I have some tour dates to tell you about. I will be in Idaho Falls, Idaho on June 27th. That's an added show. Salt Lake City on June 30th, Las Vegas, Nevada, July fifth and sixth, Wallingford, Connecticut on August seventh, and Bangor, Maine on August ninth. Those are all new dates. Get all your tickets at theovan. Com/tour. And Thank you so much for your support. Today's guests are probably the most requested guests that we've ever had. And that's the truth. They're out of New Orleans, Louisiana, baby. You know that. And that's where we came to spend time with them, down here on Carondelette Street at the Maison de la Louz Hotel. They have a new album called New World Depression. Nobody's done it like they have. Nobody's fan base is like theirs is. Grateful today to spend time with the Suicide Boys.

Shine that light on me.

I'll sit and tell you my stories.

Shine on me.

And I will find a song I've been singing just for. I'm on the stage.

I've been waiting to bust these out.

You picked a good day.

I might retire them after today, too.

No, man, them you got to do that. For you, brother?

Yes. For you? Yes.

For Christmas or something, you got to bring them bitches back. Christmas or- Where you spend Christmas normally.

You come back to Louisiana. Yeah. Family stuff?

Yeah, every time. My family still lives over in Mandeville. No, did they?

Big Mandeville.

Was it Covington or Mandeville?

I grew up in Covington, and I moved over to Mandeville. I got you.

Where at?

Should we save this? This stuff we want to save.

This part of the chat?

We are. Oh, we are? We are. Roll it up, baby.

Yeah, I grew up in Covington, down by Lee Road or whatever by this. It was down there. Lee Road, boys. Oh, bro. A lot of people, dude. A lot of homemade tattoos, bodywork. Yeah.

They'll handle business, and they'll bury you. You know what I'm saying?

Oh, dude, they got BYO chiropractor shit going on, that shit. You know what I'm saying? They'll hook a winch to your leg and try to... Like a truck. My dad was in jail. They're pulling you out the mud. They'll try to fix your hip like that.

My dad was in jail with a Leroy boy, and it was his roommate, and I got it. He took care of him, bro. You know what I'm saying? He knew the ropes. He took care of him. But that's... You remember, did you ever meet Blair? Oh, yeah. I did flooring with him and shit when we first started. Man, Tile down? Yeah.

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Oh, yeah. Oh, flooring is a gateway drug, I feel like.

Bro, I went to that job sober one day.

Louisiana That's what it fucking is.

I went to that job sober for one day just because I didn't have shit, bro, and I was asked out. So I went there sober for one day. And by lunchtime, I was willing to suck some dick for something. Hey, bro.

Yeah, straight up. Some A female dick, let's say that. Yeah, that's cool.

So 2024 dick.

Yeah. My friend had a joke of how people in Louisiana, blue collar guys, workers, they'll verbally express their resume to you to hire them, but their resume is like, Oh, I don't do pills no more.

I do good work, whatever. That's how they get the job.

I'd rather hire if you do do pills. They do better work.

90 degree angles only, bro. One dude told me once. They're on it. I'm like, Yeah, that's what we expect.

When I was off that ship, I was on it, bro. Really? Employee of the month. No.

It depends on which specific one it was. When I was managing a restaurant, Xanax was not my friend. I let them do whatever they wanted.

I think that's where me and you differ. They were all my friends.

Really? Some were better friends than others.

You want to get into that? I mean, who was a better... I don't think it's a term for better drug user. I wasn't good at it. I think I was too sensitive with drugs.

Scott and I were both way too good at it.

He started young.

He I started young.

I started young. And then basically by 16, I had my first pain pill. I was drinking before that. And every time I drank, I blacked out. You know what I'm talking about? I couldn't help it.

So you would do it every time? Oh, yeah.

Every time.

It wasn't like- Scott was balls to the walls, balls to the wall every time.

Yeah. That was it. I had no control whatsoever. But I took my first pain pill at 16. And then from then, I was like, Fuck, I I want to feel like this every day. I get it now because the way I grew up, I hated all that shit from just growing up how I did. And I was like, I'm never going to touch any of that shit. And I didn't for a long time until I did. And then once I did, It's like, I get it. I get it now. I get why. So from '16 on to 2019, it was everyday balls to the wall. It started with pain pills, went to strong I went to pain pills, went to heroin. Then the worst it got was toward the end, where I was just speedballing all day, like 20 Adderall a day, 20 Xanax a day to calm me down from that.

That's the Louisiana speedball.

Yeah. Then whatever, opiates, we can get fentanyl patches, whatever, dude.

Oh, yeah. People will do pickleback heroin in Louisiana. People will be like, What are you doing, bro?

Shit, that drug has always been super prevalent down here, especially in New Orleans.

What about you? Do you remember taking your first pain pill ever or no? I do. I do.

Wow. I had surgery when I was 13. I had two screws put in my ankles for a skateboarding injury that I got into when I was 13, and they did surgery, and then I was prescribed Vicodin. I was just laying in my bed. The Vicodin pill bottle be above on my headboard. Every few hours, I was supposed to take one. I I got hooked. After I got recovered and I started being a teenager and being social and all that stuff, that's what I wanted to find was painkillers.

Oh, yeah. I remember once I took a couple of somas, bro, and I felt like I didn't have any arms for almost half a day.

The Trinity is supposed to be a Percaset, a Soma, and a Xanax. You ever seen the pharmacist, that documentary on that? Yeah. That's all like pill mills back here.

Yeah, that's all. Yeah. That was the thing, bro.

It was 200 lora tabs, 180 Xanax and 120 Soma. It was like the Trinity that they prescribed to everyone.

I remember they busted a Mall Santa in Terrytown with 100 Somas on them or something.

Shout out big Terrytown. Yeah, bro. A town full of so many Terry's. They named it after them.

It's crazy. Hey, Terry will get you flooring, bro. Some dudes, they were so fucked up. They put flooring on the ceiling, bro. You're like, damn, bro. This dude put flooring on everything, bro. Oh, my God, dude. They'll floor your yard in Louisiana, bro. They don't give a fuck, dude. They'll floor a baby crib. They'll floor a damn, bro.

New tile for the baby crib.

They'll floor your grandfather, bro. You'll leave him sitting around long enough.

The Mazaliam's got a new tile.

Yeah, fucking right. That's crazy.

You guys, That's crazy. You remember your first pain pill? Oh, yeah. That's crazy to think of how strong they are and how powerful they are, that that's a core memory.

Bro, it's a very euphoric, it's almost like a coming to Jesus moment.

It's like this, oh. Mine happened in In a different situation, my papa had passed away when I was 16, and he was like my dad. Me and him were super tight. I love that man. When he passed away, I came across a pain pill.Coping.

With the sadness?Yeah.

At that point, I was just like, This is too painful. I can't deal with this. Fuck it. He had his funeral that day. For me, it had the opposite effect. I didn't sick. I didn't get tired. I felt great.

I know.

I felt you four. You know what I'm saying? I was running around the funeral hall. I gave a eulogy. Everybody stand in.

You'll give a goddamn emanciation proclamation.

Look, I will say to this day, I've heard it's the only eulogy with a trap beat behind it. So I'm saying that that's the rumor going around.

Dj Scream with that eulogy.

Yeah. Dang, that's That's crazy. Do you think you would have been able to get that eulogy if you weren't on the pills? No. Wow.

I was too hurt.

I wonder if that's... Was that the first time you ever spoke?

It was the first time in my life that I was comfortable in my skin. I felt like my whole life, there was something off. I didn't belong here. You know what I'm saying? I could never be comfortable in my own skin. That was the first time where that happened I felt good. I didn't have a care in the world. I was like, I made it a point. I told myself, I remember, I'm going to feel like this every day for the rest of my life. And that's what I set out to do from the time I woke up to the time I went to sleep.

How does music even get started then by you guys if you all are already... Well, it's hard to get a pill head to finish painting the bassboards, dude.

I'm probably the most productive.

If you hold pills above their head, you can get them to do anything you want. They'll do it. I don't know.

Our pad started differently.

Yeah, and it wasn't like we were so fucked in the beginning. It was very much a fun thing We were ignorant, thinking like, that story that you hear about death in jail, that's not going to happen to us because we're smarter than that. We know how to do this the right way. But give it 10 years, and we're at that point. Yeah. The music always came first. It was never drugs first. The music was always first. Then at some point, the lines got blurred a little bit.

Then who starts the music first, man? Because one thing that's crazy about you guys' music, I was listening to so much over the past month, trying to decipher, Okay, is there a certain... Where did some of the sounds come from? Like little things. Sometimes I hear a little bit of like Bone Thug, maybe I would hear.

You used to get that so much when we first started. Did you really? We used to get compared to Bone Thugs all That's what I'm seeing at the time.

But then sometimes I would be watching, I would almost think of that movie Gummo or something a little bit. Did you ever see that movie? I've never seen Gummo.

He's seen a lot of movies.

It's super artistic and bizarre. It's very bizarre. And off-violent. Even it's looking at that picture.

It's disturbing. It's a disturbing movie.

I was like, this shit, it feels... It's music, but it feels like a disturbance. That's what you guys start. Some of you all stuff feels like that to me. I want to disturb shit.

Yeah, we want to disturb shit. We want to make people feel weird. We want to make people feel... I don't know. At first, we were super edgy, just saying crazy shit just to see reactions out of people.

Going for the shock factor.

Shock value, all that thing.

But you must have liked that. There's a thing that you... You know what I'm saying?

I like pressing buttons. For me, I grew up on three, six.

That was my biggest influence in old Memphis. Which is like the spine of suicide. Yeah, like old Memphis music from the '90s. My uncle put me on that when I was eight years old, and I just got obsessed. But other than that, I came from more of a trap music background, like trap house dope dealing. That type of shit. Yeah, all that shit. Then him from the punk background.

I was on the hip hop tip. I was like an old head at 25 years old. Yeah. I was bringing boom, boom, boom, boom. I was like, This isn't philosophical enough for me. Yeah, hate.

That's where we differ also.

Yeah, but he made me realize that I was taking myself way too seriously as far as my taste in music goes. I think a lot of people from New Orleans have this elitist taste in music Because the city is pretty like, there's music everywhere, every day, every night. There's music all over the place. I think growing up here, you, at least I did, developed this elite taste, and he's the one that knocked me down a couple of pegs. I realized, Oh, some music is just fun. It doesn't all have to be so serious with a message and shit.

Yeah, that's the vibe I get from... And even go to one of you all's shows, there's this legion of people that want to just have this experience. They want to be in this disturbing moment. They like the song, but it's almost like their anthems, too, to them. Yeah, that's a good word. To feelings that they have. It's interesting.

That's a good way to put it, bro.

Dude, it's a lot of these kids are like misfits and outcasts and weirdos, and like he said, never felt comfortable in his own skin. I can relate to that very well myself. I think we provide a place for these kids to feel like they're surrounded by their people. They come and they like... A community. Yeah. It's like this emotional... They can get their emotions out by getting in the pit or yelling lyrics or like, maybe you'll meet a girl there, you might meet your best friend there. I always like to think that after these shows, these kids stay in touch. It's like a whole community falls.

And they do. I've seen it. They do. And I think they share a connection with us, which I love because I don't ever want them to look at us as I want us to be humanized to them. For sure.

It felt like I do. When I was there, I remember even going from backstage and being around the people that the night I was there, I think you guys had Shakewell. Nashville? Yeah, Nashville. And who else?Tall black dude. Germ.

Nyl Lavelle. Nyl Lavelle was there. Shakewell Chedda was there.Chedda was there.

Chedda was there.

You had Turnstile.

No, not that. Pooja? Pooja, no. He wasn't there. He wasn't there. Chedda was There's a lot of people there. But I remember from even just the people that were backstage, the people working with you all, to the crowd, I couldn't tell the difference between who the fuck was who anyway. You know what I'm saying? I'd cue seven people to be in there. I'm shakewell and Chedda. Dude, I met two girls that looked like Chet. Look, Chet is a handsome guy. He's a good-looking dude. They were pretty girls. I'm just saying it feel like all the same people. It just feels like... It doesn't It doesn't feel like there's a-It's uniform. It doesn't feel like you guys are in a superior place.

I don't ever want anyone to feel like I think I'm better than them. I don't like that. You know what I'm saying? I don't like that at all. I never want to be looked at as if I punch down or anything. I hope I would never put myself out there to be looked at in that light because I don't feel like I'm better than... Even the people that come to the show, I don't feel like I'm better than any of them. The people that are helping us at the shows and working and putting the sets together and security.

Every night, we thank them for security. Then the venue workers, because it's true, without them, it takes a lot of people to throw a show and to throw a tour, and it's It's not just all about the glitz and the glamor because people know our names and our faces. A lot of people put hard work into this. Scott and I have been able to remain humble throughout all of this. We love meeting the fans and talking with them, but we do have our boundaries. We've never been a dick to the fans except if they deserved it. I use that word loosely, but crossing that boundaries and imposing on our personal space a little too much to where we have to say something.

Sometimes you also have I got into it with a commi in my comments the other day, shit like that.A communist guy?Yeah.Oh, yeah.

He said he was going to come take all my shit. I had to let him know.

To redistribute it.

Come try.

But, dude, to take all somebody's shit, that would take two or three days, bro. You can't.

He told me I was outnumbered.

I don't know. He had an ex-girl. I'm sorry this is too much, but he had an ex-girl take all his shit out of his house in a couple of days. That was possible.

It's possible. I was in rehab with a bag of underwear, some shirts from H&M that Kyle bought me for rehab, and 10 grand left to my name, which sounds like a lot to some people. But at that time, bro, I had a million dollar house and what, a million dollars, you would say? And That's what I was down to. Wow.

Yeah, dude. Well, it's funny because sometimes when you go to rehab and shit, people will pack a bag, and the most thing they put in there, the most, bro, underpants, bro. It's important, but it's like, Bro, at least help me.

I was like, I'll figure the rest out. You know what I'm saying?

You'll see somebody in rehab wearing underpants as a shirt.

I went to Target before I went to rehab and just bought all cozy, comfortable clothes.

I didn't give a shit. Rubies in a bunch of onesies.

That is something he would do.

You can't go anywhere. You can't do anything. You don't have a phone. What's the point in trying to dress to impress?

Ruby got one of those portable fireplace that he got going on.

They had Roku's in the...

So When you guys first start putting the tunes together, then how does that happen? I know there's a lot of lure out there, but I just want my fan base to know, too, man, that you guys are out of Louisiana. You guys have created this universe that's really super unique, man. You guys' thing, it's its ownThank you, bro. It's its own thing.Thank you, bro.It's its own fan base. It's its own... I never know who will be a Suicide Boys fan. That's a good point. That's a weird, bro.

It trips me out, too, bro. I don't think we haven't gotten used to any of this either, Even coming here today, it was really nerve-wracking. We're really introverted. But as far as the music, when you say, How does it get created? Are you talking about from a creative standpoint, when we get together and actually make the song? Or how did we get together and get to this point?

You mean the origin? Yeah, I know you guys are cousins, right? I know you guys have that family. I even think that you guys look alike. People tell you that a lot?

Our moms are sisters. Oh, yeah?

He looks like my brother, but I don't think we've ever gotten compared to him, us, personally.

Maybe when we were younger. When we were younger.

But it's the wildest sound or feeling or thing that come out in New Orleans. It's really interesting because you wouldn't think it. Say, if you played you guys music for people from... And they were like, Where do you think this came out of? I don't know if they would say it. I don't know if they wouldn't. I agree. But it's just what you guys have is so unique. It's not mainstream. It's your own thing. It's huge. I mean, you guys are playing arenas. It's fucking crazy. It is. It's all It's you and your fans thing, right? That's what I think is. It feels like it's you all's thing. I almost feel like an outsider even getting to spend time with you in a way, right? You and I are close, and I'm grateful to... We're both from Louisiana, and so I'm grateful for it. But still, I know that that's you all's world, right? I guess what I'm asking, how does that first thing start to kick off, and how do you know you're making something that you feel brave enough to put out there? Or were Or was it just wait?

Were you just- He started off like he used to rap, and you were in a lot of bands growing up. My path was different. I started off DJing when I was 13. I was listening I was listening to Q93. You know Q93? Oh, yeah. And DJ Ro was on there. It was the first time I ever heard someone blend two songs together, and it tripped me out. So my parents got me this little $100 DJ set up for Christmas. I started from there. But fast forward, I'm DJing parties, all that throughout high school.

That was some fire.

Friday. Yeah, it went down. It went down. Kyle knows. It went down.

People needed you there.

We had some good times, bro. It was wild. Legendary times. Then fast forward, I'm about 19, and that's when I got into producing and engineering, recording people and mixing. I never really wanted to rap. I would do it for fun, but I thought it was whack to be white and be a rapper. I didn't see too many out there that pulled it off good.

Yeah, you got to really know you can do it.

Yeah. I always felt like my place was more behind the scenes. And then I made a couple of mixtapes for fun on my off days when I was working at the furniture store. He reaches back out.

He was telling furniture, bro.

One or quart. Signing used furniture at that.

Yeah, bro. Who was it for, bro? What furniture? Wynacourt. Yeah, Wynacourt, bro. Dude, I rented some shit for a fucking Wynacourt one time. During Katrina, I had an apartment or something, and we put some furniture in there, some Wynacourt, bro. And somebody Yeah, some dudes stole like, we had three Ottomans in that bitch, bro. Some dude took just the Ottomans. That was a crazy thing. You don't see a lot of just solely Ottoman death.

Yeah, no. I don't.

Usually, you can take the love seat, bro, because who's going They just lay on the floor and just put their feet up?

He must have been desperate, bro.

So that guy's a real adventure.

Yeah, I like it. I like his style. I wouldn't even be mad at him. You know what I'm saying? If you're just taking the Ottoman, I ain't even...

So when people came in the door, you were showing the furniture?

Oh, yeah, bro.

Oh, my. If I could, that would be my dream, dude, if I showed up and you got to show me.

I had to fade back then. My face had to be shaved. I had to wear makeup on my hands at one point because I got my hands tattooed, which ultimately got fired. But I worked there for three years. And then we would keep in touch with each other. He would hit me up. And I think it was around, yeah, it was when I got fired. I don't know if you had just graduated from Loyola, but he wanted to come and film a music video for one of my songs, which I thought he was trolling me the whole time.

He said no the first time.

Yeah, he's fucking with me. He said no. He's the one that convinced me. He's like, No, you're actually pretty good at rapping, but you should take this serious. And then from there, that's how we linked up. We did that video. And then G59 came about because That was our little click back in high school, and even a little bit after high school. We thought we were thugs, bro. We thought we were gangsters and shit. Everybody on the east side of Highway 59, and our color was great. We thought we were banging and shit. We thought we were bad. A lot of those guys either died from drug overdoses or got in trouble or some shit. But we kept the name alive by... We got together. We're like, All right, let's- The The name was already there.

Yeah. Why not make it something?

Yeah, Adi was the one that pointed that out. Let's roll with this.

I just thought G59, Great 59, was a hard-ass fucking name, and he was already wrapping it. So I figured, linked up, why not just run with that? Yeah.

Anything I missed?

I was actually going to say- Besides your side. No, I was going to say it's funny because when he started making beats back in 2008, 2009, he bought a MacBook, started making beats. And around that time, I was getting really into hip hop and currency and stuff, being from down here. He was telling me he was making beats, and I was like, Yo, can you show me how you do this? I would be interested in learning. He's like, Yeah, I got you. He's like, Show me how he does it. He taught me how to make beats. It's just so funny that now we're still doing the same shit.

Yeah.

It just evolved from there, and then you start putting on shows locally?

Yeah, we would book shows in the North Shore in Baton Rouge or whatever, because, all right, let me be real with you. We knew no one was going to come. No one knew who the fuck we were. We were just starting out. We didn't expect anybody to come, and we would use those live shows as practice to see what is going to work, what's not going to work, the things we can do to fuck with the crowd and all that stuff. At first-We did a lot of open mics, too. A lot of open mics.Wow. Actually, one of them.

Open mic, performing as comedy, though, It was music. It was music.

It was like bands and rappers.

To win like $1,000.

Right. To win $1,000 unlimited of waste.

And on our third time, we did it. We finally, we won.

We won, and we just took all that money and bought T-shirts like blanks, and then we just printed all our own T-shirts. We would literally text people like, When to buy one? And then Scott would drive it to them and deliver it.

Bro, that's still what you guys, this whole thing feels like to me. It doesn't feel small like that, but it feels like that. Because I'll see like fonts and things, and it's like, I don't understand it because I haven't known the music from the beginning. I'm like, Oh, this is their world, but it's just beloved in that space. It's interesting that you say that because...

Fuck, what did you just say? My Can you tell me what you just said.

Yeah, you would drive over the delivery.

That's how-Oh, right. It is in a way-It still feels the same as-It is the same. Our roots. It is the same. Obviously, we're not driving T-shirts to people anymore, but Scott and I are still very much involved, very hands-on. And I think we fucking care, dude. This is our baby, and we love it, and it's loved us back, and we want to take care of it. And distancing ourselves from it because we've gained money and egos is not really something that we're interested in doing. No. We're very aware of that, too.

Yeah, this shit has saved our lives, bro. I don't know any other force or consequence that might have been powerful enough to make us even consider to go get help and get clean. You know what I'm Because we had something to live for. We had something to lose. Not just the business, not just the label, but each other.

Yeah, it's bigger than us. We employ people.

It's way bigger than me, him. It's bigger than any of us, bro.

I think that's something like he just said that we tell ourselves constantly to just keep ourselves down to Earth. Because it's easy, dude, to be successful and get caught up in yourself. It's easy because if anything, you have to fight that shit off.

You know what I mean? I'm sure you know, bro.

Yeah, it's It's a battle I've dealt with. Some days I win, some days I lose. Over time, it's gotten better. Yeah, and especially if you're hands-on, you're doing things, then that becomes a part of it because you want everything to be perfect, learning to let other people help you. Then your ego can build without you even noticing it. You think like, Oh, I'm just proud of myself. But 95% of that cup could be ego. It's interesting, man. It is. I think it's funny you say that, though, Scott, about something I'm saving you. Yeah, there's a lot of times where if I didn't have to, I'm like, there's some temptation that will happen the night before and I'm like, I got a podcast tomorrow, or I have a show to do. I have some responsibility. I got to get an edit for my producers, or one of them is waiting on the email from me or something, or I'm waiting from them, and it keeps me going. Yeah, bro.

For a long time, I would argue that drugs kept me alive because I didn't know how to live in this world. I didn't want to live in this world at at all, but at the same time, didn't quite have the balls to take myself out. Oh, yeah.

That's a great thing.

I'd say that drugs kept me alive for a long time.

What made you have so much pain, you think? What was the tough part for you, you think?

I think it was a mixture, dude. I think it was, like I said, just being born. I just feel it out of place all the way, like something wasn't right.

Which is a common theme with the addicts. Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm a large in the worlds of fucking media, somewhere the worlds of 7XL. Exactly. I'm wondering around in my own shirt. I'm trying to find a neck hole, bro.

They've done a lot of work on this, and they know it's like, genetics, I won't get into all that. But part of that, and I think also the way I grew up, and when I say this, dude, I love everyone in my family. I'll go above and beyond for any one of them. But Everybody was doing the best they could for what they knew how to do, but it was still tough. It was some tough shit to grow up in. That didn't help. But I tell you the biggest thing, and I'll shut up. That way, I don't get too overwinded with this because I have a tendency to do that. But I always thought this thing, okay, the drugs are not working anymore. They're not doing it for me. But this thing, this thing is going to do it for me. Once we get to that whatever that place is in my head, whenever I get that thing, that's going to do it for me. Then I got really suicidal when we got there, wherever there is-And nothing changed.and nothing changed. Now I feel worse because if this don't work, what's going to do it?

That's when I really started to spiral. For me, and I'll end it with this, the answer for me has been getting involved in the 12-step programs. It's been more of a spiritual answer rather than the material.

Yeah, man. I remember I was in my garage, it was probably two years ago, man. I Ball. I'm not talking to my brother on the phone. I was like, Nothing will save me. It was like, I got people that'll like me. I thought that was my problem. Same. If enough people like me, I'll like me. Yes. It was like, Fuck, man. One day, I'm just like-Makes me emotional.

It's asked backwards because you have to like yourself first and then the other stuff comes.

But it's crazy to think, man, that that's the way that it could process. But I see you in the rooms, man. It gives me a lot of hope every time I see you. Same with you, bro. It makes you want to keep going. The way you run your rooms, bro. Not to overtalk you, but it's like you have a lot of respect of a lot of people in there, and it's cool, man.

I've been blessed, bro. For you, Bro, I was- Eat that vape. Yeah. They taste shitty. You want a fresh one? All right. Come on, brother. Let me at least do you that service.

Yeah, bro. Look, we can't be popping pills, bro.

We're going to nick it out.

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No, but Theo, I was three months sober, bro. Just living on my own. Just got to where I was living on my own in California, where I went got sober, and I came across your video on YouTube. That was my introduction to you, and it was why I got sober. It was that video. And then from there, I watched that video, and you inspired me, bro, and you gave me hope. And then that's when I did a deep dive on you. Started watching all your greatest hits and highlights and shit, laughing my ass off. That's funny, bro. That's how I came to know you. But before we even knew each other, bro, you gave me a little bump, and I needed it, too, with that video.

Gang, man. Thanks, bro. Yeah, it's crazy, I think, the connection that people get going through, if they're using or if they're recovering It's on both sides of that, it seems like there's probably a lot of connection. You guys could probably speak to that, huh?

You think? What do you mean?

Even on the using side, there's a level of connection that that keeps people.

Oh, yeah. I mean, that'll keep you in the act of addiction by... When I was buying pills and shit and snorting Roxis, I never wanted to do them alone. I would share with everybody, and I was making money, so I could buy a bunch, and I would share with people that were my friends that didn't make as much money, and they were happy to get free pills. I could be in my dark shit, but not alone. I think a lot of addicts are chasing loneliness. They're chasing... They're having trouble with self-acceptance. I think finding your little group of similar drugs that you want to do together. It definitely makes you feel like you're safe and at home. Then the exact opposite happens when you get off of them, too. You find your people that want to stay away from that shit, and it strengthens your little community that you're in.

What were some of the What would have been some of the highlights? Because you guys have a success that I think a lot of people don't really know it in a lot of ways. A lot of people do, but you aren't a mainstream thing. Is that offensive to say? No, not at all.

It doesn't feel offensive, right? If anything, I It's in the defense of the opposite, that people do consider us mainstream, and I don't think we are. We are, and maybe how popular we are or how many people listen to us, but you're not going to see us.

People like to gatekeep.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, especially our fan base. They love to gatekeep.

What does that mean when people say gatekeep?

They feel like it's their thing.

You have to deserve to be our fan.

It feels like that, though.

Every fan that we meet, whether it's like we're just out and about, or we run into somebody that recognizes us, ask him, and I bet you he'll back me up. Ten times out of 10, they tell me that they've listened to us since 2015. Or they'll say, I've been listening to you guys since you all started. I've been in the fan since 2012. Or they'll lie.

Since I was in seventh grade, and now they're 20 something.

Yeah, exactly. But the 2015 thing is funny.

Someone's still in seventh grade, too, bro. I don't know where Paris they from. No disrespect, dude. Hey, bro. I did Fifth twice, homie. We've been in there, bro. We've all done a little sentence, man. It is. It's their world. That's why even we're talking with you guys, it feels since I wasn't there from the beginning, you don't feel a little bit of you're like, Oh, this is their thing. Even when I meet you all's fans, it feels like that. It feels like they're people that have feelings, and they've been through something. That's what it feels like. You all show's a real interesting It's interesting, man, because it's such a kickoff, and then it's almost like running downfield the whole show. It just feels like a-That's a good way to-It's intense, man. And the crowd gets going. I mean, there's a lot going on. You got the people up by the front, just almost like a big lung up there.

They're just like, five. He taught me this early on, man. We were doing a show. We were about to do a show in New York, and only three people were showing up. Me and some other rappers were like, Fuck this. We ain't doing this. And he taught me a lesson early. He's like, Bro, it doesn't matter if one person shows up or thousands, you give that person a show. And ever since then, I've ran with that. It's like, anytime I'm out there-You did take to That's what I'm doing.

I'm doing that super well. Yeah.

If these people are paying to come watch me perform, then the last thing I want to do is just sit there. Like, I want-Right in your own self.

Yeah.

And just be still. I don't know if that makes sense, but I want to go out there and give them energy. Give them everything I got.

Like I said, dude, worst case scenario, one person showed up, it's a fucking practice. You don't get rusty. You keep it going because we'll tour once a year, really, two, three months at the end of the year. The The most few shows we do, we forget what to say, or we'll forget certain lyrics. We're like, Fuck, did we've done this for 10 years? How are we forgetting this shit? You have to get back in the groove.

Yeah, you got to get back in the groove, man. You guys now, there's a new album coming out. What is it like to evolve? Is it scary to evolve? I think about it even in comedy and stuff. I'm like, What the heck? Some of your people that listen to you, they listen to you at a certain age, but they're getting older, too. Some of them are all different ages. How do you try and apply to everybody?

I'm really glad you asked this. That's a great question.

How do you try to also apply to yourself at the same time?

We might have two different.

I think it'll be... At first, I think at first we were scared to change the sound up because the formula was working, and we were worried about introducing new stuff because what if they don't like it and this and that? The more successful you get is the scarier it gets because you think one wrong fucking move and it all crumbles, which isn't true. But we started experimenting, doing some singing stuff or whatever, and people seemed to fuck with it. Then we got to a point to where we didn't really care if they didn't like it or not. Scott and I have been making this music for so long now that if we want to try something experimental or new, I think we deserve to at this point. It can be a scary thing, but I think don't fear it and just do it and see what happens.

I agree 100% on everything you said. I don't know if you went through this, too, but for me, on a more personal level, when I got sober, it was like I was so scared because I thought my drug use fueled all my creativity.

Yeah, that was definitely a thought for sure.

For me, once I finally did start getting back into it, it was literally like learning how to walk all over again. It is. Really? The sound did change as a result of that, beat-wise, production-wise.

More like less scary and sad-sounding. Yes.

I think the evolution of our music has matched exactly-The evolution of us.of us.

That's a great point.

That's how I look at it.

What was it like? If you're on pills and you're deep out on pills, I never really got that out on them. If you're like Huff and Trank or whatever, I don't even know what some of the names are. Yeah, fucking Swamp Pebbles or whatever you're buying out.

She's just looking for anything now. You're looking for a Nicole.

Oh, bro, they'll have a tilapia-flaved perk out here, bro. In New Orleans, they don't give a shit, bro. You'll have a fucking pecan-crusted Zanbar out here, bro. You're probably like, What the fuck? Everybody wants to be a chef in this motherfucker, bro. That's pretty funny, bro. That's crazy, dude.

Yeah, you'll have- Carlene Adderall's.

Oh, you'll have a bag of chaw grilled Somas over here, bro. That place is crazy, dude.

That's pretty funny, bro.

But What was it like making music when you're under that influence? Is it even possible to make music when you're that pill high? I don't know. I'm just curious. Or is it just possible to just listen back? Or Was there any creativity from the actual high of that?

I don't know if we work differently because I know sometimes you would wait until after we were done. But this was early on to smoke.

I still smoke weed.

I couldn't go without it. Ruby couldn't either. You know what I'm saying? We were constantly on it all day. It's just feeling normal.

Yeah, I would agree with that.

It was all you doze off and shit.

How do you find it?

So you're both awake at the same time to make a track.

When you take a Percaset first thing in the morning or whatever, your oxy, whatever it is, it's going to give you a boost.

I'll come out of that bathroom snoring something, and I'm like, What's up, motherfuckers? I'm on one. And then as you keep dosing, at the end of the day, it's like when you've done all day it, and that's when you start to knot off. It's like your body is like, Okay, I'm tapping out.

For me, I was mixing so much stuff, so much speed. This kid was all over the fucking place. But you can hear it in the music now. Sometimes we go back for laughs and we'll listen to some of the shit I made when I was in psychosis.

What would you say is the most fucked up you ever were for an album?

I Want to Die in New Orleans.

I think mine is Well.

I think mine is-I hate that album.

Stop Staring is mine. Really?

I hate that album. You did Phenomenal on it, but I was so far gone, dude. I was literally in psychosis from doing so much speed and downers, bro. I thought Southwest Airlines was trying to kill me. I thought-You told me that story once, bro. I thought Kyle took a life insurance policy out on me for 70 grand. This motherfucker- Bro, that's the most New Orleans shit ever.

Somebody takes a life insurance policy out for $700, bro. Just for what? To make it their truck payment. That's the fucking most New Orleans shit, bro.

I remember that we were in New Zealand when he told me that. He thought that they were putting a hit out on us.

Yeah. He thought like- What do you say when he sits you down?

I put them through hell.

Look, at one point, I was starting to get really impatient with it because I was tired of explaining that this insane theory wasn't actually happening. I thought he had my phone tab. This was one time He quit Suicide Boys on Twitter. I don't know if you remember that. Oh, I remember. I remember where I was at. At the time, he had just bought a condo in Bradenton, Florida, outside of Sarasota. I can't get in touch with them. Kyle can't get in touch with them. We decide, let's go out there. Let's just press him. Let's be in person. Long story short, we fly down there, rent a car, drive to his apartment, and he doesn't expect us. He doesn't know we're coming. We go upstairs, and I knock on the door, and he's like, One second. I think to myself like, Man, I just flew out here. Fuck that. I'm not waiting a second. I was like, Bro, I'm here. What's up? What's the problem? He was like, Give me a second. He had to go to the bathroom, do his little thing, catch my drift. Then we came outside. He was ready to talk. Long story to say, I was trying to see.

I was like, Is Is he fucking with me? Is he lying to me? Does he think I'm stupid? Or does he actually believe this shit? And is he fucking crazy? So I had to sit him down and I was like, Bro, this Southwest thing, do you think that the people on the board of Southwest sit in a boardroom? Southwest Airlines. Southwest Airlines. And they discuss how we're going to assassinate Scrim from Suicide Boys. And he looked at me dead in the eyes, the most serious look on his face, and he goes, Yes. And I lost It crossed my mind, bro. I took my phone and I threw it on the... I was trying to hit the grass, but I hit the sidewalk. The fucker sparked. That pissed you off even more.

Yeah.

I thought they were trying to kill me because my brother had bootlegged one of our tracks because he was bad off on dope and sold it to this person for $800, but actually didn't give him the song. He just scammed him. I thought the person he scammed was the son of somebody on the board of Southwest, and they were just going to take me out.

To speak on the other side of things, I'm thinking, what is coming out of his mouth?

Is it real or not? Come to find out the story of his brother stealing a song and selling it is true. I'm sitting there and I feel bad because I've been calling him a liar in my head and all this shit. And then I find out it's true. So then I'm like, All right, so is all of this true? I still refuse to believe that the board of Southwest is meeting to discuss his assassination.

My brother and my family believe that I had- That was a crazy fucking Bro, I was very convincing. I had fans tweeting at Southwest Airlines on Twitter. I did. That's crazy. But that was toward the end. That was when I was really spiraling.

Fuck, dude. It's interesting, though, that you guys were at least had a close enough connection because a lot of bands fall apart from that stuff. A lot of groups, a lot of teams fall apart. Everything falls apart. We're family.

I'm glad you brought them. I don't know you know that, but we're family.

But for you to go there and want to actually just to think, Let me see what's really going on with them.

Dude, we've never even hit each other. We've gotten in each other's faces ready to fucking beat the shit out of each other. We've both been able... You're my cousin, and I don't want to hit you. I fucking hate you right now, but I'm not going to touch you. It's gone both ways. I'd say that the family thing, which obviously doesn't apply to everybody, but we've been able to look at the fact that we're cousins and the fact that we provide for our families, which is a shared family, as a reason to never give up on each other. If this was just one of my I don't think it would have been the same. No.

No way. That's good that you brought that up because a lot of groups just don't make it in general. Doing business with family is usually not a smart way to go. But for us, It's the only time it worked out. Yeah, I think it's just a unique situation. Bro, we both got the same granny to answer to, and she ain't nothing nice. You know what I'm saying? She's a scary woman. She done FaceTime me before.

She's a scary woman.

She done FaceTime me before being like, You making music without your cousin? That's too much. Pressing me.

I was like, and I'd have to call her and be like, granny, I got it. She's going to think that I'm fucking venting to you.

Does she stay up late or no?

I don't think so.

She's almost 80 now.

She was a bus driver for the Parish, Jefferson Parish. Jefferson Parish, pretty much her whole life. Yeah, bro. Drove me to school from kindergarten to high school.

Dang, brother.

Real working woman, bro. A long bus. And Wagaman.

She would name handle grown seniors in high school.

Oh, bro. Yeah. She I watched her.

I'm telling you, you don't want to fuck with that lady.

She's from Wagaman, bro. Come on, man. They'll throw down. The first seat, they'll have a crock pot going in that bitch. They got lunch going in.

I made you pot of gumbo.

That's back I was in the bus, and I'm going to just pick up a strange on that. We'd have two raccoons in the fourth row, bro.

Fucking Nutria. Anything in that bitch, bro.

Dude, the bus, people used to cut. It used to be the green seat cover. Sometimes they were green and sometimes they were black. People would cut a little slice in there. People put dope all. The bus, they didn't even realize the bus the whole time was just driving dope around the fucking city.

What the fuck? I never thought on that.

People would keep everything. They would slice in the back. The inside of the seat was hollow. People would keep all shit.

I was too crafty, motherfucker.

I was too busy, finger and girls in the back of the bus.

You was in the 11th row. Yeah, bro. That was a red light district of the bus. Randy, put it on Q93. Q93. Wild Wayne. Yeah, dude. Remember Wild Wayne, bro? What was some of the things they would say on there?

Q93, boys.

I remember when the Saints were going to the Super Bowl, Q93 hosted some show at the Holland Wolf, and they had every... That year, because the Saints were doing so well, everybody came out with a Saint song. You remember that shit? You remember that shit? Yeah. Wild Wayne hosted this show. It was all these Saints rappers out there. I'm trying to think.

Look at While Wayne, Q93. See if we could play even their intro.

I remember DJ Ro would come on, either 4:00 or 5:00 every day, DJ Ro in the mix. I pitched the idea to wind a court that they need to advertise on Q93, and they did it. They did it? They did it while Wayne, all them came in. Nuh-uh. Yeah, we were bumping, bro.

That's touching.

This is 2002, bro. It's crazy.

We were selling the shit out of some furniture after that.

Was there some moments where you guys got to connect with some local artists when you all started coming up? Or how did that go?

Man, I'm going to say it. The city fucking hates us, bro. They do. We don't get no love. We don't get any love from the city, not from people in the city, artists, nothing.

It's interesting.

We're not even doing a show this year in New Orleans because we don't feel love, and we're a little annoyed.

Yeah, we got out of every arena we went to last year, New Orleans absolutely treated us the worst.

Like, garbage, dude. Like, they were doing us a favor.

Yeah, I was actually mind blown by it.

And what is it do you think? What do you think some of that is? You guys are something so different. Right. I don't know if that has something to do with it.

I think people get turned off by the name Suicide Boys. And I know that Keith Loomis doesn't fuck with us because of that. But what a lot of people don't understand is It might have started off as a way to say stupid shit, but it's definitely become a thing that people relate to, and it's become an important part of some kids' lives. Scott and I want people to do well. We're not trying to tear people down. It's funny how people get the wrong idea.

I'm glad you said that because we never intended. We never had this grand idea or intention for it to turn into this community and turn into it or have kids being like, You saved my life, or the emails that Kyle and them get.Fan.

Letters, all sorts of shit.Yeah.

It's-so I think if people were to dig past the surface, they would see. But I think that also goes into this is bigger than us, dude.

It's real interesting, man. I get more requests for you guys than anybody ever. Really? Oh, dude. I feel the same, bro. Everybody's been like, Yo, you all got to go on deal. When the money sign to be, when they send it. At At first, I thought it was people just trying to get me to send them cash. I didn't know-Sending money to O'Bee. Yeah, the first thousand I got, I'm like, Who the fuck is this guy? Dude, they're running a go fund before this group.

Yeah, B-Hurting.

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Yeah, I did this weekend. Did you catch it? I didn't see it. I caught it. I was struggling to stay up, I go to bed. I'm like a grandpa now ever since I got sober.

I mean, it was late as hell. We were there, we didn't go on stage or whatever until 12:30.

I watched it, man. I was rooting for him, bro.

Lafayette boy?

Yeah, I think he did great, bro.

Me, too.

He did great.

I don't even know.

He lost. Islam won.

Yeah, Islam won.

What was in it? By a chokehold?

Yeah, but it was so close. It was in the fourth round.

But if this was a Crawfish shootingCrawfish, you know who it would have been.

Yeah, all day.

Look, he's almost shaped like a Crawfish right there. Dustin didn't win, but I really didn't feel like he lost. I mean, this dude, everybody thought this dude was going to roll. I don't want to say that. It's safe to say, People thought that Islam was going to beat him because he beats everybody. And Dustin took that dude. So he put him a good fight.

He's a good fight, bro. Dustin is a dog, bro.

You got to be, bro. You got to be.

And you could tell, man, it's just interesting the different ways a lot of people use to express themselves, like if it's music or comedy or art.

Well, we've both gotten into training, boxing. We've been doing that for the past couple of years. Bro, that in itself is an art and a science and something to be respected. Now, when I watch this, I have a whole different... I grew up watching it with my papa anyway. He was a boxer. But I watched these guys, bro, and the amount of respect I have for them. Just in the little training that we do. You know what I'm saying? It seems like these guys are built different.

For anything you watch, skateboarding, boxing, whatever it is, it seems easy. Then once you actually get in it, you realize, Oh, this is not easy. You throw four punches in your window and you're like, How the fuck these dudes do this for nine rounds?

Oh, yeah. This is him at the end, I think. We can play this.

And I'm not 100%, but if this is my last fight, I wanted to dedicate this journey to the people who may be the man I am, and that's the women in my life. To my grandmother, I miss you every day. And I know I'm still protected by your prayers. To my mother, we've had a crazy life. I love you. Thanks for always having my back.

And to my wife, I love you so much.

I wouldn't be standing right here without you. And babe, Jolie, I don't know if I'd be breathing, honestly, if it wasn't for you. And to Parker, Daddy's wine.

I love you so much.

I'm so proud of you.We.

All right, baby.

That was so funny, dude. Always taste your dreams.

What a beautiful moment, man. Really cool. You're an incredible man, Dustin Poirier.I.

See that's his last fight?

I hope not.

He's not sure. He's a fighter, man. I think the thing about him, he just like... Even if he don't get the W, it's like there's something about him. He shows up to fight. That's what I think everybody can relate to. It's like, All right, I can go fight. I can fight through another day in my life, whether it's just feeling okay or- When he was talking in the post-conference interviews, he was bringing up the uncertainty of his future.

Any time lately, people bring that up. It makes me think about us. What we would do. Yeah, and what's next.

I think we just give up music, train for 10 years, and then we can put on our own headlining fight. I'm about it. Me versus I don't want to do that. We can pull a Sopranos, and right as the fight's about to start, it fits the black. We collect our money.

Now, that's brilliant. That's brilliant.

I'm not going to hit you, bro.

I just told them, I'm not going to fucking hit you. That's brilliant. You all could fight somebody, maybe the Yin-Yang twins. How old are they?

Yeah. Bro, they have one of the best Cribs episodes ever, the Yin-Yang twins. They're just shouting random noises the whole time. That show was so entertaining.

Yeah, they got... Well, the Saints took their song, wasn't it?

Yeah, I always thought that was K. You know some K.

Gates took the beat and made it into the Riella Who That. The Who That, so they're going to be damn since.

Oh, really? Oh, okay.

Yeah, but I think there was some copyright issue.

That's them? Yeah. That's Yin-Yang?

So K. Gates took it and made a version. He made the hook.

It's like, Who That.

Oh, okay.

At the game, you'll hear the Yin-Yang twins version.

But New Orleans is interesting, man. A lot of unique. Bro, I was walking down. This is how we even got this art. I'm walking down the street when I'm going next door to get a coffee. I was thinking, man, it would be cool if we had some neat art. There's a dude sitting outside blazing with his homie.

Oh, shit. It's Louis Armstrong, I think. Or somebody. It's a jazz player.

This dude, Tyrell Shaw. This is his art, And he's like, I was like, Dude, I'm about to chat with the Suicide Boys. You want to put a piece in? That's cool. He's like, Yeah, man.

That's fire that you put them on like that. I respect that.

It's supporting local art, baby.

It's like what... That's the thing about New Orleans. You could walk half a block.

You'll see talent in the streets.

You'll see talent. You'll either get... Yeah. You'll either disappear in a pothole.

We got no love in the beginning. You will disappear in a pothole, bro. We was handing out mixtapes, and them bitches were going in the trash.

Actually, I'm going to tell the LSU story. When we first started recording and making music, really first attempting to do this shit, we made a CD for him, a mixtape for him. We got to print it. We made 500 of them. I made the cover for him. We go, What are we going to do with this? Let's go to shows in colleges. Let's go hand this shit out. Old school, right?

I'll put these shades on for this one.

This was also in 2013. We're going old school. We go to LSU campus. We're staying with my brother because he's going to school there at the time. Wow.

So you all didn't even hand shit out?

Oh, yeah. We go in that big part of the campus where all the traffic, all the people are walking by. It's in between classes. Oh, yeah, the quad. Me and Scott hanging out CDs. Like, Oh, you're fucking rap. Check this out, whatever. Bro, first of all, all them CDs ended up in the trash. Every fucking one. We turned around three feet away from us as the CD on the ground. But the funniest thing that happened that day was... I love this part. It was some girl, this nervous freshman heading to class, a bunch of books in her bag. You could tell she's on edge. She's riding her bike, and she comes in front of me and Scott and rolls over his shoe. And Scott, what we both do, but Scott loves white shoes. The thing with white shoes is don't fucking scuff them. Keep them clean.

And don't ride a bike over.

Don't ride a bike over.

And Not asking much.

He flipped out. I'm just laughing the whole time because I just thought it was funny. But he was like, What the fuck? And this girl looks so scared, bro. You got to know this, this motherfucker still looked like this, too, back then. She took off, bro, did not look back. I'm just dying laughing. The white shoes, man.

He's like, I'll floor your whole fucking house, lady.

I lost count of how many fights I got in growing up over stepping on people's shoes, bro. That's a sign of disrespect. That's how we met. That's how me and Kyle met at Found Blue because this dude He was cutting the lawn. I stepped in his way. It was exam week. I was starving. It was chicken dinner and macaroni.

How about this? It was chicken dinner day.

Yeah, chicken dinner day. He had a lunch lady on. That's the biggest day.

He's cutting the lawn with his homies. I'm like, No, this ain't happening today, bro. I step in the way. I step on his shoes. Then next thing, I know I'm fighting him, both of his sisters who were built like linebackers and a couple of other guys.

A lot of shouldery women in that area.

Yeah, a lot of shouldery women. That's That's how me and Kyle, that's how we met. He was like, Yo, come roll with us from here.

You went to Fountain Blue.

So check this out. When I first moved up there- I love this.

Because this is in St. Timony Parish. Yeah.

Look, I grew up on the West, man. I'm Henry Ford.

I'm used to If I met- Go ahead. I just want to set you up. You know this, but for our audience, the Mandeville is the area of the families that wear all white and take family portraits at the beach.

Yeah, Mandeville is fancy. That's the vibe.

Yeah, so am I back in?

No, thank you for that.

West Bank is definitely different, bro. There's a lot of place.

We're doing what we got to do to get by.

Yeah, way driver. You'll have somebody get buried in an oyster half shell or something over there. They got some couple of cuties over there in tall timbers. I know that. But otherwise, it gets a little bit. You never know, bro. You'll have a dude have his eyes taken out of a couple of dice put in. A hundred %.

Type shit. Yeah, all day.

So Scott's coming from that area. I'm moving, yeah.

Our neighborhood is getting really bad. We just had my youngest Brother, my dad's like, All right, I'm getting the family up out of here. Moved to Lacombe, right by Mandeville. So I go to Fountain Blue, right? I show up there. I got Cornrose in. I got a big, tall T. You remember Tall T? I had a big, tall T on. I had some Jibos. It was about as bag as these pants. Oh, Lord. And my bus driver was Black. And even him, when I walked in the bus, he said, What the fuck are you doing?

So Alien just landed, bro.

That's the first thing this man tells me on my first day of school, they ever getting on the bus five in the morning. He said, What the fuck are you doing?

That's a long shirt you was in, too. Scott got on the shirt. It took a few more seconds, this shirt. It did.

There's somebody behind him.

I sit down, I'm like, I get to the school, it's 2,000 white kids, bro. Oh, yeah. So you want to talk about culture shock? I was like, I thought I landed on another planet. So did they. Yeah, They thought another- Good point. Bro, no one talked to me for a year.

Oh, I could see that.

I was by myself for a year.

It took me getting into a fight for Kyle and them to be like, All right, you good.

Come on. Damn. And then that That is a way to prove yourself. That's the short version of the story.

There's something about walking around a school when nobody talks to you that you create this own universe in your head.

Oh, yeah. My high school-Sorry, go ahead.

No, it's like a first-person game. It's like you're in a first-person shooter world. It's true.

I was going to say, he got that experience, my experience in high school, I went to Jesuit. It was all boys, Catholic, prep school, whatever. I definitely did not fit in in that school. To this day, if I say- I didn't know you went to Jesuit. See, when I say I went to Jesuit, people are like, What? You went to Jesuit? I got involved with drugs early. I was 14. Earlier to me? Yeah. I was actually going to say that story, too. I was 14, and I was like, I'm going to try it all because I just I tried weed, and it wasn't as bad as they said it was. I'm going to try it all. I'm going to fuck bitches. I'm going to do crack, all that shit. I did it all.

That's the crazy thing about drugs. Fuck bitches and smoking crack. Which is funny because those two things really don't go together, actually.

But anyway, I spread this rumor about myself. I was snorting heroine on my desk in geometry class. I did it because I got off to how everybody thought I was crazy, and I liked it. I liked people thinking I was crazy. I let the rumor spread. When they got back to me, it was like, Oh, Adi slangs crack downtown to pay for his high school, la, la, la. That's what they were saying about me. That's pretty sick.

I confirmed all of this. To pay for your own way to private school.

Why would I do that, first of all? Second of all, I confirmed it all. I was like, yeah, all that's true. Let me tell you something, bro. No one fucked with me. Everyone let me be. They thought I was cool, whatever. That was my way of getting all those guys to fuck off.

It's an entrepreneurial thing, bro. That dude That dude is- It's always been like that.

It's also doing the most for what?

That was a fun time, though, bro. We used to always hear stories about Lil Wayne driving to school. Did you all hear that story? Uh-uh. That Lil Wayne, somebody got him a car when he was 14, he didn't even have a license. I believe it. And he would drive to school when it was like a Hummer. I don't know, whatever was hot at the time. Fucking Prowler. Yeah, something like that. And he would drive in park by the teachers and shit, and nobody said nothing. That was like a rumor that we always heard.

Shit, that dude was famous since he was 14. That shit's crazy.

And then Juvenile, they used to have a rumor he chased a woman with an ice pick.

That wasn't a rumor. I'm pretty sure that was real.

Yeah. In the neighborhood I live in.

I remember.

So as a result of that, when I was- At least name a road after him, bro. Check this out. When they found out I was moving in, the whole HOA had a meeting about a rapper.

Oh, just recently? No.

When I first moved into that neighborhood a couple of years ago, they had a meeting about whether or not we like this rapper moving in. But I mean, little do they know that. I mean, dude, I'm so low key, bro.

It happened to us, too. When we had recently moved to Florida. Oh, Florida, too. They found out these two rappers were moving into the neighborhood, and they threw a fucking fit, bro. They were not having it. And then we moved in, they realized we are quiet, nice, friendly guys. I was picking up my neighbor's kid from his school.

Well, I think there's been a history of When I was in college, Master P would come over to the rec center and shoot ball. Oh, really? And he would come with Silk, and he would come with- That's Shout Out Silk.

Yeah. He would come with…

Silk is still in jail, isn't he?

No, see, murder is still in jail.

He's still in See, murder would come with them, and they would have all kinds of guys over there.

But then some of those, yeah, see, murder went to jail. You had juvenile went to jail for a while. Then BG went to jail. I think there's so much history of a lot of New Orleans rappers, like Mystical went to jail. You have a lot of that culture. I think it probably-Damn, I didn't even put all that together.

How many New Orleans rappers?

It gets fearful for a lot of guys. Boosy was in jail for- Long time.

About five years, four years?

Eight, I think. Eight? God damn. When you think about that- That's why Boosy He moved out.

Bg was in jail for a decade. I know.

Bg was in jail for a decade. Bg was in jail. Really? Yeah. Bg was in jail.

His dad told us a story about his dad was in St. Tammany, and so was BG. Apparently BG one day just got fed up because imagine being a rapper, you go to jail, how many people are trying to freestyle to you? Oh my God. Put me on, whatever.

Put me on and I'm in jail.

Just walking in here, they were doing it.

There you go. Exactly. So apparently BG one day makes an announcement to everybody saying, If one more motherfucker comes up to me and freestyles, I'm going to have a big problem. And they said, Okay, bet. And they just beat the shit out of them anyway or something like that.

I don't know. Your dad was in St. Tammany?

Yeah, he was in St. Tammany.

For eight months, 10 months, something?

Six. I think six months. It was It was a DUI. He shot your first video.

That week, he got out.

He got out.

Yeah, it was so fucking crazy.

It was like his first day out video type shit.

Did you guys' success give him any cloud in the hand, did he say or anything like that?

That was way after.

Yeah, that was before. That was actually right before we linked up and stuff.

Do you all see that Rick Ross car show, man?

No. I know he's been... Yeah, I know he puts one on.

He put one on in his front yard. You're trying to go? I think it just happened. I saw that Boosy before. Look at this in his front yard.

I got to put my prescription on.

That's his cars?

No, people bring their cars, bro.

So they pay to buy tickets to go to this.

Oh, I probably got some crazy whips out there.

Bro, there's a couple. Damn.

Was it Miami?

It looks like Atlanta, maybe.

I think it's... Yeah.

There's one.

Damn.

That's pretty wild. I've never seen a shit like that before.

Yeah, that's pretty cool. See, you get the one with the horses, bro. When you roll in, they got horses. I think that's a van at Holyfield's house.

What is that? A fucking Ferrari?

Yeah.

Just as a horse trough.

What the fuck, bro?

They got horses eating straight hay out of Ferrari's, baby.

Out of a horse, yeah.

That's crazy. Yeah, that's more horse power, bro.

People just be thinking how to flex.

That's horse power right there.

Bro, that's like a wild... That's People be coming up with the craziest way as to flex.

Because you have to now. You have to now. How much bigger can chains get?

How much more expensive can your cars be? You got to start doing crazy shit.

Yeah, look at this guy. All these speakers, this dude. This was wild looking.

Bro, is that that fucking Toyota? You're not talking about those SUVs. Yeah, that's a FJ. Fj, yeah. That's crazy. Damn. With the Dolphins colors.

Dude, my dad used to have a Cutlass. My dad bought a Cutlass from a couple of brothers that live around the corner from us when I was a kid. I've told this story before, but I only have so I don't know what stories. My dad was probably 80 years old at the time, right? So he bought his bitch of that 22s in the trunk, right? He has no idea. He can't even fucking hear. Bro, he would take-Subs?

Yeah. 22s?

Bro, it was fucking huge. Bro, it was huge, bro. He got it. Holy shit.

I had the trunk close, bro.

The dude had to get rid of it quick, bro. So my dad ended up with it, dude. And he would take us to school, bro. Oh, yeah. He would just... What the fuck? Bro, my brother got braces and bitches fucking shit.

What were you all listening to?

Npr radio. Fuck. The news, bro. Cloudy. Eighty-eighty % chance of.

That thunder hit, though. That thunder hit with them, 22.

Dude, on Q93, though, it would be crazy because even the weather was like, We got a 30 % chance of it being hot as a motherfucker. It would always be like, Yeah, this is an adventure, bro. That's It might be raining, bitches. You all stay woke. It was always the weirdest weather report on Q93, man.

A little bounce beat going behind it.

It would always be something, bro. And B97, that was another one they had before that.

B97 was more like top 40, but because it was New Orleans, they also did some Hotboy shit.

Wasn't Mark involved in B97?

Kyle's dad was GM.

Who's here? What you did just so I noticed we can reference him.

Yeah, that's our management, Kyle and Dana. Kyle and Dana.

Nice to see you guys, man.

Respect. As much as they try to stay behind the scenes, we always make sure they get seen at least a couple of times.

But you all's whole world is like that, man. Everything is what I'm saying. It just feels like it's... It feels indie, but not in a bad way. It just feels like it's you all's world. It is. Just even that little thing right there. It's like a lot of people don't have their man coming. If they do, they're in a suit or something. It just feels like it's-It's family to us, bro.

Everybody around We've been through so much with these guys.

Our four-person team right here.

Some of you, like Will Smith was going to come on.

Come on.

But he had some issues. What was it? It was like- It was like a scheduling thing.

He wanted a little more control over the conversation.

There was things like we couldn't. Just you couldn't ask about it. It was almost like, then you're just an advertisement for a movie or something.

If you not want to talk about the slap.

Yeah, or even you couldn't even ask. I wouldn't have said, Hey, what do you hit a guy or something? I would be like, maybe what's been going on in your life that's been hectic for you the past couple of years? Just talk about what makes you feel like that. I don't need to know. The detail just seemed like he would be having a tough time, probably. Unless something was going on between them guys? But a lot of times, too, it's the agents that'll say that shit, and the artists or whatever don't have any clue. It's just how they want to control and prop.

Not us, dude. We talk all the time. Everybody's on the same page because a lot of things didn't happen because of communication being fucked up. From all of us, we all have dropped the ball at some point a little bit with communication. Now the four of us, that is the most important thing is communication and trust. It's any fucking relationship. It doesn't matter if it's professional or romantic.

It's hard to find people to trust, bro. I have a lot of Trust Issues. I've been fucked over a lot in many ways. So I'm grateful that I have him. It helps that you all went to high school together and shit. Yeah. Kyle is my best friend. We're all brothers now, but me and Kyle were best friends since high school.

You should have that guy.

Yeah.

He helped wash them bike tires off your shoes.

But, bro, we wouldn't. We were doing our thing, and they helped take us to another level. You know what I'm saying?

It really is a good thing. Only good things can only happen with a group effort. It's definitely...

Kanye said something not that long ago, man, where he's like, something I'm going to mess it up, but something to the effect of like, nothing's a solo project. Nothing is a solo project. Nothing's a solo, to your point. You know what I'm saying? It takes a team of people. It really does. I believe that.

Even then, the team of people to absorb it and listen to it and want to feel it. Because it's interesting that listeners of things, and even us, when we listen to stuff, we get a whole different thing out of it than the creator gets. It's really wild.

That's actually a good point, Theo. I don't think that point gets brought up enough either because the listeners or the audience, rather, is just as an important part of what the fuck we do and what you do. That doesn't get brought up a lot, I think.

Yeah, because you could be a good chef, but if nobody's enjoying it. Nobody thought they're licking their lips or whatever. Or putting a little bit in their napkin for the dope I'm in at home or whatever, bro.

Put some Zadarans on it.

Oh, we used to have a lunch lady, bro. She'd take everything, bro. You wouldn't even be done. She's like, I'm going to get this for my dog. I'm like, I ain't even had it.

Can I have my crust back?

I'm about to put a fur coat on. If I can hang out on your porch, then I'm fucking starving because she come take it off your plate before you even got to eat.

That's too funny.

But you guys love New Orleans. Are you guys featuring a lot of you guys videos and stuff? It's obviously a part of your life that you... So even if you haven't felt as much of a fan base here, you guys still have a lot of love for Louisiana.

Yeah. I mean, dude, I think we both have a lot of love for just the Gulf Coast in general. This is the region we're from. We're comfortable here.

Shaped who we are. Yeah. A lot of our personality, style, all of that. But yeah, I mean, dude, New Orleans, and someone told us this early on. I remember this. Basically, if I can give you a visual presentation, we were trying to go like this. Start local, build regional, go like that. Someone informed us. I'm grateful they did. This is when SoundCloud started popping, internet rappers like Young Lean, Bones, Zay when he was Ether Wolf, all that was popping off. Someone was like, You basically got to attack the internet because everybody here knows who you are. You know what I'm saying? Johnny sees you at the gas station three times a week buying cigarettes. He ain't really buying what you're selling. Whereas when you go through the internet, and that's what we did, we were able to create this thing where we got popping and all these other places first. It literally started from Russia and then came back to New Orleans. New Orleans was the last place. Yeah. Really?

The advice was, don't go local to international. Do the internet and attack an international crowd first because your hometown is going to be the last place that fucks with you. It's true because don't fuck with us.

It's true.

It's so interesting because there's a lot of New Orleans in it.

There's a lot of New Orleans in it. Dude, it shaped us. Me and him, bro, we worshiped cash money. We loved Hot Boys. We wanted to be Lil Wayne. Lil Wayne was a huge influence on both of us. I would argue that Master P is a huge inspiration to me and him. How that motherfucker started a label, had a rapping career, almost made it to the NBA, was putting his son in Nickelodeon shows. He was making movies. This motherfucker's a renaissance man.

Oh, he was one of the first black... He was an early-time-to-parry to everybody, especially from this area.

He's He's worth 600 mil, bro. He was a huge inspiration to us. Somebody that could just achieve all that, and especially from being from Calio projects. If we're not from the Calio projects, what's our excuse of not making it? You know what I mean? This guy went from literally rags to riches. Big inspiration on us.

Big reason. To us. A big inspiration behind doing the label rather than just focusing solely on suicide boys.

That's a good point. That was why we did G5.9. It was because of Cash Money No Limit.

How do you get Is Chedda on G5.9? Yeah. Okay.

Chedda, Night Lavelle.

Germshake.

Germshake Ramirez.

Okay. We have about five artists, six including ourselves.

A lot of those guys will tour with you. I know Chedda tour, the last tour that I saw, he was on.

2021?

Yeah.

This year, we're taking Shaq-well. Shaq-well.

We try to switch it up. We go to every tour and also set those guys up. But they do a great job of setting those guys up their own tours, so they get their own shine.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, Chedda just came out with an album. What's it called?

Sacrifice and Sabotage.

Yeah, man, he's great, bro.

He's a good dude, bro.

I love him, man. He and I have become pretty close.

Yeah, he's a good dude. He's a hard worker.

He is. He got a big heart, bro.

He's the only person besides me that I know that works as much as I do, bro. He gets it in.

We try to show the boys love, and we've taken them on Gray Day and stuff, but with the other artists on our label, we try to take them on tour, but also, like he said, set them up on their own tours because it's important. Bro, anything in this world that you get through hard work is going to be yours to keep for a very long time. But anything that was handed to you that you got very easily, it's not going to last very long. It's important that these guys grind. We're behind them. We support them and push them to grind and make your own audience. You can borrow some of ours, but I don't want that for you because it's not going to last long. I want you guys to have your fans that you earned, and I want it to be as big as it possibly can. Whatever we can do, to do that, we will. I don't think the shortcut of just giving it to you is going to work.

It's not going to work. Yeah, a lot of it's inspiration.

No, it won't. That's a good point, too.

A lot of it is, even if you're just all the artists, you're around each other, you inspire each other. You're like, Oh, I'm learning from this beat or this thing, or like, Oh, this is cool, or, Wow, look what he brought in. It's definitely like you guys' own. It's almost your own galaxy or something, or your own solar you all have going on.

Yeah, thank you.

Yeah, it's interesting, man. What is going to be different about the new music? What do you feel like if you had to be specific about it?

Bro, I think Scott agrees with me, but sometimes when we make albums or projects and we don't really like... I don't know how to explain this. There's been projects that we put out that we thought were great, and we wanted to do all these things for it. They were great projects, and they did their thing, and they came and went. But there's been a couple where we didn't even think about it. I don't know. I have this weird feeling that this album is going to be huge. I'm not just saying that to promote it or whatever. I'm not really one for self-promotion, but we both have this weird feeling It's like when we don't try is what I'm trying to say. When we don't try, we make a fucking masterpiece. But when we're trying too hard, we make some try hard shit. That doesn't sound as good.

Try hard shit, that's such a good term, man. Yeah, that is good. Because sometimes we work on a clip or something. It's like after we kicked it, you can just tell like, man-Don't force it. Yes. We just try to shine this to or get it, do something, and then we mess it up. I was just going to...

It gets like, we never wanted to be in a box. We said that from the beginning. We wanted to be able to make whatever we wanted to make at any time. But as you grow a fan base in this community, they have expectations. Luckily, I feel like a lot of them have grown with us. They're still For some of those out there that still, Suicide Balls was better in 2015. We went to all this, blah, blah, blah. You were better when you were on drugs, whatever. But to his point, this is my favorite album. Same. I feel like I say that a lot, but Kyle always says, he's like, Dude, you all just get better and better and better. I don't understand it either. I'm 35 years old. I'm like, you know what I'm saying? I should be retiring soon. But I do think one thing that has helped, Suicide Boys sometimes can feel like a job because there's deadlines, there's got to get it done. There's expectations. I think one thing that has helped, like He stood the valve a little bit and let some of the pressure off, he's been doing Duckboy, which is going back to his roots and doing his band stuff and experimenting and being able to be free.

Same with me, I've been to experiment with some sound solo-wise. Then when we do that, I feel like we feel refreshed, we feel loose. Then when we come back to SB, you know what I'm saying?

We're actually excited.Yeah..

The pressure, I don't know. I don't know how to explain.

You can still feel like an individual, I think, because there's something that I'm sure once you're in a group, that part of the individuality, it's there, but it's partnered with something. To be able to develop yourself more and then bring it to anything is probably pretty cool. To still remind yourself that you can develop as an individual. Absolutely. I bet that's interesting. Is there collabs and stuff on this?

No, we never-Not really big on collabs.

You guys don't do a lot of it. I was just wondering, is it something you guys ever think about or do people reach out about it?

We were supposed to do something with SkiMask recently. But the thing is, dude, if you don't catch us when you catch us, you're going to be waiting another year because we move quick. If you pass it up, then, bro, we can't rewind and go back. We have a lot of shit on our own plates that we have to get done.

That is the hardest part about collabs.

It's how it happens.

It's getting it back in time. You know what I'm saying? Getting it done. I think it's best whenever we do joint projects like we did with Germ, Shakewell, when we all get in a room together and we're able to just pound it out for a week or two.

We just lock ourselves in the room for a week and knock it off.

I love listening to Shakewell, dude.

Shaq was a very talented fucker.

And he's so entertaining, bro. Yeah, bro. He was not watching that.

He was in that movie. You and him were in that movie, right? Yeah.

I was thinking about that yesterday.

We hung out together for probably two weeks every day.

That's a solid fucking dude right there, Shaq-well. He's awesome.

So nice. And just so I love how excited he gets when he gets some information. He's telling you something. He gets that look in his eye. Yeah, it's cool. He's just such a warm guy. Yeah, and very talented. So talented, man. I watch it. They have that video. I think it's with Pouya. It's all shot in one. Scrubs. Yeah. Gas station.

That was really shakewells, like coming out to the world right there. That was like his-Yeah, it's old.

It's old. Which I've been in Scrubs since day one. The best, there's a comment on it, too. It's like, imagine you just going in to pay for gas and you get stuck behind this.

That's funny.

But it was great, man.

They did-All you want is 20 on pump four and the dude's ahead of you making it, right? Yeah, that was so good. Pull that credit card out.

But yeah, man, when he gets those braids, he's got that Native American look in him a little bit because then he's part Mexican, isn't he? Half Mexican. Yeah.

Fucking wild, bro. He has that it factor to him. You know what I'm saying? You can have all the talent in the world, but you got to have that it factor.

With Shaq, you can tell it just comes naturally to him. Yes. Shaq had a background in the hardcore world, playing bass in that band Betrayal and shit, that metal rock hardcore shit. So he had experience in music and playing shows. We both met him when we went to LA for the very first time. We go to Fat nick and Cres's crib. Within, I don't know, a couple of hours, it's a party all of a sudden. And in LA, I think that just happens. There's no plans. Every day. So we must have met 30 fucking people that night. I don't remember a single one of them until I... Shakewell was one that was consistent, like consistently hanging around Pouya and stuff. And then we were like, Oh, you make music, too? When people tell you that and you have a little success with music, you don't really know where the boundary is. Are they going to want me to listen to it? Am I going to like it? But his shit was fire, and we kept our eye on him for a long time.

Did you guys ever tour in any of the same circles as guys like Mac Miller, Lil Peep, those guys?

That's so fucking weird that you bring that up. We were just talking about this yesterday. We did a festival once in Sweden called Bravala back in 2017, our first European run. That festival is not a festival anymore because too many were groping chicks like sexual assault style.

Yeah, watch it, dudes.

Yeah, watch it, guys. We actually had to cut the show short a couple of times to tell them, back up, stop trying to grab titties, whatever. Anyway, Mac Miller was at this festival, and that was the first time we met him and kicked with him a little bit. We also met Lincoln Park that day, too. Met Chester and Mike, and Chester committed suicide a month after that.

It was insane. That's Sway Lee, too. We met Sway Lee that night. That's Swayly, that's dope, huh? Yeah, he's a cool guy. He's a guy that- Bro, imagine Jimmy. Nobody fucks with us. I'm walking and I hear, Hey, Scram. That high pitch voice, I turn around Sway Lee. In that moment, I'm like, What the fuck is going on?

It's pretty surreal.

It was one of those moments meeting all them people where I'm like, Bro, what the fuck is going on?

Because we don't get the nod from a lot of industry artists or artists in the industry, rather.We're.

Always curious.But some of you, you enjoy that, probably, right? It's probably good. You're doing our own shit.

I I still work every day. Like, I'm broke. I'm in the studio every day. I got this chip on my shoulder that I can't get off. That's part of it.

What do you think that has to do with sobriety? A little bit.

I think so. You're right.

100%. Because I got like that, dude. I would wake up at 1:00 PM on a Wednesday. It was nothing. I didn't give a shit. Now I can't sleep late. If I'm not cleaning the house or doing something productive, I feel like a fucking piece of shit. I think sobriety is That's a big factor.

I think I fell in love with my work. I don't have a wife or nothing yet or anything, but I think my first love is my work. I remember back to relationships I was in, I would get home with my girl. We'd have gone and done something. Then next thing I know, I always remember, I'm on my computer, I'm doing something. She's waiting to watch a show together, watch a movie or make some popcorn. Then after a while, she's gone. I'm already just sitting there.

I've been in a relationship now, almost four years. To your At the point, she was like, she respects it. She knows how I am. She knows how I work. She respects it.

I could see how it would get frustrating from the female point of view.

She was like, Can you at least just start taking the weekends off and hanging out with me? I was like, Yeah, you got a point. I can do that.

Recently, I had to start cutting off work at six o'clock, seven o'clock for the West Coast. Because with this job, whatever you want to call it, there's no hours. It's not a nine to five. Things can pop up at 1:00 AM. Things could pop up any day of the week, and you don't know when or where it's coming from. I, for myself, had to set something up to where it's like, after 6:00, it can wait till the fucking morning unless it's an emergency. But I had to put that limit on myself.

Yeah, you don't realize. You just start to think, Oh, I just have to work. But it's not really true. It's your own choice.

Then you wonder, Why am I going fucking crazy? Oh, because I have too much shit on my plate. I'm trying to do too many things at once. Again, I would attribute that to sobriety.

But all you guys' stuff is very hands-on. It's like even all your merch, the way it looks, it's Yeah, it all just the fonts. It's all very specific to you guys's world.

Our merch available next week. You're seeing two exclusive pieces. Really?

I want those.

This is from the album.

I'll give you this one when I leave. I got a shirt in the car, too, if you want.

What size you wear?

Probably- Large or XL? High M to XL.

Okay.

It's a high M? Yeah. A medium, motherfucker?

This is a large. It's a big medium.

What the fuck is a big medium?

Like a Toledo medium.

I heard a medium. I never heard of a big medium.

A big medium.

I never heard of a big medium.

Let me get them big medium. Dude, I remember one time, bro, we used to make shirts before the Saints games, right? It was like we would get them print. Oh, my sister had made love to some dude or whatever, and that shit fell apart, and he left in the settlement or whatever. She got like 350 black T-shirts, right?

What?

What? Large ones. So let's just double XLs. You know what I'm saying? Fucking those brother- That's how I rock it. Tall shoes. Yeah, brother. That's how I rock it.

It's got a Fountain Blue debut, too.

Yeah, I still rock it like that.

Yeah, that Fountain Blue. It's like a Fountain Blue homecome and dress. You know what I'm saying? That's what it is. For men or women.

That's what she got in a settlement?

Yeah. That's pretty wild. She got 300 in the ambitious. She and I were living together off of Claver, and so we're like, damn, bro, we got to make some fucking money. And So we got some Saint certs printed up with the Saint shit on it. So it was illegal. We couldn't have it. Sure. Full leg. Oh, yeah. So we're walking before the Saint's games just with the ice chest and shit. I quit comedy for this for about maybe nine months, and we're walking and trying to sell them bitches. And some dude, angry dude, came up and tried to order a couple of big mediums.

Big mediums.

That's what he said? Yeah, we tried to help him, bro, but he wasn't willing to negotiate his perspective of a medium. Right.

Can I put an M in front of this L?

Yeah, he wanted to fuck it. Yeah, he was negotiating from a real unique end.

He wanted an X medium. What a guy.

I'd like to meet him.

My girlfriend walk around. I know she was so embarrassed. Not embarrassed. She was supportive, but she was like, This dude has got to get a fucking job.

Sound like my dad, bro, when we were early on. Yeah? He's like, You're running up my fucking AC bill. You're running up. Oh, yeah, dude. When this shit's going to work, you need to go get a fucking About music, you mean? Yeah, this is early on.

Because we were in the studio all the time.

The studio we had was a little... You know them sheds you can buy at Home Depot? Set up, it was that.

Especially this is back in 2002.

The grand with the plywood in one of the styles?

This was like, what's the fake plywood paneling or whatever?

Yeah, something like that.

A plastic looking wood.

My mom did hair in there, and then she quit doing it. We turned it into a studio. I was living there on the couch. We were working in there. He'd come up three, four days out the week and sleep over there.

Everything before I want to die was made in there.

Everything. Even somewhere I wanted to die was. Some of it, yeah. Yeah, some of it was made in there.

Fucking King Tulip.

That place is legendary, but yeah, he was bitching at me, bro. He's like, Bro, you got to go get some fucking money, dude, because you're running my shit up. You got people eating my fucking pantry out and shit.

Oh, yeah, bro. Mom would always say that.

Well, you know how it's coming from here, bro? They think of Hollywood. They're like, Man, this fucking pilot. Go to the shipyard, bro. Get a job.

Go to the shipyard, yeah. Go Bro, my mom used to always tell us to get a paper ride or whatever. I'm like, Everybody goes missing in this neighborhood. But yeah, I'm trying to think of the jobs we would get, man.

I was just work in my dad's restaurant.

Oh, Snowball Stand, bro. How many families in New Orleans have fallen apart over joint-owned Snowball Stand?

I don't know, bro. Someone should look into that.

People down here take them things fucking seriously, bro. Depending on the style of shaved ice it is, the quality of the syrup, people take that shit mad serious down here.

We get this Syrup fresh from Italy, people saying all bullshit or whatever.

You'll have somebody out of state be like, Oh, a snow cone. People are like, Uh-uh. It's a snowball. They get very defensive.

It's a snowball, bruh. Yeah, bro. It's a snowball. Thomas McAluso used to go to Jesu. You ever remember him? Sounds so familiar. He used to make fake IDs, and he was always selling those.

Mcaluso is a big new one's name, I think.

Yeah. His brother's a cop. Fucking T-Mac. He's the best, bro. Damn, I just He had a snowball stand, then he opened up an Italian restaurant, bro. That's the Holy Trinity, bro.

Snowball stand, there you go. Snowball stand, an Italian restaurant. That also does Po' Boys. Oh, for sure, bro.

You can get a snow cone It's good. They'll do it on French bread if you want, bro. They'll do like that.

They do a pickle juice in the Snowballs. That's a flavor. Is it? Yeah, it's a West bank thing.

They'll do pickle juice.

People do everything, dude. Bag of shrimp on the side of the road, strawberries.

I can't tell you how many Crawfish I see it just scattered.

I thought we were going to do this.Chicken bones.Do this shit in the woods. I know you talked about it.

I thought about it. It's too hot. It's too hot, bro. We got the street car going by.

This is a-Oh, yeah, this is good.

We were in here last night for a couple hours. These guys were in here.

The vibes are right.

We wanted to make it nice for you guys, man. So this tour, where will you guys go? I know you guys would go abroad and stuff like that, but are there new places you add? Are there hot pockets? You said Russia was one of the places that-One of the That's one of the first places we ever went.

That's crazy.

2018, 2015, '16.

From fucking Laplace to Russia, bro.

Pretty much.

We brought my dad with us because-He was our DJ.

He was our DJ, bro.

Not only that, but we didn't want to go to Russia dolo because we were worried about customs. We had really had no experience traveling.

If you all show up in Russia, immediately I would put you all, dude. Oh, did it? Two of you all make one Brittany Grinder. It was sketch, bro.

I remember-It was sketch.

Two things. One, My dad ended up being the DJ. It was funny because we had Scott's MacBook. Didn't we do this all for a thousand bucks, too? The Russian shit? It was cheap.

I think it was like five, maybe. How did you even find out they were your fans?

Somebody hit us up asking if we... He emailed us. He was a promoter in Russia asking if we wanted to come over there and play a few shows because we had a fan base out there. We said, Yeah, sure. Back then, the experience was cool enough. We didn't care about the money. That was just a bonus. We went Russia, did Minsky, Belarus, St. Petersburg, and Moscow. My dad's up there behind us. First of all, hottest shows ever. My dad's on the MacBook, and we taught him, This means press the space bar to stop the song. If we do this, that means slowly turn it down. He was so nervous. It's funny. He's sitting there with his glasses. He was so nervous.

Was he in his 50s?

He's in his 50s now.

He's in his 50s back then.

That'll age you 10 years. I could tell he was nervous as I felt bad.

Where was it where they rushed the stage?

That was...

Bro, Misk?

So we're in Misk. If they rushed the stage, hit the space bar.

Last song, they just... Literally, the whole crowd runs up on the stage. I look back, I see Uncle Pablo. I see his dad just sitting there, surrounded by people. He's flipping the fuck out.

He's like, Turn it down or space bar? It looked like he was floating.

They were carrying him.

That was the youngest show we've ever played. All those kids were 12, 13.

It was a day. It was wild.

Mince was interesting.

I never even heard of Mince.

It's just right outside Russia.

Just the fact that you're even saying that, to think that you could make something, right? That you could make something on the fucking West Bank that you could make something in a parish, just in a small town, Louisiana. And then there's people in Minsky, Russia. It's crazy.

It trips me out.

It honestly is crazy.

It really does.

It's unreal, man.

Yeah. And this year, we went We went back to Australia and New Zealand. Been like, Oh, is that it? Holy shit, bro.

That's Russia. That's in Mincek.

Holy shit.

1305, '16. Why they have 13 months there? Yeah.

Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah. What the... Oh, no, they put their days before the month.

I remember after this show, this is what, Minsky?

Look at him. Look at them. Look at them by the DJ. Dad in the back? Yeah.

That's my dad fucking DJing.

Focused.

Damn, focused. Focused.

Dj Uncle P.

He's like, down space park.

He was a nervous wreck.

Bro, he ain't moving. Look at him. He ain't moving, bro. He got funny.

He looked like a statue.

It's like when you're driving with two foot on each pedal. Yeah. Dude, that is so funny. Bro, that's- Look at his.

Oh, what a- Shout out, Uncle P.

I think I fell off stage. No, that was Moscow. I fell off stage in this Russian, this big Russian bodyguard, bald dude, fucking dead eyes. Just the smoothest thing. My leg falls off. I fall off stage, and he just threw me back on stage. I was like, whoa.

That was crazy. It's wild over there. They don't have children playing with dolls that are made out of stone and shit. Those kids are tough.

They're tough kids. It's a tough country. It's a harsh country.

I respect Russians, bro. Those people, they get shit done, bro.

They're nuts. They drink vodka and eat... What's that shit?

Pussy.

Borsch.

Borsch? Borsch. Borsch? Caviar.

Some of the best sushis in Moscow.

Really?

I wouldn't say go out there. I wouldn't.

Yeah, I ain't going all the way. I might go to Meteri to get some.

I might go All the way.

Yeah, go to Mickey Board or something.

What was the place you all would go eat at and stuff? When your family would go out to eat when you were kids, was there a spot your family would go that was a nice place?

No. Pizza Hut.

Pizza Hut when you could sit down? Yeah.

You remember that? When it was like, it had that aura to it. You know what I'm saying? It had that esthetic.

Not anymore. I don't think we really ever went out as a family when I was younger.

Yeah, we didn't either. Our biggest-That one.

Yeah. Yeah, that was so nice. Now it's like a trap house for Ragu, dude.

Until this, I didn't see past Biloxi. Biloxi was like- Maybe Pensacola.

When I was growing up, bro, if somebody went to Florida, bro, Oh, yeah. You thought they was the fucking richest guy in the world.

That's like the Yat.

We're going to Pensacola.

You'd see somebody had a T-shirt said Florida on. You'd be like, This motherfucker. Look at this fucking Republican.

There's like a connection.

Yeah. That's what you would think. 100%, bro.

Look at this fucking Republican over here in Florida.

There's a lot of Louisiana people in Florida. It must be the Gulf Coast. I don't know. It's just so close, but there's so many-I won't say where, but we're on the panhandle.

It's a lot of Louisiana trans plans.

Louisiana was some of the first people outside of Florida to realize what a great spot Destin was, too. Some brave people. I don't even know who it was.

That place was barren in the '80s. No police, no roads, no nothing. People lived out there. Let's say they bought a house back then for 30K. I mean, they're selling for like 10 million now. It's nuts. That's crazy. That place is hot right now.

We could have bought one, bro. Who? Anybody. I know. We should have.

I know.

We should have.

It's stupid. It's funny because you said about the Florida thing. I think it was like if your family from Louisiana goes to Florida for summer vacation, if you went to Pensacola, you guys were well off. But if you went to Destin, oh, shit.

You were damn royalty, bro.

I didn't know people that went to Destin.

Yeah. Your stepdad must have owned a subway or something. We had a girl in Coventea, stepdad on the subway, and they'd always go to Destin.

Stepped on that, owned a KMB or whatever.

Those motherfuckers. I got a blow I got from Jared from Subway's sister one time in the corner. Shut the fuck up.

Was it five? Was it five?

Were you eight?

No, I would say I was probably about five.

No, because he's a pedo. He's a pedo.

I don't know who ran in the family. I had a pretty small wiener at the time, but I was young. I had that four-inch round on me. They discontinued it.

Remember that bread?

Remember that bread? They used to have that four-inch round, but they got rid of that.

Somebody's always trying new things and getting rid of them.

Oh, yeah.

Was that before the controversy with her brother?

That was, let me see, 2002?

2002? That was way before the controversy.

2002 to 2006, somewhere in there.

That's right when Jared first started being Jared.

Was it fire?

I don't know. I wouldn't say all that. I don't know much of it. It was in the quarters late. It was indoors.

It was just something to do.

Yeah, well, it Yeah, it was just-Was it toasted? It was a crazy-No. It was toasted.

Did you get a drink of chips with it?

That would have been crazy, bro. I got a drink of chips with it.

Some Ms. Vicky's? Yeah. That's the subway hack. You got to buy a bag of salt and vinegar Ms. Vickies, and put it on the sandwich. That's the hack. I never done that. Get a little crunch in there.

Trying to think if I got a good hack. I got nothing, man.

I got nothing. I can't believe you I got blown by Jared's sister.

That's insane. I cannot wait. Sorry to tell you all that, too. I just did. No, it's awesome. That's crazy, dude. I forget about it, and then I'm in New Orleans. Tell me more. Tell me more. I had to say it. Oh, dude, one time I went and saw, Fly like paper, get high I like. Oh, M-I-A? Yeah, I went and saw her at-She blew you, too? No. No, it would have probably been neat. But I saw the guy from Step Brothers there at the concert. John C.

Reilly?

Yeah. No.

It was like 4:00 AM. She finally went on.

That's crazy.

Here? Yeah.

House of Blues or something shoot?

It was over on a warehouse district. No, in Frenchman.

Okay.

Trying to think of another good show. Oh, the first show I ever went to was at Rindin'n. I don't know if you guys remember. It was an old restaurant they used to have. Marilyn Manson played. Damn.

Was it the '90s? Yeah. Late '90s?

Yeah. We went to there, dude, and it was crazy.

The craziest New Orleans venue was, I think it was called the Warehouse. Yeah. All the dads love talking about The Warehouse. They saw the Beatles and David Bowie and all this crazy shit, but that place closed down. Never heard of it. Oh, yeah.

My friend did a documentary on it. It was too much told for us. Oh, really? Yeah. I think, what's his name? Played the Riders on the Stone. Jim Morse. I think he played his last show there, they said.

Wow, that's pretty crazy.

My friend Jesse Williamson did a documentary called The Warehouse.

They had a lot of artists go through there. That was the spot back in the day.

Where was that?

Was it in New Orleans? It was a little outside, by River Road, where Uptown becomes Jefferson.

Oh, That's where I think it was.

Is that right?

I think so. It might have been more into the Uptown area.

How's that? Nick treating you.

It's pretty good.

You like the flavor? They're hit and miss, bro.

They're hit and miss. Sometimes you don't know vapes if you buy them, if they getting them, if they remaking them, bitches in the back.. That's why. Some of them will smell like a dude. You'll be like, it's just like the guy's breath at the counter. You're like, this motherfucker has made it.

Australia was tough with the vapes. Oh, yeah. The first time we went, No. Five years ago when we went, they only had 1% nicotine. That was a bitch.

Really?

Yeah. Then this last time-I knew that five. All the ones that we bought were all these crazy flavors, and we're coughing up all this shit. I'm like, Bro, these vapes are not okay.

That's why I like these. They're reliable.

This is super light. I don't actually feel out of commission or nothing. It's too heavy. The early Esco bars, bro, was too much. I was doing those on road. You're likely to get sick, bro. Oh, I was falling apart. I couldn't sleep, bro. I couldn't look at my mother. This shit's bad. Yeah, I was on Chapa Toulous. This is a warehouse on Chapa Toulas, so that's where it was. But yeah, that's my buddy Jesse made this document. It's so crazy. You said that place. Where did you guys go watch some type of music? Was there someplace, a venue that you guys went to when you were young? What was your first show you went to?

You did that way more than I did.

I mean, the first show I ever went to was when I was nine, my parents bought me in-sync tickets. That was when I was a kid.

You've changed.

I've changed. As far as like- My first one was Brittany Spears.

Really?

Oh my God. Look at that. I think she's a Louisiana local.

I'm going to say My daughter, but then you all changed.

My parents thought they snapped by getting me tickets to Brittany. Me and my dad went. It was weird.

You and senior went to Brittany Spears?

Yeah, brother.

If you knew his dad, you'd be like, what the fuck?

I was like, eight years old.

They thought they snapped. They hated every second of that.

Yeah, they thought they snapped. And they did snap.

I did go to shows when I was a teenager being in bands and stuff. I lived in Fat City, so they had Cyprus Hall right down the street from the police station on Hesmer. They had the Lion's Home. They to do shows at by the Burger King on the Vision and Metterie. They had a few... New Orleans was good with the all-ages stuff. They had places for teenagers to go. Me and my friends' bands would put on shows and play, and 100 kids would show up just to have something to do. Then they started after Katrina, a lot of those places closed down, and then it became mostly bars and house of blues. But there was a lot of... I was very involved in the music scene when I was younger down here.

When the Hot Boys were running around, there was so much going on, bro. New This one has always been a fun place, dude. Oh, yeah.

I was more on the North Shore around that time.

That's when me and you didn't really speak. Yeah. It was all high school. I mean, he and I, we didn't hate each other. We were just growing up separately at that point.

They had a band for North Shore, 8 Candles or something? No.

They had one that got really big. 12 Stones?

12 Stones, yeah. That's it.

The dude used to babysit Kyle or some shit, the singer or whatever. Something like that, right? You grew up next door to that guy from 12 Stones, the singer?

Yeah, nice guy. I went to high school. What's his name? Paul McCoy. Paul McCoy. Let's look him up.

Bro, I heard a story about that guy. He's on that song, the Evanescence song, the Wake Me Up, that song. I heard that they offered him a piece of the song, royalties, or just flat out 10 grand, and he took the 10 grand.

Wow.

60 grand? Still, that song's made way more than 60 grand.

But he bought a Lexus, bro.

He bought a Lexus.

That's the thing, bro.

He bought a PT Cruiser.

Do my boy Gabe Hall. See if you can look up Gabe Hall Cemetery on YouTube. It's Gabe Hall Cemetery Rapper.

He's still rapping now or is this some old stuff?

It's some old shit, bro. Cemetery Rapper.

You're going to have to go deep for this.

Did you ever chill in the cemeteries? Being from Louisiana? No. Is that more like a New Orleans thing?

I think it is, bro. I know.

Sometimes on Halloween, people would go do stuff over there. In our town, people would dig one up every now and then. Yeah, really? Yeah, this is him right here, bro. My boy Curly Q. He used to make these videos, bro. Oh, let's go. This is the real shit. You love this.

Wow. This is my doll right here.

This is the shit that makes me want to fucking lay on my back with no shirt on, bro.

Oh, let's go.

With the Misfit shirt.

Wow.

You just sat on that mazaline like nobody's business.

He's sitting on somebody chest. Yeah, dude.

I want his confidence. You know what I'm saying? It's inspiring.

The arm movements.

Fucking right.

You're coming bored with the fucking dog.

He going crazy. What the fuck?

Where is this? Do you know?

He all on people's graves, bro. He going crazy. That's Norse, man.

That's Norse Louisiana, bro.

How do you know this, dude?

Why are Louisiana people so not self-aware?

That dog got me for that.

That's what I'm saying. I wish I had this confidence.

Oh, me too, bro. Look how he did. Pull up the second when he got another one. He was on a front porch. It should be right next to him.

Look at him dab, bro.

This is hard. Yeah, he fucking goes hard with it. Right there next to a gay ball. How you know dude? Grew up with him, man. Dude, he was a shit.

So you knew this, dude? Yeah, he had a trap house. Fucking right. Let's go, bro. Every white person I know in Louisiana smoke cigarettes.

A hundred %, bro. They'll smoke them through their nose, bro. If their mouth is missing- This is part of the culture, bro. They don't give a fuck, bro. If your mouth missing, people will fucking smoke them through their nose, bro. But, dude, the best is his girlfriend's filming this, and she keeps stepping on briers in the grass. I got some yelling at him. No, stepping on what? Like little briers that are in the grass, little sticks. Anyway, a shout out to my boy gay, man. That shit was-Shout out Curl, too. I never thought about that, but it's crazy to see the things that people do to put their creativity out there. I love it. Everybody's got something, man.

That's some Louisiana shit, bro. You're not going to see that in any other state.

That's some Louisiana shit.

Yeah. He's the best, man. Yeah, it's a different swag right there, bro.

Yeah, Gabe's a G. Was there anything else in the news we wanted to look at? I can't remember if anything else happened.

Have you ever seen the video of them testing the babes in China?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, but them China men, bro, they got a different type of lungs, bro.

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

Dna. Yeah.

Good thing I still smoke.

Somebody got to do it.

I'm glad I still smoke Julpods. Fuck.

That's a LFAR factor. I'll be honored to share their fucking DNA, brother. I don't care.

They're hard working, bro. Yeah. They're hitting them a little Too hard, though.

That dude.

That guy is home for it.

This little dude breastfeeding, bro. Bro. He like a damn Hummingbird.

Why is he exposed on it? This is something bad. Because he can't be doing that shit, bro.

What are you What are you talking about, man? This is fucking breastfeeding in Laplace, homie. Yeah, bro. Suicide boys, man. I'm so excited, bro. I'm so excited just to see. I think you guys are just such a place of inspiration for people. Even just talking with you guys today to see you create your own world and that it doesn't have to be something that mainstream accepts or even sometimes even sees, whether they do see it or not, but they don't claim to. It's the same thing with podcasting. They I don't really have a reference podcast, but that's because they're not involved in it. It's not their shit, and that's okay. But you guys just have such a loyal fan base. What are your fans like, do you think, man? Because that's one of the things that's so intriguing about you guys to me is you all's fans are... It's just different, man.

We've developed relationships with some of our biggest ones and actually brought them in the fold to help us out with certain stuff. I mean, dude, When they tell you, when they're like, Dude, you saved my life. You did this, you did that. It's hard to hear. A hundred %, bro. It's hard to process. Yeah, it wasn't my intention. But at the same time, and this might be more on a spiritual recovery tip, ever since getting sober, I feel like I have this responsibility to let these people know that have seen us at our worst know that... Because I never thought there was a way out. I really didn't. I was like, I'm fucked. This is it. This is just what it is. But to let them know that there is a way out. And if If, yeah, there's hope. Don't ever give up. If me and him can do it, bro, we can get drugs delivered on speed dial in the mailbox, bro. If me and him can do it, there's hope for them, too. When we could, after every show, we would take Tom out and meet with all the fans afterwards. We never like charging them for meet and greets and stuff like that.

Like, Oh, someone got more money than this person, so they get to meet us. We didn't really like that. But now, unfortunately, It's gotten too big to where we can't do that.

It's hard sometimes. It's true. The venues won't let you stay. Those are things that happen. We try to meet in the lobby after shows.

How do you look at it?

We've been doing this for a long time, and when we're on tour, bro, it's not like... It's hard. It's work, dude. It's hard. You got to be on point every night. Any little thing you can do, if you smoke a blunt afterwards, it could fuck up your throat. There's a lot of stuff that you got to keep in mind. Sometimes, dude, not every show is good and not every day on tour is fun. There's times where we might be going through it and we have to take some time for ourselves. Sorry, I know it sucks that we can't meet you this particular night, but I need to decompress a little bit.

You got to make sure the show is good for the next Next night. I mean, that's the most important thing. It's true. Touring is hard. It's hectic. Oh, yeah. People don't realize you want to be as good as you can be for the show you just did.

But no, we love and care about them.

Even if some of them are still used and there's no-No, but not at all.

Because you know why? We get it. I get it, bro. I get it, though.

A lot of people can party and they can do it well.

I tell them that whenever I talk to everybody at the end of the night, I feel like it's important to say that. You know what I'm saying? If none of this applies to you, keep doing what you're doing.

Fuck, if you can have a good time and doing-Right.

My hat's off to you, bro.

Yeah, you win.

Yeah, you got it, though. You got it. But I don't know. That speech that started at the end, real quick. That started for me. We just got back to doing shows. We were at Lollapalooza right after COVID. I was feeling self-pity and feeling bad for myself and all this. I was given this sappy, poor-pity me at the end of the show that we did at Lollapalooza, but it just somehow it turned into something else. It was a rational speech. Yeah, into what it is.

Dude, one of the guys that works for us, he helps us run our social media accounts, and he works with us on tour doing merch. We met this kid as a fan. It's our boy, 6. We met him as a fan because he created the @g59records Twitter. This was so early that Scott and I hadn't even gotten around to making our own fucking Twitter.

We had fans.

We had a few thousand fans, whatever. But he was super in tuned with underground music, and he He knew about us and loved us. We messaged him being like, Yo, can we have that account? It's our name. He's like, Yeah, I was just making it so nobody else would. You can have it. We're like, Okay, cool. Then a few months later, we're actually going to do a little Texas tour doing Houston, Dallas, a few shows. And he's there? And he's in Dallas. And we're like, Dude, come meet up with us, whatever. He also could get us drugs. He got us some Percasets, some Xanax, some weed, whatever. We met him and we realized we like this kid. We're like, You know what? You took the initiative. It's yours. And that's how he became the guy who runs our social media is through that. And that was back in 2014, 2015. To answer your question, that was a fan who is now part of our team. I lived with him for two years. He's like a family member.

Oh, damn.

Yeah, man. Well, that's how I met nick, one of our early producers. He emailed and just said, Hey, man, I like the podcast, and I think I can help. There's this kid named Aiden. He showed up at a show in Buffalo and shook my hand in the parking lot. He's like, Hey, I can be your photographer tonight. I was like, All right, we have a photographer. Come on in, bro. Fast forward, the show starts. I'm out there an hour later. I see this dude just walking up by the side of the stage, bro, with his cell phone. Let's go. What the fuck, dude? The whole time, bro, he got fucking just... He's laying on his back and shit on the floor. Just unbelievable, dude.

I respect the initiative.

He finessed me so much, man. But fast forward, two years later, he's at the show with his family. He's got cameras now, and he's a real photographer. No shit. Hell, yeah. It's just like- Hey, at least he was fucking grinding with what he had. A hundred %, Brian. He just caught you at the right time. I was walking in, coming up the little tour bus, and it was just like, Hey, what's up, man? I can be your photographer, and you respect. Sometimes things got to catch you in the right moment. But somebody that can see your Twitter and see that you have a capability before you can even see it sometimes.

That's actually crazy, man. That's actually crazy, man. The equipment It's like, the segment doesn't give you drive or talent.

Dude, all of our videos were iPhone.

Shot with an iPhone, and I just edited it on Final Cut. He was using Garage band to make the beats.

A free program that comes with Mac.

I downloaded Photoshop. I illegally pirated Photoshop and cracked it. The only languages available for Photoshop were Spanish and Hebrew. I chose Spanish because I took Spanish in high school. I learned Photoshop all in Spanish, just figuring it the fuck out. I didn't shell out all this money. I learned it myself because if you have the drive, you have the talent, the equipment does not matter.

We got gold and platinum records that were done on that free platform that comes when you buy a Mac. That's the whole reason I bought it was because it was free.

It's one of our biggest songs are royalty-free samples. Yeah. That anybody has access to.

Yeah.

It really is, man. It's inspiring, dude. I feel so lucky to have gotten to do this today, man.

I really do. Same, dude. I'm glad that we met. I remember when you showed up at the... I hope I'm not... At the 12-step meeting.

Yeah, you're pretty open. At the 12-step meeting, no. Oh, yeah, it was cool, man.

When you showed up, I know how that is. You're stoked. I didn't want to go up to you. You know what I'm saying? Because I know what it's like to be in the meeting and just sacred.

I saw him, I was like, This guy's not doing well. We're lucky to have this deal with us. That's what I remember thinking.

We didn't talk that night. Then when I left, I sent him a message on Instagram.

He called me. He's like, Bro, you know he was in my fucking meeting? He was stoked. I was stoked, too, that he met you.

Yeah, that's cool, man.

I think I met Cheta first.

Did you?

Yeah. I think I did. I don't remember how, but he's just been such a great guy to get to know, man. And yeah, dude, it's inspiring, man. I'm glad you keep people alive. I know you have guys that you support in those rooms.

It ain't me, bro. I wish I could take the credit. You know what I'm saying.

Yeah, I'm glad we got a higher power that's trying to help, that's helping us help ourselves. From flooring to ceiling, bro. From flooring to who knows what heights, man. Thank you guys so much. Just for the inspiration, man. I think to so many young artists and people that if you're sitting somewhere thinking, Can I do this? Or How do I do this? It's unreal.

Just do it.

Yeah, it's unreal. That's literally it. Just fucking do it. That's the advice I always give is, what did you do to get here? Persistence. Whatever. Persistence, consistency. It's just fucking drive, dude. Just taking that first step is the biggest step. Because you know what? You may think you want to be a fucking rapper or whatever, but you might actually go to do it and realize, I don't want to do this. This sucks. You're not going to know unless you take that first step.

Then I'll lead you to the next thing. Exactly. You might miss the next thing because you don't go to the first thing. Exactly.

It's all timing. It's all a chess game. Just don't overthink it. Just do the damn thing and everything will start to fall in place at some point if it's supposed to.

The new album?

New World Depression, June 14th, Baby.

Drag them to the river.

I'm excited.

Put your body in, check out.

Fuck, yeah.

What was that song?

I can't...

Put your rope around the neck. He's a badass boy.

Oh, you know what I'm Wow, man.

Unlv.

Unlv. I couldn't think of it.

Where were they from?

They're from Uptown, I think.

Where are they from here?

Yeah, they're from New Orleans, for sure.

We sampled them on the album. It was Uptown, Living Violently. You all did? Yeah, I can't wait. You're going to love it.

Dude, that's exciting, man. Ruby Scrim, thank you guys so much, man. Best of luck on tour. And shout out Tyrell Shaw, for this beautiful art, man, for letting us sit in the back here. That might be Louis Armstrong, man. I don't know.

It's a saxophone, so it might not be, but it's a jazz.

Either way. He's got a studio right over here on, I think this is Chile Patula. Carondalet? On Carondalain, yeah. So here we are. Suicide Boys. Thanks.

Oh, yeah. Gang.

Now, I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be cornerstone.

Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found.

I can feel it in my bones, but it's going to take.