Today's guest is an award-winning country musician and songwriter. He's out of North Carolina and has gone on to become one of the biggest names in entertainment. He has a new album, Fathers & Sons, which is coming out just before Father's Day. I'm thankful to sit with him today, my new friend, Mr. Luke Cohn.

Shine that light on me. I'll sit and tell you my stories. Shine on me. And I will find a song I'll be singing.

I'm on stage. That's galvanized, didn't it? It is.

Yeah, you can really hear the nails go across it. That's how you know it's got rivets inside of it.

To make it sound so good. That's like red neck ASMR. It's like, you know there's just some dude who woke up in his trailer and he's trying to quietly eat the leftovers without his wife here in a minute.

Hold on, there is a guy, dude, and don't ask me how this comes across my feed. But it's like, day 600 of me spraying dog medicine on my hands till I can strike a match off my knuckles. I'm like, why do I care so much about this guy striking a match off his knuckles? But dude, and at the end of every video, dude, it's him. At the beginning, he'll go, now there's a sensory nightmare at the end of this video, and it's him going… It's like his sandpaper-ass hands going in the mic, dude. Dude, it's worth it. Here it is, dude. We've got it up. Here it is, dude.

We got one.

I'm going to spray dog medicine on my hands in order to make the skin of my hands tougher. Here it is.

Don't forget to like, share. Wow, he's good at it. The dog medicine, blowing like champagne. I went to the doctor today and asked him about toughwood.

Dude, he's sand in the wood with his hands, dude.

Oh, wow.

My guy is for real.

He's a real... He's an instrument of the Lord, brother.

Here's my question is, what's the end thing? What happens at the end? Halfway, is there a... Here it is, dude, dog medicine. Oh, wow. Now, what is the dog medicine? What do you think the real function of that medicine is? Here it is. Can we get some audio on this guy's hands, dude?

Jack us in, brother. Jack us into some of this guy's hands. Oh, wow. So this is a gentleman you can't see him at home, guys. This is a Rubenesque gentleman who is making his hands rougher and then…

The sound is heinous. It really is, dude.

And then he just rubs them together.

He just rubs them together, dude. Yeah.

Dude, he will probably be the President in three terms.

Here he is. He's trying to strike a match, dude.

And here he is striking a match on his knuckle.

Now, he can strike a match on his feet, which is a feat in and of itself.

That's a start, man.

It's wild. God.

We had a guy, one of you, that came to a show, and he's like, Hey, man, me and my cousin, we love you. Look at him. And he goes, he's missing 70% of his skull, right? And the dude had a cool thing, though, where if he put his finger in his mouth and went, then the other part of his head would show I'm not going to show up, dude.

That happened.

Yeah, dude. Oh my. Pikeville, Kentucky, brother.

Dude, that is wild, dude.

You don't need all your skull to party over there.

Dude, that is wild, dude. Dude, people are fascinating, dude.

Oh, we had a guy. We used to have a really great, I don't want to say homeless guy, but a guy who just hadn't been home probably in a decent amount of time. Unhoused. Yeah, I would say unhoused.

I think that's the... Right.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But when he'd smile, he had a couple of his teeth in his hand that I guess he'd fallen out or something. And when he'd smile, he would still make the shape, and he would show you the teeth. You know what I'm saying? So he just had them.

That was his party trick. Yeah. He just helped me out. Do you think he's like, need money for veneers?

Oh, I don't know. Now, that's the thing.

Here's the teeth that I need.

Look, just for proof.

Just for proof. I'm actually missing these teeth.

Just check my work here. Yeah, people are just interested. I mean, dude, even the places you'll stay, like I stayed at a place the other night. Sometimes we'll stay at some pretty nice spots, and sometimes it's just the- Like an outdoor.

When the doors are on the outside, you know that you've arrived at a certain level of establishment. Yeah, that's true. And there's nowhere to go but down from that. That's the top level of that. Yes.

When there's doors inside.

And then as the doors get more and more open. I went and we checked in one. God, this had to be six years ago. We played a show somewhere at Columbia, South Carolina. And then we had a show in the Outer Banks the next day. This is like van and trailer, no manager. It's just me and the band. I'm trying to check into the rooms and stuff. So we drove from Columbia. We're supposed to play a tailgate at Clemson the next morning. So we're trying to get that in, make an extra $800, me and my guitar player, and then get in the van and go play our show. So we drive from Columbia to Clemson, a couple of hours. The show is over at 11:00 or 12:00. So then we get to the damn hotel. It's 2:00 in the morning. Checking all the rooms. I get all the bangles in the rooms, and it's one of these doors on the outside. I go to my door. The door's open, dude. It's already open. It's already cracked a little bit.

This door is already talking shit.

The lights are on in the room, and I'm like, Man, this is probably good. So pop in that room, dude, and it looked like the cicadas came out of the room. Really? It wasn't cicadas. It was every bug known to me. Because the doors on the outside, it's been open since checkout. Which is at least 12 hours, dude, with all the lights in the room on. Go to the desk and I'm like, Hey, I'm an easy guy.

Yeah, I hate to complain.

But I can't sleep in a room full of bugs. And they were like, Oh, we don't have How many other rooms. That was the last.

That's the last room. But there's nobody in the parking lot.

No, there's nobody there. Well, it's more of an extended type.

Oh, I see what you're saying.

Stay, I would imagine.

If they have a blender in there, that's extended stay.

When there's anything to cook with, you've reached another level. Yeah, another level of hotel.

Yes, some hotels there's... One time I remember, I called down to the front desk. I was like, Hey, do you guys have Internet? And the guy Let me check. And I'm like, What? Let me check.

Let me see. Hold on. I haven't heard of that. I'll get back to you.

But then I hear him.

He's actually cooking.

Looking it up on the computer.

He goes to Google, Do we have Internet? That Google search.

Dude, one time we stopped in Lexington, and I went in to check in, and it was during the pandemic, so people were on their wits in here and there. Sure. You'd see people wearing neck braces for no reason, all type of stuff. People didn't know what was going on.

Yeah, assorted medical device.

Yeah, it was very assorted medical. This dude, I go in there, and it took him forever, bro. He just find out there's a room. I was like, Is there anything I can do to expedite this? He's like, I'm Sorry, sir. And then he goes, You know, I used to be in a wheelchair.

I was like, He used to be.

Well, that's the thing.

So he's not currently in it?

No. And it wasn't like I was just out of a wheelchair, like work with me here. It was just throwing something from the past, I think. I had a broken arm at one time.

It's not currently broken, but it was.

Yeah. Excuse me.

Did he give you any... He's making an excuse for just you trying to hurry him up.

There's no reason to hurry things here.

He's like, Hey, man, give me a fucking break. I used to be in a wheelchair.

I used to be in a wheelchair. I was like, I used to be in the fifth grade. It doesn't really It doesn't matter that you used to be. Yeah, and keep the chair. If you still are in a wheelchair, if I notice somebody will try them in a wheelchair, I'm going to be like, What can I... I'm going to work with you here. I'll even take a ride with you or whatever. But if there's somebody who's like, Yeah, I used to Yeah. But anyway, nice to see you, man. Yeah.

We fired right into the dog mess and hands guy. Fast, dude.

Dude, yeah. Some of that, though, stay in different places. I mean, it's... It gets easier to rough it when you're younger.

Dude, for sure. Well, once you haven't not roughed it. When roughing it is the only experience, which was... That's what it was forever, dude. I mean, in the van, the 15-pasture van, it's like-Oh, you had that long boy, huh? Yeah, man. But when we had back roads out, then it's all the gear. Oh, yeah. So it's less than 15 seats. But there's six guys in there, all these amps, guitars. It was a mess, dude. It was truly a mess. I feel bad for some people now, though, I think of, let's say you're a new artist, and let's say you have a song that blows up on the internet or whatever, and then you're just thrust into this really official version of yourself, even if you're maybe not ready for that.

I see what you're saying. Even if you just have one or two songs, you can have something blow up so hard online.

And that you have to to get a label and all this stuff. It's not that... That's sick, dude. I'm glad that people have the capability to achieve that for themselves now, because that was something that wasn't really achievable up until maybe seven or eight years ago, I think. But you miss so much of all those good memories from the road and when it sucked and playing bars and nobody's there. All my favorite stories, man, from my music career, a lot of them are from that time. Yeah. From the unofficial days. You know what I mean? There's no... An unofficial biography, dude. You know what I mean? It's like, those are the days. But I feel like people are missing that a little bit.

Yeah.

If you just go right on the tour bus, dude, There's no strife. That's all you know.

It's a good point. It's like catch one hit or one melody that really catches fire on social media, and then you can be opening up for someone.

For sure. And then you go, that's your first experience being on the road is I'm in a bus and I play in arenas, which, dude, that would be super sick.

It's amazing, but still, it could set you up for some reality.

What happens when you start way up here, and not that that's all the way at the top, but if you kick past people that have been doing it for 10 years, and then all of a sudden you're... Because in country, there's a lot of these guitar pulls and stuff where you... Let's say there's three or four of us up here. We're all new artists. We're all playing for this radio station thing, whatever. It's like, let's say one of those guys makes it to the thing. Right. Well, let me just paint an example of what could happen. You're a new guy or gal, and you have a song that blows up, and that's sick, dude. I'm pumped for anybody that that happens to. But all of a sudden, you're at the same level of, let's say, in the vacuum of this story, the new artist that you're up there with is Chris Stapleton. Right. And then you're sitting up there, you maybe have never met anybody you're playing with, and they're like, All right, man, this Chris guy is going to go first, and then you'll play a song after him, dude. And he fires into just the most singing-ass, guitar-playing-ass thing you've ever heard.

That guy has played a thousand shows, dude. And you're up there going, I got to play after this. And I have to do it five more times in front of all these people, and he's just blow the doors off. It's like you've entered your Honda Civic that won a race in your neighborhood against the guy driving a NASCAR. It's so hard to compete against that. Yeah, dude.

Oh, no doubt. And your song has a dance that goes with it.

And it's acoustic. So the version where the dance is cool is not even the one you get to play at this thing because it's just you and some guy that plays guitar you met at a coffee shop.

But do you think, though, it could be a sign of the way that things will be? I remember when vloggers came out, right? And there were people vlogging. I didn't even know what was going on. And people were trashing it. Yeah, people would trash it for sure. But those guys would sell out... The vloggers would sell out comedy clubs around the country. People would come, and they would do Q&A with their fans. And so that came out of nowhere. And then I just wonder if the future is more-Instant. Right.

Like, instant success.

Right. No judgment of it.

No, dude. But just looking at it. No, dude. It's just a sign of the times. I think just from maybe in 30 years or whatever, like you're saying, that's the only way it happens.

Right. That's what I'm wondering. I wonder if things just evolve where that's the only way.

But eventually, that thing will be monopolized by somebody. Somebody will figure that out. It's probably already happening in some ways. I don't know the powers that be, whatever you're going to call it, will figure out some way to make this thing. Okay, here's the formula for how you do this and how you break this. That's probably already happening a lot, to be honest. Here's how we do. We got a new guy. He looks fucking really cool.

Here's this cool song, and then go sing this cool song, and that's cool.

Then they're like, great. That guy's already signed this deal. But everybody thinks, what's the thing that people... The conspiracy theories, Oh, that guy's an industry plant.

Oh, yeah, that's the best. That's not really a thing.

I don't think, dude. I don't think that's a thing.

Especially in If you're going to look at real country culture, an industry plant, dude. People would notice anybody that can button their shirt up correctly first time.

Yeah, they'd be like, This guy is going to be something, dude.

Oh, yeah. Dude, in our neighborhood, if somebody had a gasoline, people are like, Look at this narc.

They're like, Look at this guy with his car over here, dude.

It's like, Oh, you're working for the cops? That was the biggest thing when I was growing up was always accusing people of being narcs, dude. Somebody would get a new pair of shoes and be like, Yeah, Ron, he's a fucking narc. Look at him.

He's working with the man, dude. He's obviously an informant, dude, this guy. But though, man, it's definitely going to be... But then it's like, where does it always wonder, where does it progress from there? When that's the new thing, what's the next new thing? There'll always be another version of what's the way to your path to achieving your music dreams or your comedy dreams or whatever it may be, the path is ever evolved me. I think really the first guy in country music that used social media to his advantage was Caine Brown and probably me. The first guys that came to Nashville, we had our own fans going on. The internet helped us get fans. Then we came to town, it was like, Well, these guys already got stuff going on. I'm in no way shaming anybody that does that because I was the first. Oh, not being anybody that does that because I was one of the first guys that... And I didn't even know I was doing it, dude. Now people are probably smart enough to... They're doing that because they're smart. I was just doing it because I was like, Oh, well, this will...

I was like, You know what I'm going to do is get all these followers and sell them my songs? There was never that.

Well, you started on Vine, right? Yeah. Was that the social media platform? Yeah. And that's the thing, too. It's like, you don't know where the next social media platform is going to come. This is a crazy thing. And there's a lot of artists out there who are like, Man, maybe I don't find my way with this social media platform. But there could be one about to be invented that's going to be the one that fits you.

There's always something... Because what does it start with? It starts with MySpace.

Right.myspace, Facebook, Instagram. Dude, remember they also had friends, or they had some other weird things.

No, TikTok, wasn't it Musically?

It was before?

It was only where people would lip sync to songs. That was the I remember seeing it and I was like, Man, this is a weird platform. And they rebranded, and it was the hugest thing ever.

Oh, wait, was that where people would do duets together? Yeah. No way.

That was TikTok. That was the original version of TikTok was that thing.

I had a secret account there, a fence account or whatever, and I would go and do these duets with these Japanese people. It's a lot of Asian singers on there, and there was always duets. You could do it any time of the day with people from around the world.

Yeah.

I mean, that's invaluable.

Yeah, musical. Ly, Musically.

That's a horrible name.

So they merged. So TikTok was another, I guess, its own company. They kept their name.

When you have a B flat or whatever that is in your word of your name, dude, that's I'm out. Yeah.

Not great marketing there, dude.

Oh, I didn't know that, too. That was though.

Because I remember when it came, I was like, Man, this is brutal, This is not going to be. They figured something out, dude.

For anybody who had the app already, musically, it just became TikTok. I remember it was an old app on my phone.

He had it, dude. He was rip, dude. You were rip in duets, dude. Pull up some of your duets on Musically, dude.

This guy's been vaping all day.

Let's get those, dude. Let's get those going. Let's be honest. Old popcorn lung in there, dude.

Well, now, is it hard to make Is it hard? Once you've been real fortunate and had a great career, right? Oh, my gosh.

The luckiest dude ever, yeah. Yeah.

And I didn't mean like that.

No, I feel that way, dude.

Anybody who gets... Yeah, it's like you get... Obviously, there's a lot of good fortune that's going your way.

But, dude, I've thought this a million times. I thought before my last record come out, before the one before that came out, I'm like, Dude, this is the best I'll ever be, dude. Everything I do from here out is just going to be bad. Yeah. And it's like, I don't know why. It's human nature to some extent.

Yeah, that seems normal.

Because then when I put my last record out and then the fast car thing happened, that was so unexpected. It was not... Never in a million years did I think, What will be the biggest song of your whole career definitely wouldn't have cover a fast car would not have been on the list. Not because I didn't love that song, but I really recorded it on a whim because we had some extra time in the studio. Sometimes those decisions can be the best decisions. But I do think I'm like, Man, well... I'm sitting here right now, and I could tell you that today, I've at some point mold over my, What happens next? Or what's my next thing? God, nobody cares, dude. If I don't do this thing, then nobody's going to listen. It's like, Bro, I'm going to be playing for 120,000 people this weekend, and I'm still going, Well, nobody cares, dude. Nobody wants to see me or anything. It's just like I have I need to remind myself all the time of like, if I try to have this conversation with myself is if the thought process is that I go over with myself in my head now, if I had them with myself 10 years ago, what would myself 10 years ago, say, because this will be my 10th year in Nashville in September.

I see. And so I go, Man, well, nobody cares if I post this Instagram story and it only gets... Only 150,000 people liked it, which is insane. It's an insane thought process.

Oh, yeah. It's a lot of folks.

But that's what I think to myself today. And I'm based like, Well, did this post? Did it do good? And I'm like...

And if you feel like it wasn't, then suddenly you're not good. Ten years ago, 150,000 people had never even heard of me before, ever, dude.

Never, ever. And then again, I'm like, also, I got two little kids at home, and my oldest son isn't even two yet.

Oh, so he definitely is probably still eating for free over there.

Yeah, he's not pulling his weight off. It's brutal. The guy's got to get to work. It's time.

They should have. I know how there's a lot of playpins for children, but how about a work pin? A work pin then. We don't need a lot of work in there.

It could just be things that could be considered play. You know what I mean? Hit this nail into this thing.

Right. Some, yes.

But how do we get chain mail gloves on so that they don't hurt themselves? Like a chain mail mittons for your child.

So you can have a Game of Thrones Halloween costume. Absolutely. How do we get chain mail on these children?

Chain mail. Chain mail children, dude. Dib's on that band name, by the way.

Oh, that's a good name.

Chain mail children is sick, dude.

Chain mail children is a good name.

Someone on that post-punk-Chain mail children. Chain mail children. That's what I'm going to see tonight. Basement East, Chain mail children, dude.

Are they playing tonight?

They're playing tonight, Chain mail children, yeah. Damn, dude.

I heard about them. Where'd I hear about them? Come to the show.

You heard I was about it on this past weekend. Oh, really? Yeah, and myself. Was that it?

I don't know if that was it.

That was the first reference to their career. Yeah, it was.

Dude, I remember I went to... Oh, Marilyn Manson was the first show that I ever went to. What was that like? It was scary, dude.

How old were you?

I was 16. They played in a bar. Oh, man. Maybe I was 15, 15 or 16 around there.

You say they?

The band.

Is there a band? Is it like-Oh, is Marilyn Manson- Is it just him?

No, he has a- So there's a band and stuff.

I've never seen the show.

Yeah, that's a good point. Is there a band? Yeah, you can't really think of somebody being behind that guy with a trumpet.

Right. Like a march, like a drum line.

Yeah. It's interesting. Who did they have? They had Twiggy Ramirez. I don't know who's still in it.

Oh, so this is like there's a whole... There's a persona to the as well then.

Oh, yeah. The whole band was, I think, Semi-deceased or whatever was what they were going for.

Semi-deceased? Another great band name. By the way, we got to trademark all these, dude. Semi-deceased, opening for chainmail children.

Oh, that happens. What happens, dude? And there's Mosh pit training if you show up a half hour early, bro. That was the best-Safety training.

How to stay safe in the mosh pit.

Dude, my buddy used to referee mosh pits, and he would give him 50 bucks a night or something.

Wait, so is there a penalty? Is there laundry on the field, dude? Is he like, B, B, B, but hold on, dude. You hit that guy improper, dude. Improper hit, dude. Is it like a bouncer situation?

Yeah, he does.

He was the guy that's like... But it wasn't like, Don't hurt this guy. He was like, Just don't call on the stage. No, he was-Stay away from the stage.

No, he was like, once the mosh pit got going, he would cruise in and out of it, keeping things cool, whistle, sometimes a little flashlight.

It'd be sick to have a guy in there that's just like, you get a couple of lesser known UFC guys, and you just put them in the crowd, and you're like, Dude, just wreck people in there. You know what I'm like, If some guy's out of hand, just flatline this dude in front of everybody. Everyone's like, Man, we should chill a little bit.

Just become your own policeman. Yeah, this is it. Oh, okay. That guy didn't like some of the other guy's behavior.

So that That guy was, in theory, what your friend was... What I just said, you go in and just jaw a guy and make an example out of somebody. I love that, dude. What a gig, dude. $50? That seems underpaid for that thing a little bit, dude.

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Yeah. That's It's wild. It's crazy to... For the sake of what it is, not having really talked about it at all, really.

When you put out a new album, how tough is it to Because you know what your fans like, or people that come to see you have a general idea. For sure. And then, yeah, is it spooky to try and change that, but also evolve for yourself? And then who am I even becoming? That thing?

Yeah, man. I I think about that a lot. Going back to when we were talking a little bit ago, what do you think about yourself or your career? What's next? I've always said this to myself was I want to grow up with my fan base. Somebody that listened to me, that's been a fan of me. Well, maybe it's been 10 years, dude. I mean, I'm 34. So when I was 24, I just moved to Nashville. I did have some fans, not a lot, but some. And I meet people that are like, Dude, I was a fan. I've been a fan since the Vine days, dude. I still meet people that I say that. If you were a fan of mine then, let's say even if you were 18, so you were six years younger than me, well, now you're not 18 anymore. You're 28. You could be 28, you could be married with kids, whatever it is. And there's a huge part of me that I worry, Will I age myself out? Does anybody even want to hear songs about being a dad or whatever? And it's like, I hope so, but I also, I don't want to...

I felt like I could go get with... I'm not the world's best writer, but I'm lucky to be friends with a lot of guys that are, I feel like. And so I could go get in a room with them and write something like, Bear and the Broke My Heart or When It Rains It Pores. I could try to recreate that time and time again. Sometimes I want to do that because selfishly, I'm like, Well, that would make me this, or That would give me another big song or whatever. But it's like, I've just been... Like I said, I've got two boys that are under two years old, man. So my life is dominated by the thoughts of being there for them and I want to be their dad first. So I had to write this. I had to do this project because it's the only thing that's been on my mind. When I go get in the writing room and someone's like, Man, let's write something fun, dude, and this up-tempo thing. It's hard to get in that mindset because all the things I'm doing is like, grill dogs and like playing in the kiddie pool.

Tickling kids or whatever. But it's hard to get in that The mindset of like...

Yeah, you can't have tickled that kiddo and have it be...

Chainmail children, that's one of their songs.

This is going to turn into fundraiser for kids who have been abused, maybe. But It's funny that you say some of that because I sat one day, I was sitting with this guy that owns a management company for comedians. They own probably the biggest management company. He was saying, well, you want to grow up with your fan base. You want to because they're going to evolve. And if you just stay like this, not stay, but if you're... If you fail to evolve, then-Right. You're not going to-It can become stale.

It's like it just becomes, okay, man, well, except for the one guy that's eating 10,000 Big Macs or whatever it is, you can't eat it every meal, dude. I mean, not that they're not good, but you want a little something like the menu has got to expand a little bit. And not that you can't come back to the classics at some point.

Oh, yeah. My mother would always get a McFish, I remember. Mcfish, dude. It always-Is that the pre-filet of fish? The second she ordered it, I was like, I don't even know her anymore. Mcfish. Mcfish, dude. Isn't that crazy? I didn't know they had it. She did it to be like-She was evolving with her fan base, dog.

You know what I'm saying?

She was.

We were learning new stuff. Yeah, you were learning the flavor of the week, dude. He's a McFish guy. You know what I mean?

But she would get us to be quiet, and then she would order the McFish, and I'll be like, Nobody cares if we're loud while you order it. It's not going to make us any not It's not going to break us.

The people at the window will think we have class if you guys aren't screaming while I order this McFish.

You know what I mean? That right there, Luke, that is exactly who my mother is. That is exactly who she is. I've never been able to put it in the door.

You damn kids, shut the hell. Let me horse make this McFish right now. It's like, little- Yes. Yeah, little Theodore will have a junior children's meal.

I'll I have. She would get everybody out.

She's definitely not a shit ass who stole a bike last week, for sure.

And I'll have a McFish. She was like...

That was the class. They're like, Now, is that wild caught Or is it farm-raised? I'll take blackened, the Blacken to McFish. I'll have...

Yeah, the Blacken.

It was such a tragedy. It's wild caught, dude. It says no chance, dude. That it's wild caught.

It does. Hold on.

There is no chance, dude.

Well, Luke, now give them their chance. Look, Luke, this is probably legitimate information. They have a JPEG with it. Our fish sandwich recipe features a crispy fish filet patty. That's the interest. Filet patty is a weird term.

Filet patty? Complete contradiction, dude, right there. That's like saying, dude, this rib eye steak, that's now a hamburger, though. But it was a rib eye steak at one point.

Yeah, this Filet McNugget is really up to no good. It says, Wild caught Alaskan Pollock on melty American cheese, and it's top with creamy McDonald's tartar sauce. Wow.

Next guest for the show needs to be a guy that works on the McDonald's fishing vessel.

Yes.

Because we need a little bit of-The McCaptain. The McSkipper, dude.

We need the McSkipper. We need the McSkipper, dude. We need the McSkipper, dude. We should get to the bottom of-Is it really-Fish.

Can we find the guy that caught my filet of fish, my McFish? He's out there, dude. He's out there. He's in Alaska right now, dude.

I don't know if he's in Alaska.

The salty dog. Dude, that caught that McFish, dude, is out there, dude.

I believe that the guy's ever been to Alaska.

Wild caught, dude. Wild caught, though.

That's the part I'm not sure of. I don't even know what we've talked about so far, but it's about father and something. I know you have some new children, right? Yeah. I know your family moved here. I remember hearing you talk before on Joe Rugen, that your family had moved to Nashville.

Yeah, my parents moved to town. Yeah.

How's that been?

It's been awesome. I mean, it's been an adjustment for them. Most of my life lived in Asheville, North Carolina.

It's fun over that Orange Peel. We played in there before.

Yeah, I love the Orange Peel, man.

It's a great place. That whole town is just... And also the hillside, you could just roll off of a building and end up in a damn different county, almost.

Yeah, you could, dude. But it was an adjustment period for... Especially my dad, you know what I mean? I mean, all his buddies lived there. I remember a buddy of mine telling me, I think it's just this whole dad's project is just all these different thought process that happened with, excuse me, the way my dad sees things things and the way that I see things now and the way I see things, maybe what was his perspective when he was doing this with me or what are my kids going to think about me or how am I going to be remembered by them? I remember a friend of mine who wrote on this project with me. He was telling me it was his dad's 70th birthday recently, and he called his dad and he was like, Well, you know, old man, how does it feel? And he said, Well, ain't no way around it, pal. This is the ninth ending. And I just remember being like, God, what a thought. What a like... And it was just like, I remember, I've never forgot that quote because I think That a lot of the struggles that my dad had come in here, or it was a combination of like, okay, well, he's moving on from...

They lived in Nashville for 25 some years, dude, in the same house. They raised me there and all these memories that are left behind and friends that are left behind and everything that you know has changed. And then also coming to terms with the fact that you yourself are aging and maybe that fear of what's next or How long do you have? I can't imagine what that process is like, but that quote stuck with me.

Did your relationship with your dad change after you had boys? You have two boys?

I have two boys, yeah. I had a lot more I had a lot more understanding and grace for decisions that he made or things that maybe I did that I didn't understand, well, why is he upset about this thing? Or why would this make him upset? I've had friends in the last couple of years that have lost their dads and watching them go through that. It's just this constant theme of that's where we are in life. We're at this weird turnover point where people begin to lose their parents, and then soon you will be the oldest man in your family, which is a scary thought, even though I'm only 34, but you're like, okay, if I'm 40, am I the oldest generation of maybe man that my children will know. Yeah, hopefully, probably. It's a weird thought. It's a weird thought. It's just like it's a strange...

Oh, yeah.

It's a strange time for sure, in a good way, but it's just-Yeah, there's so many little phases you go through.

You could be a son, a brother, an uncle, a dad, a grandpa. There's all these little roles and stuff that you have. Yeah, getting older, almost all my friends have children, except me. I was like, I got to get some damn children. But you can't just be yelling that off your back porch. You got to actually have a game plan, too, and get a spouse.

That would be a good strategy for sure. That'd be a good start, for sure. It'd be a good start. Good jumping off point, I think.

What were some of the songs I listened to? Front Door Famous? That's awesome. Yeah, I love that. That one made me really feel something.

Yeah, I love the whole thing, man. It turned out I cut the record live, so it was just like we just cut it on the floor like me. Two different sessions. One evening, we cut five songs. The other evening, we cut seven.

And so when you say cut it live, what does that term mean?

So we would just, let's say we're in a room this, and it's almost set up like a show in the studio. And then they just hit record and play the whole thing down, and that's what you're hearing. We did that twice for each song, and then they went, Okay, well, this one's better than the other one. So that's the one we're using. When we normally make a record, it's not. It's more of a timed. So I think, you'd have to fact check me on this, but I don't think in some ways that Stapleton gets the credit he deserves because he records all of his records like that. Wow. It's so hard to do that, dude. You have to be... The artist has to be so dialed in. Obviously, the musicians are unbelievable anyways.

That's just one take. That's it.

Yeah. Or if you mess up, it's like, Well, we got to do another take now. It's not like... There's no stopping and starting.

There's no mixing and matching.

There's no mixing and matching. It's all just top to bottom. I would do every record if I could. I enjoyed that process so much because the stakes feel high.

It feels like it just means something.

Hey, man, I got to bring something to this take, dude. It's not another sing this line six times, and then if you- Package it together. Right. It separates in a lot... Dude, and I'm With the Stapletons of the world, it separates the strong from the weak. If every record had to be recorded like that, a lot of your favorite artists would not be recorded. You know what I'm saying? It takes such a level of I'm not saying that I have that. I don't want to sound like that. But when you look at the creases of the world and the other people that do that, and I mean, the studio musicians deserve so much credit, dude. I mean, those guys are wicked, dude. I mean, it is unreal how good those guys are, man.

Oh, yeah.

Such an underappreciated part.

I've never been a studio musician, but it looks insanely hard. It's a lot of the best people in the world, really.

I would say, yeah, a lot of the best musicians in the world live in Nashville. I mean, without a doubt. And not just country We're talking bass players, guitar players, drumers. It's like a lot of them are guys that unless you live in that super niche community, you've never heard of. Some of the best drumers in the world, you've never heard of them, but they play on every record that you've ever listened to.

I know. It's wild, huh? It's really wild, the limitedness that we usually know about the people on stage a lot of times.

Yeah, the behind the scenes guys, dude. Even my guys in my band, they're not even the guys playing on the record, dude.

What? Oh, because you use a different group to- The session players are a whole different thing than the studio guys.

Not that those guys couldn't be both if they chose to. But most of the best session players are just session players. I mean, they go, and dude, I'm talking, you just blow your mind. Like your favorite drummer, favorite drummer is a session player. Right. Your favorite bass player's favorite bass player is a session player. And those guys are just underthought of. If you go looked at the credits of any country album for the last 10 years, who's playing Fiddle or who's playing Dobro, it's the same three, four cats. Any instrument, I mean, there's three, four guys of any instrument that's like, that's the guy you call or that's the girl you call.

There was probably a year around doing it, huh?

Every day. They're doing it every day.

God, we should have gotten into a different trade.

Those guys, they're wild, man.

That's what I'm thinking about.

They're so good, dude.

Yeah, I guess being like a parent. It's like you get to see where all your parents, just things that they didn't do or that they couldn't do. It makes a lot more sense. Yeah.

There's so many things where you go, you think when you're a kid, right? Or my mom or my dad did this thing, and I would never do that. I wouldn't ever do that to my kids or whatever. And sometimes those things end up being like, yeah, man, I still would never do that. Sometimes you go, oh, now I get-Why we had to do that. Why they did that thing. It makes a lot of sense now. To me, it unlocks this At least for me, it did. It unlocks some part of your brain that's inaccessible in some ways. Once the kid that's happened, dude, it's this whole new level of caring about something or loving something that's like, It's not the same way you love your wife or your husband or whoever you love. It's a different thing.

And you were shocked it was that new, huh? Yes, dude.

It was just like...

Because you hear-It was like a whole new cord or something.

Yeah, all those clichés, dude. You hear about, well, you wait to how fast it goes, and you're going to find out. All that cheesy shit is so true. When it rains, it pours. It's all true, dude. All that stuff makes so much sense. They're clichés because people say them all the time because they're true. And it really is. It's really been a wild experience. The juxtaposition, too, is weird because I'm on this tour right now, and people are like... It's no fault to anybody, but a lot of people don't really know what touring is like. So they assume like, why do you ever see your kids? You must be gone all the time. And I'm like, I'm home more days a week than I'm gone or the same amount. I'm home like three and a half days a week. I'm gone like three and a half days a week. So that's more than most people that work 40 hours a day get to spend.

It's a good point.

At home with their kids. But it's such a weird juxtaposition to go from you go out Let's fly to Phoenix or wherever, and you play two nights in the same stadium, dude. And the next day you're home, dude, and you're just dead. And there's nobody there. We live in a two bedroom, two bathroom house that's 2,100 square foot.

Yeah. And the kids are what? General admission?

Yeah. They're GA. They don't even pay. Well, they just know. They just get them free. Kids eat free, dude. So they just come in and just take the place over here.

Dude, that would be the best tour you could have if you had a Kids Eat Free tour.

But dude, sponsored by Ryan's Buffet or Golden Crow, either one.

Oh, yeah, that would be the best. They should have a contest, too. What's the farthest somebody can hum a Mcnugget and another kid catching them out?

Like a beer Olympics, but it's buffet Olympics.

Just a Mcnugget. There's something so American about seeing a McNugget go through the air.

You have a McNugget cannon. If you could jam like 100 in a T-shirt cannon and just blast McNuggets out into the crowd, dude.

Oh, Lord. Everybody's just catching them on there.

It'd be some good slow-mo shots.

It's like that kiss cam with the McNugget. Mcnugget camp, dude. But, dude, that's how it's going to get. I think if it gets so bad where people can't afford to eat or whatever, then they're going to be like...

The concerts will be events. Yes. Food will be how to get people to events.

Got it. A hundred %, man. That's the thing you're going to need. Yep.

Pay for the show, stay for the food. You know what I mean?

Can you even imagine what a huge buffet would be like at a freaking-In a stadium?

If it was the world's longest buffet, it just snakes through the whole floor.

Let's bring that up. Where is the world's longest buffet?

Okay, let's take bets. What do we think? I'm going to guess probably in a Midwest, somewhere in the Midwest.

Okay.

I'm going to guess. I don't know, by the way. I really don't know.

I'm going to go with a little bit more of the orange Midwest I'm going to say China, I think.

World's longest. World's longest.

World's longest because they are buffet.

Is longest or largest, is that different?

It's a good question.

Biggest. Pennsylvania, dude. Wow. Not- Midwest? Is it Midwest?

I think it's upper Midwest.

It feels very Eastern Midwest.

Really, it's Lower Dutch. I know. In 1962, under Maple Trees, Mr. And Ms. Henry Martin sold produce along the road. That was the beginning of the Shady Maple Farm market, according to Shady Maple. The largest buffet in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Shady Maple Smorgasbord.

Smorgasbord. There used to be a smorgasbord in Hermitage when I lived out there. Do you remember that place? Really? It was called...

And what is it? Is it a place to eat as much as you can?

Yes. Well, I think... Now, this is big English language guy, big vocab guy here. But I believe a smorgish board means there's a lot of different kinds of food in one place.

Whoa, God, that sounds insane. You know what I mean? It's not like you're making stuff up.

I'm literally A complete, literally, knowledge.

Let's see, what is smorgasbord?

Self-service lunching or supper offering a large variety of foods and dishes. Oh, wow. From Swedish smorgasbord, a buffet meal.

Oh, it sounds great. Yeah, that smorgasbord. It's just Swedish for buffet. It's the Swedish version of buffet, dude. Yeah, why do they make us sound so crazy?

I feel like everything you want to eat is just...

Even that word has all... It feels like it has a lot of calories in it, just smorgas work. What was your first car, Luke? Speaking of your car song, Doing So Great.

My first car I got was a purple Subaru Outback. Why? The lady my mom worked at got a new car, and she gave my mom a deal on it. Dude, it was actually- Purple they had. Purple. It was a deep Indigo. It was a deep Indigo. It was much older than these versions you're looking at. These are way newer. This is probably a 2000, maybe a '99, 2001, 2000 type model. There we go. That's the one, dude. There she is. I mean, that's about the exact car. That's beautiful. Now, about three months after I got it, totaled it. And it ended up... Oh, come on, man. Dude, and it had... I'm talking about... I didn't realize how nice it was because it had leather seats, Heated seats. But I was like, Dude, I'm driving around in this mom wagon, dude. Wrecked it. Then my parents got me a $500 Dodge Neon that had been previously totaled. Dude, look up a 2000 Dodge Neon, no automatic windows, no automatic doors, carpet seats.

Oh, my God, it's beautiful.

Oh, there she is, dude. Probably that fourth picture on the top. It was probably... That's about exactly what I was cruising.

My mother got a Dodge Neon, and me and my brother used to go sleep in it at night. We'd go sit out there and sleep in it. It was beautiful. I would like to say that. But also, yeah, it is crazy how they will sell you in this country, they will sell you a previously totaled. Yeah, this car has been destroyed.

Somebody out there has my totaled Purple Outback right now.

That's like selling somebody a dead friend or whatever.

Yeah, but he's all good now. You know what I mean? Now it's cool.

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Dude, I don't know I was talking, just made me think of this, but two of my best friends, dude, we play this game all the time called Are You Garbage? Have you heard of this? I think there's an actual game. You might need an internet check. Or it's like, Are You Trash? Or something like that. But But there is no game. It's essentially just, Hey, man, if you're in a group of people, you go, Hey, are you garbage? There it is, car game. It's car game. We've played this, but now we have a list going on our phone that's hundreds of items long because we played the game so much that we ran out of stuff.

Right. And that tell people they are garbage.

So it's all Shane Gillis has played. Are you garbage? It looks like. I was going to pop in this. All it is is really a conversation starter, Fodder. But all the ones we've come up with.

Yeah, rattle off a couple of.

So it's really just it provokes a conversation amongst friends. Let's see. Okay, you take a tour of a factory. Are you garbage? It's all just little things like that. It's a great question. Where you're like, if you... Let me see this.

Because?

Attempting to light a fart on fire.

Garbage. If you're a woman, yeah.

Yeah, I think If you're a guy, you're an industrial engineer. It's just ingrained. Okay, let's see what else we got.

If you're a guy, you might be one of the right brothers. I have no idea. I don't want to stop your fire. But if you're a woman and you're indoors, that's a L.

Having crackers as a topping on a casserole? Trash. That's a bully trash, dude.

Yeah, dude. If you've ever crumpled up a couple of crackers.

And that's your topping on top of your Your dish?

Yeah, dude. Also, if you use a lot of toppings, toppings is totally-Fixings, dude.

Fixings are a whole thing.

Why is this stuff making me dial-up? But yeah, if you have that much fixings, dude.

It's trash to buying merch from a gas station. If you buy a clothing item from a gas station, non-ironically.

Right. If you're like, Yeah, I wonder what they got.

You were like, Man, I bet they got something nice. Have you ever hit a loves?

I've never hit a loves for a spring collection.

There's a guy that's unironically thumbing through the shirts, and he's like, Oh, yeah. These are fire. He's thinking, These are pretty fire shirts, dude.

God, some of these.

The trucking community.

Yeah, a lot of the trucking community, they'll be like, Oh, this shirt goes with that statue, and they'll always say that, too. They always have a lot of like, It'll be like a dolphin unicorn, like But single animal, merged animal. It'll be like, merged animal. That'll be the section.

It's like Liger.

Yeah, like Liger. It's like...

Like a centaur.

Yeah, centaur, tits, and horse body. Yeah.

Dude, another are you guys is using the bathtub or a sink at a hotel as a cooler. So like putting the ice in it and then fill It's like putting your drinks in that receptacle.

Because if you don't use the shower at all, that's the thing that-That's even worse.

So then what are you... You're not showering in lieu of having your beers be cold.

Yeah, just some cozy cold drinks, cold pops.

It's a very spring break feel, I feel like to that.

What did we do, dude? We got... Well, my first car was 84 Ford Escort, and somebody had... It was beautiful. Well, it was pretty much semi-beautiful, probably. And somebody had stole the passenger seat out of it, right?

This happened while you owned it, or when you got it, it had already been thieved.

When I got the vehicle, I had it for three days, and somebody sold it. I think it was the guy. I think he didn't want to sell the whole car.

So he fenced it. He fenced the seat. Yeah. He came in and was like, You know what? I'm taking this back. I didn't mean to sell you the whole car. I wanted that seat out of there, dude.

I forgot, dude. Hey, I forgot my wife told me not to sell that seat.

Hey, we had our first kid on that seat, and she told not. That's a memento.

It was a 84 Ford Escort, baby, and I got, God, I paid 600 large for that thing. What color was it?

Which one? What's the most accurate representation?

gray. They only had, I think, of the '84 hard top. Hard Top.

Hard Top, dude. I love how this too clean 1984 Ford Escort, dude.

I'm saying hard top like there was any other fucking top on that bitch, dude.

Like a drop top. Dude, you got some coin now. Go buy an '84 Escort and chop the top off of it, dude. Get a convertible top one, dude.

No, I think it's supposed to have the top on it so you can get safely to school. That's what I did in it, but somebody stole my passenger seat I had for three days. Then the crazy part was you go pick a girl up and they get in the car-In the back. But they had to get in the back through the front like it only had-The front door.

Yeah. Then again, just, what? At least you'd have to flip the seat up.

Yeah, so that part was actually nice. But then if somebody wanted to be right by you, they'd have to get right on their knees.

Yeah, but it's built-in like Lounge, though. It's true.

They just want to sit in the back and chill. For girls- Like a king vibe. For girls, girls didn't like it.

Yeah, I could see that.

Yeah, girls are like, I don't know what's happening.

They were like, Man, this car is really trashy. And you were like, No, it's cool, dude. I love it. I love this car.

God, dude. And then one time it got teaboned outside of Outside of this, I think, place called Isidore's or something, some little sandwich shop, Iggy's or something. Smorgasbord. Yeah, smorgasbord. Smorgasbord, fucking. Yes, smorgasbord is Bird snacks, baby. And I got T-boned. And then after that, I was dating this cute girl. But every time I go to her house, I would try to hide the car at an angle. It was so banged up now, where almost the angle she'd walked and get in, she You wouldn't really be able to see all the damage. She wouldn't see the damage.

My neon used to... When I would stop, the radiator would leak a little bit. So if I wasn't driving, the radiator, it was that rubberized top on the radiator tube there, and it had just the littlest crack in there. And me and my dad, we tried to fix it a million times, but it would get so hot that no matter what you put over, it wouldn't stick. All the best, like lock-type bond and all that stuff, the heat would I get it. So it would spit stuff out of it, and then that would get on the engine block. And so anytime I would stop, it would just smoke just a little bit, dude. So I'm already spending my last $2.

So native, really.

I was spending my last $2 buying fish tacos at Long John Silver's. Anyways, I'm already embarrassed with myself. And then if there was anybody that you would see and you're in the drive-through waiting to get your $2 tacos and your car is smoking and they're like, Dude, maybe... And they look at you and you're 300 pounds, dude, and they're like, Probably shouldn't be getting these tacos.

Yeah, I guess.

They're like, Just fix the car, man. Just miss a couple of tacos. It was like, You're going to be fine.

Yeah, at a certain point, dude, you got to look at the scale of justice. Do you need Baja fish tacos?

You don't, dude. It's like the McFish. You don't need it.

When she She ordered it, though. And you would see other people in the distance look over at us when she ordered it and shit. And I'd be so ashamed.

But it was wild caught, though, so it's fine.

Yeah, I don't know where they... It seemed like they... I would say, yeah, it seemed like outdoor caught. Some of it, it was darker. Some I don't know the fish.

Out in caught in nature. It would be like a better... Caught in the wild. Caught out in the open.

I think it said coerced, it said on the side of it.

Wildly coerced.

I don't know if this is a good fish or not. Do you take any good trips recently, man? Have you been anywhere fun? For vacation?

For vacation? Gosh, dude, we hadn't been on a real vacation. Me and the wife, we haven't gone on vacation. We got two. We have two kids back to back, dude.

Do they sleep in your room, your children?

No. The youngest one, he just left our room a month or two ago. Our boys share a room right now.

That's fun, huh?

I If they were older, I think it'd be fun. But I think now they're just like, How can I keep the other one awake? They don't really know what they're doing or why they're doing it. One of them is always making noise and the other one's like, he's broken. Our one, he's just now able to pull himself up, so he's a fall risk just all the time. He's in the crib and he's trying to look at the other one because he's rattling the blinds. They're always doing something It seems like a band that's on drugs. It is. It is.

Some of the stories.

To think back on it, some of our guys have probably done some similar things. I've been on the road at times, dude. Oh, my God. But we haven't gone. Gosh, man. I feel like I've been all over the world in the last couple of years, but that's just going on a vacation.

I know it's hard to find a spot and really get in and be like, All right, let's go do it.

Yeah, and it's weird, too, because vacation for me is getting be home. That feels like vacation to me. But then my wife is home a lot with the kids and stuff. She does want to get away and go somewhere and do something. It's finding that time where I have I feel like I'm traveling somewhere every week and going back and forth.

Yeah, stuff can burn you up, man.

It's a wild thing, man, right now. We're just in this weird balance because of the kids right now because they're so small.

And there's nothing you can do. You have to take care of them every day.

100%. I mean, That's the number one thing, dude. The kids don't care about the stadium. They don't know anything.

And do they rate you guys or anything? How do you know? There is a complaint box. Or is it you guys get an email every week from them? How do you know how you're doing?

You don't. They're alive. If they're still alive and kicking, dude, at this point, you're doing a pretty good job.

But there's not.

There's not.

There's not somebody that comes when they're three years old and gives It's like a...

A performance review?

Yeah, just like, somebody should.

Well, you know what? We were saying this when we had our first kid. We walked to the hospital and I'm like, Dude, we had this kid two days ago. And bro, I got to take a test to drive a car, dude. And they'll just give you a human life. All right, here you go. Don't matter who you are, what your background is. There's no questions asked, really, dude. Yeah. They're just like, Hey, man, I'm like, You'll be good, man. Your parents figured it out.

Oh, yeah. Especially if you want a mixed kid, they'll just hand you one down there, a lot of these places. I'm like, All right, this is crazy.

It's a Wild West, dude. The kids thing is like, It's a Wild West, man. It's like there is no... I read all the like, How to be a good dad.

How to be a rodeo daddy or whatever.

How to be a...

Eight seconds with my son. Yeah.

Wildest 18 years of your 8 second life.

It's like, but-Yeah, parenting and fishing. You're like, Is that a magazine? That seems.

How parenting is like noodling. It's just Stick and pray, baby. You know what I mean? It's a wild ride, man. But the dad thing was really fun to do. That's just where my head's been recently.

Do you start to think like, Hey, we got to get this third or fourth or fifth child out of the way now, or do you start to strategize it?

I mean, the deadlines do feel looming, right? If you want to have... Because every time you have a kid, it starts over. The whole like, Okay, well, now it's like when we don't have kids, This is 18 years from now, now, again.

Right, again, we just restarted the clock. You restart. It was like going back to jail. You have kids.

That's a restart.

Like a loving jail with other people you care about there.

Like the best jail ever. It's like, But it does...

It's such a... The best JL ever. That's one of the songs on the new album.

On chainmail children, dude. Yeah, the best JL ever. Work pen, dude.

They should have the best JL ever.

But we think about it, it's like, well, how... Then you think about, well, how close do I want the kids to be to each other? How does it... What's tour look like next year? Is it going to be extra busy or we have a light year? It's weird to think about that stuff because at the end of the day, you're talking about potentially a person that will be alive, doing... I have an entire life. I don't know. I often wonder, often, not fantasize this I remember. But think about... It just being my kids' parents is... I almost worry about them finding out what I do in some ways.

You mean dance at night?

Yeah. We have put on a nice vinyl, dancing a little bit.

Wouldn't that be great? If that's what you meant. I just don't want them to know.

That I dance.

That's when I'll occasionally dance. Classically trained. Yeah, I'll dance for their mother in the evening sometimes. Big boy ballerina in the evening.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, I guess I wonder how kids... Because it is so tough. You see so many kids that are somehow traumatized or face some... Just the byproduct of their parents being in the limelight, especially maybe I don't know if especially in music, maybe not especially, but just in the limelight.

Yeah, I think about it a lot because I go, I don't... It's going to sound weird. It's like you almost wish they could just not know in some ways. And not because I don't want them to know. That's not what I'm getting at. I almost just want them to be naive to the whole thing for as long as this humanly possible. The only thing they're worried about is riding bikes and playing trucks and riding around on the Polaris with mom and dad. But there gets to a point, as soon as school is looming, I've got some other artist buddies that have kids, and they're like, Well, you got to tell them or somebody else is going to tell them.

It's almost like telling your kids there's no Santa.

Or something.

But it's the opposite of that.

It's the opposite of that.

Telling your kids there is a Luke Holmes.

Yeah. I don't want my kids to ever think of me that way. Sure, I want them to be really proud.

My dad was good. Some of his early stuff I liked better, but I still love him.

The last couple of albums were just garbage. Once he had us, they just really stunk. He put on that dad record.

Dude, imagine if that happened to a kid where their dads, their sales weren't as good after they had children.

And they were like, me and my buddies have the golf theory, dude.

Once you start playing golf, it gets bad?

No. Well, for sure, I think for me, at least. But once the great golfers, once they have kids, it gets harder to maintain... Because the amount of practice and stuff that they have to do, I know next to nothing about being a professional golfer, by the way. This is just a guy who watches golf and wishes that he could do golf.

Yeah, I always pretend like something came up and my friend's asking to go play golf or something.

You're like, Sorry, man, I got to...

I got to go do something. I got to go vote. I'll even say that.

Yeah, and they're like, What?

And You're like, Yeah.

They're voting for the comptroller, this week, city comptroller.

I want to just practice them for the big game in November. Big thing.

I was having a practice Super Bowl party tonight, so I actually can't... I wanted to make sure the Super Bowl party would be good, but it's not. I have a run through.

Have you played the Super Bowl yet?

No. There hasn't been a country artist in the Super Bowl in a long time.

Who was the last one?

It was a big medley of people. I believe it's Clint Black, Travis Tritt, Shania, Tania Tucker. Wow. It was a bunch of country artists that did a big medley thing, I believe. Now, there's been a bunch of artists that have done the Anthem. But as for the halftime show, there hasn't been one since... You'd have to look it up, the mid '90s.

Reba McEggetire is coming up.

The Anthem, though. Oh, the Anthem. The Anthem. You mean the actual halftime show? It only happened one time.

Only one time ever? Yep. Wow. That seems unreal, huh?

Starts Shania Twain, Gwen Stefani, and Sting. Okay, so Shania was different than the other medley thing.

Right. So they had Shania? So twice. Twice. Yeah.

So twice ever. I would imagine that at some point, Taylor Swift has to do it.

Oh, it's a good point.

But I don't know if that would still I don't know if that would start as a considered a country artist now doing that.

It's universal.

But to think a guy like Garth's never done it. A guy like George Strait's never done it. So many of these guys.

Oh, yeah. I've watched Garth sing it. You would think Have you gotten to spend much time with Garth ever?

I have not a ton of time, but we've spoken many times. I took my band out to see his show out in Vegas. I was out there I was playing a private event, and it didn't start till 11:30 or something, super late night. It was like a birthday party thing. We got to Vegas in the morning. I'm like, What the hell do we do all day? I start looking stuff up, and I'm like, Oh, my gosh, Gar's playing in tonight. He's doing his show. Got to see it. I'm like, and the band, I told the band, I was like, I hit my manager up. I was like, Hit up Gar's folks and see if we could maybe get some tickets. So, man, yeah, he came in, dude. We got over there, and dude, he came in and said, Hey, to the band. The band had no idea we were going to meet him at all. Because, dude, my band guys are like, and it's a couple of them from Oklahoma and stuff.

Yeah, they love him. They probably love him, dude. They love him, dude. Drawings of him at home.

And so 100% they do. But he came in and talked to everybody and got us great seats. They let us come in because those shows, they're like no phones or whatever, I think. A lot of the Vegas stuff, you can't have your phone or something.

Yeah, because they don't want it. Yeah, I think they don't want anybody having their phone.

To see, so they can't record.

Here's what happens. People sell it like streams, Vietnam, all stuff.

So they let us come in right when the lights went down. They brought us in because I was like, Hey, man, I want to come, but there's no At those theaters, there's not really like suites or backstage.

You don't want to take away from his attention.

I'm like, Hey, man, I just want to come in, just sit this thing and not... It's weird. I tell people, Man, I don't really like being the center of as weird as that is, considering what I do. It makes me really uncomfortable. When people make a big deal about me being that stuff.

Oh, maybe. Yeah.

I'm just like, Oh, gosh, man. I don't really try to not think about myself that way.

Yeah, well, it's interesting. Yeah, because if you start thinking about yourself that way, I think it's almost better to try and purposely not think of yourself as that way. Yeah, for sure. Almost like, Let me add in some things that seem a little bit more normal. I got this cyber truck, and that has been a nightmare because it's fun to drive, but it's just too much attention.

I saw it.

And then I'll be hiding in it, and I'm just...

Do you like it, though?

It's fun, but it's quiet, too.

It's pixelated. It looks pixelated.

Yeah, it feels like you just travel. Like, literally, it feels like you'll press the gas, and you'll wake up in damn august, dude. Yeah, you're gone.

It's like instant torque in those things, too.

You are into the future.

You could go zero to 60 in like two seconds in that thing.

In half a yawn, brother, you'd be over there. I'm going to get you there quick.

I got electric Polaris, dude, and it's the same thing. It cooks, huh? Absolutely crushes.

But it doesn't smell like gas. Dude, my car used to have loose gas in it. I remember when I was in high school. Yeah. My second vehicle was a Ford Jimmy. Gmc Jimmy. Yeah, GMC Jimmy. Gmc Jimmy. Gmc Jimmy. Actually, I think it was a GMC Ford Jimmy.

It was a- Two cars mixed together.

It was a merger of a vehicle.

Welded together, a vehicle.

It was previously.

Yeah, previously totaled.

Are there parts that Because once you get to a certain level of just being known, you can't... You can never go back to some of those just like... It's weird in life. Sometimes it feels like you'll be able to go back and you can't.

Right. You can't It's just like, I can't get back.

Just how you felt at the time. Sure. I guess it's just life.

Do you ever feel like... I don't know much about the world of comedy other than just being a fan of it. But is you ever get sometimes where You're like, Man, you saw how the sausage was made a little bit. And you're just like, Man, you saw behind the curtain a little bit. You know what I'm saying? You've heard that.

Seeing behind the curtain, seeing how the sausage is You know what I mean?

You know what I'm saying, dude.

I did not, brother.

I wasn't there. Yeah, you did, dude.

Yeah, you did. Do you mean seeing- You've heard that. Seeing how movies and TV and music are made? Yes. Oh, 100 %? Yes.

If you saw how they made a hot dog, you probably wouldn't want to eat it.

You know what I'm saying? If I saw how they make hot dogs, I would, A, call child protective services.

But I feel like sometimes the entertainment business can be that way.

I agree.

Where you're like, Man, it just it loses that.

It loses that thing, the magic.

Right. Like the shine or whatever is like...

Oh, there's something wonderful about sitting at home just thinking like, Man, what it would be like to be on this thing, like the voice or like a show. But then you don't realize if you are on that, like all this, just like you see all the behind the working. So it's still part of a dream, but it doesn't have the same look as if you're just viewing It's just doing it.

Yeah, you just lose a little. Well, I can't even... And you may be this way with like, comedy and stuff, but I can't even consume music the way I used to. I'm constantly not critiquing it, but I'm looking through At it through a different lens.

Through business, more lens, different things like that.

Yeah, and I'm like, Man, well, this is so good because this thing and that. Before it was just good.

Yeah.

Like the song was just good or the artist was just good. It wasn't like, Well, this guy is really playing this character or this girl is really great at this one vocal technique thing. It's like, you did any... Almost like when you don't know why it's good, it's better. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, dude. And now sometimes I'm like, now I can...

You read the ingredients now. Right.

And I'm like, oh, it's good because this thing happened or that thing happened.

Yeah. Things were... Everything had a little bit more magic in it before you knew what was going on.

Yeah. And you'd love to be able to get that, to be I'm trying to recapture that. It would be... And there's moments... Dude, it's still the best. We're still living our dream in a lot of ways. In almost every way possible, I am. So I have zero complaints, really, about my life, dude. But it's just you want...

You can't help it evolve.

You can't recaure that.

Yeah, you can never go back to where you were.

That time. The chase, the being excited about being where you are now, that's half the fun is trying to get there and trying to figure out how to get there and doing everything it takes to get there is a lot of the enjoyment of the process.

Yeah, they always say that, but you don't really realize it while it's going on.

Yeah, for sure. Then all of a sudden, you realize you can't, when you can't reca it, you're like, dang.

I wish I would have bottled that up somehow a little bit better.

Done this thing or done that more.

Do you think, though, do you look at... Because you've gotten to have a great trajectory, just a great career. You You've worked hard and you've also been fortunate, right? Yes, very much so. So does it get to be like, well, what else is there to shoot for? Does that become a... And not like in a net, just curious. How do you find a motivation? Do you feel like it could be a trap? Like, Oh, I don't want to lose motivation here because things have gone so well.

Yeah, for sure, man. Because you get to this place where you're like, Man, I feel like I've done a lot of the stuff that I feel like I can do, almost, as far as achievements go or whatever it may be. Yeah, you think you have to do as much work or more work than you've ever done to stay in that place. As to where before, if you're doing that amount of work, you're constantly moving towards a goal. It's like if you work all this time to climb Mount Everest, and say it's so hard, you got to cross the crevasses and do all these different things to make it to the top. Well, it's like once you get there, you need oxygen just to even breathe while you're up there. And so it may take a higher toll on your body to stay at the top than it does to come back down, or than it did to even get up there. And so it feels like it can have... There's somewhat of a hamster wheel feel to it. When you get to this certain level, because you're like, Man, I'm working so hard just to compete against A, the other guys that are up here, too, and all the other people that are coming up to the top as well.

You're doing all this work to stay. Well, do I have to continually try to compete with this guy and this guy? And there's other people going, We're coming, dude, and we're ready to just, this is part of your ass off the top of this thing if we get the chance. God.

It's like there's always that next...

But that's, again, dude, it It goes back to growing up with your fan base and just growing yourself is learning that nobody stays at the top forever. And it's okay to not be at the top. It's okay to... You shouldn't be scared of the fall because You can build these things in your life, these soft places of land being your family, your friends, things that really matter, the things that when you're 80 years old, would you rather have spent more time with your kids or made another album that was successful? I feel like a lot of people would choose be with your kids or have gone on another trip with your wife or went fishing with your dad again or went golfing with your buddies one more time or go hunting with your friends or whatever. Those are the experiences that ultimately will come to be the defining moments of your life. You know what I mean? Like your career achievements, yeah, they're really great and you should be really proud of them. I'm insanely proud of everything I've done. And I will continue to work hard to be the best I can be. But I'm also not afraid of knowing that one day people are going to be like, damn, dude, that some bitch is old, dude.

You talk about washed up, dude. That's going to happen to me at some point.

Right. Like, oh, look at him. Yeah, he's over there.

Right. Look at this. Look at this old cat.

Look at this. I can't. Yeah. Drinking gasoline or whatever. They'll say, Oh, that seems. Guys, that's not even him. That's just some guy that looks like Luke Holmes. There's a lot of those. Nobody's ever had so many people look like him at one time on one planet, I don't think. A hundred %. Bro, that's for sure.

I mean, there's a stat sheet thing. And so not really a stat sheet, but there's like, if you're 5'8 to 6'8, and you're 200 pounds to 600 pounds, and you have the Amish style beard, people are like, Dude, you look just It's like me, dude.

And that's male or female? 100%, dude.

And they'll be in the meet group like, Dude, everybody says I look like you. I'm like, Bro, you are 6'8, and you're like 180 pounds. You don't look anything like we They look anything like each other. But there are some good ones, though. There are some good ones.

But there's a lot of people that are desperate to look like you as well. I think there's a lot of people. Oh, my God, that's not you? Yeah.

There's a lot of them, dude, that are good. There's some really good ones out there, man.

You've got to adopt one. Or how old did they have to be to get adopted?

Dude, is this guy's doing a a promo shot here? I haven't seen a lot of these.

Yeah, some of the-That's like a remake of that promo photo. That's like you and me merged in one. Look at the second one to the right. No, left, left. Right there. That's my nose, your face. Or somebody. I don't know who that is. Yeah, there's a lot of closet in Amish or Luke Brown. Sorry, or Luke Holmes.

Amish, dude. A lot of closeted Amish. You think that closeted Amish is such an interesting...

Well, the craziest part is the one guy who... He was like, there used to be a show, it was like Amish, something Amish, like something Amish. Good joke. This one dude...

Something Amish.

This one dude kept mowing his grass. He had to use that old school cutter, this like the spin thing. The spin wheel thing? Yeah. And he's like, This sucks. I was adopted. I'm not even supposed to be Amish, he said.

I'm not even supposed to be. Was it escaping Amish or breaking Amish?

Escaping or breaking, yeah. Breaking Amish. Yeah. And he's like, I'm not even supposed to be Amish. I was adopted. Like, damn, dude, it sucks to be you.

Dude, I feel like being Amish, that's a tough pull, dude. That'd be hard.

Yeah, I think it'll be. But they don't get autism in their communities. There's a lot of-Is there a Health benefits of being Amish. Is that a thing? Yeah, look at the health benefits of being Amish.

Health benefits of being Amish.

And you get... Think of the things that would be fun. I bet sneaking off and talking to a girl would be unreal.

I'll be sick, dude. You'd be like...

Like, meet me over there in that area. Health conscious behaviors are considered the norm, I guess. Less tobacco, less alcohol, less salt, more vitamin and mineral sulfam.

And by less, they mean no tobacco, no alcohol, right? I mean, I'm sure they're not allowed to have that.

Yeah, I think praying fast is their booze.Cartis.

Is on the way home.I.

Have no idea what that is. I'm looking.

I love this.

I don't know what it is.Is that Ammon? Maybe just close the window.

Dude, a phantom ad. There's just a phantom ad that's playing right now, dude.

What will you guys do for Father's Day, man?

Dude, so talk about how kids change your life. My first son was born on Father's Day.

Wow, so it's his His birthday.

Well, it won't be every year his birthday, but same weekend or within a day or two, for sure, every year. Wow, that's cool. I'm sure it will just be like, Oh, yesterday was Texas' birthday, and then the next day is Father's Day, and they'll be like, Oh, cool, man. Thanks, or whatever.

Thanks for your sperm.

Yeah, cool dog. I appreciate it. I know. I'm like, Yeah, we're going to get you something, but we're all tired from Texas' birthday and stuff, so we didn't get anything.

You're tired from a two-year-old birthday? Right, yeah. You have a problem.

We're more out. Yeah, sorry.

Oh, yeah. I remember one time buying drugs at a one-year-old birthday. This was one of the low points of my life.

Did you buy it from the...

Was it a one-year-old? No, just an associate that was there.

A friend of his.

A friend of the one-year-old, dude.

Yeah.

Yeah, he'd fallen in with a couple of two and a half-year-olds. Yeah, one of them.

Yeah, had a couple of sidemen, dude. You know what I mean?

One of them had taken things to another level. Yeah, what else was I thinking about? Dude, I took a fucking... I took like a... One of those CPD gummies, something like that. My brain has been rocked.

Has it? Dude, I took a straight up CTE fall yesterday.

Really? Yeah. For what?

We're a scramble dude today, too. Really?

Were you all swimming or something?

Yeah, we were pooling it, but we were in the yard, in the grass. We had one of those splash pads out.

Oh, yeah. Those are nice.

The kids were out, like, splash and stuff. I was wearing these super dead moccasin shoes. They're just leather bottom. They literally don't have trend. It's like walking on a marble on the bottom of your feet or something.

Yeah, I've seen those. Those always seem like you're not sure what this guy is going to be like when you see him.

They're insanely comfortable, but it rained so much the last couple of days. So my yard is like... I mean, our house is from probably the '60s or something. Oh, wow. So when they built the house, It's like there wasn't the same grading permitting that goes on now. So the house sits on this hill, but it's just a small hill, but the backyard is all sloped down towards the house. And then right before they built the house, there's just a little bit more of a slope as to where now they would have to grade out and smooth it out.

Back then, those bitches were a little choppy.

Yeah, they were just like, whatever, just pop the house anywhere. I'm walking down in the moxons, dude. My kid was in this splash pad, dude, and we got him this little slide, and we put him down there, and it scared him, and he's crying. I'm like, Oh, you're good, dude. It's cool. I was like, Do you want to see dad jump in the big pool? Because we have a little pool.Oh, yeah.

You got to do a trick for a kid.He was like, Yeah, man. He's like, Dude, cheer him up. I go down the hill, dude, I'm in the moccasins, and just, dude, both my feet just go… I'm talking about, dude, I hit the ground on my back, so the way the hill is, the flushest you could ever hit something. Oh, wow. It was like my entire back hit the ground at the same time.

It was perfectly lined up.

And just boom. I was just like… I just remember sitting up and I just sat there, and my wife and my two kids are behind me. I can't see them. I'm just like, I knew I was like, this could be serious because my wife isn't even laughing. She wasn't like, you idiot. You felt like it was just... I just sat there for a second and was like... And just processed. Am I? Is everything fine?

Yeah, does everything feel chill?

Am I cool? Can I get up from this? And then my wife was just like, You okay? And I was like, Yeah, I'm good. Just... But it felt like getting I played football in high school or whatever, so it felt like getting just absolutely blindside blocked and just rattling. Luckily, the ground was soft because it was so wet and stuff, but I had just hit flush.

There's moments as an adult when you hit, when you get hurt and you're like, dang.

You're like, Dude.

I'm not doing good.

Yeah, you're like, Man, this is 15, 20 years from now, this would be a huge issue, dude.

We would have a big problem, dude. Well, a lot of grandparents go missing, even if there's just a slippery floor or whatever. Yeah.

You have to get a skid steer out on me in a couple of years from now, dude.

Dude, imagine somebody's opening a can of peaches to make a pie or something. They spill some peach syrup onto the ground. Just pop, pop comes motoring through later. Okay, to get in here to get them a couple of saltine crackers.

He's got the moccasins on. He's got the moccasin on, dude.

Yeah, he's mocked up. And he just slips out. And he just slips his whole spine.

Acl goes on the way.

Both of his knees.

And he just... Yeah, that's brutal, dude. Yesterday, it was the first moment where I was like, I'm good, but man, this could have been a not good situation, dude. You know what I mean? It could have been not good, dude.

It's risky now, dude. You don't know who's what. You just don't know what's going on. Slippery out there in those markets. Well, it's just... What did I see you had done a gender reveal? Was it something I saw?

I've done a few. Yeah, I've done a few.

Yeah. Do you guys get some big requests for stuff like that all the time?

A lot of them are just people in the crowd will have signs, do this gender reveal. I'm like, Oh, my gosh. You're there. They're here with the envelope. They've waited this whole time, dude. I always try to ask, What is it? Was it your first kid? What do you think it is? I think we're going to go, boy.

Justin, what do you think is coming? I'm here, girl. Girl. That girl, that guy's a pervert, huh? Come on, guy.

Massy, is this you on the sticks here? Filming this? I'm nervous.

Yeah, Yeah, dude.

It's nervous. It's like a big moment.

Oh, for sure. If you find out if your kid is going to be cool or not. Yeah, that's crazy.

I always think, what if the kid hated country music later on in life?

For sure, and uses that as a thing.

And that was their gender reveal, and you're like, Dude, I hate that guy's music. Stinks, dude. That guy did my gender reveal? That What was the plan, dude? That would be brutal.

But dude, look, bro, at that time, we could be online doing gender reveals on cameo for people. You know what I'm saying? Who knows?

There's no way.

That's a real thing. People do gender reveals on cameo all the time now.

I saw one where they got the guy. I feel like it was the lead singer of Sugar Ray to break up with their girlfriend before. Really? Yeah, it was wild, dude. There's some wild cameos out there.

Dude, that's when Fly, remember that song?

That song is around forever, bro. Here it is, dude. Woman, high Sugar Ray, frontman, dude.

Let's see It's not going to be it, dude. The media is all of us about a video message. A lot of people that is coming out of the closet now. It's adults just doing gender reveals. People are like, what?

The message was bought on the app called Cameo, which lets you pay celebrities to send you a message to your phone. What's up, Braden? It is Mark McGrath from the band Sugar Ray.

Off the charts, but always in your hearts.

This cameo was so much.

This is crazy. Okay, so he looks like the-He looks like he's a video of McGrath tells a guy named Home Alone's Brother.

To Buzz? Yeah, he looks like Buzz. Your girlfriend, wolf, dude.

He looks like Buzz if Buzz got some facial reconstructive surgery, I feel like. Dude, but what did he do? Nothing. But what did he do? Nothing. It looked like they were overdubbing it. We can watch all the way through, but the news guys were just talking over. Oh, you broke up with a boyfriend? Yeah, he broke up with a boyfriend.

To break up with her. So a girl hires him to break up with her boyfriend. That's demon level.

Yeah, it's pretty demon, man.

That's demon stuff there. I'm trying to think of the first-I wonder if it was his favorite band, too. Was it an uber personal-Sugare, you mean? Was it like, dude, my boyfriend always loves Sugar Ray, so I'm hiring the lead singer to break up with him? Almost just to make him hate the or something? Was it really dark in that sense?

If you love Doritos or whatever.

And you could hire Doritos to make up with you.

And you could hire like Jerry Cool Ranch or whatever to break up with your girlfriend.

Or you wrote it out in bags of Doritos. It was like, Where are they? How are they making up with you? But how did they decide on the lead singer Sugar Ray? Was it a question of affordability?

I don't know. It's a good question.

Are you like, Hey, I was going to do Hulk Hogan.

Right. I was going to do Hulk Hogan, but there's a sale over here.

There's a sale at Sugar Ray.

Yeah, there's a sale at Sugar Ray for the next 30 minutes.

For the next 30 minutes. Breakups are half off on Mark McGrath's came out.

God, that's crazy. That's even a thing now. You should just be Valentine's. You send it somebody something positive. Now it's like, watch me ruin this lady's heart. I love how he said, Off the charts, but forever in your hearts, dude.

That's such a great line, dude.

That is a good That guy's looking beautiful. A lot of men, sometimes they'll look so beautiful. They look like women sometimes, too.

He's definitely aged gracefully.

Oh, he will be a hot chicken two or three years. There's no doubt there's a lot of people, they just run that gamut. They run the full circle.

It's not over here. It's this big circle.

Oh, it is. Yeah, they're just spinning around. Oh, definitely. Oh, definitely. There's a lot happening. It's beautiful.

The hair is quaffed. It's good.

The hair is good, man. So whenever you start a new album, do you then have to go tour it after? Is that how it goes?

I think traditionally, that's how a lot of folks do it. This album, it feels like in a lot of ways, nontraditional in the sense of it started out as just this wild idea of... I had written a couple of these dad songs that I really liked, and I was like, Man, I feel like these three of these songs are really great. I love them. But I was like, But I have to choose one if I'm going to do a record because you can't put a record out, and then it's like, Oh, there's three or four to add. So I was like, We get it. Do we heard that?

Right.

My gosh. And I was like, Well, would it make sense to do something that's, I don't want to say side project. That's not the right term because it is me, it is my stuff. But I hate the word concept album because it feels like that's too smart for something that I'm capable of doing. Someone that makes a concept album to me is like a super genius level musician, and I'm not that at all. But it's like a cornbread concept album.Okay, I like it.You know what I mean? But it's just, I was like, Well, if I made a whole record of just these songs. Then I got a lot of my buddies, we're all the same age, so they're having kids. They've got aging parents, too. And so all these themes are running through all of our lives. They would start sending me little clips because they knew I had kids or whatever. And so they'd send me a star to something and I go, God, man, I really love that. I'd love to get together, work on that or whatever. And next thing, I end up with a whole record full of these songs, and I was like, We should just record these and just do a project that's just...

So it's my next record, I guess, but it also doesn't feel like my next record, if that makes sense. It's not like, if you want to listen to all my other records, it's not, logically, the next step from where you would think that it would go. It's just where my life has taken me. Sonically, it's very, like I said, we recorded it live, so it's very traditional country-sounding stuff. It's tough because it's all just live instrumentation. There's a lot of fiddle. There's a lot of-It sounds really. Dobro. It's very natural sounding.

It sounds groovy. I mean, I'm willing to small maybe six or seven songs or something.

But it's definitely got its own vibe Always Leaving, what's that one? Oh, yeah. All I ever do is leave. Yeah. That's a hammer song, dude. God, dang. God, that song's brutal, dude.

They're all hot, moan eyes in my ass, dude. I've definitely... I've got some problems, but yes.

There's some good ones on there, man.

Sometimes I think it's easier for people to leave than stay, man. I see that. Some people, they know they can't change themselves, and so they'd rather leave somebody. Yeah. And eliminate themselves from the situation.

Dude, that's crazy, man. Yeah, that's for sure, man. It happens all the time, dude. It happens all the time.

God, dude. But yeah, when I was a kid, country music, they had this thing called Crying, Loving, or Leaving. You'd call the radio station. Okay. And you'd tell them if you were crying, they'd be like, Are you crying, loving, or leaving? And you had to tell what was happening in your life.

And then they would play a song.

Yeah, Dorothy stole my car tires or whatever. Wow. And then you'd be like, All right, well, and you'd be like, I'm loving.

There it is, dude. It's still there.

Tell her this song. That was it.

107.7, Crying, Loving, or Leaving.

And that was it. You'd call in there, and then they'd play some of them. You'd have to wait and see.

Dude, that's wild. That's a pretty cool title, though.

It was pretty good, man. You sent them as, Yeah, this is for Tiffany. She's passed on. And they'd be like, God, I'm so sad. And you and Tiffany would be sitting there howling, laughing. She's laughing.

One of my favorites is the... Some of my favorite radio is the John Cina one, dude.Oh, yeah.You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Where he's just... They're spamming that lady with the like, WWP pay-to-view. With the phone? It's like a phone call. Yeah. It's some telemarketer-Play it up. It's a long play, dude. Hello?

I have just one question for you. Are you ready? Am I ready for what? Who's this? Are you ready for this Sunday night with Wwe champ John Cina?

The music. And this goes on. They continue to call this woman back. And she stays on there. No, she hangs up a bunch of times, and they call her back, dude, and she gets...

She's like, We're not- No, there is not any chance in hell that we're ever going to have wrestling in this house again. But thank you.

But now- Oh, that's- Because the husband called and said, Hey, my wife, we bought this pay-per-view. Our son destroyed something, and she got really pissed off. And goodbye to anyone standing in John Cedar's way. When it takes on six men in a Steel King shoots a ladder match at WWF. Dude, there's one they say, This spit swapping makeup, make-out match, dude. It gets to the point where at the end, they skip to like... Dude, she gets pissed, dude.

It probably towards-She has an attitude problem.

Yeah, I keep you all. She gets mad, dude. Yeah, I'd say probably this mark somewhere.

She needs to get some vitamin D, probably. It can mess with her cortisol level.

There's one where-I can't handle this.

I can not handle this. Hang up to follow.

No, she hangs up a bunch of times, and they continue to call her back, dude.

And then this lady has CTE, I think. Are you talking about the one where they fake being someone else or something?

There's a point where they get… And this lady, when she picks up, she's like, Stop, call my… And this is like, Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am. She's like, I have a quick question. Do you support our groups? She's like, Oh, my God. I'm so embarrassed.

These people had been calling me or whatever, and they were like…

And she was like, Yes, I support the troops. She was like, Because an American hero needs your help, dude, it's a former Marine. She's like, Really? They go, His name's John Cina. She loses her mind, dude. It's quite the troll, dude. That's the shorter version, but it's got this weird video. The shorter version with one of those weird TikTok videos?

Why do kids do that now?

It's just a video of them playing Grand Theft Auto, but the audio-It's a video just going along with the videos.

It just keeps people engaged without them having to do anything.

Dude, that's crazy. It's like psychology-level stuff.

Yeah, it is. It's like, Oh, watch this. You're like, Watch this car bounce down the road, dude.

Oh, this is it.

This is the one- All right, let's see it.

Well, this at least the audio. Can you knock it off for five seconds? So at the start of this one is the audio. It's like the fourth time they call her when she's like, Hey, do you support our troops? Or whatever. But the videos, they're mind-numbing. I swear to Jesus, if this is those wrestling box again. Okay. Good morning. Hi. I'm just calling this morning to ask if you're a supporter of the United States military.

Oh, my God, I apologize. We've been getting calls all morning. I apologize, and yes.

Yes, I am. Great. Are you a supporter of the Marine Corps?

Yes, absolutely. Good. Absolutely. Great.

Because a former decorated member of the United States Marine Corps needs your support. And his name is John Cee. Are you kidding me right now? Dude, whoever did that prank, that's an elite level.

I guess at least No matter what, we can always just make TikToks.

Yeah, because all we need is stock video game, like mod a video game and just do stock videos of a car falling out of the sky.

Well, I've had a vision for years that it's going to come down to everybody's going to be in gig economy, and people are going to be holding each other at gunpoint to be each other's Uber fares. So it'll be two Uber drivers. Both of them need to make money, though. Yeah. She's like, You be my fares. That's what it's going to come down to, dude.

I always think of I-Robot when they're just in the floating.

I never saw it.

No, Wally. Have you seen Wally?

Oh, yeah. I love Wally. You can watch it in Spanish, too.

The Titanic, the space Titanic, and they're all in the chairs with the VR headsets on, and they're all like 800 pounds.I haven't seen it.I was like, Man, it's a terrifying potential reality for me.

Do you guys use a lot of VR over at the house?

No. What? Do I use a lot of VR, dude? What would I be using it for? What do you think would be happening, dude?

Buck hunting.

This is the Wally visual here.

Muffin making. I have no idea what it would be for.

Integrated reality muffin making is what it is.

Yeah. You just point at the muffin and they go into the oven. It's just crazy.

Oh, my goodness, dude.

That It would be so nuts if we had a VR, if your whole life was VR.

Like Neuralink, dude.

Yeah, they just got the guy. You see the kid?

Yeah, I saw the guy with the Neuralink thing.

You could play chess or whatever. But it seems like you can just play shitty games that they had on your cell phone, like 15 years ago. That's the thing about Neuralink that seems so trash, too.

It's just like just mind sweeper.

Yeah, it's just getting there.

It's just getting...

Yeah, it's just missing a lot of stuff. A guy paralyzed It's from-like he's playing Mario Kart. He's playing Mario Kart using a Neuralink brain implant. Yeah, I would just-That's pretty gas, though. Yeah, he could just look at it and tell it what to do.

It's better than not playing Mario Kart. That's true. Because that's the other option, I think, right? It's to not be playing Mario Kart. Yeah, I think-So that could be cool.

Yeah, that's a good point.

If you couldn't do anything, playing chess would be cooler than not doing anything, I think. It's the alternate version.

Yeah, but it seems like they just have a limited amount of and stuff. I don't know if I'd rather Neuralink or just get a PS5 or whatever.

Or just get a VR headset. Yeah. But you...

Well. Vr is crazy, though, man. You can... There's people having their own... Guys will get a VR, and then they'll have their own family inside of the VR world, even though they already have a family in their house.

I feel like people have already been doing that, but just in real life, people have been doing that for some time.

People have been cheating, but this guy is doing it.

This guy is doing it even less admirable version of cheating in some way, dude. If you could make cheating even less admirable, it would be that version of it.

Yeah, this dude's not even brave enough to go out there and fucking cheat and use little gas money.

He's just...

Yeah, he's just like, cheating He's just like, Shut up, honey.

I'm with the other family right now. He's in the living room. He's just dialed in, dude, to the house. Oh, my God, dude.

He's like, My other family's naked. It'd be like, What are you What are you talking about, dude?

Somebody brought one out on the road recently, and that's maybe been last year or something, but it was like this. We had a bunch of our crew guys popped in on or whatever, and it was like, you would get... So essentially, you'd stand in this, just in any room or whatever, I guess. That'll be our work. Anywhere is anywhere, right?

Oh, you could stand anywhere.

So you have the thing and you hit this button on the elevator, and you get in the elevator, and then when the door opens, you're at the top of the sky Skyscraper. When you'd open it, it's just the Skyscraper, and there's a wooden plank that comes out.

And is it windy or what?

I don't think so. There's no way I know it. Unless we had a fan on. You can turn a wind on. Yeah, you can turn a fan on. Yeah, you can turn a fan on and get maybe the wind effect. But so physically in the VR, you have to step out onto the plank. Obviously, you know you're just in a room.

But it looks so real.

Half the guys wouldn't get out of the elevator. Then we had one guy, my buddy Harp, just went out to the end and he was looking down and he was just like, he just jumped.

No way. I was like, Bro, are you good? Bro, I used to be in a wheelchair. I used to be in a wheelchair. That's what he's saying, dude.

He straight up jumped off the end, dude. That's great.

Full lunatic. If people, yeah, some people in VR are totally people that they can't be in real life. They should have said VR Amish or VR Starving. Amish Simulator.

Yeah, Amish Simulator. Amish Simulator would be the new one.

Amish Simulator would be so great.

It's such a sick game, dude.

There you going, dude.

You have to actually learn Pennsylvania Dutch to play the game? Already a thing, dude.

Amish Simulator? Yeah, get in there. See if there's any... A lot of times they have fresh eggs.

An hour and 40 minutes, dude.

Yeah. You think you can be Amish in what? It's 15 minutes. Here it is, dude.

You are lying to me, dude.

This is fully integrated Amish. Dude, if I meet one more guy who wants to be Amish quickly, I'm going to...

You got to work for it, dog. You know what I mean?

Oh, that's awesome, man. And this is Amish Simulator.In the winter is coming.Op, winner is coming. Activated winter. But the thing about being Amma is, dude, imagine, bro, you get to sneak off all the time and try to meet a check or something. Because you can't date, I don't think, until you're 30 or what? What's the age? 30?

No way.

They have severe dating issues.

You can't date until you're 30? How do they have... No, dude, that can't be right because they have a bunch of kids. 16.

Yeah, never mind.

I was like, 30, dude. Wow, that is like, how did that place survive this long, dude?

I don't know, man. That's crazy, man.

What is this? Is this me in the VR thing? Oh, no. This is the elevator thing.

Is it Why do you lie to me? Vr people always look… They always stand like they're completely naked.

I do look very tense.

Yeah, you look like you're going to get… I feel like they always think you're about to get busted for a crime or something, too.

Oh, my God. That just scrolled 8 million. I just turned it and it just scrolled 8 billion pictures of your phone, dude.

Yeah, there's a lot of alarming stuff on people's phones. This says, Dating among the Amish typically begins around age 16, with most Amish couples married between the ages of 20 and 22. To find a perspective date, the young adult socialize at functions such as frolics.Trolics.Dude.I'm in.

That's going with smorgish board, dude. I'm in.Frolics..

Church or home visits, bro. That would be me, dude. Home Visits. Door to door, where's the chicks, bro?

One of the most popular activities is the Sunday Night's singing, dude.

That would be you.

I'd be killing it at Sunday Night's singing.

They would be, they...

Oh, my gosh. Sunday Night's singing?

They would get out the churn and get you out there.

Dude, milkmaids.

The Final Churn, that would be your band name. The final churn, dude.

Heaven's Churn.

Yeah.

Yeah. Heaven's Churn. This is a wonderful...

What do they say right here? Amish 365. Sunday evening singing with the Amish. The Buggies were lined up for an Amish singing in Bell Center, Ohio. We happened to be camping and we're out enjoying an evening drive. All of a sudden, we started seeing Buggies coming from all and we saw them all pulling into a lane there.

They sure looked handsome.

A lot of men in their Sunday best, they sure looked handsome.

What an interesting blog here, dude.

They are a state of Amish youth culture. Sunday evening singings. This is often where teenagers meet their future mates, make friends, and just have some good clean fun.Food is served, pizza.Future.

Mates is gross.

Yeah.

Sounds very primal.

Yeah, future mates.

What do you say, spouse or But I remember, dude, when I was growing up, we grew up in a pretty small town, so it was like, you knew you were probably going to have to marry somebody in town. Somebody in the-And they would even tell us that in school.

I remember when we were in second grade.

You're probably going to marry somebody in the area.

Yeah, they would look around the classroom. There's one other classroom with kids in it. You can look at some of them, but you guys are-This is the talent pool. This is it, guys.

This is everything we got going.

You were like, This is bad. This is definitely-This is tough, dude.

I got to get out of here, dude.

This is pretty limited. Do you manage your tours differently as time goes on where you're like, Okay, I want to do just certain cities? Or do you choose that, or how do you guys put that together?

Yeah, I think we've always had a long strategy on how do we maximize this or that. We have certain goals. Playing overseas was always a big goal for us. It consists playing overseas consistently to the point where we feel like we had really foster a fan base that could almost be self-sustaining in the sense of you could go tour. One year, you could just go tour in Europe and then never play any shows in the States. So as to not burn every market, right? If you go see me, if I play every summer in Tallahassee, well, it's like if that happens five or six years in a row, eventually, everybody in that market is going to be like, Well, I've seen that, dude. So the idea is if I play, I don't know why I picked Tallahassee, it's such a random city. I don't even know if we ever even played there before.

I haven't been there. I don't think.

If you picked that city and we played there, let's say I played there in 2018, right? And then, let's say, obviously, that's a weird year because COVID happens or whatever.

But it's okay. It's still a year.

Yeah, let's say I play there in 2021. And then the next time I'm going to play there is not until 2024. So in those three years, so much Which will have happened in my career. I could have maybe two new albums, a bunch more hit songs, and those people in that market, they'll have only had the opportunity to see me the time before. So they'll go, Well, now I want to hear this song and this song and this song, and he never comes down here, so I want to go. I just want to be able to tour at a high level for a long time. And I think to do that, you have to have a really long play strategy. It can't be about, Well, how can make the most money this show this weekend and charge my fans the most for tickets and do the most and sell VIP things. I've never sold a meet and greet in my life. That's a big point of revenue for a lot of artists, and nothing against anybody that does that, by the way. I just always felt weird about it. The first meet and greets I ever did were $50, and we donated all the money to a camp in Georgia for children that have cancer.

Oh, yeah? Ever since then, we've never even charged for a meet and greet. All you have to do is join the fan club and have tickets to the show, and you're entered into a lottery to win.

Oh, damn. That's a good way to do it. Yeah.

You join the fan club, and then you just put in for whatever show you're going to, and it's completely free. Oh, that's cool. I come in the room, do a Q&A thing, take pictures with everybody. I just feel like there's so much to already pay for. There's T-shirts, there's beer, there's food, there's parking, there's hotels, there's babysitter's, there's tickets, there's everything. You're charged at every turn. And the whole experience. I just want to meet people who came to the show, man. Whether it's their first show or their 15th show or whatever it is, man, it's just a way for me to... I just want to say thank you to just regular folks who come to my show, man, because they are the only reason that we have shows.

It's crazy to think that you can't figure out a way to thank them all the time. It feels like you can never thank them enough.

Enough, dude. It really is. I think about it all the time. Sometimes I feel like the fan is the last person thought about in the music business. And that, to me, is really sad.

Well, they just started... They're finally bringing sanctions against Live Nation, I think. Can you look that up?

I saw something about This recently, I think.

They're finally bringing sanctions against them or ticket master, one of them.

Yeah, I saw something on the news two, three years ago, but I don't know enough about it. But you're definitely right. Hula definitely just saw something about that.

Yeah, the Justice Department is suing Ticketmaster and Live Nation. What mean for concert goers?

Is it for the fees or something?

I think. The Justice Department on Thursday, accused Live Nation of engaging in a slew of practices that have allowed it to maintain a stronghold over the live music scene. They accused it of using long term contracts to keep venues from choosing rival ticketers, blocking venues from using multiple ticket sellers, and threatening venues that they could lose money and fans if they didn't choose Ticketmaster. Which in then, they can jack up the prices of tickets in.

So they own 70% of ticketing. That's wild.

That's unbelievable. That's a lot, dude. How do you ever let that happen? It just seems like they wouldn't let that happen. Did you ever go see Widesprade Panic?

Never did, man. My best friend Harp, the guy that jumped off the end, that's his favorite band ever.Oh, yeah.Yeah. He loves them, dude. But I've never been. I've never seen them. I like them. Dude, they jam, though. They jam, for sure.

Did you follow a jam band ever?

No, I never followed a jam band around.Dude, really?

Never followed around the country. God damn, you're fucking lazy. I haven't lived, man. I haven't lived.

Yeah, it just seemed like you were being so lazy back then. I was, man. Then you want to make grilled cheese and own a German shepherd?

I wanted to sell seashell earrings instead of my van, dude. You know what I mean?

Dude, one time this dude was selling grilled cheese, and the dog looked like it wanted out of there.

It was like, yeah, it lives in a... It probably never gets any grilled cheese, by the way.

Oh, it was, yeah. The dog, I think, was running on a little treadmill, even just powering the grilled cheesemaker. Sometimes those van guys in those outside of concerts are pretty wild. They got to figure it out. Is there a big tailgate? Do some artists have a big tailgate thing that that's part of their culture?

Yeah, for sure. Gosh, we do a big tailgate. This weekend we have, or this year, we have Friday and Saturday shows, all the same cities. So on Saturday, we have... You've heard of Whisky Jam, I'm sure.

Oh, yeah, it's fun.

So Ward and the Whisky Jam folks come out and they bring up-ecoming artists out. We have a stage outside the stadium, and all that's free. Oh, wow. So you really don't even have to have a ticket to the show to come to that if you don't want to. So on Saturdays, We really try to... We've worked hard to build, to foster the culture of our shows and how we want that experience to be for our fans. I mean, the whole weekend, they get discounts at certain hotels if they're in my fan club, and we work with all these different people to make them have-Wow, that's amazing.

How can you do that?

Yeah, to make them have the best experience that we can have. And so, yeah, the tailgating thing, dude, I mean, obviously, the Chesney tailgate culture is unbelievable. Yeah. As was the Buffett stuff. We went out. But I think country has such a great, it's just in general, tailgating vibe. Oh, for sure. Because I think a lot of those fans, I think of the college football fan base. To me, there's so much fan base to me. There's so much correlation in the country music fan base than that. And that culture is so similar. It's just fun, right? That's what it should be.

I think people want to have fun.

Yeah, for sure.

The other night, we were in Miami. I was with Caleb, actually, who your buddy's with.

I love him.

And we were going to some club, but then we had more fun in the car on the way there just listening to country music. Yeah. And then we got to the club and we were like, This sucks.

Yeah. You're like, Dude, I can't imagine.

So that's just trash, dude.

I love Caleb, dude.

He's something else. He said he used to manage you, too, did he? I don't think.

I wouldn't say that, probably. No? No, definitely not.

He seems like someone who would be lying about that.

Probably.

He could be known.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's a special guy, man. He's a one of a kind.

Dude, we were buddies back in the day, man. I think I was a senior, and he was a freshman, I think.

But he was like-And what was he like the Rapunzel of the team?

Wasn't he like-He was like the guy. If eight quarterbacks got hurt, like as a freshman, he would come in.

Then he would get a notification on his phone.

And then he could show up to the game. Yeah.

You got a free ticket to the game.

But I rode the pine hard, and obviously, he wasn't playing because he was a freshman or whatever.

And because he wasn't ever going to. Were you any good at football? No, I was trash.

Really? Yeah, it was terrible. God. I didn't apply myself, man. I feel like I could have been good. But dude, I was too busy singing all the time, dude. I was in choir every day of high school. Every day of public school, from sixth grade to when I graduated, I was in I'm in the forest class every day.

Did you ever integrate or try and date women that were on the flag team?

We didn't have that. No flag team. No way.

How do you not even have a flag team? Wouldn't you have a local military or anything?

You mean like ROTC? Oh, you mean like, yeah. I thought you meant like...

Oh, yeah. We had flag team. Usually, there was a lot of crossover in that. You think? Oh, a lot of ROTC.

A lot of ROTC.

Men are the children of flag team women.

That can't be real, dude. That can't be a real stat. I hope that's a real stat.

You're telling me. You're honestly going to tell me, Luke, that a lot of ROTC men aren't the children of...

It's possible, I I think.

Of flag team women.

Flag team relationships.

Yeah, flag team relationships.

Okay. Yeah, I think there's a possibility that there could be some correlation there.

I think there is.

There's a high probability. The new album, it comes out... Friday before Father's Day.

Friday before Father's Day.

Yeah.

Fathers & Sons?

Yeah. Fathers & Sons. Yeah. It should be good, man. I'm excited. I hope people enjoy it for what it is.

Well, it's important, too, for people to take time, if you can, to reflect on those relationships. It's hard sometimes. Sometimes you get so busy, you don't even think about what somebody means to you.

Sure, man. It's important stuff, man. I think there's so many different paths that people have had growing up with their dads or their moms, even. You know what I mean? I think there's something in these songs that can translate to anybody. It just happens to be fathers and sons for me because I got and maybe that changes one day, and they'll be mothers and-Yeah, you never know. I don't count anything out. Where it could lead, but- You could be a woman. The songs mean a lot to me, and I hope that people can relate to them and listen to them and love them as much as I do, for sure.

Yeah, it's important to have anthems that go along with how we feel sometimes. Yeah, no doubt. That's about it, Lou. Yeah, thanks for having me. I thought you had It's a nice chat, man.

Oh, absolutely.

Yeah. Thanks for coming in. Yeah, absolutely, man. Before you go, do artists start thinking more about collaborations now these days? Does that seem like something that goes through phases where it seems more fun or more accepted or more- I think there's definitely phases to it.

I think there's a lot I think I've noticed that a lot of brands are doing collaborations now, too. I don't know, like the McDonald's and Long John Silver is the McFish. You know what I mean? The McFish Silver, dude. Oh, yeah.

Something is always doing that.

But it's It's like crocs and Jacquard Noir clone. It's like a scratch and sniff Jacquard Noir crock or something. You know what I mean? It's like something like that.

Yes, smell like crock.

Available only at Walgreens. You know what I mean? It's like…

Sniff this crock or whatever.

I have, for sure, a pair of KFC-branded crocs that smell like KFC chicken. That's a real thing. I have that in my heart.

God, you don't get a lot of shots to have those.

But I have. They're rare, dude. Hit StockX, dude.

Get you a pair, dude.

You know what I mean? It's a limited release, dude. You know what I mean? Yeah, you got it. I tell you, it's funny. All my crocs are just collabs that smell like sweat. If you had mine, there it is, dude. Kentucky fried, sold out, dog.

God damn, we sold out.

And they got a chicken jibbit on top, dude.

Oh, wow. It's like a drumstick.

It comes with it, dude.

I hope it doesn't cost extra, yeah.

Put these on your bucket list.

God, that's beautiful. And you open them, you can tie them tighter by spending that nugget.

The little nuggets, they smell like chicken. God damn.

Bro, I'll pay more for ones that don't smell like chicken. Don't smell like chicken.

What about- Fried jibbits, dude. There they are.

Fried jibbits right there. Damn, brother. I might have to get me a set of jibbits.

Smell like fried chicken, dude. It says it on there.

It does, really?

Yeah.

Oh, God. They're not going to be offering that for long. I will say this, though. Did you see the squalet? It's like a squalet, a squirrel wallet. Shut up. Go to squalet website. Squalet. They're sold out for...

Years to come.

No, just till September of '24. Yeah, get that squalet. Get on there. Look at this, big Tommy. And this is supportingUnbelievable. Hold on. This does support our veterans.I do want you to know.Okay.

I love that. I love that. Does that mean I can't laugh at it, though?

No, which you can laugh for sure. It's awesome, dude.We can laugh. Yeah, I hope we have one to sell. So I'm right here, the Squalet. These squirrel wallets are made with real squirrel pelts. I love this so much. The fur is super soft and pliable.

Why is this something I need? I need one of these, dude.

I'll get you a dang squalet.Get me a squalet, dude. Get me a squalet. Well, where are you going to keep all your love for your lady at? You don't have a damn squalet. Look, can you look at some of the other products, please? So we're not just... On this website? Ogling the squalet. Yeah. Just go to shop, maybe. See what they got. You got a skunk koozie right there. The skoozie. They got a skoozie, a racoozie as well.

A racoozie, dude. Golf Club head cover? Now we're talking, dude. Let's see it.

Zoom. Yeah.

Let's get this going.

That's fresh possum.

Oh, that's a possum, dude.

Zoom in on it. Not the backside of it. This guy's a damn pervert. Zoom in on the front, you creep. Yeah, it's a golf head club. Oh, wow. It's fresh possum. It's only 54.

Be the head of the links.

Yeah, dude. Gosh.

Oh, man, the eyes are scary.

Play dead. Play dad, it says as well. That's a Father's Day gift right there. Play dad, dude. Play dead. They got to have one other good item on here. We had a guy that sold a German shepherd fur coat by us.

Kyuzi.

That Kuyuzi, and that's coyote, maybe?

Yeah, Kyuzi was a coyote coosy.

That squoozey. Let me see that squoozey, bro.

The scounzey.

Oh, yeah, that's beautiful.

The skunk. Look at the eyes, though, dude, the eyes They're freaking me out, dude.

Yeah, you might be able to buy little shades for them. But these are almost $65.

They get a variety of sizes such as tall boy, slim, and standard.

Yeah, they got to- I love the Happy St.

Patrick's Day. This is the themed out.

What are we doing, dude? Why is there a Happy St. Patrick's Day? Fucking skunk. God, that just shows what they think of the Irish right there. That's the worst part.

Are the tall boy ones more expensive than the other ones?

No, actually, the Scounzie is... That one's on the $65. The Squalet was only 54 bucks. Squala, it's 54. No, you're not.Gewalet. But yeah, we had a dude selling a German Shepherd fur coat by us when I was young, I remember.

This whole deal-He only had one.

He might have had two.

It seems like there's probably a lot of regulations to this business here. This be selling just random animal pelts to people.

You know what I mean?

Like, are these farm raised? Are we wild caught here?

This is farm to table, buddy. This is street to table, dude.

You know what I mean?

Hey, go to my TikToks real quick. I want to see one that I looked at. You see this? This was my dream for nine years. I had a big van. A couple of white kids made a... Bought it for $100, took it to Minnesota on bad. I didn't make a sauna, just scrapped it instead. Lemousine sauna. I just strapped it instead.Lemousine sauna.Lemousine. So I had two.

I figured, I went to a sauna. Sauna.

Use all my straps from the sauna I did. The chimney came off the top of the stove inside.Chimney?

Bro, this is on fire.Believeable.I'm.

On the outside. Do an outside mouth.

Why did they have burners, gingerrails on top, dude?

And how are these men just beating each other in the snow.

And then they're just getting in the snow.

See, this is why I don't meet men online.

That's America, dude, right there, man. That is... Okay, what state are we going with here, dude? What's our state, guys?

Oh, this, we have to have snow. I'm going to say...

Sauna, I feel like. Oh, there's a license plate. What was that license plate?

I'm going to say Canada, probably. Southern Canada, Northern America.

Sauna zine, dude. Trademark. I love how you put the trademark on there. Like someone He's going to be like, Man, I got to get that Sauna zine. I got to steal that idea, dude. I think that said New Hampshire. New Hampshire. There we go. Oh, yeah. Sauna zine, dude.

But the wood looks extreme. The fumes from that wood could easily kill all four or five of those men. For you guys that can't see at home, there's a lot of getting into a sauna has been created inside of a limousine.

That's definitely just smoke in there, dude.

It is full of hot smoke.

And why is there ginger ale on top?

That's the real question. That's a beverage bar, dude. You got to chill.

You have to have a ginger ale.

That's open bar.

Open bar on the on the sauna zine.

That's open bar, Luke. Luke Holmes, congrats on the new album, man.Thank you.Making sure to check it out. Congrats on being a father and a son.

Yeah, absolutely. Thank you, buddy.

And thanks for hanging out with us today. Yes, sir. Now I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones. But it's going to take.