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Ladies, welcome to the Vial files. Thank you. Thank you. Wow, this is a first time for us. We have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, six.

They're counting, Meg.

Ladies, I can count.

Having seven ladies.

Well, Nelly is the Vial files.

True, true. But she's our girl now.

She's Mrs. Vial files.

I'm part of Mom Talk. Yes. Yes. Part of Mom Talk. Absolutely. Can you have someone outside of Utah Absolutely.

That's a great place to start. How does one become a mom talk, a momfluencer?

You have to be Roman. Just kidding.

No, serious question. Is everyone Roman?

No.

Everyone has Roman roots.

Me and Jessie aren't.

We're the rebels.

But everyone has Roman roots, though.

Hold on, you're not Roman, period. I thought you were part of the saints.

I don't know. She is. I think it just turns on the deal.

I don't know why they did it that way.

She doesn't say it as much as we do.

Do you have no Roman in you?

I grew up Roman, so I haven't been I'm just saying- The roots. Yeah, the Roman roots.

So you grew up in it?

Yes. Okay. I haven't been active for 10 years.

But we'll wait and see. I mean, no.

I'll be converting- We're working on something.

Jennifer. Is your parents still in it? Or did you exile yourself?

No.

I'm a former Catholic. I'm a Catholic. Cool. I grew up in a very Catholic household, so I relate to the- I feel like it's different for me.

No, I grew up in California, so it's very different. Romans in California are way different than Romans in Utah. I grew up with my mom cussing us out on the way to church, and she was a church leader. In Utah, it's completely different. I don't feel like I was ever that... Well, for some people. I was never by the book. We did things on Sunday. How did...

Did you end up back in Utah?

Because my parents got divorced, and then I moved to Utah with all my siblings and my mom. Okay. Yeah.

Did she get back into the church?

I don't know. I feel like it was a facade. Maybe she acted like she was, but I don't feel like it was ever that important. To her. I don't know. That's me speaking for her.

All right, so you hate God. Mikaela hate God. You're not religious. You're not part of it. Where does the spectrum continue? Who is the second least religious person in this?

I have zero out of 10 on the Mormon scale.

I would say she's below Mikaela. I'm not to speak for you.

You're a bad woman. But Mikaela falls- I'm the alcoholic on the show if you can't tell me.

I don't follow any of the guidelines. What do you mean?

You don't drink, you don't smoke, you don't swing.

That's why you're saying you don't swing.

I have. Yeah, but you got knocked up out of marriage. It's not a regular practice.

I'm not a big drinker, and it's not because I'm- Well, it's not their guideline. It's not because it's Saint Joseph or whatever. What is your guy?

What's his name?

Joseph Smith.

Saint Joseph.

Saint Joseph. I love it. He said close enough. He said, He's been trying.

I tried. You're a bad Morgan.

I would say I'm the rebellious one on the cast. My dad wasn't Roman. My mom was. I grew up like a mut. I have the best of both worlds.

Okay. That's why you bring the flask of vodka to the parties. Creates way, way.

Not a girl.

This is Joseph Smith over there.

How did you feel about that?

Oh, my gosh. All the feelings. Was it more like Zack and Zack's parents, or was it you? Yes, I'll be honest. I was more worried about Zack's family than I was about how I felt about the situation because it's not my house. I didn't want to disrespect them, and it falls back on me, not on them. That was the thing that I was most worried about.

Did you grow up in the Roman Church?

Yes, I grew up.

She's wearing her garment.

This is our Mary Roman. I'm not.

I just wanted to show you that converted or something. I'm trying my best.

It's so funny that in this group, I'm the most LDS, but in my friend groups, I'm the craziest. My own personal friend groups, I'm the craziest. It's very interesting to be labeled the most Roman in this group. I also have my past.

Taylor did say that you all have your stories, and I don't know how much... I don't think much of them was portrayed on the show. I feel like it was very focused on Taylor and the swingers and the arrest and Whitney being not a very good friend at all. A bitch. Yes. Thank you, bitch. Thank you, Mikaela. What is, I mean, what is you all's story? I guess we can start with you, Jen. How did you get here? Where did you come from?

I grew up in the Norman faith, and I actually grew up with foster kids my whole life. I shared my bunk bed with children.

We did meet your mom on the show.

Yes, that's right. Maria. We love her. I grew up with foster kids, and I shared my bedroom. I shared my closet. I shared everything. And growing up, we were taught to teach these kids that we love them and God loved them. So when they left their home, that they knew that someone loved them. It's so funny. Yes, there are pros and cons of being raised in the Roman faith. But for me, it was my relationship with God. I always go back to that, even when I doubt my faith, I'm like, Oh, it's about my relationship with God, and it looks different for everyone. But yeah, so my mom actually converted to the church when she was 25. She's from Ecuador, and she smoked, she drank, she did everything. She came from a very dysfunctional family, and she saw the Roman families in her neighborhood. She's like, Wait, I want that. I want a strong family. She converted to the church. She moved to America. She didn't know English. My dad knew Spanish because he served on an LDS mission. They met. My mom became Roman, had all of us, and the rest is history.

Then you're still very devout and you're Yes, I've had stages.

After I graduated high school, I definitely left the church for a little bit. I drank, I had sex before I got married. I did all the things that Romans don't do. No, it's For a Norman, that's a big deal. Outside of the Norman culture, whatever.

That's the norm.

Yes, that's norm. But for me, I did everything. It was important for me to have that experience, to not just follow what everyone else was doing and to really figure out what I wanted. Then ultimately, I decided, You know what? This does make me a better person. It makes me happy. That's my journey. It's Demi, not Demine.

You said it the same way twice. I heard Demi, not Demi. Demi. It's Demi. It's Demi. It's Demi. It's Demi. It's Demi. It's Demi. It's Demi. Demi. My full name is Demetria. That usually helps people understand why it's not Demi versus Demi. Okay.

Is that like Russian?

Greek. Oh, okay.

Our Greek goddess.

Greek goddess. Taylor was telling that she said you had an incredible story.

Oh, that's sweet of her. That's so sweet of her. Yeah, I can go on and on and on and ramble. She really can. I'm self-conscious because I'll look at everyone and they're like, Okay, we get it. I'll be like, So in 2002?

I feel like I woke up on a Wednesday morning.

Yeah, they're like, wrap it up. I'm a talker. I'm all about the details, connection. I love it all. I'll keep it short and sweet for the sake of the time and everything. But Yeah, I grew up in a similar situation to Jessie, not a broken, but like a half... My dad was not in the church. My mom was. My mom was toed the line beyond, which was traumatizing in and of itself, especially with religion. You know how it goes. It's already like you're in or you're out for most people, and it was like black and white. And then my dad came from a long line of they didn't even know what religion was. So it was just such a stark contrast. So the faith aspect for me was very interesting and intriguing because I almost resented my mom for being like, no, you don't miss a Sunday. You don't miss young women's and miss all these different activities that you do within the church. And Then my dad was just a free spirit. So naturally, I'm more of the free spirit. So I always went against the grain, and that was a struggle for me.

So finding where I fit within the church has been such an interesting journey for me. And I'm to a place where I'm just like, Hey, what feels right to me, what's authentic to me? This is my journey. I have one life. I want to make sure that I'm focused on my relationship with God, that the people around me are good, the relationships that matter are good. And that's the end of it for me. So as far as religion goes, I would say I've stepped away from more of the religious practices or the culture, if you will, and more just leaned into, Okay, my savior and my relationship with God, and how are my relationships in my inner circle? That's what I focused on. There's a lot of in between that, but for the sake of time, I'll save that. If you have any specific questions, I'm both like,.

Leila and Macy, where do you stand in terms of how Roman are you?

I don't know. I'm active.

What does that mean?

I go to church. I teach primary, so I teach kids in church. Then I have a temple recommend, which means that I'm worthy to go in the temple, which a lot of people don't believe, but that is the truth.

Worthy. That sounds judgmental. I know.

You have to be worthy to enter in the house of the Lord.

And you are.

Wow. Yes. Oh, hell, yeah. I mean, I don't follow- Oh, Macy. Hey.

That's not a worthy queen.

Have they seen your show? No. Oh, yeah. And are you still worthy?

Yes. I don't do anything bad on the show.

The bishop calls you in next week.

I don't know.

I said it as... I joke, but I grew up very Catholic. But what's different from where I sit... I grew up in a very religious household, so I grew up around priests and nuns, which is very different than your normal Catholic person. I think Catholics are more famous for being Catholic-ish. It's like you're Catholic because you go to church on Easter, and I think there's a spectrum. But it seems like from afar, Catholics, at least your average Catholic, doesn't have the intense community that people in LDS have or Romans have. There's an entire city where there's a It almost seems more about the community than it does the church, and it almost feels like there's an incentive to play ball in the church so that you are accepted in the community. Is that accurate? Because that's the vibe you get from afar, and I think that's the fascination with the show in terms of what do you guys have to do? How are you accepted? It's almost like Game of Thrones inside your community. Religion. I don't know, man, I just had to go to confession. As a Catholic, it's a little less intense, and it feels very intense in the LDS community.

I think we talk about that all the time. Is it the the actual Roman guidelines or is it just the culture?

Yeah, I believe it's the culture. I grew up in California, so I'm a California Roman. I will say it's very different growing up in California than moving to Utah and being in Utah. People can be a lot friendlier in the state of Utah for sure. I remember when I was on campus at BIO because I went to BIO, which is the Roman school. I remember my first week there, there's people saying hi to me, and I would turn around and be like, Who is this person talking to? But people were very friendly. I was like, Oh, so Romans here are very friendly, which is nice, but there is more judgment. It's like, Oh, you drink coffee? You can't be worthy.

But think about this.

I do that.

In confessional, it's one-on-one, right? When you're in the Roman church, it's almost set up in a way for judgment to happen because if you're unworthy, you can't take the sacrament. In your whole congregation, you have to pass the bread and water on it. If you don't take it, everyone's like, Oh, my gosh.

It's like a moment in church.

It is. Everyone in your sacrament sees you not take it. That creates the judgment.

Wow. They're like, What did she fucking do on Saturday?

Exactly. That's how it felt. I will say they are moving far from that, though. It has been, especially in Utah, and that's why I'm excited that we all have Utah roots and that this light is being shined on the culture in Utah, specifically because you talk to a lot of members outside of Utah, and they're like, You guys do what? That happened to you Where, how?

They fully think we're Amish.

There's a weird Utah culture that is specific to Utah, and that's why I think this is so interesting, the entire thing. Yeah, for sure.

Who in this room, if anyone, was in any way, directly or indirectly, part of the swinging group?

I was at the parties. Macy went to a party. I'm like, what? You're at the parties. I was at the parties, but I- You were a spectator.

We heard some watched.

We heard some watch.

Yes, were you a spectator?

Were you a spectator?

You didn't watch any of it actually happen.

I'm kidding. That was for shock factor.

I was like, You've been lying.

No, it is so crazy and no one believes me. But believe me when I say, We went to multiple parties I had no clue what was going on. That is so shocking coming from one of the most observant people. I pick up on everything. We had no...

Maybe she's like, No.

I mean, how did you...

That's not true.

We weren't even invited to the parties and we had an inkling that they were swingers.

I think they're swingers. She's at the party doesn't know.

When I was at the parties, I did not know that it was going on. But is it because you were joking, though? I'm saying for someone who's as observant, I sit back and I read the room, I pick up on a lot of things and little nuances. It's shocking that I was actually at the parties and didn't know that that was going on behind closed doors. Granted, they never swung when we were at those parties.

But weren't they leaving and going upstairs and doing stuff? No.

I thought that they were feeling you out.

No, because Taylor's ex-husband came up to Brett and he was like, So are you the jealous type?

And Brett was like, I mean, I don't share if that's what you mean.

He's testing the waters.

Testing the waters. And he was like, well, I mean, I don't share if that's what you mean. My husband's 6'5. Tate's probably barely 6 foot, and he's a meaty guy. So I guarantee you at that point, he was like, Okay, back off. He was like, Well, I don't share if that's... It squared up a little bit. And so I think that they knew right off the bat, they're not down. And so anytime we went over, we would drink and we would hang out and we would mix and mingle, but nothing like that ever went down. And so when I tell you we had no clue, when it all came out, I was just as surprised as everyone else. I had zero clue that anything was going on. Really?

She did say that a lot of it happened at the after-after party.

Yes.

I know, but it seems like the party is where they would feel out the situation. She does not believe you.

She had an idea.

I literally thought they were swingers before anything came out. I took Mikaela and Whitney aside. I was like, I have this theory that they're swingers, but you can't say anything because I don't want to start a rumor. This is before the drama came out because I got invited by one of the husbands, not to swing, but to go to a cabin party. To swing.

You were getting recruited.

I guess so. Wow. Then got uninvited by the wife. Yeah, I got uninvited without her uninviting me. It was like, Oh, sorry.

That's a flex. She was like, No, we can't have her.

She's like, Sorry, there's not a mix.

She's just too hot. Her ass is too hot.

Will that compete with that?

It's true. That ass. After that happened, I was like, They're for sure swingers. When she said she said, The party doesn't know. I'm like, How would you not know? I've never even been, and I knew. I had a feeling I could feel it in my soul. When it came out, I was like- You were so innocent about it.

You're like, Oh, we're going to a cabin? Should I bring my ski clothes? They're like, Lundry.

They're like, No, bring none of it.

I was like, Are we going to?

They're like, Are we She's like, Oh, it's not apart. It's not like that. I was like, Okay. She's like, Actually, sorry, there's not enough bed, so you guys probably won't want to come.

No, low key, not to make this super spiritual, but that shows where you're at and where I was at.

I was in a dark freaking place. Maybe that's why you didn't notice the-No, I'm not kidding.

I felt sick to my stomach going to the parties. I genuinely did. But I thought it was because it was just we were drinking. I was feeling off with Brett. His mom had just died, and there was a lot going on. I just had so much going on. But kudos to you for picking up on this.

There's a lot of talk of sinners and saints on this show, and you seem to be part of the sinners.

I'm a divorcee. I feel like that's how we got lumped in.

All of us are divorced.

All the sinners. I wasn't sure how serious that That's the big fascination, I think, from people who watch Normands from afar, which is like, How intense are you guys? Because it seems to be like... We have a large part of our audience is, I think it comes from my upbringing, where whether you're Roman or Catholic or Christian, there's just a lot of people who have left these respective faiths or religions because of the judgment and shame centered around these. It is fascinating to see people who don't quite leave, staying in it, but don't practice, and the decisions that are made. The way you're describing it is you were going to these parties, not as a swinger, obviously, but as someone who felt accepted by a group that were also participating in non-LDS behavior? Is that almost how you found yourself going to these parties?

Yeah, I would say just being in such a weird and dark place from being divorced and going through the blending of a family and all that I was going through, I was not in the best place, spiritually, mentally. I think it was just... It also was work for me, too, in a sense. I was building relationships as well. I had just joined Mom Talk, and so She was inviting us to come, and I was like, Well, this will be good for our work relationship as well. Then aside from that, of course, my husband and I were participating in things that maybe we wouldn't have otherwise as far as drinking and not going to church as much. But that was more to do so with my personal circumstances. But I do think that there is a spectrum. There are people. People show up on Sunday hung over, and that's where they're at. And they're allowed to go.

And they're still in our comments judging us.

I feel like the culture in that way because church isn't for perfect people. Church is for imperfect people, and we go there to be better. I think a lot of LDS people, especially with culture, I just think we have that mixed up. There's this expectation to be perfect, to show up perfect. A lot of people just feel like, Oh, because I'm not perfect, that means I don't belong there. But it's hard because that's culturally ingrained.

It's also just human nature to just judge. I think it's human make your dinner.

Also, from an outsider point of view, I get what you're saying that church is for not just the perfect, but I wouldn't go if I knew everyone was judging me. Yeah, exactly. I think when it comes to Catholic communion, you call this sacrament. Technically, you're not supposed to take communion if you've sinned, but the most devout would actually not go and respect. But your average Catholic, still taking communion if they're out late the night before. There's no real moment of judgment where it seems like at your all's church, there's like, Oh, I guess I'll go to church and get fucking looked at all the time. That's why I love Taylor.

Who signs up for that? Because if Taylor can show up to church after everything she's been through, after the swinging scandal.

She was going right after the swinging scandal, too.

Yes, we can all go because that's what I admire about her. She doesn't give an F.

Well, that's the thing. I mean, you say that about Taylor, but that It does require strength. It requires some guts and whatever Taylor is seemingly doing the work, but not everyone has that type of strength.

It shouldn't be like that.

For the people who would like to go to church are afraid of being judged and don't have that inner strength, say, people like Taylor have, how does someone like that feel accepted in your community?

For sure. That's what I love in our comments. There's people that are saying, Well, I would feel much more comfortable in a room of these than all these Mormons in the comments that are judging them on. We've been destroyed. Everything that we're doing.

Exactly. Hopefully, it's opening up that conversation and creating that change. There needs to be change. That's why I'm personally so excited for this show.

There's so many members.

Are you worthy?

Are you temple worthy?

Yeah. Okay. I don't know. Leila, are you? I think I am. I'm not going to say that I'm super active.

I try to go to church as much as I can, but I have sex before I'm married. I drink here and there, and I'm Taking it day by day and ultimately just my relationship with God, I feel like that's what it comes down to, and that's just so personal. But if you were to put me on a scale, I'm definitely not following things to a perfect tee, but I show up when I can.

I think that's the most important thing. How is your What has your divorce been while being a part of the LDS community? Has it been a struggle? Have you feel supported by your friends? What has that been like?

I feel like my friends are all super supportive, and luckily, half of these girls, like we mentioned, have gone through divorces. So I feel like a lot of just sympathy from them were divorced.

Luckily, all of them were divorced. All of us are going to be divorced soon.

I'm just kidding.

Jess, you were divorced? Yes. Demi, Leila.

Taylor.

Taylor. Okay.

So four out of the eight. Yeah.

That's a no-no in our church.

The sinners and the saints.

You guys are just like us.

We're laid a little more skin-wise. No, we really are. That's why I'm excited for this. I'm like, we are not much different than the rest of the world. We don't just churn butter all day and wear bonnets. The thing is on there. We're normal.

There's a lot of members too.

And we twerk.

There's a lot of members too that don't follow things to a perfect tee. I just think it's honestly commendable that a lot of these girls were willing to admit that, Hey, I've done this here and there. I still do this here and there. It's okay because there's so many members, especially being a younger girl in this group. I can't even count on a hand how many people I know personally that don't follow everything to a perfect tee, but they like to pretend and act like they do. I think it's cool to just be open and be like, Yeah, I've messed up and that's okay.

I feel like we're the perfect group for it because we have no shame and no boundaries. We're willing to have those uncomfortable conversations that most people won't.

Like being a nervous shitter?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah. We're both nervous shitter.

We're like, Oh, shit. She's like, I got the shame.

I'm like, Who are you talking to?

I'm like, Why are you looking at me like you know what I do in my free time. I was like, Oh, here we go.

You very much opened up.

We are the nervous shitters of the day.

No, they did not. Always. Before we fly, we're both in the stomach next to each other.

I'm like, my stomach hurts so bad.

Next to each other.

We're going to watch the show and be like, what did we do?

This is what I hate.

Just like not... Them?

No, no, no.

You're like, this is what I hate. No, just the fact that we haven't watched that.

We don't know what's going to happen.

Why are you looking at me? How do you know that?

I literally show people pictures of parasites.

I was on Wikipedia.

No, it's okay.

Wikipedia.

They move quick. They move quick these days.

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Who are we looking at?

Anyways, Jen, you're up.

It's unrelated.

Well, before we get to that, I was fascinated. You guys are very open about just your faith and your lives. Was there a lot of nerves going in about how you would be received by your community? Because you guys do open up a lot of lights, and you shine a lot of lights on your community. I have to imagine there might be people in your community who might not appreciate that and would prefer to live a life where it's like, let's not-Out of sight, out of mind. Out of sight, out of mind. Let's pretend this is how it is, even if in reality it's like this. How do you deal with that?

Personally, not so much opening up and shining a light, but more so how it was going to be edited and portrayed. Because there was a few things like walking in the blue coats in front of our sacred temple. Those things where we're like, How's that going to look?

But also it didn't realize while filming.

That intro is cool.

It's an absolute slay.

It is. I did not feel that in the moment when we were holding hands.

I was like, This is cultish.

No, it was giving Handmaiden's Tale. I was like, Are we getting ready?.

But more so from our community because there's people that are outside that are like, That's sick.

But then there's things within the church and things that we participate in the temple that are really sacred and that we hold very seriously into a high standard that we're like, Crap, what are they going to think? There was a few of those moments.

What was the reaction from your parents, the people who are who raised you in this community? Like, Jen, what did Zack's parents say? What did your mom have to say?

No, my parents were obsessed with the idea. They showed my mom like, You're going to be the next Kardashian.

She was like, You're going to be the next Kardashian.

Is that okay, Maria? No, my parents were all on board. As for Zack's family, they were very worried just of how they were going to portray us. They're on board now. They're stoked. But they're on board now, for sure. Yes.

Do they know what's coming?

No. I don't even know what's coming.

They're not going to be so.

Are they really on board? I was joking.

We are being forecast. They are. Let's just be real. There is a several scenes where a lot of people in this room had a lot of very strong opinions about your relationship with Zack.

Yeah, which I don't blame them. We did.

Yeah, either do I.

Again, I know what it's like to be on reality TV. I know what it's like to not be in love with the edit, but it is hard. I can't imagine Zack blaming it on the edit, so to speak.

No, it was real. Everything that happened was for the most part, real. Him wanting to come to Vegas was not real. I convinced to go to Vegas, and he did not want to be a part of that. But then he was put in a very tough situation and true colors.

What do you mean he was put into a tough situation?

Oh, just being in Vegas and being a part of that. The Motorcycle Man?

No, it wasn't more the gambling side of things.

Oh, are you talking that? What are you doing? I don't know what's shown. That's what's really hard because I'm speaking just off of my experience.

What was shown is that it sounds like Zack may have a bit of a gambling problem.

Oh, yeah.

Okay. You guys went to Vegas. Yes. Then he used your money.

Yes, that's right.

To gamble. Yeah. All night.

All night long.

Then you went... I think the scene that we saw was incredibly relatable for a lot of women. Regardless if you're Mormon or not. For sure. To be put in a situation where you're trying to be a good friend. Maybe you find yourself in a situation that feels compromising, but you're doing everything you should and can do to protect your relationship, and then your partner finds out what's going on and doesn't give a fuck about what they're doing, doesn't look in the mirror, doesn't ask themselves, Could I be doing something differently or wrong? Then, well, I even hate how crazy this word is misused in society, but gaslights the fuck out of you. To thinking that you did something wrong and then to see you cry the way you were, I think it was hard to watch because it just, again, now he was watching it and being like, This reminds me of my ex-boyfriend. It's just like...

You said that, too, Jessie.

It triggered me for my divorce.

I think Jessie, out of anyone, she was very triggered.

I don't blame you. It's tough to watch. Yeah, I am curious where you guys are at now. Then it was even tougher to watch when a lot of the women speculated that you would come back and be like, Everything's fine. We talked it out. We're all good now. In reality, we all know that maybe you weren't really good yet. But how do you guys work through that?

You know what? That's one of my toxic traits. To be honest, just my toxic trait being that I pretend everything's okay, and I don't like to just acknowledge a lot of things because it's just easier for me to just be like, Yeah, I know. Everything's okay. We're okay. But that's why, honestly, being on the show is one of the greatest things that happened to our relationship because it actually made me take a step back and look at our relationship for what it was. At the time, you guys saw, clearly, our relationship was not healthy. There are a lot of things happening that I didn't even realize. It wasn't until being surrounded by this group of girls that I realized, Wait, there are things that actually do need to change in our relationship. And wait, no, I'm not the one in the wrong here. And throughout the show, I definitely did feel like that. And I put a lot of that baggage on me. But yeah, after the show, I'll be honest. Yeah, I'll be completely honest. There was a few moments where I was like, I don't know if I want to be in this relationship anymore.

No woman deserves to be spoken to that way, but especially your wife and the mother of your children. Yeah, we definitely had to go to therapy. For him, he also had to take a hard look in the mirror and ask himself, What do I need to change about myself? I mean, whether people believe it or not, I do believe that he is changing. We've been doing nonstop therapy since the show ended. For me, a lot of truth came out during that time. I speak about it because it's his own personal story and things that happened to him when he was younger. But that truth came out after the show as well. Now, obviously, our relationship isn't perfect. Now that he's in med school, it's definitely going to look like this for a long time. But at least I know where I stand. If I need to, I have the option of walking away. I'm not walking away right now because I do love him, and there is a side that people haven't seen. I truly believe he's an amazing person. Maybe he didn't take accountability on the show, but he definitely did after. Yeah, that's where we're at.

But I'm actually grateful because there is this push in the LDS culture to look perfect. That includes your relationship, your marriage, your family. So many people in the church struggle, just families in general, struggle. A lot of people hide that, and I don't want to hide that. I want to talk openly about my relationship and how he struggled because no relationship is perfect, no marriage is perfect. For me, this is a really tough topic. I mean, we're talking about gambling, we're talking about gaslighting and all the- But also in your situation, how it comes across, and I don't know if it's accurate, but it also...

Like, gender roles. In terms of like- Yes, for sure. It is portrayed as if your relationship is very old school, very conservative, very set in the old ways of the church, where Zack has afforded a lot of double standards and privileges and rights that seemingly you don't have in your relationship. Was that accurate? Is it still accurate? Is that something you guys are working on?

There is definitely a lot of that happening. Again, I didn't realize because sometimes, well, especially for me, I got married at 20. I was so young. I didn't really know what I wanted. I didn't know. I just didn't know what I needed as well. In the church, I definitely think traditionally, Most marriages are… There are somewhat, and maybe you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, but I do see a lot of gender roles just within the church. I honestly started down in my faith because of that. Because I'm like, Wait, if they're pushing this, I don't want to be a part of this because I want an equal partnership. My parents are the perfect example of that. My parents have a perfect equal partnership. Yeah, they fight, but they've always There's never been general. I never was taught that. But I'm like, Wait, is the church teaching this? It wasn't until I took a step back and actually read the doctrine of what the church teaches that we don't actually believe that. That's just what's been culturally pushed on us. According to the doctrine, we believe that we are equal and that if there's any abuse happening, you will be accountable in the afterlife for that.

That is literally written in the family proclamation. That is what we Do a lot of people follow that? I don't think so. I think it's because the culture gets mixed in with the actual doctrine of what we get taught and then people get mixed.

But women can't hold a priesthood, right?

No, but there's still something- No, We do. Actually, I can't really say these things.

We can't get too deep into it. Actually, I was talking to my mom about it yesterday. She's like, Actually, you can. In certain situations, you can get blessings.

If you go to the temple and that, you'll realize it's not It's a whole talk.

What are you worried about saying? I'm not worthy to hear these things.

You're not worthy to hear about the temple that you don't talk about outside of the temple.

It's not sacred, it's sacred.

You don't talk about the temple. Okay. It's a little secret.

What is that? Why is that?

It's not sacred, sacred. It's just things that you're just taught that once you go through, there's just certain practices that you only discuss in the temple.

Well, during that whole fight with Zack, he threw a couple of stones at your friend and their relationship. Verbal.

Yeah.

Not physical stones.

Be clear.

Wait, so I remember this. We're talking about church and old percentage.

He cast the stone. Verbal stones.

Oh, yeah, we remember. We remember. I remember.

I was there the night that those texts were sent. That was pretty heavy.

You woke me up.

She woke us up at 2:00 AM. She's like, Guess what, guys?

I was shocked to my core. I couldn't believe what I was reading. I didn't know if it was like he was playing into a role or that's what I was hoping for. I was like, Please, dear God, let this man be reading a script and texting a script.

Someone who knows how reality TV is made. I'm curious what you ladies think amongst each other, but there's always like, as soon as you get miced and cameras go on, people sometimes play a role they think they should play. Oh, 100%. As opposed to just being themselves.

But the text were sent off camera.

Yeah, they were. It was like nighttime producers were asleep.

I didn't know cameras were at his hotel, though. I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt. I was like, Please, dear God, I'm about to beat this man. Please say that this is coming from a producer or something. It wasn't. What did he say about you? Unfortunately. She's divorced.

It was accurate.

Divorced and married to a 50-year-old. What was mine? I'm like, That's a flex.

What are you talking about?

We were like, Green flag.

Try harder.

My favorite is he's like, my really that perfect.

He's like, my really that perfect. Threatening divorce.

I'm like, cool. Yeah.

He kept saying while also saying, I'm going to divorce you for being at this Chippendale show. And then she wasn't at it.

She didn't even go to the show. He can't divorce you.

She literally left.

He needs you.

Jesse, he spread a rumor. He said that you stepped out on your marriage. Oh, yeah.

I forgot about that. I didn't know that. Did he say that in the text?

He said you had an affair.

On my old husband or my new-You knew about the rumor.

This wasn't new.

This was, yeah.

This was something that you were like- Sorry.

I thought you were saying like-We're not telling you something you had an address for your show.

Sorry.

So, yes, he said that there was a rumor about me in my past relationship. Yes. I didn't know he had even heard about that, but it's just Reddit stuff. People talk in our town, and that's a rumor that's out there. Everybody's not accurate.

Where did he get all his information? Is that on Reddit? Yeah, he's a troll.

He's on Reddit all the time. He's the redditor.

Have you guys made up with Zack?

No. No.

Not made up, but I feel like we're cordial when we see him.

I think on the show, I said I never want to be in the room with him. I think on the show, I said I never want to be in the room with him again. But we've been here this weekend.

I think ultimately, we want Jen to be happy. If that's with Zack, then that's with Zack. But I don't think any of us would keep our mouth shut if we saw her getting treated poorly again.

Absolutely.

I would definitely say something.

Here. Here.

Don't hurt my girl. He definitely looks the part of a villain with the whole blonde long hair.

The man's straight up.

The man bun. The Roman boy. The Roman boy.

He looks He's better now. He's cut his hair. I will say. That bun was all. He's cut his hair? Yeah.

That button was all- He's hurt his head. Yeah, thank God.

Yeah, that hair is not him.

You need to just cut that thing off.

He's in his new era.

Just kidding.

He was going through something. Yeah, he was definitely going through a lot.

We also did, in fairness to your husband, we only did saw glimpses of him. The glimpses we did see, obviously not flattering, but it is only just a fraction, I'm sure, of everything. That being said, you ladies came together. You decided to this show. What conversations did you have with your partners? Because it feels like they didn't really get the okay of what was really discussed, and certainly, they're not in the edit room. What conversations did you have with your partners going into the show? What conversations have you had with your partners since recording? What conversations have you had with your partners now that we're about to have this drop? Because every once in a while, you guys bring in your husbands into the conversation conversations, and that must at times be difficult to deal with.

I just want to see what they're talking about. Do they have any scenes of just the husband's talking?

I feel like our husbands aren't even in it.

They're not in it much, to be clear. Listen, it is tough when you're not in it at all and everyone's your name gets thrown in as a part of a conversation that you technically didn't really sign up for, or have they signed up for it being full participants and they didn't really make the edit.

I think if we're making money, I'm like, I don't think you have anything to say.

My husband's so go with the flow. I could literally do anything and he won't care. That's so true. He just is super supportive.

I think the problem is we went into the show not having those conversations. We just all were like, Amazing. Then real situations happened on camera and we didn't know how to navigate that. It just happened and they were unprepared.

I feel like as a group, we were in our group chat saying, Hey, make sure you talk to your husband about boundaries. I feel like we had those conversations a lot. But then some boundaries were just crossed as they were happening because you're put in these really unique one-off situations that you don't know as a boundary until you cross it. Then you just have that conversation.

We I don't want to put Jen on the spot because we just did. I'm not. Thanks for being such a good sport. But are any of you worried about... I'm just going to keep it real. Naila and I often get asked from time to time. Some production company will reach out and be like, Have you guys ever thought about putting your entire lives on a... I'm like, Absolutely I love my wife way too much. I'm just like, you really have to be giving to be it. You need the drama. Congratulations. Your show's awesome. We loved it. We burned through it all weekend. We were tapped in. It was great. It was also dramatic. That can cause problems in your relationships. Do any of you have a fear of surviving? No.

How is Mom talk going to survive?

I think I'm more so about our friendships, but my relationship, specifically, I know. I think when you have a strong relationship and you're not exploiting it at time, then you won't have those issues. I feel like you probably never really saw, at least our husband does a show. My husband doesn't give a shit.

He doesn't want to be on camera ever.

To your point, I can't even visualize what they look like.

Yeah, exactly. My husband was like, I'll be in whenever you need. He just go with the flow. But I wasn't like, Let's bring him in. Let's bring up this issue.

Or like, Hey, we're having a fight right now. Come film it.

Yeah, no, none of that.

My husband is not even in my TikToks. You wouldn't even know I'm married from looking at all my stuff because he doesn't like being in anything. He doesn't even talk in TikToks.

What?

The give me the money trend was the first time I've seen Jay speak in a TikTok before.

Jace has a personality, you guys. He's actually really funny.

He actually is.

My husband was like, I'm so down to do anything. He's a very open book. He's like, I don't want to mess with our relationship. He learned from seeing. To be honest, we're still seeing to this day fall out from filming with her relationship with Taylor's, with Whitney and Connor's. It's still affecting them. So my husband's like, I love you, I'm down, but this is staying solid.

Jordan is the one who made the call to Whitney's, to Connor about the drama in Vegas. He did, yeah.

Of course. He's a little poster.

He's a little potster.

He loves to start a ball in.

He's churned that butter.

You get the scenes going forward. Exactly.

We're making TV here.

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I think it started as soft.

It's because it wasn't like actual intercourse, I guess, is why it's soft.

They would do like first base and second base, but they just want it straight up half-size.

They were about to, and then her husband was like, What are we doing?

It's the same font as soaking, honestly.

Which Soaking. Anyone ever tried that?

No. Is that the same as derping?

No. What is that?

Derping is dry humping with your clothes on.

That's what you do in high school when you're a normand.

It's like a B-Y-U thing.

Dry humping with your clothes on is called high school.

Yeah, that's what people do.

You guys aren't that special, normands. It's after high school, too.

No, but you know the soaking, you put it in, have someone jump on the bed. Someone actually jumps on the bed. That's docking. Oh, docking.

No. Docking is just putting it in.

There's different variations. One is that you just stick it in, stay in, and then you pull it out, you don't move. Another one, next level, is that you have someone come jump on your bed so that you're not actually the one making the thrust.

The premise is if you're not actually thrusting the hips, you're not having sex. Apparently.

They forgot that it's just genitals touching and then you're having sex.

There's a lot of BIO slang to get around the rules. There's like, Soaking, docking, gazing, derping. Yeah, there's a lot of things.

We should have done that instead.

Well, the BIO honor code, you know about that, right? No. Oh, It's major. It's huge.

nick would be kicked out because of his beard. Yeah.

What? Major. Zack couldn't have long hair. I didn't know that. He was having to tuck it.

If you have a boy over to your dorm, the door has to be open and you have to have your feet on the ground. So they can't sit on the bed with your feet dangling off. You have to have feet on the ground, stuff like that.

What the hell? Major athletes were getting kicked off the team. Scholarhips lost from messing up with a girl.

With people telling each other.

For sure. I feel like my husband was on the BIO football team, and he's like, Yeah, there was a bit of a pact. But It's just such double standards. He's just like, you see the double standard, especially being an athlete, because you see people getting away with things because they are an athlete. Then you see other people not.

I will say from being an athlete at a BIO, the athletes will get away with more. Football will get away with the most because they're generating revenue for the school. They're the golden children of the school. They're going to get away with a lot more than someone who's on a swim team, on a tennis team like me or whatever, because they're making money for the school.

What is the criticism around your age gap as someone who gets, I'm sure, the thing.

Everyone just thinks that I'm not making a decision to be with my husband.

That's yeah. They're like, Oh, my God. You literally can't speak. You can't do anything. He's grooming you. You're in the womb still. You're still a toddler, like a baby.

Exactly. Yeah. A lot of that of just like, they think that it's inappropriate and that I'm not choosing to be in a relationship with him and that I somehow need to be saved. I get a lot I love that. Which is the complete opposite because they're literally almost too obsessed with each other.

They can't go apart for like two minutes.

It's wild. Do you get that as well?

Oh, yeah. I got child bride. I got Yeah, I've got it all. Yeah, a lot of it.

It's crazy. I did not expect that at all.

It's the internet. You got married at 20, and you originally got married- 20. 20.

23.

23. 18. 18.

22. 22. 19. 19. Obviously, we've discussed the divorce, but clearly, I think the fascination with the swinging scandal is here you have a religion seemingly, not forcing, but pressuring people into very early relationships. Long before we see, especially in 2024, it's just like, I don't even know what I want to do with my life. I'm supposed to get married. If you're not swinging and assuming you're in a good relationship, how do you keep the relationship and spicy and fun and new and interesting.

Dance.

Don't have kids right away.

Ketamine. Ketamine? I love ketamine. It has been the biggest tool that I've used to strengthen my relationship. Next level. Everyone I talk to, I'm like, We're struggling. Things are getting a little bit dull. Ketamine. Go do Ketamine with your stuff.

Can you say more? What?

Yeah, please. I'm not talking pop and special K. It is a drug. It is administered by a doctor. Okay. Through I've had an IV.

Is this a microdosing situation?

Yeah, it's microdosing. It's like a horse tranquilizer?

Yeah.

They use it for...

A disclaimer, we're not doctors here, so don't ever the fuck you weren't listening. But anyways, to me, to experience.

To me. I've always the controversial one.

The Roman hippie.

My husband literally was like, Are you it to me? He's like, Can you ask her about Ketam? Or he was saying DMT or something like that.

They always come to me for all these kinds of questions, for all the drugs. No, it's the safest form of anesthesia. They use it on kids. It's animals, small animals, so put them down. What does it do? It takes you out of your conscious state, and you're able to let down your... Really just diminish your pride, let down all the walls, and be able to speak heart to heart. I've never had deeper conversations in my entire life.

Is it used in therapy?

Yeah. Did you do it with the therapist in the room one time or something?

Yeah, I've done it. I prefer to do it with Brett. I have him in the room. He's not on Ketamine. I am on Ketamine, and we talk through our stuff.

She's done it. It's been so interesting because to me, tells me about her experiences with it. She's like, I found out why I got divorced. I'm a whole new person. I'm like, I was like a cartoon character floating in the clouds. There was that, too. I was an avatar with a tail.

You need to do more. You need to It was deeper. You're protecting yourself.

It was a good time, though. I was so happy after. Went to Cheesecake. Had a little sexy time after. I was in a great place. That's good.

But it's good for your sex life. It was actually.

It does spice up your sex life for sure.

I definitely want to do it.

Okay, so Ketamine is one option.

One option is for what else?

Toys.

Yes, we did get introduced to some toys on the show.

Are you as empowered as Whitney when you use toys?

I was like, Is she intense about it?

There's a scene where she wants to do an ad and she just says how empowered she is 50 fucking times. Oh, no.

Do you guys have some feelings about Whitney?

I'm feeling some hostility.

The show does not paint her in the best- She gives Regina George. She does give Regina George. She gives like, Must be leader of the group, but also to get close to Mikaela, she's going to tell Mikaela that everyone else in the group talk shit about her, and she's the only one who never has. To was the vibe she was getting.

Preaching to the choir.

She's a manipulator.

We only saw a show.

We don't know her. We don't know her.

She could be lovely. But she comes across to me as an energy vampire.

There you go. You guys read it right. That's all you need to say.

I can picture Whitney coming to you. You I barely know her. Maybe you just met. It's your first week in hanging out. She'll be like, Eventually, if you need to bury a body, I'll help you. And you're thinking, We just met. That's so true. She only says that because what she wants to know is if you would actually help her bury a body. That's the vibe I get from Wyn.

That is really good. I'm impressed.

You nail on the head right there.

It's a lot of what feels like tests. It's a lot of like, Well, I did this to see if anyone would react, and no one reacted.

I left the group chat for the fifth time, and no one chased me this time.

What is that? Also, Elephant in the Room. She's the only one not in the room, but she's also here. Then I hear she was blaming it on being pregnant, but she's twice- She's always the victim.

There's always an excuse.

Why isn't she here? Why isn't she here?

Do we know?

I haven't talked to her in months. No. I think she was having some hard time with press that we did last week with certain questions. I'm not speaking for her, but that's my assumption and why she didn't want to do press this week.

I think Whitney genuinely doesn't didn't realize she is the villain. I think she was surprised to find that out during our media tour.

Well, I was surprised to find out from Taylor that it was, in fact, Whitney who reached out to Taylor after her arrest in that terrible situation.

But I don't think that was a genuine thing.

But then after listening more, I thought to myself, Well, that seemed nice. But did Whitney reach out to Taylor because deep down, she thought, I'll bring in Taylor, and then Taylor will be the villain of our season. You're good. And I won't be the villain of the season.

It's like he was there.

You are good.

Yeah.

Because the first half of our filming, she was ragging on Taylor and was trying to paint her in this light. Then all of a sudden, it switched, and I don't think she realized she created that. Yeah.

Spot on it.

Where do we stand with Whitney today.

Well, this room probably speaks for that. She's not here.

Well, there's a couple of people.

I was going to say Macy, you're closest with her, right?

Yeah, Macy, you're close with her. We're still friends. But we're not as close as we were, obviously, as you saw, probably on this show with certain things that happened.

Yeah, she really had to hang in there.

Yeah, she did. That was disappointing because I'm like, I literally backed you up through everything the whole time. I was in a position where I was in between two groups, and it was the worst feeling. Then at the end of the day, the only thing you could have done to support me was to show up to my event or even send me a text or a call, but she did nothing. She didn't post an Instagram story. She didn't call me. She didn't text me. Her husband texted my husband, Say, Tell Macy, congrats. Congrats on the lunch. Why couldn't you text me?

Especially because that is her big of reaching out to people.

That's the thing. She's clearly too smart to be stupid.

My husband always says, You guys were playing checkers and she was playing chess. He thinks that she's calculated, but I can't figure it out. I'm like, Is this how she is or was it a plan?

No, I think she knows what she's doing. To an extent. It's not that she's smarter than us, but I don't think that's what you're saying.

Yeah, I'm not saying she's smarter, but she's not stupid. I don't think you can blame her behavior on not knowing better.

No, she knows better. She knows what she's doing. She's a grown-out adult.

She does, though. I truly think she's just delusional.

No, she's a grown woman. You have to have common sense eventually check in. She can't just keep making excuses for poor behavior.

I haven't met her, but I've met people like her. I think two things can be true. I think she can be smart and calculated and self-aware, and I think she can be delusional about how it all comes across. Yes.

She thought she was going to be the victim, I think. We all turned on her. We're mean girls. I don't think she realized the narrative was maybe the other way.

Well, yeah, because also, again, And again, she's like, I didn't do anything. Meanwhile, she's planting seeds, talking shit. Everything's one on one, and she's all expecting it to come together.

But doesn't the villain always come out on top? That's why I feel like she is playing chess in the sense that I feel like she almost wanted the villain.

No, she didn't. If she's crying in every single interview that calls her the villain, I don't think so.

Then why does she keep coming back and doing the same thing, though?

Well, we went on a podcast- Because she wants to be in control. So she's like, Oh, they think I'm the villain. Okay, I want to be in control of the situation. So, yeah, I'm the villain.

Oh, I was going to say we went on a podcast together last time I was in LA a few weeks ago, and this guy, I was like, Oh, I thought Taylor was going to be the villain at the start of the show. And then it turned out she wasn't. And Whitney was like, Well, who was it? And he didn't say anything. I was like, It's you, Whitney. And she was shocked. And she was upset. She's been really upset to know that she's the villain.

I don't think she's an actress. You think she's a facade?

Well, I'll tell you right now, if she's that smart, the only way it's a facade... Well, maybe she just doesn't realize. But do you think she's done with you all?

No.

She is eating up the spotlight right now.

Because the villain comes on top in the long game.

Exactly. We've seen enough people go through reality TV to know that. That's why I'm saying, Guys, come on. Give her some credit. She knows what she's doing. She knows exactly what she's doing. She's going in to be an actress. You think she's not good at doing that and playing the part?

She's not. She is.

She's been reacting the past two weeks since the show trailer came out. She's been loving the attention. She's been so active on social media, which she wasn't for a while. She's loving the attention.

I'll die on that hill. This was all premeditated.

She definitely doesn't think you guys can survive without Mom talk.

Yeah, we would be happy with her.

Our real friend group, we forget she's a part of it. Genuinely, we forget she's on the show. I do.

Jump scare every time she shows up to content days. I'm like, oh. You really hate her. I don't hate her. I don't respect the inconsistency. That's Scares me. That behavior scares me.

The lack of accountability and acting like, huh?

People don't want me in the group chat. You left the group chat. What do you mean?

You want us to chase you.

Yeah. I'm not going to play the game. It's so grade school to me. I'm I don't respect her. I don't dislike her. I don't have that much energy to give to her. I don't respect her process.

She hasn't apologized to anybody? No.

Is that what it would take? What would it take for you to be- Oh, no.

I would never be friends with her again. Really? Because I was the best of friends with her and Macy, and so I would never, never.

What do you feel like she did to you?

I feel like she could apologize, but I don't think I would ever be the same friends. I could be cordial. Now, I'm not even really cordial.

That just says you don't believe that she'll change.

I know she won't change.

Macy, you've been quiet. I know you have feelings you just expressed for Whitney, but if these ladies have Whitney wrong, how would they have her wrong?

I don't know if she would have done all of what you're saying. I don't know. I think it's because I always like to believe that people have good intentions. I love to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, and that's probably my fault to a T. In my head, I'm like, no, I know Whitney. I don't think she would do that. I think that she did certain things for the plot, and we started filming, it backfired, and then she was like, Oh, shit. Then she was stuck in this thing, and then she was stuck in this thing, and then she's like, Everyone's being mean. I did call her out multiple times, even off camera, being like, Hey, you're being really impulsive. You did this. You knew you're going to have backlash for this.

And she manipulated her by saying, Oh, my gosh, you're so right. Yeah, you're right. I want to change this. And then does the same thing over again.

Macy, I think you're amazing, but we also need to remember that we saw these patterns before even filming.

No, she did it all the time. Remember, she talked crap about me, and then a week later, text me, invite me to things with you guys.

She does it all the time.

I think it's because she feels bad. She talk shit on Taylor all the time. Then when we were coming to California, she's like, No, we don't have to invite Taylor. Then she's like, Oh, guys, I invited Taylor. Just because she wants to be the one that's in control of every situation and be that person. It's like, Oh, Whitney's my number one.

I would love to see nick talk to her because I think you could really get a feel.

We would love to.

We would love to have her, but it is shady that she's in LA and she is not here. What is she doing right now? She's clearly separating herself from you all. She has a plan. Don't know what is, but she clearly has one. Yeah, she does.

We're ready, though, for her.

It's a self-servy plan.

I'm like, I don't want to be involved in this.

Macy's too nice, and I love her so much, but I'm like, what do you have to hold on to in your relationship? I don't know.

I'm just a loyal friend. Even if we're not good friends anymore. I usually try not to talk shit on them. That's a good quality. But if someone really crosses me, then they're dead to me.

I know, but you said it would be over if she didn't come to your event, and then she didn't come to your event.

We're not good friends anymore, though. I'm not chatting her up.

But you still give her the benefit of the doubt.

And defend her.

She leaves you at the airport in California and hops on the plane without you. Wait, what happened?

She literally left you, Macy. That was two weeks ago.

She left you?

In the airport. We had a flight. We were doing press, and then we got to the airport, and I had TSA pre, so she was like, Oh, I'm going to get in line because I don't have it. I went to check my bag, but when we had 40 minutes until the plane took off, you can't get on. You can't check your bag. I told her, and she's like, Oh, I'm still going to try to get on.

I was like, She's cutting people in the security line to get on the plane.

Because I was like, Oh, we could just stand in a lay together, have another day here, go shop, do something fun. She was like, Oh, I'm going to try to get on. She just got on and left me. I was stuck at LAX for seven hours because I would have just stayed the night and went to a hotel to have a fun day. But then I had to stay at the airport because I'm like, Who am I going to hang out with?

I was a little salty. I just wanted to say not a single one of these women in the room would do the same thing.

But I wanted to do it to anyone in here. That's why I was like, That's shitty. But I told her about it in an interview and she was like, Oh, I didn't know. I was like, But how would you not know? You literally left me. Because she does. Whatever. She knows.

She's used to being Queen B.

I think she's just right now, especially because she's in her own little world. She's pregnant. She's really on her family and stuff. That's good. But I don't think she's really aware of anyone.

She doesn't have anything else, any more going on than the rest of us. She's not that important. In her homestead.

I've never seen a situation where... I mean, obviously, her situation with her husband was a very difficult story to tell. She told it. Then I've never seen a situation where someone was upset that someone else took the spotlight off a terrible situation.

Or someone was getting more grace from the internet on their situation.

Or it's Taylor He was just like, Yeah, I got this thing going on. Then, yeah, it's like, Whitney, meanwhile, all of you all were shifted because it could have gone pretty bad. You could have been very judgmental of Whitney's husband, critical.

We love Connor.

I mean, you did not give Connor the same treatment you gave Zack. You know what I'm saying? I felt, no, seriously. Also, Aldrich Saad, that was a hard moment as all these ladies, whether I agree with them or not, were coming at you being like, your husband's a fucking narcissist. By the way, do you think he's a narcissist?

I think he does have some narcissistic trait.

Okay, that's a very honest thing to say. Anyway, it was a hard moment for you to take that meeting, and yet you women could have done that with Connor. She would have loved that. She was mad that you guys didn't. I thought that was just really a bizarre behavior.

We have more context with how Whitney's been, and it was a different situation. Whitney's hard to deal with. She's very hard to deal with. I'm not condoning what Connor did. That was wrong. But such a different situation.

I think the approach with Connor was different. He he owned up to things. I'm not saying that Zack didn't, but the way he handled the situation was very much different than- Taking accountability. Yes. He was very upset, very sad, very humble. It was just a different situation.

I mean, it was episode two, and he's out there just, I don't even know this guy, and he's just- Laying it all out there.

What did my husband say last night to me? My husband was like, If I was married to Whitney, I would still have Tinder and not delete it. I was like, Oh, my gosh.

Jordan said that, of course.

There was that one scene when he came in with the slicked hair in the gold chain. Oh. Remember that? I was like, Is he back on- He's back on Tinder.

Hey, he had a mullet at dinner last night, so maybe he's back on.

No, we love Colin. We do love Colin. He's a really good guy.

He's a really good guy.

I only have one last question when it comes to Whitney, we can move on. Where does she get her style inspiration from?

Valerina Pioneers. The Pioneers, our ancestors.

Can we talk about the way she did flip flops? She needs to throw all those things away and burn them.

No, Whitney has a new vibe every six months. This was her vibe during filming. Before it, it was like slutty '90s. She has a new personality every six months.

But listen, everyone's trying to figure out their own style. I don't think it matters. Whitney hasn't always had the best style. We all change it up. But there was one time we went to film, she was wearing a crock shoe. She was like, Should I wear this strawberry Fuzzy Socks? I was like, Please don't.

It was the first day of filming.

I'm the one. I'm able to tell her something like, Don't wear those shoes, please. Don't do that. She'll usually listen. That day she didn't, but I think that got cut anyways.

Maybe this is part of her plan. Maybe she's the one, she just wants you all getting in a room talking shit, and she could be like, Listen, they're all mean girls.

She's not that smart. She's really not. I think she is. She just digs herself holes and doesn't know how to get out. Then at the end of the day, she's like, Wants to be in control of the situation. It's like, Oh, yeah.

It's not that it takes intelligence to be a villain, though. It doesn't take that much intelligence.

I think that's just how she is.

I think that's just- I know that's how she is. I don't think it was her intention to be the villain. No. I don't think it was.

Her intention was to be the queen of mom talking for everyone to love her and be everyone's number one. It was not to be the villain. Agreed.

But very quickly, when things shifted, I think it was like, especially when we were all talking about how that's who rises to the top. We did talk about it. Then that's how it played out. When you say we talked about it. No. Before leading into, we did our research on reality TV stars and people talking about it. Jessie would send us videos of people who had been on selling sunsets and podcasts and stuff, and they're talking about how being the villain, you are more recognizable.

I said, We need to avoid this. We need to stick together. I think she took it and was like, oh.

If you're the villain, you're one of the main characters. For sure.

Okay, I have a question for you. In your reality TV experience, were you ever the villain? Yes. What was your experience with that? Did you go into that intentionally trying? No.

Okay. Being on the Bachelor in a competition love story is very different from what you ladies did. I definitely wasn't trying. It wasn't a fun experience. I'm grateful that I started out that way because it gave me a lot of perspective. A lot of the mental health struggles a lot of my peers have often come from coming onto the scene as a star. They get a lot of attention, they get a lot of love, and then eventually, fans get bored and they find something to criticize you with. I came into everyone fucking dating me. As soon as I got a little bit of love, I was like, Hell, yeah. It gave me a little perspective, but it wasn't fun. If I had to guess, not knowing Whitney, that I don't think she planned it. She doesn't strike me as someone who's prepared to take that type of heat. She could barely take it from you all. I think she's smart enough to maybe try to make the most of it going forward. I doubt she went in being like, I think she thought she was going to make Taylor the villain. Yes.

It didn't work out for her.

I could see that starting out that way, but I think when it turned, she leaned into it. I should play her mind to say that.

It's just crazy to think that Whitney was the one who reached out to Taylor to hear other side of the story, only for us to watch the beginning where it's Whitney being like, Fuck Taylor.

It just seemed like, Oh, I'm fine. Okay. Well, she came in with agenda. Our first scene filming with Whitney as a group, she was like, Fuck this. Fuck that. Taylor sucks. I was like, What? It felt like she had that planned for sure.

But I think she had resentment for Taylor. I think she- But for what?

Her story didn't even reason it.

Again, it came to the attention thing. It's funny because I'm friends with Whitney and Taylor. When Whitney didn't like Taylor, I was also friends with Taylor. I was like, You don't like her, but there's no real reason. I was like, You're resenting her for the fact that she talked about her Connor thing when she interrupted the miscarriage, right? Then there was also the other thing of her just getting more attention, right? Taylor gets more attention. I think it was more of a jealousy, resentment thing than anything. Once they finally talked, it was like, Oh, I love Taylor. I was like, I told you. Which speaks volumes.

I mean, I would never wish hate on Whitney. I think this might be a hard run for her, just from my experience with the internet and how the internet works. Macy, I do hate that she hasn't Has it been a good friend to you and you continue to still be a great friend to her. Is that just who you are as a person? You're just a ride or die no matter what?

I don't know. I just feel like it's hard, too, because everyone in the group doesn't like her. I feel like, Well, someone has to be nice. I feel like We're still friends, but even after the fact, I was still the one hitting her up and like, Hey, how are you doing? She doesn't really hit me up. I think it's more just I take my space out.

But at what point is that?

In my head, we're cordial, but when are we really going to hang out? Now she moved away, too. I was like, What do I have to worry about? You moved away.

I'll always be that a relationship has to reciprocate what you put into it and what you get. That's just a healthy relationship.

I'm not putting energy into it anymore is what I'm saying. I'm not going to put energy in.

You are, though, because when we're shit-talking, you have to defend her. You Well, I feel bad. Why, though? Why? She doesn't feel bad.

I can see Macy's point. I mean, listen, here's the thing.

Everyone's smashing her in the room, so I'm just trying to tell you how she may feel. Yeah, but think of what she's done to her.

She's not here. She could have been.

She's not defending Whitney. She's not justifying her actions.

She's just- Kind of speaking for her, though, which I feel like if she wanted to tell her story, she should have been here. She could have been here.

I agree. That's fair. If I were to try to make an argument for Whitney's defense, because I feel like I know a lot of Whitney's, and I'm not usually a fan of the Whitney. It's just like, I can't be around you. Again, it's just like, vampire energy suckers. It's just like, I don't, honestly.

Again, we don't know Whitney. She could not.

I don't know Whitney. But people who remind me of her, it's just that I I think when Whitney talks like she's the victim, she believes it.

Yes.

Whether she's right or wrong, the fact that she believes she's being wronged, it's probably coming from some past trauma or whatever it is. That's her reality. Yeah, that's her reality. That's where I think there's empathy to be had for Whitney, where I think there's a times where Whitney can't figure out why everyone's against her. I don't think she realizes maybe her delusion.

Yeah, I don't think she was ever- We all empathize with her.

We've all been through traumatic things, but also I think it came to a point where we're like, I don't want to entertain this because it is energy-sucking. It takes a lot.

That's where you guys, it seems like you've distanced yourselves. You're like, You know what? Fuck it.

I'm not going to fuck with this. Any The analogy that she has made is, Oh, well, I was manipulated, so I'm sorry.

That I did this to you. I just felt like she was trying to be malicious is what I was going to say. I don't think she's purposely trying to be mean to anybody. I just think things just didn't play out the way that she's expecting. She is, though.

I think she's trying to have it her way, and the only The only way she wants to have it her way is doing it how she wants to be done, and then she'll just keep figuring it.

She likes to be in control, and she admits that. Well, she did admit that eventually. I was like, You don't need to control the situations. You just need to relax. I think it's a fault that she did admit later that she loves to be in control, and when she's not in control, it's hard for her.

Good luck. It was really interesting.

Did any of you all reach out to her when she posted the TikTok dancing while her son was very sick?

Oh, that was tough.

We I didn't know her at that time. I didn't know her that I didn't know. No. But I mean, we have been through countless conversations with her calming her down or supporting her.

That was tough.

It's very triggering for her, I will say. She gets asked about it a lot now with press and stuff. I will say, I do feel like people should give her grace because I'm like, You're postpartum. You know you've had a baby. You're not thinking straight. She did something that she heavily regretded later, but she didn't have bad intentions.

Also, we've all made mistakes on the internet.

I mean, it's just for not to. Yeah, for sure. That's what sucks. You make one mistake or one post, and it's like your whole life is what people know you for, which is just so sucky.

I mean, it's like this entire I'm sure Taylor is all she's getting asked about is the swingers and the arrest.

Yeah.

Speaking of Taylor, where do you all stand with Taylor? We obviously talked with her last week. It was a tough conversation. We had to address some very serious situation. But it seems like all you women have been willing to give her grace. From our standpoint, I really respect people who at least attempt at making changes in their life. We We all make mistakes, but a lot of people talk about being different and talk about doing the work. She doesn't talk like she's a finished product, and she talks like she's actively trying. I give her a lot of credit for that. Is that how you all see it?

She's definitely willing to apologize when she needs to and take accountability.

Takes accountability, but she's who she is always. I respect the hell of that. You know where she stands. For sure. Same person in every room.

She's never the victim. She's like, I did that. I messed up, and I'm learning from it. I love Taylor. Yeah.

I agree.

Good to be here. Mikaela, you have been very open about your health struggles.

I thought you were going to say Whitney. I was like, yeah.

Oh, no, we're done with Whitney. We're done with Whitney. No, with your health struggles. What is going on? Where are you now?

I don't even know. I haven't gotten any answers about it, and it's just been never-ending. I've been doing my own holistic side of things. I'm on no gluten, no dairy, no sugar, no potatoes. There's a whole bunch of different cheese brews.

How did it first come out?

It was After I had my daughter and I got weird allergies and rashes, and then it started getting really severe. I got breast implants, and then it got really bad after that. Then I went on a couple of rounds of steroids, and it seems like it just backfired each time until I gained 12 pounds of inflammation and water weight, and I was covered head to toe. My whole body was red, and it was like, there were days I literally couldn't even get up and walk because my knees were just cracked behind, and it was horrible. And so in the beginning of 2024, I took out my breast implant, and that helped a little bit. And then I had other things come up. And then I went to Costa Rica, and I took out all my mercury filling. I'm dealing with a whole bunch of mercury toxicity, and I had an infected root canal that I took out. It was just a whole bunch of shit. I've gotten no answers at all. I've spent so much money in testing and different medications. I've been on three different medications for eczema and stuff, and it never worked.

Yeah, it's really frustrating.

Yeah, it sucks. I'm not sure if you'd want to bring awareness, but you don't know what to bring awareness to.

Exactly. I'm like, I have 10 different things. I think it is. It's really nice to have a community on the internet that's like, Maybe it's this, or I get people sending me pictures all the time of stuff that they have, and they're like, I have this similar thing. This is what worked for me. It is like a blessing and a curse at the same time because it is so frustrating.

I'm always sending her weird TikToks. I know. Is it this?

She's like, Are you wearing cheap earrings? You might have a nickel allergy. It's just a whole bunch of things. It was really hard to go into filming. Do Do you use any cortisone cream? No. I'm against steroids and cortisone, and people go through terrible withdrawals in it. I am going as holistically as possible. Not to say I've been on medications because I came to a point when I was filming, when I was like, I literally wanted to die. It was the worst thing ever. I wanted to get on medication for short periods of time. And so filming was so hard for me because that was when I was basically at my worst or just getting over my worst. I had to go into filming every day not looking like myself. I looked like I had went through chemo. I lost 12 pounds after I got my implants taken out. And then all my eyebrows, my eyebrows were falling out, my hair was falling out, and I just had no answers. So I had to go to filming. I was just crying every time I had to go film because I was like, I don't look like myself.

I wasn't wearing makeup. I didn't look like myself at all.

But she's still beautiful.

You look good. It's always beautiful. I know. I could never look that. Some clips of the thing, I'm like, it's really triggering. So I don't know if I'm going to watch all of it, but I think it's important to bring awareness. I grew up with eczema, and I hate it. I always wear long sleeves, and I was covering myself up always because I was so embarrassed. I had it as a kid. Yes, it's horrible. It's the worst thing. I want to wish it on anyone. But I feel like going into filming, I was like, Okay, I'm going to show up because I know that there's people out there. There's people who are going through something similar, and they wake up every day and just hate looking in the mirror or hate having and dealing with it because it's not only mentally exhausting, it was physically exhausting. It was in pain. It sounds incredibly defeating. Yes. I had three kids. I was taking care of my kids. I had to have my husband take my kids to school and do all the routines. My quality of life was so low because I was a mom. I was like, I can't do anything.

So today, you look amazing. How do you feel?

It comes and goes. I feel like, well, my skin is still red. My rashes are going away, but my skin is still really red, and I'm still having a hard time regulating my body temperature. I'll get really hot, and then I'll go through a period where I'm just shivering for 2 hours. It's a lot, but definitely had improvements. So I'm hoping season 2 that my health is a lot better and I can come back the villain. Just kidding. I'm like, I have my confidence back.

I can- You're like, I'm actually paying for everyone.

I'm actually paying for everyone. She's like, It's actually been me.

I'm like, It's been me, bitches. I'm like, When he's not that smart.

Jen, do you want to address your season 2, whether you will be- Because we thought you were in New York.

Oh, yeah. My husband still supports the show, believe it or not.

He loves it. You're still a part of my talk? Yes.

Also, he was in on the show for a reason. He saw it as a way to monetize and grow my business. Even though you see the villain side of Zack, he actually is very, very supportive and wants me to do it.

Is he in medical school in New York? Yes. He is.

No, not in New York. No, not in New York. That changed last minute.

Where's he at medical school?

Follow me.

The wing.

He's like, Follow me. And Jenna's like, Keep it up.

Oh, yeah. The Afflic of it all. Isn't that funny? Do they even know each other?

They don't. They will now. Yes, definitely. He has to. I know he's wanted to. I'm hoping for a meet and greet. I've talked to my public. He's like, I'm your cousin.

I'm like, no, no.

No, we're trying to get him invited to the premiere. No, seriously.

We're working on it. Just kidding. No, What's so funny is I was named after JLo, and JLo's name is Jennifer Lynn Lopez. My name is Jennifer Lynn Affleck. I'm the last Jennifer Affleck standing.

No, but literally. The last standing. No, literally.

Is that extra pressure?

New JLo in Canada. Just kidding.

I still die in that video. She's like, What are you wearing? She's like, Caparelli.

I'm like, That's going to be me tonight. I'm like, Caprily.

Caprily.

Just kidding. What is being on this show, in this show, about to take over what we hope for you all. What does it all mean to you guys?

I think I hope that other women can relate to us because we all are on different career paths within the same genre. But we all are in different stages of our What do I want to say? Roman religion. We're all on different stages, and I want people to be able to relate and be like, Okay, I can be Roman, and I can also be like this girl. I don't have to be perfect. I don't have to completely leave. If I don't want to, I can still be in the church and be like her. Hopefully, they can see her career and be inspired and our moms.

I can be a mom and still be a boss ass.

We do all the things.

We're all breadwinners, too. So just that you can have a career and also have kids and be married and be successful in your dreams and in your daily life.

Because I think every single one of us have gone through a period with motherhood where I feel like every mom has gone through a period where they just lose themselves, especially because we all were moms at such a young age. So to lose yourself right when you're supposed to be finding yourself into motherhood, it's like, I always say people would ask me, What do you like to do? I'm like, I don't know what I like to do. I like to take my kids to school. I don't know. It's fun that we're all finding our own. It's good to have hobbies and have friendships and businesses. Yeah, just finding ourselves.

Not to go back to the swinging, but is there a swinging community in Salt Lake City. I've never been.

Apparently, a certain gym. A certain gym.

Because everyone found them. So they moved out of fitness, if you're wondering.

They're trying to remain still.

You're looking excited. You don't talk about this, Jen.

It's funny. Macy, how's Baby Mama doing?

Oh, it's doing really good. It was such a grind getting it together for the launch because I was like, Well, I've been working on it for two years, but I wanted to launch it on the show and trying to film a reality show and launch a business in the time frame It was the most stressful thing in my life, especially when we got last minute trips planned. We went to Vegas, and the next day I had to launch my business. I don't have any employees. It was just me. I have a co founder, but he's in Canada. It was little just me trying to recruit my family to help me. It's been really good. But it's definitely a grind going from being an influencer to a physical product for sure. But everything's great.

Tell the audience about it.

Yes. Baby Mama is my natal nutrition business. I should have brought some. You should. I didn't even think about it. We have a fertility gummy, but it can also be for people who are not wanting to get pregnant because it helps with PMS, it helps with all the things. Then we have Prego Mama, so for pregnancy. But also all of our gummies have different ingredients that help with the specific stage of motherhood you're in. We also have a postpartum gummy. That one's specific. It helps with milk supply and water retention. We all have different things for your different stages. They taste good. They taste good. On top of being clean, vegan and gluten free.

I would grow up every time I took a prenatal because I don't know, and the texture of them were good.

I made her taste test them. I also had Wendy taste test them. That's before when we were all friends. Did Wendy like it? When it was like a trio. Yeah, she did. She did like it.

Of course, she did. Even if she didn't like it, she'd be like, Oh, my God, Macy, this is the best thing I've ever eaten. You're so amazing. God, you really hate her.

I think It's hard because it was like a trio.

She was the most apologied to me. I did. I've not gotten it.

It felt like your birthday got used for drama and you were really pissed about it. Oh, yeah.

She was manipulated to be there, so she's sorry that she came. That was like, okay.

Yeah. Anyways, you're all adults. You all knew what was happening. Absolutely. I don't know if anyone can say I got manipulated. No. That's just the old vet speaking. There's some other famous housewives in Salt Lake City. Do you guys run into them at all?

I do a few of their hair.

You do some of their hair? Yeah.

Okay.

The funny story. So two, three years ago, maybe, I was looking at... I own a hair salon. I was looking at my security cameras, and Jen Shah was eating pizza in my break room. I was like, What? So I ran over there and got to meet her and stuff because someone was doing her hair. But I do the new one, Brittany, who's going to be on. She's a friend of. I know Whitney really well.

Have you guys run into Monica?

I'm friends with Monica. I love her. She's a little fire cracker, that feisty girl.

We enjoyed getting to know Monica.

Is she on here? Yeah. I haven't met any of them.

I met one of them at an influencer event.

She now is being pregnant on the show. Really? I saw that. Unfortunately, lost a while.

That was a big moment.

It was so sad. You guys weren't expecting it? No.

If we're not.

That's insane.

Oh, no.

Leila, are you dating?

I currently have a boyfriend. Yes.

Oh, my gosh.

I knew her. I was dating around for a while. I was scared of commitment. Is he? What?

He's a Morman. He's a Morman?

Yes, he is. Yes. He's active.

Good for you. He should get married next season.

Is he worthy? Never has drink, never smoked.

I want to take you guys through a temple recommend interview right now. No, don't do me.

Is that sacrilegious? What is that? Don't do that.

What is that? Tell me more.

They're just questions. They're just questions.

They're You're being recruited?

No, actually, you wouldn't even know the questions because they're super long.

Because you're not temple worthy.

You wouldn't know the questions, sweetheart.

They have changed. Yeah, they have changed, but it's a line of questions that you're asked one on one with the bishop of the ward to see if you're worthy.

Here's a question. Speaking of sexism in the church, something young men in the Mormon faith, correct me if I'm wrong because I'm just a bystander, but they go on a mission?

Yeah.

Is that only men? Two years.

No, Women are a year and a half, right?

And then men are two years.

Is it still two years? Yeah.

It doesn't sound very equal.

It's just like a weird.

There's extra six months.

That's right.

I think it's so that the women can wait six months while their man's on their mission, and then they can go on for the year and a half, and then they meet up at the end of their marriage.

Is that relatively new? Have women always been able to?

They have, but it's not as common. I feel like it's more of an expectation for men. You don't have to, but it's more expected of men and not as expected of women.

Then they do elder missions, too, right? When people are in their 60s, they'll go on a couple of missions together. Mission President. That's cute.

Brett randomly brings that up once every other week. I'm not kidding. He's like, I can't wait to serve a mission with you. I'm like, What?

He's getting to that age, Dimitri. Dimitri, what's that? I'm so bad. He's two years away from that. You better start thinking of it, babe.

He's two years away from that. He's two years. You'll be the age gap jokes. They're everywhere.

We love him. We love our grandpa.

I love Brett.

Who's still growing their families.

Trying. My hand stuck under the bed.

We've been trying for four years and nothing yet. That was a big storyline that I don't think made it. In the show, I mean, Brett literally jacked off into a cup on camera. Good for him. It didn't make it. They put a box over it. Actually, no, we actually had sex, which was even more awkward. I should have just given it to Andy.

I don't know why you did that.

We were trying to make it normal. It made sex weird for two months.

Yeah. Why did it get to be normal? Never once did I have sex for him to I was in a cup. I was like, Where did you go? The room felt like a hotel.

We were like, Let's just make this as normal as we can. Nothing about it was normal. There was paper on the table. There was cameras outside the door.

Was it the paper that crumples when you sat on it? I don't know.

I don't It didn't spice things up.

That sounds hot.

That sounds sexy.

Oh, no. But you're still trying and still keeping the face. Still trying.

Yeah, we'll see. It's been four years, so we'll see what happens.

I'm going to be her surrogat at this point. I know.

Just knock me Or Jen.

We've talked about it.

I'm just kidding. You're about to tummy tuck. I won't put you through that.

How does the church feel about that? Surrogacy.

I think it's just left up to- Or do you not give a fuck? I don't care. I don't care, but they also have taken a step back when it comes to your relationship and you growing a family. It's like, whatever works for you. Yeah.

Because we do IVF and there's no issues. I always say we have two babies in the freezer because I just think it's fun. But we have two embryos. We might get pregnant, hopefully soon. Maybe. We'll see.

Also, what is of the Commandments. It's a multiplic or punish the Earth.

Do you guys have different Commandments than the rest of us? No.

I don't know.

Is it the 10?

Yeah.

We have the King James version of the Bible, which is a pretty standard in Christianity. The Saint Joseph.

Saint Joe. It's the same. I will never get over that.

Any final thoughts before we let you ladies go?

We can bring up Fruity Pebbles if we want, but we also don't have it. What was that?

We'll see that for another time. No, we're here.

It's a mystery.

You don't have to say.

Who did they do that to? I don't know. That was to me. I don't know.

It was to me.

Do you not want to talk about it?

It's something that I'm just going to keep the mystery going.

You should. Yeah, you should on that one, please.

I think it's a fair play. It's a good cereal. Absolutely. Yeah, I'll tell you afterwards.

nick is interested. What the fuck is... Nick loves cereal. His favorite is Coco Pebble.. You don't want Coco Pebble.

You don't want Coco Pebble. You don't want Coco Pebble.

You're going to grab it.

He's going It's going to ruin Coco Pebbles for you.

It's going to ruin Cyril.

You guys are going to ruin cereal.

We are. It's going to ruin cereal. I need to. It's not as bad as you think, but- No, it is. I'm sad.

I'm still traumatized to be.

It was the most shocking thing I've ever heard.

I will never forget when you told us.

Okay, well, I thought, and you already said this wasn't it, so I'm going to go ahead and tell the world that I thought it was him eating Fruity Pebbles.

Out of her butt?

No, that would be mild.

That would be mild.

She said that wasn't it.

I'm not going to say nothing.

You We can't say anything.

Okay, we'll let the people continue to miss.

I love an exhibitionist, so no judgment. Ladies, it's been so much fun. Congratulations on the show. The Secret Lives of the Morbid Wives. I hope everyone watches. It's very good. Nelly and I easily watched it over the weekend. It's a good binge. I hope you all binge and enjoy. We look forward to season 2. Jen, we're going to keep you at your word because I'm done. You'll see me there. Good luck on the marriage. You're a good sport. But I appreciate you answering our tough questions. Ladies, you all seem great. Honestly, thanks for being so fun. Honestly, I think there's a lot of fascination with your culture and religion. Thanks for opening up the doors and giving us a little bit more of a glimpse into a very fascinating lifestyle.

For sure.

Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Nice to meet you guys.

Nice to meet you. Well, thanks for listening, guys. Don't forget to send in those questions at asknick@thevalfiles. Com. For all things Ask nick, we'll see you back tomorrow. Bye.

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