a real cause that we're going to go for 40 years. I think at the end of the day, 10, 20, 30 years down the line, they're going to look at this thing and say, Oh, wow, this is one of the most influential companies in the world.

That's what we're going to be doing.

I can't assess the rest, though. Congratulations. But I can assess the media part of it, just having worked in it. We are at a pivot point for sure. All of a sudden, you have all these independent voices, some of them bigger than the established voices because legacy media is obviously dying. But do those independent media figures come together at some point?

If they did, are you kidding me? I mean, that would be very intimidating if that was to happen. Because the market wants everything divided. That's what the enemy wants. The enemy wants everybody divided. They can bully and push around if you're divided because you can't build a household influential thing being if you're divided. If we can bring everybody together, and Ciscero said, One of the problems why empires fall is because everybody wants to know who got the most credit. I did it. No, if it wasn't for me, and that's the challenge with sometimes people on the conservative side, everybody It's a credit, right? Yeah. If some of these guys can unite and work together, the enemy is not going to like that. That's going to be very, very scary for the enemy because they're not used to that. They're used to dividing and pinning everybody against everyone. It's an easy art of war, sansu. It's nothing new. Divide and conquer, easily. They do it all the time. But if some of these guys can set aside their egos and find a way where each can individually win and collectively win, game over. It's going to be a fun next 10, 20 years.

Patrick, I bet, David.Thank you very much.Thank you.

Really enjoyed it.I will see you again.I look forward to it. Thank you.

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