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I can't believe I'm here. Thank you for having me. This is wild. It makes me feel much better. Thank you. Oh, yeah. Thank you very much. I can't believe I'm, I can't believe I'm here. I woke up yesterday morning in the little rural town where my wife and I live with our many, many dogs. And it was 40 degrees, and I woke up at like five in the morning. The dogs were like, what do you know? If you stir early, the dogs resent it, particularly the females. Very entitled. But anyway, and I thought, I can't believe I'm getting on the road for a month to coast to coast, 16 different cities. And weirdly, it put me in such a good mood. It put me in such a good mood, and I just couldn't. I love where I live and I'm totally happy there, but I just couldn't wait to see other people who I'm on the same page with. I just couldn't wait. I couldn't wait. And I feel like it's really important. I spent a lot of time, I've been fishing very intensely recently, trying to think this through. And there is something about being outside in the quiet running water that sort of opens up your brain.

And I do think that the two things that hold people who have my beliefs, your beliefs back, is one, the feeling that you're totally isolated, which is by design. Like, they give you the feeling that all the things that you're upset about are totally fine. And it's always been this way. It's always been this way. Are you crazy? Like, you're nuts. There have always been, like, all these vagrants, like, living on the sidewalk. You don't remember that? Are you a freak? You some kind of fascist? Shut up. And you're like, oh, maybe there's something wrong with me. And the second feeling that they give you by design is that there's nobody else in the world who agrees with you. You're just this island alone, like, sitting, fuming in your living room. Yeah, well, that is. I don't want to repeat the profanity someone just used to describe it, but it is not true. In fact, the opposite is true. You are not a freak. You are not a fascist. You're not a malcontent. There is nothing wrong with you. You're not the crazy person. You're the normal person. Your desires are totally normal. You have no desire for, like, world domination.

What? You have no desire to tell your neighbors what to do. You don't stay up late worrying about the sex lives of people in Brooklyn, whatever. You don't really want to know the details of the sex lives of people in Brooklyn because it's weird to. But you're kind of happy to let them do their thing. They don't feel that way at all about you. They stay up late worrying that somewhere in some small town, maybe in Alabama, or here in Maricopa County, Arizona, there's somebody who disagrees with them. And they want to control you on the basis of that. Because it's not politics, of course, it's a religion for them. And I would guess that a lot of people in this room already have a religion, and they don't need to worship politicians as gods. They don't think political parties are churches. They're instruments to give them space to do the things that really matter to them, like find a mate, have children, do something useful in the world, maybe have grandchildren, maybe sit at the head of the table as a patriarch or matriarch. Like, these are the things that matter. Those are not freakish desires.

That's the essence of what it is to be normal and well adjusted, where you have a personal life that you don't necessarily share on Instagram because not everything is for public consumption. You're allowed to have your own eccentric little opinions. You're allowed to have relationships with other people that aren't on public display. You're allowed to live a life without being spied upon, because privacy is a prerequisite for freedom. You'll notice they, they spent, you know, decades telling you about the right to privacy, which is really what I was saying. Abortion's great, but they had no interest in privacy whatsoever. And anyone who does have an interest in privacy would be a little concerned by the fact that your phone is literally listening to you at all times and that your every movement, your every utterance is being tracked by governments, by business. Is that privacy? No. That's like something that the north korean government would like to achieve but can't. And our government has. And that's no problem for them at all, because they don't care about privacy, because they don't care about the individual, and they don't care about your interior life or your right to have one.

No, they believe in the collective. They believe in the group over the person. They don't acknowledge the individual as a meaningful category at all. And so when, you know, their president is revealed as senile, no problem. Just slip in somebody else. It doesn't make any difference at all, because it's not about the person. It's about the group. And if you're wondering, like, what that was where, what everyone in this room has been saying for four years, which the president has no idea where he is, they were forced to admit that. And all of a sudden, the guy just disappeared. Like, never saw him again, went to Rehoboth and never came back. And they throw in this other chick who, like, 20 minutes ago, we were all making fun of for being Montel Williams old side piece. And now she's the, she's not just the single most accomplished human being in the history of western civilization. She actually created western civilization. But she's also a religious figure at the level of, say, the Buddha. She's a font of joy. Do you feel joy? It comes from her. She's a living river of joy. Give her thanks for your joyous.

What? Montel Williams side piece is the source of all my joy. Really? Does anyone really believe that? Well, no normal person believes that. But people who could care less about the individual, the distinctions between people. This sort of person doesn't even acknowledge that individuals have names and souls because they are created not by the government, but by goddess. If you don't acknowledge that, then it doesn't matter who the person wearing the crown or holding the nomination is. Doesn't matter. It's irrelevant because it's about the organization. It's not about you. You are irrelevant. You live as a worker, be only to serve the collective. That's a totalitarian worldview. That's not a normal worldview. That's a diseased worldview. That's sick by definition. If you begin to think of other human beings not as people, as individuals with names and souls and hopes and opinions, but as instruments, as little widgets waiting in a bin to be assembled for your greater glory, if you start to think of people like that, there's nothing you can't do to them. There's nothing you can't justify doing to them, up to and including really hurting them. And you've seen that in movement after movement throughout world history, where a leader decides, these aren't actual people, these are whatever.

They're voters, they're cannon fodder. They're worker bees. They don't matter. That's the mindset. And this country, of course, was founded on the opposite precept. The precept that God created people and the land and the birds and the deer and the dogs over whom we have dominion, but we did not create them. We didn't create animals. We didn't create mountains. Somebody else created them. God created them. We can't destroy them because we didn't make them. And the country was based on that true idea. And if you didn't make something, if you don't own something, you have to show respect to it. It's not yours. Other people don't belong to you. Actually, there's a limit to what you can tell them to do, because they're not objects. And it was on that idea that this country flourished as the freest place in human history. That idea was a pretty simple idea, but again, it's an acknowledgement of what is true. We don't have absolute power. We have some power. We have a standing army. We've got a massive legal code. But there are limits to what we can do to you because we don't own you, because you're not slaves, you're free people because God created you.

We didn't. And that's often described as a radical idea. I don't think it is. I think it's table stakes. I think it's reality. That's just fundamentally true, whether you acknowledge it or not. And our government was forced to acknowledge it because of our founding documents, famously so. I would say that people on our side have completely misframed the debate over, say, free speech. It's not just annoying or awoke when someone punishes you for giving your opinion. It's totalitarian. It's the first step to hurting you, because it's a sign that they don't consider you human. You can't tell another human being what to believe because you don't own that person. It's literally that simple. So this is just a long way of saying what I really wanted to convey, which is how grateful I am to be in a room full of thousands of people who know that, don't just know that intellectually, but feel it. And I just hope that you remember, no matter what happens after this, and it's the beginning of September of an election year, so I can promise you America will not look as it does today in two months. It won't.

It won't. A lot's going to happen that we can't control or predict. But trust me, it'll be a different place by the first week in November. But no matter what happens, and I'm praying for good outcomes, of course, I know everybody in this room is, no matter what happens, just remember that you are not weird. Weird. So weird. Say they castrate your children. People. It's just weird. Okay. Say that. Well, I love you, too, and. But what I wanted to say is everyone, every kind of normal person, which is the overwhelming majority of people in this country and this world, actually, particularly in this country, no matter where they're from, no matter what they look like or who they voted for in the past, they know that. They know that, and they all want the same things. And I would say 80% of the ruling class's time is spent convincing us to hate each other. And, you know, one of the reasons it's such a thrill for me to travel is that there's so little actual experience of hate when you're wandering around. I mean, I think of myself probably correctly, it's one of the most hated people in America.

And no, I'm not whining about it. I don't care. You know, badge of honor. But no, I don't want to make it about me. But I'm just saying, like, just ask yourself, when was the last time that you were, I don't know, on your front lawn or at Walmart or standing in line at the DMV and you heard one person attack somebody else in the basis of, like, race. I'm 55. I've never heard that. Not one time. I've lived here the whole time. That's actually not what the country's like. People are really nice to each other. By and large. People are really warm to each other. They actually have a lot in common with each other. And if you watch the way the country is portrayed, driven by racial tension. The horrifying legacy of America. All right, stop. You're boring me. But you're also lying to me. That's not the america I live in at all. People are pretty nice. You sort of deal with people individually, and you don't kind of see them as some alien. They're like Americans. They're just like you. Kind of distressed about inflation and their mortgage payments and how their kids are doing, and they don't want to castrate their kids.

Please. It's like nine freaky rich ladies in Santa Monica want that. That's it. You know, that's just not a common thing. It's not. That's just not. It certainly happens a lot. I would say it's a disproportionate amount of, like, fourth grade school teachers. I happen to notice as someone who married a fourth grade school teacher, I don't know what happened to that group. A lot of them have gone insane. But, sorry. Just true. I used to love fourth grade. I was proud to marry a fourth grade teacher. They're so sweet. This is pre castration. Now I'm kind of freaked out by them, but whatever. Outside of a couple small pockets of truly unhappy, miserable people who've never had a sound night of sleep in their life, who don't have a single functioning personal relationship, who hate themselves so much that they have to transfer that hate onto strangers aside from them, most people are like. They think it's bizarre because it is. They think all of this is bizarre. More drug addicts? Like, who wants that? Nobody wants that. There's nothing sadder than addiction. There's nothing sadder than watching people kill themselves. Like, it's just awful.

And it's being pushed on us by people who are truly in misery, who deserve our prayers, but their desires are not an accurate measure of what the country is actually like. And so to stand in a room full of people or to travel across the country from my weird little remote place where I live and encounter not a single person who yells at me or just like, hey, man, I don't agree with you, but it's great to meet you, or whatever. Everyone's just so nice. And I have to say, as someone who spent his life in the media, and I won't go on about this, but 33 years in the media, it really makes me despise them. Truly. Not just for lying, but for the divisive nature of their lies. You know, if you make people hate each other, I'm not sure there's a graver sin than that. You know? And if you're a parent, you know, can you imagine anything darker than convincing your own children to dislike each other? It's the deepest hope in the heart of every parent that his or her children will love each other. That's the thing that you leave behind, is the love between your children for each other.

Not for you, you're going to die, but for each other. And that's the thing that gives old people comfort as they pass out of this world, is the knowledge, the certain knowledge their children will continue the family through their love of each other. And so, as a parent, any normal parent like you don't have to read a parenting book to come to this conclusion. It's a product of your deepest instinct and desires. You want the people in your care to love each other and get along. And it takes a truly sick puppy to want the opposite.

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So I would just say two things and we're gonna sit and do a show with one of my all time favorite people, Russell Brand, who's such a, by the way, if I can just say, not to digress, you can imagine having dinner with me. It's like no one can stay on the topic. But Russell Brand is such a perfect example of what I was just talking about. Russell Brand and I have right about zero in common. He's from another land. He is what we used to call a foreigner when I was at CNN. By the way, I love the word foreigner. I think it's hilarious. And they came into my office one day. I worked for CNN for years. I was never liberal, just on the record. But you know, it was a different time. It was the nineties. And I called someone a foreigner and I. The standards in practice. This chick comes into my office and she goes, well, I just want you to know what seen on our standards prohibit the use of foreigner or foreign. There's no such thing as foreign. We call it international. And I wanted to say, you are a Wellyn freak.

Get out of my office before I vomit. But I was like 29 and so I didn't. I was like, okay, so over the next week, I must have used the phrase I have an international object in my eye, like six times. When you work in television, particularly for like a humorless fascist regime like the cable news network, you find ways to amuse yourself. It's like the Vietnam pows blinking so's with their eyelids. Like you just want. You want to feel like you're still human.

You know what I mean?

It's these little acts of resistance that keep you joyful inside. But anyway, so Russell Brand is a foreigner. He's from a foreign country called the UK. Russell Brand was a movie star. I haven't seen a movie since the late nineties. Russell Brand is obviously kind of like alternative. If you haven't seen Russell Brand, you'll know what I'm talking about in just a minute. And Russell Brand has for his whole life been a man of the left. And so I didn't know that much about Russell brand other than he's like international. Pardon me, foreign famous person. And somebody sent me a YouTube clip. YouTube clip about three years ago of Russell Brand talking into camera. He's just remarkably articulate, like God given eloquence that the rest of us just really envy. But he was explaining what was going on with the COVID lockdowns. And it was so resonant, it was like something. It was like a tuning fork. When you hear something that's true, even if you don't have evidence to support that it's true, the truth rings in your head differently from a lie. If you've had this experience, when you hear the truth, it has an effect on you, and you just know.

You just know in your soul that's true. You couldn't defend it in court, but you don't need to because, you know, and I'm watching this guy, and I'm just, I don't think I've been that thrilled watching a YouTube video. Most of my YouTube videos are about tying trout flies. So, you know, I've got a pretty boring diet on YouTube. But this video, I just thought, this guy, we have nothing in common whatsoever. I'm sure he hates me. I'm sure he's on the record hating me, and I'll google myself. So I've never checked, but this man is on the same page I'm on. We're hearing the same music. He knows what's true, and he's in that weird, very small percentage of people who know what's true and are brave enough to say, so who've made this decision, like, I just don't care. Or maybe I do care, but I'm gonna do it anyway. And of course, the definition of courage is not, not being afraid. People with head injuries are not afraid. They don't know to be. The definition of courage is doing something when you are afraid and jumping out of the airplane anyway. And that's what I was watching, this man.

I thought to myself, this guy is really famous. And he's famous in the entertainment business, which has no sense of humor about dissent whatsoever. He'll never be in a movie again, and he's doing it anyway. And by the way, people on the right don't even like him. It's not like he's jumping to his natural home among american conservatives. Scott's like a freak. Are you kidding? I'd be like, who's the long haired Brit? Like, no, thanks. And then all of his buddies are going to be like, oh, you're a fascist. Now we hate you. Cancel your dinner party invites like, you're done. And he's doing it anyway. And that, that really has been my experience for the last four years, which is, you know, the world that I lived in is gone. And if you live long enough, you'll experience that. And it's a poignant experience. All the institutions that you loved and believed in, people you were close to, the rituals you had the places you went to eat lunch, the places you walked with your wife. They're all gone, or they're changed unrecognizably, and you can't go back. It's like going back to your hometown, you know, as an adult.

Everything looks so small and sad. You're like, wow, I thought we were kind of impressive. No. If that doesn't happen to you, don't do it. It's super sad. And so that happened, I think, not just to me, but to an awful lot of people during a very short period, starting around memorial day of 2020, when the revolution began. And very few people knew what it was. It seemed like just some guy was getting roughed up by the police in Minneapolis, but we didn't know what it was. It was the overthrow of our civilization. And I think it's pretty obvious now. You look back at the cost to you in your own life, the people you're alienated from, who just, like, won't invite you to Thanksgiving, the family members who are mad at you and won't talk to you, and all the things that you've lost. And I bet a lot of people in this room know exactly what I'm talking about. And the sadness that accompanies that. The feeling of loss. Like, I really lost something I loved, and I feel it very strongly. I'll never get over it. But there is a countervailing force, as there is in the universe.

It's called good, by the way. It's called good. I heard someone really brilliant the other day say, you know, as a minister said, you know, people always ask me, what do you make of evil in the world? But no one ever asked me, what do you make of good in the world? And if you think about it, why should any of us be surprised that there's evil in the world? Right? No one should be surprised there's evil in the world, whether it's the five year old with leukemia or it's a world war and innocents die. You know, it's evil. It's so obvious. It's right in front of us. More inexplicable, harder to understand, less predictable, is the existence of selfless good. Is it existence of, like, unexpected altruism, where people literally lay down their lives for their neighbors, which happens all the time. You see it all the time in small and large ways. And I guess the point I would make, and I will stop on this, is that you see it now more than ever, and I'll give you my testimony on this, which is as sincere as I can be, that for all the friendships that have been destroyed, certainly the acquaintanceships that no longer exist, all the people who would never text me back, ever, there are so many people I've met who I never thought I had anything in common with at all.

In fact, there's some who I really disliked or thought I disliked. And it turned out we had everything in common. We had everything in common. And the relationships that I have with people now, including Russell Brand, are so much deeper than any relationship I've ever had in my life. It is such an abundance of blessings. Right before this, I shouldn't even say this, but it's true. I've given a lot of speeches and been on a lot of stages with a lot of people, you know, not all of whom return my text now, in fact, none of whom will, but anyway, whatever. And so you sort of know the protocol backstage or whatever, and you sit and tell dirty jokes or whatever you do talk about run up show or whatever, Russell Brand comes up to me and he goes, will you come back and pray with me? And it made me emotional. And by the way, if you had said to me five years ago, if Russell Brand had come and been like, will you pray with him? He was like, no, I'm married, dude. I don't go that way. You know, I just wouldn't, I don't know.

I wouldn't even have understood that language at all. And I wouldn't. I would have been so ashamed, just and self conscious. And I never would have admitted it if I'd prayed with a man backstage, like, I don't think so. I'm not telling anybody about that. That's too weird. And we did, and it was just beautiful. And now I'm so proud to say it. Not because I'm like any kind of role model. I'm hardly a role model. And that's kind of the beauty of it. I'm the opposite of a role model. I worked in cable television for 30 years. You think I'm a role model? No. And that's okay. I'm not going to speak for Russell Brand. I don't think he's always been a role model either. But when you have a really honest relationship with someone and you have confidence that the opinions of strangers don't matter at all because you're loved by a force that's bigger than Twitter, you don't care. You can admit it and you can take deep joy from it. And that is happening to me on an almost daily basis. I'm not always praying with Russell brand backstage in arenas in Phoenix.

I'll be honest, but I am having conversations, and I bet you are, too, if you think about it. I bet you are, too. You're having conversations that are so much more honest than anything that would have been possible five years ago. Anything. And all I'm saying, and I will stop on this, is that is something to be grateful for. It's something to acknowledge. Yes, evil exists. Yes, it is more obvious than it's ever been. I can't say if it's more prevalent or not. I'm not God, but I can certainly say it's more obvious. None of this is political. It's political. Oh, it's political. No, it's not. It's spiritual. Obviously, there's no rational explanation for anything that we're seeing. The only explanation is the oldest of all explanations, which there is a battle all around us at all times that we cannot see between good and evil. Obviously. Obviously. I first came to this conclusion a few years ago, and I was like, wow, it's such a revolutionary concept. I don't know if I dare tell anybody this. And then I realized, oh, it's the oldest concept in history. Every book ever written is about that.

I'm 55, and I finally figured it out. Okay, kind of a genius. But anyway, the point is, for all the time that we spend looking at things and saying to ourselves, or I'll speak for myself that I do, and I'm like, I can't even believe that's happening. That's just evil. Hurting other people is evil, period. It's the definition of evil. For all the time I spend marinating in that and feeling sad about it, which is a lot of. I spend so little time, relatively speaking, marveling over the displays, the open displays of love and kindness and selflessness and honesty between people, which is another way of saying I spend too little time being grateful for all the good around me. And there's so much, so much more than there is evil. And that shouldn't surprise us, because in the end, good will win, period. I don't know where this goes. I can't even guess where this goes. But I know who wins in the end, and that's good enough for me. Thank you. I can sincerely say you're one of the people I most admire. I grew up in southern California in the seventies, and people who sat barefoot indian style in chairs were considered not on our side.

Such an incredible thing for me to feel this soulful and real connection to you and to feel like we have the same instincts about things. How would you describe. I'm just going to throw it out because you're about to find out how much more articulate he is than I am. How would you describe where we are right now as a world?

It's a bit weird. Whole scenario is rather weird. And thank you so much for having me. A foreigner in your country, obviously, it was quite easy to get in. No passport, just traipsed in across the border, trafficked a few kids over.

Sorry. I laughed at that.

Yes.

So it feels weird. So I guess the question is, I have felt a mixture of emotions over the past couple of months, experiencing things as I do, like a dog does, which is instinctively by smell. And I have felt great hope as I express. But I've also felt anxiety about where things are going. So you are spiritually in tune, to put it mildly. Are you hopeful about the future or despondent?

I was listening to you just then, and I don't just mean the bits where you were very kind about me. I paid attention to everything you were saying. In fact, it was quite difficult because I needed a we quite badly. And I was listening to you talking about me. I went, oh, no, I'm going to miss what would otherwise be a wonderful experience, listening to someone I admire talking in front of an arena of committed spiritual people about me because of a primary function. In the midst of it, I felt, you know, after I'd had the we, now I'd had the we. After that, I felt a great wave of optimism, because this has been a time of bewilderment and delirium. Perhaps. I suppose the recent Olympic opening ceremony was a good example of how despair and annihilation can come about from the bold desecration of things that we vividly understand to be sacred. As your great comedian George Carlin said, when interests converge, there is no requirement for conspiracy. There seem to be a great many interests that benefit from, as you addressed earlier at the podium that has mysteriously disappeared now, probably because of the deep state.

It's probably in area 51, no doubt. Alex Jones predicted that would happen.

The podium will be taken away. Someone will come. They'll say, get podium, Mandeh. There's estrogen in the water supply. Change that podium's gender. All true, by the way. That's the crazy part.

I know. It's extraordinary, isn't it, with Alex Jones? Like, if anyone else was on film saying that 911 would happen and then 911 did happen, you'd have to give that person a few passes.

I think there'd be a national holiday. It would be called Nostradamus day if you actually called it in great detail. And instead people like, oh, he's crazy, really? How do you do that?

He's a sort of mystic. And I suppose that our culture makes no room for mysticism, because if you worship rationalism, rationalism and materialism have at their apex humankind and the individual. I spoke briefly by text, actually weren't even a proper conversation. I don't mind pretending it was a more intimate connection than it was. I had a text message with Father Julian of the Brompton oratory, and I asked him, I guess he's a catholic priest, and he said that the enlightenment, in spite of the obvious, many miraculous achievements of science, could also be regarded as an amplification, false light. The false light that drowns out the true light. Now, a character like Alex Jones, there's no question Alex Jones has said some pretty out there and crazy things. But when you have an undue reverence for just the rational, just the material, and that's not to say that the material and rational don't have their place, for they too are a creation of the ones who. Supreme creator. It's what happens, I believe, is you end up relegating and negating the mystical. You end up, in fact, if you, I suppose, replace the state as the apex of our hierarchies of meaning, then you can start to replace all of our values one by one.

You can start to remove ideas that are sort of sacred, ordinary, presumed, with new ideas. And this state of bewilderment I mentioned at the beginning is beneficial, I suppose, to power. The powerful appear to benefit from chaos. The more there is chaos, the more there is conflict, the more there is bewilderment, the easier it is to assert authority. And I suppose the clearest example we got of this, or a clear example, was during the pandemic period where the convergence of interest included, well, one would have to argue pharmaceutical companies appeared to benefit. It would seem superficially, yes, as measured by share price.

I think that's fair.

Governments appeared to benefit from the ability to regulate. It seemed that there was an opportunity to denigrate and marginalize and condemn people. So I suppose that's an example of how crises and chaos benefits powerful interests. And I suppose that if you have that kind of polarity, a kind of tension, where crisis is beneficial to the most powerful interests in the world, it's likely that you will see a perpetuation of crisis, endless crisis. If the military industrial complex benefit from war, you will have war. If the pharmaceutical complex benefit from ill health. You will have the perpetuation of ill health if they require you to eat food thats bad for you and take medicine thats bad for you. Then you find that this great, wonderful nation in which im a foreigner traipsing willy nilly back and forth that border almost at will, popping in them cages that a bama built. Then I suppose that what you have instead of this wonderful nation, even though, you know, of course, I'm still somewhat agitated by your victory in the revolutionary war, instead of the greatest nation in the world, you have a kind of conveyor belt where we're sort of turned into larvae with parasitic tubes attached to us, one end being pumped full of sugar and seed oil, the other end being pumped full of needless pharmaceuticals.

I mean, as many amens as I can muster to that. But as a longtime pizza enthusiast, lifelong, really. I've lived on pizza actually almost exclusively for many, many years. If you had. I know, it's disgusting, I know, but if you had said to me that five years ago, I'd be like, you know, come on, there's nothing wrong with wheat. Then settle down. It does seem like just in the past, I don't know, year, less than months even, that what you just said is resonating with people, even people like me, the pizza enthusiasts who have never thought about this at all. That that seems like almost a movement in America acknowledging that we're incredibly unhealthy, that unhealth is by design, and that an unhealthy nation can never really be free. Do you feel that?

Yeah, it's really good, isn't it, that you're doing this live, Tucker? One, because, of course, when you're making live opinions, appearances like this, you are able to be in the obvious presence of your audience. You're able to hear immediately how people respond to what you're saying. And I hope that you are able to a degree, to feel the tremendous and warmth and love that these people have for you.

Well, it's funny. As a wasp, I'm never going to acknowledge that, but I feel the love they have for each other, which is way better and very, very obvious.

I reckon I could embarrass you to death up here. Yes, you could just embarrass you to death in Phoenix. And you would have to rise with metaphorical perfection from your own ashes.

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Yes. I mean, I suppose, look, they took a terrible risk with that Internet, because the power of the Internet, it grants immersive surveillance, incredible opportunity for censorship, almost totalitarian control. And that's plainly the trajectory that they prefer. Totalitarianism and technological feudalism under the sort of peculiar veil of kindness and protection. In order to protect you, we're gonna have to control and citizen manage you to within an inch of your life. It's so peculiar that the characteristics of our lord, omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence, are being emulated by the state that they are emulating the glory, that they are replacing the glory, truly luciferian. Thrice it is offered, the apostle John, the apostle Paul, and our lord and savior all say that Satan is in control of the world. In material. There is Satan. And I suppose technology is the advance of material. We are in a sort of a heightened moment, I suspect. But whilst the technology I've referred to, I suppose, in particular, instantaneous communication, does grant the opportunity for total surveillance, it does also grant us the ability to create a movement in which we can defy in real time their assertion that we are governed by bigotry or prejudice.

Because if there is, and it seems among them, there is at least this offering, one message of Christianity that I find deeply heartening. Of course, the salvation, the redemption, the eternal life. But the kindness, the non judgment, the absolute radical love of our Lord, there is no tribunal higher than his. There is no judgment that I am in a position to offer. We are all in the same category together as fallen. And perhaps in this moment, with this miracle of communication that could be used for totalitarian control, this message may spread the message of deep tolerance, deep love, and a great ability to oppose what I consider now to be, forgive the radical metaphor, a satanic force.

Amen. So how did. I mean, if you don't mind, describe how you arrived at what you just said and your. I hate to use the word journey, but tell us what happened in your life.

Mental illness. Good old fashioned. Oh, well, I suppose, Tucker, what it must have been is that I am. This is my apostasy as a devotee of materialism, as a devotee of culture. Being accepted into the high cathedral of Hollywood, being granted access to the deep privileges of the hedonic, of epicureanism, of making pleasure and privilege and prestige and all earthly things. My God. Setting up false idols in high altars, worshiping them, placing myself at the center of the universe, always worshiping myself, placing myself before him. Again and again I have fallen. Again and again I have been shown that there is no answer there, but the culture is predicated upon serving that impulse. I was fortunate, I suppose, to have an extreme example of it. If you grow up a tubby, chubby, ordinary little boy in an ordinary little town, like grays in Essex in the UK, because we're in Phoenix, Arizona, you may not get the reference. So think New Jersey. If you are plucked from that obscurity and granted the opposite of the shame and ignominy that it can be to be a part of a blue collar community, to know normalness and to no neglect, and suddenly to know the lure and light of attention, to suddenly feel beautiful, you can feel.

I felt elevated. I suppose. Temptation is not a trivial thing. Otherwise the battle would be done. But temptation. I'm pretty weak. And I was easily tempted and easily overwhelmed and easily conditioned. And I suppose because of that, because at my heart I am devout. At my heart, I am devoted. At my heart, like all of us, I suppose, I worship and love. I worshiped and loved false things. And if you have as I have a deep, deep need for God. And the culture will not tell you that you have a deepen, deep need for God. Then alcohol is your God. Heroin is your God. Fame is your God. Money is your God. Sex is your God. Pornography is your God. They will offer you a vast pantheon of deities. To prevent you from seeing the real light. Blessedly, as a drug addict, I had to get clean. And that's the beginning of an awakening. As I say, I'm a very, very slow learner. I'm a father talker, but I'm a slow learner. Eventually, through suffering, through seeing the fame and sex. That I had so eagerly worshiped, turned and metastasized against me by a machine that loathes those that speak out against it.

I was forced to recognize my deep, deep foolishness. Thankfully, at the same time as I was enduring deep, vociferous and vehement attacks. From the culture that I had once worshiped. At the false altar of. My little beautiful son was born. And at twelve weeks old, he had heart surgery. At the famous great Ormond Street Hospital. When you hand over your baby to the anesthetists. Knowing that he will undergo a ten hour trial. It looks like it feels deeply biblical. It felt like some sort of slab. That he was being handed over to. The anesthetists seem unusually large, these sort of giant and towering men. And to see a doctor apply gas to this twelve year week old baby's face. And the tears of my wife, his mother. To be in the room downstairs. Having left my little son. And to see the milk come through her top. The milk she could not feed. Because, as with adults before major surgery, you can't feed the infant. I experience such powerlessness and pain. But also such a blessing to be shown. That amidst the tumult and maelstrom conducted by the spilled and nefarious ink. Of the desperate liars.

That operate in the central institutions of propaganda and deceit. That once I was happy to break bread with and feed at. I was shown a deeper truth. Thankfully, by the excellence of those surgeons. And by the grace of our Lord God. And my personal savior, Jesus Christ. My son is.

Well.

I am a slow learner. So I was shown. I was shown. He showed me. This is what is important to you. These are your former gods. What have your former gods done for you? Where has it brought you to? What has it delivered you? And the reason that I'm honored to be able to pray with you prior to coming out here. Is because I need to continually recognize that as the great. Pastor Rick Warren wrote the first four words of his book. It's not about you. It's not about me. And I think you are a great testimony to that because before, you never seem nervous. You never seem. I see you from time to time. I consider our friendship to be a great privilege. And, like, you know, maybe you're being massacred in the media. Tucker Carlson spoke to Putin.

Kill him.

And I'm like, are you okay?

Yeah.

He's not taking it seriously. Tucker Carlson is not taking it seriously. Tucker Carlson is doing what he believes in. Tucker Carlson is not a racist. Tucker Carlson does not believe in dividing people. Tucker Carlson doesn't believe in supremacy of any individual race or group. Tucker Carlson is a patriotic american. And, and it pains me to say this as an englishman and as a redcoat, there's nothing wrong with that.

So. But then you took with. That's such a wonderful description of what happened to you, but then you took this amazing step of talking about it in public and just feel like there's nothing more radical that. I mean, you had a drug problem. You've talked about it a million times in public. There's no sanction against that. I use Taro, and I'm now better. People are like, oh, you go Russell Brand. You get out there, you start throwing the J word around, man. Was that a tough decision for you?

Well, actually, I didn't really make any decisions. I don't. I didn't make a decision to get baptized. I didn't make a decision to start talking about Christ, actually. I don't know what the hell I'm doing. I've been making, like, if I'd have thought about this more carefully, I probably would have done things differently for a star to put shoes on. But in the midst of the crisis that I described to you, the existential crisis, and, like, I know christians, it was a lot of christians that appeared, appeared out of the midst. Now, in my country, I don't know about here, they do their level best to make Christianity as absolutely tedious as possible. Like, to make it like, there's nothing to see here. There's nothing of interest. You don't need to pay any attention, like. But it's quite amazing that God came to earth in the form of a man and was sacrificed, sacrificed himself, that we may be redeemed, but somehow in England, they make it sound rather boring. So what happened to me? I mean, like, I just started to. I read that book, the pastor Rick Warren book, purpose driven life, because I saw him talking about his son taking his own life.

And I saw the way that he spoke about that and how unabashed and unapologetic he was and how he was just in the pain of it without any sort of pride or, you know, like me, because I've been so attuned to ego. I imagined that if you were, and this, I suppose, is how I would have categorized him, a sort of personal development person. But that's, of course not what a pastor is, because there is a difference between personal development and becoming a servant and becoming a servant of our lord. When he was saying, like these, son had taken his own life. Wow. He doesn't seem like sort of embarrassed. All he feels is sad because, you know, the loss of your child. And I know there will be people in here that have experienced that. Of course there will be people that have lost children. There will be people that have lost people to suicide. I'm sensitive to that. He just seemed to feel the sadness of it. Now, at that time, I was feeling some pretty profound feelings. The person has to die, the old man has to die, the Adam has to die, that Christ may be reborn.

There's an argument indeed for saying that if we don't make our body a temple for his dwelling, it will be a dwelling place for the enemy. And I think, you know, as a drug addict, you are trying to synthesize spiritual experiences. You are trying to find meaning and connection and purpose. You're trying to transcend self. Quick talker, slow learner. I read that book, bare Grylls, of all people. You know, bare Grylls, like running wild with bear Grylls. Bear Grylls sort of like appeared in my existence, coming out of the shadows and like said, would you like me to come and baptize you on the 28 April? And I sort of went, yeah, but I meant, no, I would not like you to come. You know, you sort of make plans. I'm not very good at temporal reality. I'm always agreeing to things on the basis that those things will probably never actually happen. That will never actually happen. And if it does, by the time we get there, I'll have thought of an excuse to get out of it. And oddly, I was in Florida, Tucker, near where I visited you previously. And like, I'd made this tentative plan to be baptized by SaS elite soldier bear Grylls, which seemed odd even as I was mulling it over.

And it was. I was at an Easter ceremony where three churches, I guess, like a Baptist, Methodist and catholic church, were all doing the sermon at dawn at Easter.

I was standing right next to you.

Yeah. And like these sort of kids said, hey, we've been like these sort of gang of kids. Hey, we're from North Carolina. Hey, we've been following your christian journey. Hey, you want to get baptized? And I was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to get baptized, I think. Well, we can baptize you. Yeah, we baptized each other. I baptized her. She baptized me. You're not going to gang baptize me. But I could feel it, you know, went back home to England, and sure enough, 28 April did happen. That's how calendars work. It came immediately after the 27 April. For those of you that have a nerdish interest in such matters, immediately before the 29th, right there it sat, and there came Bear Grylls. And Bear Grylls does his sort of SaS survival thing. He does that, like, all the time. Like, even when he's in your house, he's sort of surviving there. Watch out for that candle. He said at one point, your fence isn't high enough. He bought some hymns. I mean, he's excellent. He played the piano. He bought hymns. Sort of amazing. I was very overwhelmed. It's very difficult to have any pretense about being an alpha male in the company of Bear Grylls.

I just, you know, I just let it go. You know, like, we were on a row boat. We went and picked up a pasta from that to do the baptism and everything. I lived by the river, and that was the river that it was going to get done in. And it's the river Thames, and, of course, the Thames Water municipalities been sold off to multinational conglomerations, who, because it's more profitable to dump sewage in the beautiful and sacred river Thames, rather than provide a sewage plant, do dump sewage into the Thames companies that are in sort of like, Hong Kong and Canada. It's not to shame those particular nations, but probably the water municipality should be owned by the community of people that live there. And shouldn't I be a for profit entity, really? The people should run that, not corporately. It's just saying, I've been thinking about. Anyway, like, when I was put in that water, you know, they baptized me backwards, and I came out there and I sort of felt the Holy Spirit. Although, you know, given what's in that water, it could have been e. Coli. Something was. Something was happening.

So there was never a deliberate choice. Christ chooses us. We have been chosen. I wish I had known earlier. I wish I hadn't thought that I was too clever for the religion of my grandmothers. I thought that I was too smart. I thought somehow that I knew what was in the Bible even without reading it. I get the idea, you know, angels, Jesus. Reading it is blowing my mind on a daily basis. I can't believe the profundity, the depth, the incredible beauty, the deep truth available to all of us. And I know there are many ways of receiving the Lord's truth and the Lord's wisdom, but it's transforming me very quickly. I didn't make a choice, Tucker. And I mentioned the way that you operate as well, that there is a kind of surrender. I'm not saying that I am without shame. I'm not saying that I am without fear. I'm not saying that at points, I don't feel compromised and uncertain. I'm saying that since being baptized, since becoming Christian, since surrendering to him, I feel his presence continually. I feel it now. I feel it in this moment, and I feel free. And like you said, I mean, I'm studying that Bible.

There's nowhere where he says specifically, russell, I want you to overthrow the government. It's not in there specifically.

Keep reading.

Revelations 13. There's some strong suggestions, but romans, he seems to be saying, you know, I don't know. We're gonna have to work it out probably by the end of the evening out of those things that the pressure's increasing.

So what? I had a similar experience where I thought I knew it was in it. I had no idea. I'd never read it. And I read it. Took me a while, 18 months, but I was shocked, completely shocked by what was in there. Are you?

Yeah. Acts first of all, because, of course, the gospels are incredible, the accounts of our Lord and savior. But in particular, acts, because he is past, and the kind of fervor, fibrillity, evangelism, and zeal of the apostles, like, the absolute belief. Like early on with Stephen being torn apart and just going, whoa, yeah, I'm off. Like. And Paul. I thought that Paul was, like, sort of the first among conformists, but there are trials and shipwrecks and jailbreaks. It's incredible and marvelous. Paul put a real shift in establishing Christianity. This just in.

He was in jail so many times, and it never bothered him.

He didn't mind, did he? Like, on that shipwreck. He's all chained up on a ship. There's gonna be a shipwreck. He seems perfectly relaxed about it. Better write another letter. Seems to have been his primary response.

So how different was it from what you thought it was going to be?

Well, look, in my country, we have a thing called the Church of England. And the problem is in the name. Is there not a hierarchical implication in the name Church of England? Some of the people in the Church of England have been sort of instrumental in educating me in my very nascent early new journey into Christianity. And it's certainly not a criticism of those wonderful ministers and teachers and men and women of faith, but secularism is all well and good as long as the state doesn't behave like a goddess, as long as the state doesn't give you some new edicts, as long as the state doesn't set up some new apostles and doesn't deliver a new liturgy that seems to be designed to inhibit and prohibit the freedom of the individual and to diminish and dilute the sanctity of the individual and the beautiful space that can exist between us when we live in good faith with one another. True diversity is a glory but superficial diversity to mask homogeneity, I feel. Yeah, when there's homogeneity of one idea, one globalist idea, centralizing power by their fruits shall you know them. In the pandemic period, wealth transfer, guess which direction it was?

That way. Wasn't the. It wasn't a. It wasn't the diversification of wealth, it wasn't the empowerment of people. It was the centralization of authority. It was the centralization of wealth. It was the centralization of power. I suppose. Doesn't it seem that there is some sort of inert paradigm that continually tries to reassert itself, that revolutions take place, and then, curiously, after the revolutions, power structures somehow superimpose themselves once more on the amorphous superstate of potentiality that exists. In the beginning, there was the word, and the word was God, and the word was with God. Or as they might say in quantum physics, a superstate of potentialities that could become anything that can be spoken into being by us, that through faith can be brought into being by us. That requires God. Does not require us. The trilogy, the trinity, it's not movies franchise I've only been. I've only been Christian about three months. I've got a lot to learn. I'd only been Christian ten minutes. I had to take someone down the hospital. I was doing Christianity within no time at all. I've been eating that Christianity so hard, it's exhausting. Thankfully, there's eternity for me to recover.

What is your. What did your friends say?

My friends say, well, hmm. You know, like, I. Even though I'm sort of here because I feel that the circumstances permit it and you've been kind enough to ask me here and people are kind enough to listen. I'm proselytizing and talking, but like, I don't like to impose myself, you know, like if people don't ask me, I won't like, start hitting them up with the Christianity. Like waiting for a moment where they seem sort of a bit weepy and vulnerable and sort of lean in and go, have you considered Jesus? But if they ask, they're getting it. My wife cradle Catholic, my wife's father very devout Catholic. Most of my mates are people in recovery and we have to believe in God, otherwise we can't cope and we'll kill ourselves. We've got no choice. It's funny. It's funny because we're talking about it more, it's becoming more explicit among us and it's lovely to. To hear working class british men getting into Jesus. It's sort of like my mate's like, started watching the chosen. He goes, I'll tell you what. Only thought he'd done about ten miracles. He'd done ten in one episode the other night.

I don't know what I'm going to do when they nail him up. I'm starting to like him.

I got to say, one of the highlights of my summer, maybe the highlight of my summer. We were in Milwaukee last month. Maybe I shouldn't say this, but we were in Milwaukee for the republican convention and Russell was there and he texts me and he goes, do you want to go to a meeting? I've been sober 22 years, but I don't go to any meetings because I always thought it was weird and like, you know, whatever, sure. So we go to this meeting at seven in the morning in Milwaukee, in a tough. In the hood in Milwaukee. And we walk in and I would say at least 50% of the people there, the men there were from a men's shelter or some post prison facility. And I walk in with Russell, like, Russell, what are you doing, man? He'd been there like, I don't know, three times or something before I got there. And watching. Watching your total transparency with the people there, watching your love for them, their love for you. It was just like. It was so. It was so wild. It was like I've not stopped thinking about it. So we finish and I'm coming from the hotel and I had someone driving me and I said, do you want to ride back to downtown or hotel?

And he goes, oh, no, I'm going with this person who's driving me this random person for the meeting. And Russell gets in the car, and I said, where are you going? He goes, I don't know. We're going out to breakfast or something. I thought, I've never met anyone in my life who's more open to other people. This morning, I'm walking through the hotel lobby. I look, and there's Russell in the gift shop talking to the gift shop owner like this. And they're like, look at each other. It's really intense. He's having, like, the world's deepest conversation with the gift shop owner. And I think there's something about that that is truly christian. Seeing every person as a human being, not as a sum total of whatever badges the person has or achievement, but seeing the person who God created the God in the other person, and being totally open always to the possibility that God is trying to speak to you through that other person. I was telling the people I was in the car with, like, talk about Russell Brand. I was trying to explain what you're like. And I said, you'll never see Russell brand walk down the street with his head down, like, focused on the destination.

He's always totally alive to the possibility that God's gonna, like, jump out in the form of some person and, like, give him a message. He's looking into the eyes of every single person he passes. And, like, half of, like, Russell Brand, hey, how are you? Taken by the arm. Look right into their eyes. Can you imagine experiencing life that deeply all the time? It's just beautiful to watch that. I just want to tell you, I noticed that.

Well, this is a lovely holiday, I must say. I'm really enjoying this. I probably won't sneak back across that border. I might stay here. I mean, listen, I suppose one of the great opportunities that we are afforded by bringing our faith to the forefront of this conversation is the possibility of deep unity and of forgiveness. Because an election, by its nature, is a time of conflict and competition. It is an election. It is a choice. It is a decision. But after this election, you are going to be the inheritors of the new United States, states of America. My hope is that it will be a period of reconciliation and coming together. And I suppose, in particular, I am encouraged by the joining of the, of Trump's republican MAGA movement by Robert Kennedy. Because I've known Bobby Kennedy for a while, not as long as you, of course, but I believe Bobby Kennedy to be a very decent and beautiful and kind man. And I also note that since he has joined the campaign, he is brought to the forefront. And I'm, of course, not claiming to be an expert in your politics, but I noted that he spoke about free speech and the integrity of that ending war and children's health, from which I can only conclude he must have become some sort of right wing fascist.

I think the children's health was the giveaway.

You evil man.

Bobby, like you, seems like one of those people who had to give up a lot to follow his conscience. And he does seem liberated in a way. He seems like he's crossed some line where he had to do the most unpopular thing, and in so doing, he became kind of a different person. That's the feeling I get from. I just saw him last week, and I was really struck. He seems different. He just seems, like, liberated.

Well, yeah, I watched that episode of your show, and he was so lucid and articulate when he spoke about nature and our connection to nature and his own love of nature, even though, well, formally. You know, I think you guys like to hunt stuff, don't you? And I know I do not judge Americans for hunting. I've had that argument, and I'm never having it again.

But to be clear, we hunt and release you.

Release them?

Just kidding.

You release their wee corpses. Fly. Oh, non judgment. No judgment. No higher tribunal than him. No point in arguing. I'm not arguing with anybody at all. It's most liberating. But, yeah. To your point, I think that your recent interview with Bobby, your interview with Kali means has been fantastic. Callie means, his contribution to the conversation about health and nutrition has been invaluable and transformed.

Kelly means is in this room, by the way.

Should I add him?

I don't know where he is because I don't have my glasses on, but I just ran into him, and anyone who doesn't know about Callie means and a sister, Casey means. That is worth a Google search. And their new book is a transformative book, and I think it will change the country.

Wait a minute. There he is. He's. He's drinking Coca Cola full of Kelly. He's drinking seed oils right now. Oh, Kelly, not another hypocrite. Yeah, he's pretty fantastic, isn't he? So. I do, I suppose. Look, you know, when I'm doing my own show, what I'm continually saying is because I still have the sort of remnants, a kind of pompeii of former. Of liberal friends. The sort of sort of frozen there in time. I saw.

Sorry, do you say I have a pompeii? A former liberal that's, like, so brilliant. I just have to stop and acknowledge how great I. That's unbelievable. People frozen in place at the dinner table.

That is what I was trying to do with language.

It's so good.

So I'm like, how can it be. How can you consider this to be an advocacy for freedom? How can the word liberalism, a word that's so, the etymology of it, is so interwoven with freedom? How can it mean more and more state power? How can it mean more and more advocacy for war? How can it mean more and more deification of celebrity and empty, vapid language? How can it be more and more condemnation of ordinary people, more superciliousness and haughtiness and damnation? How can it be only the most superficial nod to kindness and compassion, but a negation of the deepest compassion and love? How can it be. That's why I came up. That Pompeii thing. Thank God you appreciated it.

I loved it. So I guess what I'm. I'm interested in the Bobby thing. I love Bobby Kennedy personally. I think he's sincere for real. And I think his love of nature and his description of why we love nature, we love nature because it's the highest expression on the planet of beauty, because God created it, and so we should preserve it and we should enjoy it. And the same goes for animals. I feel that way strongly. But it does seem like his entry into this, he could have just dropped out, you know, or he could have endorsed the party that his family has been associated with for over 100 years, but he didn't. They didn't want him, by the way, but I don't think he'd do it anyway. It does seem like the moment that you've been talking about since I started watching you about this kind of convergence of people on the basis not of party identification, but the basis of what they really believe. Shared values, shared interests. And that should be the basis of any movement. We're together because we have something real in common, not something fake, like a label, but something real, like it.

A temperament, a goal, a dream, an aspiration. And it does seem like that's happening finally.

Maybe I would think so, because he's an extraordinary character to incorporate into that movement. And I think it will be very difficult to come up with continual condemnation to such varied characters. Trump. It's easy for them to condemn him, indeed, as a misogynist or to continue the law fair Bobby Kennedy. Oh, he's a kook. He's a crackpot. He seems to think that the pharmaceutical industry have some interest beyond your wellness and your general health. The mad conspiracy theorist. What are they gonna summons up about Tulsi Gabbard? I mean, as these sort of, you know, what is it gonna be? They don't like that streak in her ear. That's the sort of thing a supervillain would have. She's a lady Zod, they may say. Generals. Odd. Superman, two. Sorry, it was obscure. I'm just wondering how this is sort of the creeping condemnation and the lack of clarity. When I watched that DNC and it sort of giddy excitement for celebrity, which, by the way, when I was the recipient of it, I would have happily sort of guzzled down like a narcissist nitwit. Easier to observe. It's ridiculousness on the outside. But there was a fella that came out, you'll know his name, but he was a sort of a sort of a somewhat portly billionaire, and he was called something like Prieskrig or something like that.

And he came out to say sort of like, you know, Trump's not a billionaire, I'm a better billionaire. You know, he said something like that. But just before burn.

What a message.

Before Bernie Sanders had been outside, all.

Billionaires, all billionaires of every human persuasion should be stopped.

And then that guy came out and said, there's good billionaires and bad billionaires. And I thought, no, they don't have any sort of central defining argument, just the desire to win an argument. And that's what happens, I suppose, when politics has been captured by the donor class and the lobbyist class. I wonder when we will see donations extracted entirely from politics, the profession of lobbying, entirely removed, ameliorated, annihilated. Radical decentralization, radical federalization. I wonder when, because surely at some point the possibility would exist to have the experiment that I understand your founding fathers were interested in. Unique experiments, experiments in republicanism or democracy, you can use whatever term, don't offend anybody. But you could have principalities that were responding to the will of the people. And if the people are guided by God, if all of us are attempting on our own, not on our own, but through ourselves and through our community, to connect with God, then it's more likely that we will create communities and states and nations and a planet of peace and prosperity from the bottom up, not from the top down, not like the imposition of power structures. You can see its homogeneity on every matching high street or main street.

You can see that it's like it's landed on our cultures. It's no different, really. In my country, we have a similarly globalist leader, an authoritarian who, who claims to care, who wants to protect you from you. Yet another Macron Trudeau stama. These kind of characters that come out often with wonderful haircuts to tell us that they care for us and they care for us so much that we have to have a, we have to remain in our homes and cover our mouths, and we mustn't travel more than 15 minutes. And you sort of get the sense that some dreadful revelations like mark of the beast is about to be implanted under your hand, all for your safety, of course, you understand. And I feel like, can't we just. I'll look after myself. It's all right. I don't need your continual care. I don't want to be medicated and cared for so aggressively. Do you?

I mean, last time I was in the UK, my, the driver actually on the way to your house was going on about how much he loved you. He couldn't believe he was driving me to your house. He couldn't believe it. He was so thrilled. And I said, is, is Russell brand popular here? And he said, with people like me, this was actually a, from Bangladesh, this guy. And he said, people like me, he's popular, but everyone in charge hates him. And that should not be true. I can see why. But do you feel like people you know, in your country are waking up to what you just said?

I think so. I wonder in the problem is, and I suppose it's something that you've been very articulate about, is the primary vessels of communication appear to be controlled by a particular class of people, and that class of people are somewhat reluctant to unhook themselves from a rather satisfying illusion, the illusion that what they're doing is valuable and important, and that it's really vital that they continue to defect to protect whatever target, whatever nominated group it is that's convenient for, for that purpose, from what they regard to be this sort of spilled and disgusting mass of ordinary people. And if for a moment they were able to consider that that's no longer the congregation, that's not the world they're dealing with anymore. Suppose there was for a brief moment after the cultural and civil rights movements of the sixties, a kind of alliance between working people and the intelligentsia and bourgeoisie, it's kind of been steadily breaking down. There's no question that the party of ordinary Americans, working Americans, is the republican party under Donald Trump. In my country, there's a sense of vagrancy. The party in my country, that's meant to be the party of ordinary british people is supposed to be the Labor party, but they hate ordinary british people.

You can kind of feel the loathing dripping insidiously from their venomous saliva as they angrily orate from their secular pulpits, condemning you for being you, annihilating the culture from underneath, annihilating the culture from on top, and wondering why people feel bewildered, desacralizing nature, the land, putting a screen in front of every face, filling every belly with sugar, and then wondering why people are weary and discontent. I feel that once that class of people, once and for all, lose the battle of communication, which seems to be happening unless censorship laws radically increase. And it seems that that's a real possibility because platforms like x are banned in Brazil. Slows rumble. The platform that I'm on there is an obvious attempt to legitimize censorship, not to protect us, but to control us. They have no interest in protecting anybody. And you can sort of see how protect. Any parent knows that protection and control are on a continuum, and that's maybe fine when you're an adult looking after children, but when you're a state claiming to protect a population, that becomes a nefarious and dangerous ideology. The only value that the state could offer, I suppose, is international security.

And conceptually, one might assume protection against rampant corporate advance and globalism. But given that there's plainly an alliance between the state and globalism in most of the countries, anglophonic countries, western countries, call them what you will, then that is a moot point. Plainly, what's required is radical decentralization, radical individual freedom, radical new alliances. And that's why I was so when we first started communicating, I felt like, oh, my God, Tucker Carson. It felt like a kind of apostasy. I felt like, oh, my God, what am I doing? Going on like Fox News and stuff. But now I feel completely relaxed, probably because you're not on Fox anymore.

That's true.

I think some economic miscalculations were made over there at Fox.

I'm so grateful. So my last question is, where do you think we are in a year? Do you have a clear picture of that?

No, I don't, actually, Tucker. I mean, I'm worried about where we're gonna be in half an hour. I'm thinking about sprinting off this stage into the Phoenix night.

Going to get dinner, because I'm starving.

My hope is there are. For some time, technology has created the possibility for further decentralization of power. It is clear that this is being resisted by the use of crisis to legitimize recentralization. I wonder, like, you know, when I see that there was, of course, Napster created disarray in the record industry. Then there was the arab spring. It was clear that the online technology, social media in particular, could create revolutionary moments. Then, through commercial ingenuity in the assertion of power, the wild west of online spaces became tiled over by the familiar logos of corporatism. Well, I wonder if the technology and ingenuity that is granted, for example, Uber or Airbnb, might be deployed to create more decentralized and localized democracy where people would have more control over how budgets were used in their region. Whether budgets were spent on education or health or migration or security or military industrial complex. I have a great faith in fact, and you alluded to this earlier yourself, in the wisdom of ordinary people, populism is being perjured as a term and being equated sort of, kind of cleverly. They're very good at this, the way that they can start using terms like joy or weird, but, you know, we can quickly curate and bring together like packages of people doing it again and again, these points being reiterated.

And there's an attempt to make populism a kind of dirty word, a dirty term. But populism simply means, as far as I can tell, listening to people and forming government on the basis of consensus from the bottom up, not from the top down. So there is a possibility with the great work that you continue to do, particularly if it's conducted with an open heart and radical inclusivity and a willingness to form new alliances, there is a possibility that something extraordinary could happen in America. And America is the one country where it really ought happen. New alliances that absolutely defy their language of condemnation. We must be radically open hearted, radically loving, radically forgiving for who was the most radical being that we have ever known, who loved more than anyone else, who forgave more than anyone else, who gave themselves that we might live. I can think of, I can't see in secularism any solution. I can't see in politics anything other than the green shoots of possible change in the alliances that we've touched upon. But in our lord and savior, I can see the hope and redemption that was promised us, and that will be my path.

So I've never asked this before. We haven't talked about this, and I mean this in the most open possible way. Not everyone's going to share your beliefs or my beliefs, but would you close in prayer?

Oh, yeah. I call on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, our heavenly savior. Lord, humbly in this great congregation in Phoenix, Arizona, with my host, Tucker Carlton, in deference to him, but in ultimate deference to you, our Lord and savior, to whom we are all your younger siblings and your children, I pray in your name that the forthcoming election be an opportunity for unity for America and for Americans, for forgiveness and for grace, that the dark and demonic forces that appear to operate at the level of the state, the deep state, and the corporate and global world, experience your light, Lord, that we are guided, that you guide all of our tongues and all of our words and all of our hearts. That we feel your forgiveness and that we feel your grace. Thank you, Lord, for the many gifts that you have bestowed upon us. Thank you for the glory of consciousness itself in which we can experience you and live you. Thank you the beauty of nature in which we see your wisdom and your creativity and your infinite glory. Thank you, Lord, for the many leaders. And thank you, Lord, that you were born and died, that we may be forgiven and that we may have eternal life, not through merit or anything that we have individually achieved.

For surely all of us are fallen. But in your holy name we are forgiven. By your act of redemption, by your sacrifice. In your name we pray. Amen.

Amen. Russell Brand, ladies and gentlemen, thank you.

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