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Today's guest is Donald Trump. Shine on me and I will follow.

But your thing is going really great. My son's a big fan of yours. Baron?

Really? Baron is? Yeah, he just graduated high school, right?

That's right. He just did. He knows you very well. He said, dad, he's big.

Wow.

Big one.

That's cool.

Well, that's where it is nowadays, right?

Yeah. Well, it's interesting, you know? Yeah, I can't believe that we're able to get platforms. I started in my kitchen and then. Yeah, just evolved out of there.

That's fantastic.

I mean, it's pretty unbelievable. What, um, does Baron, do you want to start?

You go ahead.

Yeah, we're good. Are we rolling?

Yeah, sure.

We're good yet? Um, yeah. Does Baron play sports or anything?

He does. He plays golf and different sports. Soccer. Loves soccer. Very good at soccer. Uh, he's a good athlete, Baron.

Yeah. Is he going to go? Has he already picked a college or.

No, he has, and he's getting set to go in the fall. Good college. A very good one. And he was always a very good student. He's smart, smart guy.

Which one of. Yeah, like, which one of your kids. Like, yeah. What's something you admire about each one of your sons?

Well, Don is a hunter. He's a great, great hunter and knows everything about that world and guns and all he was the first one that said, dad, boyden, you got lucky, because I didn't realize that 130 yards is actually very close in that parlance. And he said, you got lucky. He knew immediately when he saw that, he said, it's incredible because that's considered.

A pretty close distance from how far the shooter was. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

The guy wasn't a bad shooter, supposedly. You know, he was a very disturbed guy, but he wasn't a bad shooter. And Eric, likewise, he loves the business. He loves real estate, also. Very much of a hunter and understands a lot of things about that. They were sort of as young guys, they were with their grandfather, and he would take them hunting in Czechoslovakia, and somehow they developed very well.

Czechoslovakia.

Can you imagine?

A lot of letters even.

That's a long time. That's the name. You don't hear too much anymore. But it was, I'd need a scope.

Just to get through the spelling of that word.

A lot of people, but. So he'd go. They'd spend time in Europe, and they'd do that. That's where he learned a lot about both of them. Really good.

With your dad.

They would go, no grandfather. Actually, they had a grandfather who was a wonderful outdoorsman and athlete, and during the summer, he'd take them out into the woods, and they'd go hunting and lots of things. And they loved it. They got to love it. And that's Don and that's Eriche.

Yeah, they're funny.

Oh, yeah.

They have a good sense of humor, too. Like, whenever I see them at UFC, it's like, yeah, I just, like, the first time I was nervous, I think. And then after that, when I've seen them, it's like, it's fun to kind of cut up with a little bit, and.

Well, they're good. They're good guys, and they, they really get along great with the rest of the family. We all get along great. We have a good family, and. But I love you. I see we, you talk about a great guy. How about Dana White? Good job. He does, right?

Yeah, I know. Yeah. I want to thank Dana, too, for helping get us set up together. Yeah. I like Danny. He's, he doesn't waste words. He doesn't waste time. He likes to, I think, be efficient, and he likes, he has seems like a strong sense of integrity for himself.

Nobody like him, actually. It's, you know, there's an expression that everybody is replaceable. Not Dana. Nobody could do what he does. And he's made that sport into a big monster sport, and it's interesting. And we go there and we enjoy it. Go with him. Sometimes we do walk ons with a Dana and place sort of likes it.

Oh, yeah, I've been there.

Yeah.

But I was in behind you in one. One video. I'm sure the dogs here will pull it up, but, yeah, those are some of my favorite. Those are some of my favorite things ever. It became, UFC became my favorite sport during the pandemic because Dana was brave enough to stay open. You know, he was it.

He was the whole ballgame. He was the only sport, and he opened up in arenas with nothing other than very good fighters.

Yeah.

And they would be fighting. He had some of the best fights during the pandemic.

Yeah. But he was exceptional. There it is, right there. See, look, there you are. And I'm right behind you there, slapping with that hat on. The white guy in the hat.

That's great. That's right. The white guy in the hat is right. That's great.

Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of us there, but I was one of them for sure. Yeah, see, that's me. Right?

Good sport, isn't it, huh?

Yeah. I'm a Dustin Poirier fan, so he's great.

He was. Boy, I tell you, he's a warrior. That last fight he had, whether you like it or not, he is a warrior.

Yeah. Yeah. It felt like he didn't get the. He didn't get the victory, but it didn't feel like he lost.

No, he didn't lose that fight. He really. The man he was fighting was tough. He was tough and didn't expect that same fight. But he oftentimes will. He makes people suffer. There's no question about. No, he's all. He's all. He's a pro, he's a professional.

He's all heart. He's from Louisiana. That's why I'm.

As that fight went along, he just got stronger and stronger and he was getting pounded, and he was going to be choked out about four different times, and he just wouldn't let it happen. No. You say hello to him. He's good.

Yeah, I'll make sure to.

He's a really great fighter and he.

Cooks Thanksgiving dinner every year.

Oh, wow. Maybe I'll have to go sometime.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, he must do good food.

He does, yeah, he does some good stuff over there. Yeah. What was the first. Do you remember, like, the first fight that you ever went to, whether it was. It was UFC or boxing or anything?

Yeah, I do. It was Joe Fraziere, Muhammad Ali, in Madison Square Garden many, many years ago. And I think it was the first fight I went to. I always liked the boxing.

How old were you? Remember?

Oh, boy. I don't know. You can deduct it from what I am now, but it was a long time ago. But they were two undefeated fighters. They were both undefeated. Mohammed became a friend of mine. So did Joe Jolton. Joe, he was. They were two great fighters. That fight was incredible. I think they had, like, many heart attacks that night. Literally heart attacks in Madison Square Garden. I think it was Madison Square Garden. And the fight was so unbelievable. Two undefeated heavyweight champions of the world. There was no UFC, and there was no competition really. It was it. And so you had two guys. Remember that? Mohammed wasn't allowed to fight because of lots of different things. He was a terrific guy. Both terrific guys. Very.

Made it happen. They finally made it happen. They made it happen.

They had two undefeated heavyweight champions fighting.

And who took you to the fight? You remember?

I went with my father and my brother Robert, and it was just. I don't know. I must have been very young. It was a long time ago, but you would never forget it. That was one of those moments. But literally, there were, like, many heart attacks in the arena.

If people having too much fun or what do you think is drugs?

Heart attacks. Because it was such a crazy event. It was so the people were just, I know a friend of mine, the father, he went. He had a bad heart attack. Literally. They took him out. They were taking people out early, and I don't hear that anymore. I mean, there were other exciting sporting. But I don't think there's ever been. I don't know. I guess that has. But you would think Joe Frazier, Muhammad Ali, their first fight. But it was a very exciting time.

And just people being, I guess, yeah, sometimes our systems aren't ready to handle the amount of excitement that's going on, you know? Like, I think, like, yeah, maybe people just couldn't even handle so much joy. You think, like, you think it was that people were just so excited.

They had heart attacks. I mean, they just had. I guess they do it. Maybe super bowls or something.

Oh, people have heart attacks. Eating a thick soup, you know, so it's like, I'm not surprised that something so awesome like, that would make your heart be like, yeah, I'm out of.

Yeah, but I never hear of it, you know, I'm sure it happens. Just that one. But we had an exciting event the other night with Elon, Elon Musk and me.

I listened.

We had a pretty big audience for that one, I can tell you.

Yeah, I listened for probably about, like 20 minutes. I thought it was cool. It was. I think the tough part was just like the all just like, it would have been neat if you guys could have been in the same spot, you know?

But I heard the audio was great. And actually they put out a clear tape of it because they had clear tape.

Oh, nice.

They had so many millions and millions of people watching, like, record numbers of people. And I'm trying to figure out, we're on a cell phone, or I was, and, you know, that's a lot of people coming into a cell phone one way or the other. But I heard some people had a problem with the audio. I don't know. I don't do that thing, you know, that was done. And we had a great conversation. It was for 2 hours and 15 minutes. They just put out a clear tape of it, a perfect tape of it. But I sounded. I think I sounded. Somebody said your voice was distorted or something. And, you know, I guess it happens. Look, it was such a big thing, such a big audio. But I would have. I would have loved to have seen the clear tape originally. They put it out right after the show. So now it's a clear tape where a perfect tape done there, but when it goes through different phone systems and everything else, you think if we were together, that doesn't happen then, because I think his voice was more clear.

Yeah. Maybe because he was the one who was, like, initiating the call. I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure about how all that works, but, yeah, I know that in post, a lot of times they can tighten things up and make it better. You know, I, um. Yeah, it's amazing how Elon, like, the cost to have really have your own voice in the world is $44 billion, basically. Well, if you want to have your voice, like, you know, I'm saying he has his own, like, he has his own channel and he does what he.

Wants to do, and he's a fantastic guy, and he's a brilliant person, and the country should be very proud of him, actually, I have truth, which has been very successful. Truth social, you mean truth social? Yeah. And that's been very successful in getting my voice out. I needed a voice because, you know, I was on Twitter and I was on Instagram, I was on all of it, and I was on Facebook. And when you added it up, I had, I was told by Zuckerberg and others it was like, record setting type of numbers. And then one day I didn't have anything because they canceled. I mean, they canceled.

There's such a collusion there, right.

It was, it was a pretty bad thing. And so I had nothing. So after about a month, you know, I have a lot of things to say. And after about a month, I said, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to just go out and put out an old public relations statement. You, you remember that? And although you're a little young to see it, but in the old days, you'd put out a statement, and I did. And it was just gobbled up. It was really gobbled up. And I opened truth. And truth has become terrific, actually, for me. I really want just as a platform, I mean, it's more important than anything else.

And, well, you have your voice. Then you can say my voice back.

Yeah, I had hundreds of millions of people. Even now I haven't been too active on X, but I have, I guess, 90 some odd million people on it and. But I was much higher than that when I was like all these older people.

I don't even know how many people there are.

Yeah, it's, I mean, it's been. But I love the job he's done. And he's brought a certain voice back into, into play.

Yeah.

The previous people were terrible. Terrible. Every time you do a thing, you'd be red flagged. They'd put every statement you made, you'd be red flag.

Yeah, they just, it's almost like. Yeah, it's like when you have a babysitter and they don't want to have any fun or whatever.

Yeah. Yeah.

That's kind of the vibe I got when you. Yeah, I see, yeah, cuz I see you at the, at the fights. I see you. Sometimes you'll sit right by Dana and sometimes I'll sit. Yeah. Like me, I'll go with like David Spade sometimes as a close friend of mine.

Good.

And yeah, I'll see you coming with Kid Rock and. Yeah. You don't drink at the fight, kid.

No, kid Rock is. He's terrific. He came to the convention, he knocked him. He knocked everybody out. He was, he's a great guy. He's just a great guy. He's, he's popular. Very popular.

Oh, he's so. He's definitely, he's a real dirt serpent, too, dude. He's a freaking legend, you know? He's a legend.

He is a legend. I guess in a true sense, 100%.

People love him, dude, look at him. I went to his show not long ago. Somewhere and people. I think some guy had a heart attack there, too, but it was like, funnel cake related, I think, type of vibes.

He draws big crowds. Actually. It's amazing. I saw one. He was out someplace recently at 80,000 people. He's big stuff, but he's really. Forget about that. I call him Bob. Bob, right. It's Bob. Kid rock, but it's Bob. But he's a really good guy. He's a cool cat, right?

Oh, yeah. I mean, I live in Nashville, right? When I got into town, yeah. He hit me up one night and was like, hey, man, I'm having a birthday party this week, and you should come. And I didn't even know him, you know, and it was nice of him. And since then, we've done a lot of fun stuff together. His brother's missing a leg. He looks like the lamp. Have you ever seen that movie the lamp? Like from, like, christmas story or whatever?

I don't know. But he's fantastic. The family. The father I knew very well. He just passed away, and it was tough.

Well, you knew his dad for the brother.

I did, and he was. He was fantastic. I got to know him through knowing Bob. And I tell you what, it's just a fantastic family. The whole family.

No, I love Bob. He and I joke around together a lot. We've spent a lot of time together. Look at his brother right there.

That's right. And you know what? He plays golf, and he plays well. He. He hit a perfect drive with me. I said, do you play? We're in the 17th hall. I said, do you play? He goes, yes. I said, oh, really? Do you want to hit a shot? And he said, okay. And he got up. It was very hard for him to put the. I mean, it was really a tough situation because he has to get the ball in the ground and the tee and everything else. Nobody did it for him. And he did it. I mean, he goes to the ground and he did it. Gets up. He swung. And I'm a good golfer. He had a perfect shot out to the right with a little hook. Nobody knows what that means in your audience, probably, but that's like a perfect shot. And I said, that is perfect. He said, I'll do it again. I said, don't do it again, because you'll never be able to hit a shot that good. And it was really amazing. He's great.

And Bob really do it again, too.

He's up, the family.

Yeah, they're great.

We have an amazing family.

I know Bob's great. I've been to parties at his house. You know, one thing that's really nice about him is I'll go do something with him, and then like, a few days later, he'll send a nice note or he'll send, like, a photo, like a frame photo, and just say, hey, man, I had a nice time. Yeah. Yeah. I noticed at the events you don't drink and you don't drink or smoke. Right?

I don't drink or smoke.

You never have?

No, I never have. I had a great brother who taught me a lesson, don't drink. Don't drink. And he said, don't smoke. He smoked and he drank and he was a great guy. He was a handsome, very handsome guy.

Is he older? He was older.

Quite a bit older, yeah. And he would, he had a problem with alcohol and smoke a lot. But, you know, I tell people, no drugs, no drinking, no cigarettes.

Yeah.

I tell that to my kids all the time. I'd say, no drugs, no drinking, no smoke. And that was tough. Well, he'd always tell me it'd say never. So he was, you know, really old enough that you would look up to somebody and I'd look up to him anyway.

Did you admire him?

Yeah, I admired a lot. So much about him. He had so much going. Had to look. He had an unbelievable personality. Like, an incredible personality.

What was his name? Donald.

His name was Fred. Fred Trump. And he had a problem with alcohol. He got addicted to it because it's. And, you know, they say alcohol is tougher than drugs to get off of. I don't know if you've ever heard that.

Yeah, I'm in recovery, actually. I've been in, I've been in recovery, so, like, most of the last ten years from alcohol, from drugs and alcohol.

Which is worse for me.

Drugs is the problem, but if I have a drink, then I. It's tougher for me to prevent myself from getting.

It sets off a chain.

Yeah.

But is. Which is harder to quit. I've heard alcohol is harder to quit than drugs, if that makes sense.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I can only imagine because it's probably more readily available.

More readily when it's social and you're sitting and everyone's drinking and all.

Yeah. You go to a dinner and everybody's eating a, like, you know, xanaxes or something, you know, for appetizers. Usually people are having like, a mint, you know, a mint julep or something a little fancy or Negroni I just learned about.

Right.

But, yeah.

So you have a problem with that?

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

It's been in my family. My family. It's like, yeah.

Can you. Can you stay away from it?

Yeah, I've done a good job.

I mean, how long have you been off?

I go to recovery meetings. I've been off most recently to a little over two years.

Do you ever go back on?

Yeah, I've had stints where I go back on. And, um.

And. And you don't control it?

Uh, it's. It gets. It goes down. So you think it's gonna be.

You think you're controlling.

Oh, and then you're. Damn.

Yeah, you're doing stuff.

Go kart and racing with hookers and stuff.

It gets bad not to do it.

Right, right. So then in the end, you're like, I have to not do it. Did you see, like, with your brother, did you see. Could you see it or anything?

Yeah, man, I was amazed because he had so much going. He had everything going. I think he probably. It happened in college at a fraternity, maybe, or, I don't know, somewhere along the line it happened, and all of a sudden, you know, this is not unique. This is a very common story, unfortunately, but. And then the family would see it and start to notice it, and it didn't get better. It didn't get better. I was amazed, you know, he lived for so long in bad conditions, you know, in terms of. I was amazed that his body could hold out. It held out, and it had bad moments, and. But his body was unbelievably strong that it could. That it could withstand this.

Yeah. It's a body so resilient.

Yeah.

Do you remember the last time that you saw him or spent with him?

I do, and I'm sorry to ask you about it. Well, you know, the reason it's good talking about it is it might help other people. If it helps one other person, it's worth the conversation.

We talked about that stuff a lot on our. On our podcast.

Yeah.

Yeah. A lot of our audience struggles or has struggled with alcoholism, addiction, intimacy disorders, all types of stuff, you know? So it's like a. No, it's pretty kind of normal conversation. But, you know, the interesting thing is.

And I tell people, so, I never had a cigarette, and I've never had a glass of alcohol. And my brother was incredible. He would tell me because he knew he had a problem, and it'd say, don't ever drink. Don't ever smoke. He'd always add smoking, because he did smoke a lot, which is, you know, not very healthy, but he'd say, don't ever drink. Don't ever drink. He'd tell me every time I said, don't ever drink, because he knew he had this addiction. And I never had a glass of alcohol. Never ever did I have a glass of alcohol because of him. And I would say that if I did drink, I could conceivably be the type of personality that would have, like, you, that would have a problem, but I never had. And the only thing I say to people is if too late for the people that you're talking about, but if you don't drink, you don't miss it. I mean, I don't even think about.

Alcohol, or it's not a part of your world.

I don't think about cigarettes. I don't think about any of that. If you don't take drugs or if you don't have alcohol, it's real easy not to drink it. I had a friend who went to the Wharton School of Finance with me. He was a very smart guy.

Where is it, Wharton school.

That's in Philadelphia.

That's at Penn, Rocky.

Right. And it's a great, great school, great business school. And it's part of the University of Pennsylvania, the business school.

It's nice down there.

Yeah.

My friend's brother went there or something.

We ate near there, and he was smart because it's a great school. But this person that I met, he hated the taste of scotch, hated it, couldn't stand it. But he insisted on having it because he wanted. He felt it was important to be able to drink. I said, no, just don't drink. He said, you know, to be successful in business, you have to sort of interact and you have to drink. And I said, don't do it. Anyway, he became an unbelievable alcoholic, uncontrollable alcoholic.

Oh, I thought you were the best.

Yeah. And he died. He was a, you know, but he hated the taste of scotch, and he still couldn't live without it, literally.

Well, I think I notice a lot of, like, in the recovery rooms and stuff. It's a lot of people that have, they're missing something inside of them, and so they could be. They take on, like, you know, they want to try and fill it up with something else. Yeah. Do you remember the last time that you spent with your brother?

I do. And he'd have periods where he'd get sick, very sick. And we thought we'd lose him, or we lost him, then he'd get better. And that happened five or six times. I mean, well, you thought you lost him, and then he got better, and it was amazing. I mean, he was certainly very strong in that sense. I just tell people, it's so tragic. Don't drink. Just don't drink, and you're not gonna have a problem. Like, even you, if you didn't drink, you would never happen. You probably, maybe wouldn't be successful like you are. You know, it's part of your story. Right.

It's helped me a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I don't know what would happen, probably. I think it's just too risky.

It is risky.

What's something that you miss about him or like that? Yeah, like, what's something that you miss about him, Fred?

Well, he was wise in a sense. I mean, think of it. He's got this problem, and it was very important for him to convey to me not to have this problem. And I couldn't have been successful if I had that problem, if I had that problem. And I think maybe I'm a personality type where I could have had the problem if I drank. But if you don't drink, you're never gonna have it. I mean, I don't miss when I see somebody light up a cigarette and just they're in heaven. I don't miss that at all.

It's weird. It's very native of american, too, isn't it?

Crazy.

Bizarre. And, you know, I think sometimes our older brothers, they kind of, like, they take the speed bumps for us, like, as younger brothers, so that we don't have to. You know what I'm saying? Does that. You know what I'm talking about? Like, my brother went through a lot of stuff so that I didn't have to go through it. And then I get to see him.

And learn, is he okay now?

Yeah, he's doing great now. Yeah, he's doing great now. But it's just. It's like, yeah, that's one of the blessings, I think, of having an older brother.

Well, you can learn through history, too, whether, even if it's not a brother, it's by watching other people. I mean, you can see if you have a friend who's an alcoholic or even just by reading about people, you can learn.

Oh, yeah.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a brother, but in this case, it was very personal. It was a brother, and I learned not to drink, and I learned not to smoke cigarettes. Now, I don't know that I would have smoked cigarettes. I probably would have drank. I think there's no reason not to drink, but I had a reason because he told me just that was it. Don't do it.

Yeah, that was kind of a blessing then, huh?

Yeah.

And where did you, did they, did you guys ever do anything fun together? Like one nice memory that you have with him?

He had a great talent for flying. He was a pilot.

Oh, sweet.

And he loved it.

Did you ever fly with him?

I did. I flew with him. He was a great pilot and very talented. Other pilots would come to his house to study with him, watch him fly, and he was really talented that, but ultimately he had to give that because of the alcohol, he had to give that up, which was a hard thing for him to do, but he had to give that up.

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You know, they lose everything and many, many people. And yep, in those days it wasn't drugs. It wasn't like, don't drink, don't take drugs. I don't think drugs. I don't even know whether even a factor, they happened pretty long time ago. But I think in those days, I don't think were drugs a factor. You go back 25 years ago.

Not like it is now.

Well, certainly not like now.

Yeah. And that actually takes me into something else I wanted to talk about. Like, alcoholism and addiction is something that's really ramped up, even, like you're saying, like, in the past 2030 years in our country. Right. And during the opioid epidemic, they estimate that, like, almost 600,000 people died.

Yeah.

And that doesn't even include the broken hearts and the deaths of families and circles of trust. All, you know, just people that lost a brother doesn't even include the actual siblings, you know? And so the ripple effect of that is huge. And there's that Sackler family that pretty much got away with it. You know, they had a financial slap on the wrist. But we're one of the only countries that allows drug advertisements and pharmaceutical companies to advertise on television. Like, what do you think are things that you can do to help curtail that when you get into office?

So. Well, we did a great job.

Does that make sense or not?

It does make sense. And we had committees, blue ribbon committees in certain cases, but committees that would meet. The big problem we have is, you know, fentanyl is probably the biggest. Opioid is bad. Opioids bad, too. Yeah, I think that's bad because everyone thinks, you know, in many cases, they think they're going to do away with pain. And literally the time is so short, if you take it for like, two weeks, you're almost addicted to it. It's incredible. When you.

Oh, the whole. Yeah, all of that is horrible.

But why do we get addicted? How did.

No, I would just do cocaine. That was really. Yeah. So not just yet.

That's down and dirty, right?

Yeah. And this is. Yeah, this. I mean, it was.

Yeah, but you don't anymore?

No, I don't do it anymore, man. And I'm not doing it.

Is it too much? Too much to handle?

Some of the stuff started to get a real rattle in it, too. I don't know where we were even getting it from in this country, but, yeah, it started to make me feel like I was a mechanic or something.

So the thing you go back to then is alcohol for the most part, right?

Yeah, but. Well, what I want probably is cocaine, but I know that if I have a drink, then it'll give me. It'll like, be like, okay, well, I had a drink then I can do this.

Is cocaine a stronger.

Oh, yeah, up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So you're way up with cocaine more than anything else you can think of.

Can turn you into a damn owl, homie. You know what I'm saying? It'll, you'll be, you'll be out on your own porch, you know, you'll, you'll be your own street lamp. You're frickin and.

Is that a good feeling? Well, no, it's a miserable feeling, but.

You do it anyway. Just like the guy you're saying with the scotch, like you did. You didn't. You knew it was bad, but you still.

It's not even good during what would be normally the good time, in other words. Oh, well, so why would you do it?

I wouldn't. That's why I don't.

Yeah, that's terrible.

But it's crazy, because that's what alcoholism is. I think it's that it trumps the why like it doesn't. And it just. You don't, and you just go to. It's like. So that's why it's. They say that it's cunning, baffling, and powerful. That's what they say about alcoholism. And it is. It's. It's.

Which is a bigger problem in our country. Would you say opioids, bigger than alcohol?

Oh, for sure. I think it's. That's one of the biggest problems.

And compare that to fentanyl.

Oh, yeah. Well, that's the problem is people are making fake opioids because they can't afford real ones or they're just getting them off the street, and then they put fentanyl in them.

Fentanyl's, like, laced into everything now. It's horrible.

It's horrible. Yeah. They found some in a baby rattle somewhere, I think. I don't even know where that was. But one of the things I wanted to ask you about was, like, so there's, like, the big pharma lobbyists. Like, there's 1800 big pharma lobbyists in Washington, DC.

Right?

There's only 535 total representatives or senators total. So just the fact that there's this whole other almost drug government that's there kind of pushing the, you know, pushing agendas and influencing things, like, how do we stop that, man? It just seems like it's obviously killing people. Like, people are dying. You know, it's like, what do we have to do that our own government won't help us?

Well, you have to stop listening to lobbyists. You know, I was not a big person for lobbyists. And if they have even a little access to, like, a president or senator or a congressman or woman, they're snakes. They get a lot of money.

Yeah.

And in some cases they just take the money. They don't do anything. But you have a lot of lobbyists in Washington pushing and certainly a lot for the, for all of the things that we're talking about, including alcohol.

The lobbyists are winning. It feels like.

Yeah, they're winning. They're making a lot of money. Absolutely.

Can you stop that? Can a president stop that? Like, how do we stop that?

Well, one way you could stop it is to say if you're going to go into government, you can never be a lobbyist. In many cases, they have rules and regulations where you can't do it for four years, three years, five years, whatever.

You mean be a lobbyist after you were an elected official.

And you could, you could say that if you're an elected official or if you work in government, you can never be a lobbyist. You have people that work in government and they give out contracts to the military and then they leave and they work for them, for the people that they're giving out contracts to.

That's exactly what happened with the Sackler family, with the drug companies. They hired people that were on the FDA to work for them so they could loophole the laws or, you know, but can we outlaw lobbyists or. We can't do that.

Well, there's a whole constitutional thing there. I mean, can you make somebody never, ever go into the business if you're, if you work for government and especially if you're giving out contracts? In other words, you're a powerful person within some industry, the navy, the army, any, you know, anything. It could be military procurement, etcetera. There's a whole thing, like the whole question is to you give out a contract and then all of a sudden you're working for the person you gave out the contract to or the company that you gave out the contract to.

Right. It's like you're playing both sides of the net.

Well, and it's obviously a problem and it's a big problem. And we were doing things about it, but then we had to get down to other business. We had to solve some. We had a lot of problems with this guy. A lot of problems.

It's pretty clear that the establishment doesn't like you, I would say. What do you think?

Well, I think the people like me.

Oh, yeah.

The people we're leading now in all the polls. We're leading. And Rasmussen just came out a little, Rasmussen's a very highly regarded poll, and we're leaving by like leading by five points. Rasmussen poll and others also, and we're doing well. But I think the people like me a lot. You know, we won and then we did, no doubt. So we won in 2016, and then we did much better in 2020. Much better. Got millions and millions more votes.

And why does the establishment keep trying to sink you? Like, what is it that they, or so afraid of in some cases, the.

Things we're talking about right now, they want to sell product that I'm not interested in. They want to have certain boats and certain chips and certain planes and certain, everything bought. Pharma is another one that's, you know, interesting.

Or do they push back against you, you think?

Yeah, I think they do. Well, yeah, I think. I think it's pretty obvious that they do in one way that's a positive thing politically, because when you can show that they push back, the voters seem to like it. But we have a lot of popularity. We have a lot of people that want to see me come back and win because we had a great time. We had the greatest economy in history when I was president.

Oh, yeah, my cousin got a boat.

Yeah. We had the best numbers. African American, Hispanic American, if you look, asian american. Job numbers, women, men, everybody. We did a, we did a lot of good things. We cut, we cut taxes more than anybody else, including Ronald Reagan. We cut regulations which created jobs. We had a great period of time. And I think the people want it back. Based on what I'm seeing, the people want it back.

One thing that you did recently, we had Bernie Sanders on. And interesting, and I know that's very interesting. Certainly you guys don't agree on a lot of things, but I think you both acknowledge how horribly rigged the healthcare system is against the american people because hospitals and insurance companies get away with hiding their prices from all of us. And literally, they can charge whatever they want. You know, it's like you sign up and say, yes, I'll pay. You trust the hospital. But then you get home and the bill is, it's whatever, you know, which pretty much feels like some form of extortion to me. That's what it seems like to me. But you had an executive order where you created a federal rule forcing hospitals and insurers to publish all their prices, right? So that people would be able to know, okay, if an MRI costs $600 here and it's $5,000 there, then I can go here and save myself money. But that hasn't even been enforced like hospitals.

Biden got away with it.

Hospitals and insurance companies, they're not in. They're still not showing their prices.

They hated it.

Of course they did.

And because it would. Would have made it very competitive. And Biden let it go. He did. He never enforced it. And to get that approved was a big deal. And that would have brought down the price of so many things. Not only just care, right, care, physical care, mental care, that would have brought down the cost of care by 50, 60%. And Biden and Kamala didn't press it. It was a big thing to get it. But I'll be pressing it. And because I will be pressing it. Yeah, and because I'll be pressing it, there are some people that are vehemently against it for financial reasons, you know, for money reasons. But people can go to hell.

That's insane.

Yeah, no, they bad people.

Especially because one of the leading causes of bankruptcy in America is medical debt. I mean, it's.

Wow.

That's crazy. And I don't even think I made that up either.

No, it's. When you think of it, at first, when you said it, I said, wow. And then I'm thinking about it. I'm saying it's really not a wow. It's. I understand it.

Yeah.

Tremendous lobby. Tremendous, powerful lobby.

Cause I mean, think about what else is going to put you in medical, like, in that much of a debt. It's like, I think that's. I believe that that's accurate. Who's behind. Who's behind the healthcare insurance? That whole thing, like, who's behind it all? It feels like Chuck Schumer is this kind of, like, deviant mastermind back there somewhere.

Well, he's one of the people that is hurt, and he's one of the people that keeps the prices high. And he's, you know, gets a lot of contributions from the people on the other side. Yeah. And him. And plenty of other people. A lot of people. It's a very powerful lobby.

But when they want the most powerful.

Lobby, the lawyer lobby, that's.

That's the.

And that feeds into that also. You know, it all feeds into it.

Wait, hold on. Just so I understand, Donald. Sorry. So that. That lobby is a very powerful one. Yeah, but why do those people want people to suffer, though? Just so they can make money?

Yeah. It really has to do with money.

That's crazy. How much money do, they probably start.

Terrible, and then they eventually say, well.

But can we just, as a country say, hey, how much? Okay, you need $3 million. We'll give you that. Fuck off.

Yeah.

We want to be healthy.

Yeah.

Like, can't we make a deal with.

Those people, they're very tough to deal with, and they've been taken care of by drug companies and others for years. You know, you have politicians that have been for years being taken care of by people that make a lot of money and they want to keep making a lot of money. And it is. I mean, in that case, it's not a power thing, it's a money thing. A lot of money.

What are some of the other lobbies that are out there that we don't even know about?

Well, the most powerful lobby is the lawyer lobby. I would say the teacher's lobby is important or powerful, sometimes, really, to the detriment of everybody. But the most powerful lobby is probably the lawyers who would think that, right? But they have. That's why if you wanted to get rid of court cases and cut down litigation costs, which in this country is out of control, loser pays. Crazy. What you do is you go, loser pays. In other words, the loser of a lawsuit has to pay for, the other side has to pay back all the money the other side spent.

You think that would solve it?

Yeah, it would get rid of 75, 80% of the litigation. We are a very litigious country.

It's on, everything's under. It's all bureaucratic, it's all dirty paperwork. It's a bunch of rigmarole.

Well, if that would happen, you'd get rid of a lot of it. But the lawyers are opposed to it. It probably will not happen no matter what, because obviously the lawyers want to.

Do what would have to happen. The Supreme Court would have to vote on something to make it happen.

I don't know. I think that maybe would have to go before the Supreme Court. But the most powerful lobby is that lobby. And if you wanted to get rid of litigation, if you went and, you know, Europe has it, a lot of places have it in different countries where loser pays. If you sue somebody and you lose, you have to. You have to pay the costs of the other side.

Yeah, that makes sense, I think.

And what happens is people don't sue. It's a tremendous difference. But this country, the lawyers are very much opposed to it in this country. It's too bad.

Yeah, man. It's just pretty heartbreaking. I feel like there was a rumor that you almost had RFK junior as a potential vice president.

No.

Okay. Just a rumor. And did I like him?

I've always liked him.

But, yeah, I like him, too. He's Bobby and our friends. He's a friend of mine. I've known him.

He's a good man.

Yeah.

He's in there pitching. It's tough. It's a two party system and he's a third party. It's a tough thing. He can't get registered now in New York. I see New York. And the Democrats have really opposed him vehemently. I haven't, but the Democrats have really opposed him.

So you think he should be allowed to run everywhere?

Well, the laws don't allow that.

Okay.

And the laws don't allow, unless you have 15 or 20%, whatever it is. They don't allow you to debate. You don't have to debate. So you can't get on the stage. You can't. The debates are very important. I mean, I had a debate with Joe Biden.

Oh, yeah.

And that was a very meaningful, that was a very consequential debate, to put it mildly.

Well, yeah, they took the pant out of the puppet after that.

They wanted to debate. They gave me everything that I didn't want. CNN. And then they gave me Dana Bash and Jake Tapper. Now, remember this, they were very straight during that debate. I have gained a certain respect because Jake Tapper, who I call fake Tapper.

But I don't do that whole food.

I don't do that so much anymore. You did, but I thought they were very even handed, if you want to know the truth. During the debate, I didn't feel like.

They, like the moderate. I didn't feel like they pushed a.

Lot of, they had certain pressure on them to be even handed. I think it's hard to not do that. But they were very even handed, and it was a great debate, but a very important debate.

Well, after that, it seemed like suddenly everybody had been like, oh, Biden's fine in America for like 18 months. Like, my dad was really old when I was born. My dad was 70 when I was born. Right. So I don't like seeing senior citizens get, take advantage of. Right. I felt like that happened a lot when I was a kid. And so I think for me, it reflected on me. Like, it made me really angry because I was like, I know this guy's not, well, it's not fair to pretend that he's, well, it's not fair to him because he doesn't know you're pretending, you know? And it just seemed like the cruelest thing you could do. And then we're all kind of supposed to believe this thing that we know is not real. Our media is just saying this is real, and we're like, we're just being gaslit as humans about something. That's like moral, like this is a human man, this is somebody's grandfather. And then they just disappear. He just disappears and suddenly it's like.

It was a coup.

Kamala is the, is the one that went in. What do you think happened in the back rooms there? Cause that almost was overnight that happened.

I know what happened. And you're not supposed to do that. It's not supposed to be probably constitutional. She got no votes. He got 14 million votes. All of a sudden they're telling him to get out or they threatened him.

But who were they?

When they say angry person, well, I would say Schumer, Pelosi and numerous other people, the heads of the Democrat party. And they did. They threatened him violently, I think. And he didn't want to get out. Remember he said, only God will get me out. Right. Only God will get me.

Somebody dressed up like God chased him out of there.

Yeah. And what happened is they, they went to him and they said this was after the debate. Now, if he didn't have the debate, he would still be running. Running.

Yeah. So they set him up. They knew they were going to pull that.

I don't know. I mean, he had his debate. Maybe he wanted to. I heard he didn't. I heard they offered me things that I would never accept and I accepted them. They said CNN, they said Jake top Tapper, dana Bash, they said all things that I could not take and I accepted all of them. And, you know, look, it was a good debate for me. It wasn't a good debate for him. I think you'd still be running right now. You wouldn't have her. She was one of the most disrespected people in the whole country. She was a failed vice president. She was the most, she was considered the worst vice president in the history of our country. She had no chance. You know, if you go back six weeks, they were saying how bad she was and they wanted to choose from eleven different people.

Do you feel?

I thought that's what they were gonna have.

Oh, you thought that's where they. Well, that would have seemed more democratic.

I think they were, they were, they wanted to be politically correct and they chose her.

I feel like it would have seemed more. But, dude, I got so angry when they sidetracked Bernie a few years ago. That wasn't fair.

Bernie twice. Yeah, I think about it, yeah.

Oh, it was crazy. Yeah. 2016 and 22, he just got, you know, it just wasn't cool. Like whatever you think. No, it's just like we have to be able to believe you like Bernie?

Is he. Are you friends with him or so.

No, I'd met him the other day.

Was that the first time?

It was the first time.

Were you impressed by him?

I. Yeah.

One thing, he's still sharp, right?

Oh, yeah. He's still.

He doesn't suffer from what Biden did.

No, no, no.

Mental dullness.

Yeah. Right.

Mentally gone.

He's, you know, he. Somebody put a merry go round in his head. I heard. But that's, you know, but they didn't plug it in. They didn't tell him. Yeah, but no, one thing I liked about Bernie. Well, one of the things is it's the healthcare. I just feel like we spend so much money in different places and people are sick, and the opioid epidemic, I just feel like. And the lower cost of drugs, those are things that I.

And did. Cause I got insulin down and they took credit for it, but I got it down to dollar 35, and I said, I hope I win because somebody's gonna take credit. It takes a period of time before it kicks in statutorily. And I got it down to $35, which is a very low price. And they took credit for it, which is, you know, now I'm taking credit because I'm talking to you, you know.

Yeah. If you did it, then you should be able to take credit.

I just watched her performance today. So she went out and took a. Yeah, she lied about everything. She said this Trump tax, that Trump tax, that Trump. He's going to tax this. He's going to tax all these different things, and I'm not going to tax them. She made it up.

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Look, people in politics, many of them, not all of them are really liars, but she's really a liar. She made up a series of lots of different taxes that Trump's going to charge you on clothing. He's going to charge you on this or that. And actually, she's the one, your taxes are going to go up by four times. And if the Trump tax cuts, because I got the largest tax cuts ever, but they expire in a number of months, pretty soon she has to be able to do something about it. And she's unwilling and incapable. I'll tell you what, if she's president, she's the worst vice president ever. He's the worst president ever. A deadly combination. And we have a country where the borders are bad, where the world is blowing up. You look at Israel, you look at Ukraine, you look at all the different things that are happening.

Oh, we're, yeah, she is.

And she has no clue. And you know what I say about her? Why don't you do it? You know, she complains about everything. She's been there for three and a half years. Why don't you do it? All you have to do is say, why don't you do it? Why didn't you fix it? You could fix it right now. Don't, you know, do whatever you're doing. And she won't talk to you. And she won't talk to anybody. She won't be interviewed.

She's welcome to. Come on. I would love to get to talk to her.

I'm sure she'd be very exciting. Actually, you could make her exciting, probably. Yeah. I think she.

Somebody said she's a good roller skater. That's what I heard. Which is.

That's about it.

Look, we're going to wrap it up soon, okay? Okay, done. Sorry. Speaking of, speaking of Kamala and speaking of the border, we had two border patrol agents that came on in the past two years, right. Because we wanted to learn about it from people that are there on the ground. And one of the things that we found out was a lot of times they keep arresting the same people because the people that are coming in illegally aren't being prosecuted. That's one of the biggest problems. They were saying, what can we do differently to make things safe at the border? It's the fact that a family can't. A father can't sleep at night because he doesn't know who's going through his yard or going through it. It's just not fair. It's not what you sign up for when you're in. What are you going to do differently?

The borders. Well, I did it. I did it. We had the best border.

Oh, the wall. They should have kept it. I agree.

The wall built. We had more going to come beyond, long beyond what I promised. I built hundreds of miles of wall, and it worked. Walls work, you know, walls and wheels. I say it all the time. Two things, they never get obsolete. Wells and walls.

Well, they also supplied infrastructure, like people don't understand. The wall also was a place where border patrol agents could go to get water, to get food, to rest. It provided like a shelter out there as well.

It worked.

They were in the middle of nowhere. They said it worked. The two that I've spoken to said.

It, and I was going to do 200 miles of wall. We had it built. And we, you know, to the specs, specifications of the border patrol, we were going to put it up, and it would take three weeks to put it up. That's an additional 200 miles to fill up certain areas that, you know, when you make the wall, then all of a sudden, they suck them in through other areas. We had it wired and they wouldn't do it. They wouldn't put it up. And I realized they wanted open borders. Kamala wants open borders. She's going to have open borders. We'll have 50, 60 million people because of them sick. We have over 20 million people, in my opinion, right now, that came into our country. Many come from prisons, jails, mental institutions, many terrorists. Do you know that other countries, now their crime rate is way down because they're sending all their criminals.

It's a party.

They're sending all of their criminals to us. And who would take this? Why is this a good thing? It's a horrible. She should be ashamed. And, you know, she was the border czar, too. He put her in charge. She was the worst border czar in the history of the world.

Skater. That's what somebody told me the other day.

She's terrible.

But what are you going to do? What's going to happen with the border when you're back?

We're going to seal the border. And I had it very well sealed. We're the most successful border in the history of our country. We're going to seal the border. We're going to finish up certain areas of the wall because they didn't do it. And we're going to have an unbelievable border, and we're going to spend a lot of time getting the criminals out. Look, we have murderers in our country.

Well, I don't think people should be allowed to be in our country if they're criminals.

Well, then you're going to be very unhappy to know that we have a lot of people, hundreds of thousands of murderers. We have people, drug dealers talking about drugs. It's not even believable that they'll do it. So what they've done is they've allowed murderers, people in prisons, people in jails, people in mental institutions in San Jose, and terrorists to pour into our country by the hundreds of thousands. And they are in our country right now. And the country that brought them out said, if you ever come back, we're giving you the death penalty, or we're going to kill you.

When Brooklyn alone, there's a huge. There's a huge building that is housing just haitian people. They're just housing this. Wandering around Brooklyn all the time.

My friends are telling they have some rough people, too. Really rough people.

So you're. So when you. So if you get reelected, the border, you're going to continue that project?

Well, I have.

We're going to make sure it's safe.

We had it. We had the safest border and the best border in the history of our country, and now it's a disaster.

Biden, somebody invited Biden to the border. And they said, he went to a borders books, dude. And I was like, that's.

Well, they invited her, and she went to a place that doesn't have a problem. You know, she's a disaster. She's. She is the worst vice president. It's the worst administration in the history of our country. She's a part of it, and she won't do an interview. She would never do an interview like this. She won't do.

Want to learn more about her?

Well, I think you should ask her to. Come on.

Tell baron I said thanks, man.

Good. Yeah, he's a big fan.

I hope to get to meet him someday. He seems like a neat kid.

Yeah, he is. He's great.

Is he? Yeah. And yeah. Thank you for your time. I can't believe that I got to be able to sit down with you. I'm grateful to Dana White as well, for setting this up. And, yeah, I just appreciate you giving me your time today, Donald Trump, to know someone.

Good luck with your situation. You're going to do it? You beat it, right? Oh, yeah. Good luck with it.

Thank you, brother.

Thank you very much.

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