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The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Since it was established in 1861, there have been 3,517 people awarded with the medal. I'm Malcolm Gladwell, and our new podcast from Pushkin Industries and iHeartMedia is about those heroes, what they did, what it and what their stories tell us about the nature of courage and sacrifice. Listen to Metal of Honor: Stories of Courage on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Before we get to this episode, I want to let you know that you can binge the entire season right now, ad free, by becoming a Pushkin+ subscriber. You can hear every episode before they're released to the public. Sign up for to Pushkin+ on the Where's Deer Apple podcast show page, or visit pushkin. Fm/plus. Now, onto the episode. I found out about the Missing Women through a Facebook post. I hike a lot, mostly around Los Angeles, and always alone. I don't like to talk when my heavy boots are rhythmically pounding the switchback trails. I use Facebook groups called Things Like Girls Who Hike and Ladies Who Hike LA for trail recommendations and safety tips. Sometime in the summer of 2020, someone shared a news article in one of these groups and warned us all against hiking alone. In Ida Wild, a mountain town about A hundred miles from me, five women had gone missing in the past two months.

Ida Wild is a really small community, and a lot of people know each other there. So when people ended up gone missing, it was just… It was odd.

This is Diana Fedter. She knows a thing or two about crime. She worked asHarper. Oh, hi. Is that Mr. Harper? Yeah. Hi. My name's Lucy Sheriff. So I called him. I'm a journalist. And I wondered if you would be willing to talk to me quickly.What questions do you have?Obviously, I had a lot. We talked for almost an hour. I found out he likes to be known as Harper, and so from now on, that's what I'll call him. He told me he was still searching for Deia, and he was worried that she was going to be forgotten by the police, that she'd just become another cold case, the hardest part, he said, was not knowing.You can deal with a death if there is a death, or you can deal with she left on her own court as her choice. I could deal with that. I can deal with all of that. But not knowing. It's a hollow. You have a hard time.Hopper was an open book. He didn't seem to be anything like the guy who'd appeared on the CBS interview. I remember feeling this immense sympathy for him. He sounded so heartbroken. I can't imagine how difficult it must be to not know.Unless If you're been through something like that, you'll never know. You'll never, ever, ever know because it leaves a tip in your stomach and in your heart that never gets healed.Halper told me Dia knew how to use a gun.I keep going back that she was independent. She was capable. I watched her kill rattlers. I watched her kill five rattlers on day, and She has no fear. I mean, the girl, Anne, next to one, and shoot it.A glamorous blonde who carried a gun, shot at rattlesnakes, and ran a sprawling ranch. I mean, Dia sounded like a badass. But over these years, I've filled back these layers, and she was a complicated character. Even now, it's like Deer refuses to be summed up in one neat sentence. She doesn't fit into any classic archetypes or tidy clichés. Every new person I've spoken to opened another door to another possibility about what might have happened. Every conversation raised another version of events that didn't quite add up, another puzzle piece that didn't seem to fit. Deer disappeared on Saturday, June sixth, 2020. I've revisited that one weekend over and over because everyone has their own account of how things went down at Bonita Vista Ranch, Deer's 115 acre gated mountain paradise. I'm going to come back to these couple of days a lot throughout the season. So Pay close attention. The timeline of the day Deer went missing is spotty, to say the least. But there's one thing we know for sure. Around 9:00 AM on Saturday, June sixth, Deer went over to a neighbor's house to deliver cinnamon rolls. The door cam footage was later leaked to CBS.Now complex answer that I'll fully get into later. All you need to know for now is that Dia felt she was not in a good place financially, or by some accounts, emotionally. She was in a dispute with her children over the estate of her husband, who had died a few years prior. On June sixth, Dia texted Diana, and I've seen those messages. And then it all goes dark. That's the last evidence I have of what Dia did that day, because everything that happened on Saturday after that string of texts is according to Harper.It seemed to be a typical day, but I was pushing hard to get ready to go to Colorado. We were making sure that everything was being prepared. I remember I was down in the Meadow, mowing the Meadow. At lunchtime, which was 2:00 for us because we didn't eat breakfast until probably around 10:00. I came in at 2:00. We had lunch, and she said, Have you got a minute? I can talk to you. I wish that I had listened because she had talked about how she felt there was a risk with her children.According to Harper and Diana, Deer was scared of her children. It was all to do with this battle over her late husband's estate. The kids wanted it all, and they might go to extreme lengths to keep not only all of their father's money, but Deer's multimillion dollar ranch, too. Or so her friends told me.And if anything, I passed that off thinking that her children would not do anything to her. And she said, Do you have a minute? I can talk with you. I said, Hon, can we talk this evening? I said, any more information. In fact, I've had little luck getting much out of the cops at all. I've e-mailed, called, texted, and they've been so tight chipped about what happened that weekend and their investigation at large. It's been incredibly frustrating. You'd think the first person the cops would question would be Harper. After all, as he said himself, the last person to see a missing person alive is usually a suspect. But they didn't. Actually, let me make that clear. They couldn't question Harper, because sometime on Monday morning, Before the cops show up, Harper left. He took off for New Mexico in his white Ford motor home with Deer's dog, Ruby, who, according to Deer's friends, Hopper didn't even like. I asked Harper about this.Well, I had a tax bill I had to take care of. It was supposed to be taken care of the week before, and we were going to do that when we were heading to Colorado in Arizona. I have a ranch there as well.So to reiterate, he says he had a tax bill to take care of in Arizona, and that's why he left days after his fiancé disappeared. But Harper gave Diana an entirely different reason the morning that he left.We were having coffee, and we went over to the trail to take a look again to see if she could be over there. He told me he had to go back. I think he said Arizona or New Mexico. I can't remember which state it was that he had to go back to, that part on. But he told me about his probation.Probation. Diana says Harper told her he had to go and check in with a parole officer. I asked Harper about this, too.No, I heard that, too, and I don't know where in hell she got that. I don't know where they come from. When I was in Arizona, I was talking with the Sheriff's office all the time until I was told by Diana that they had come and the ranch was closed.He said he took his RV so he'd have somewhere to stay when came back to California because the cops told him they were shutting up the ranch. I've done a lot of research, and I can't find anything that Harper would have been on probation for at that time, so that doesn't add up. That leaves the tax bill story, which is a little odd. Why would you have to drive hundreds of miles to go take care of a tax bill? And why would it be so urgent that you have to leave two days after your fiancé goes missing? As I waded into this story, I found that getting clarity on what might have happened to Dia that day was not so straightforward. Over the past few years, I've been down endless rabbit holes that have led nowhere and hit countless brick walls. They have been many times where I've been close to walking away from this story. But what's kept me coming back to this, like some bad habit I can't quite kick, is the ridiculous amount of times I've shouted, Wait, what? Out loud in my living room to myself after finding out some insane new piece of information.It's so hard to know who to trust because almost everyone I speak to seems to have something to gain from Dia's disappearance. Everyone wants their version of events to be believed, to go down as the truth. What happened to Deer has become one of those internet whodunit yarns that Jack's armchair slews, a strange chorus of anonymous people on Reddit and YouTube, all obsessing over the evidence. I mean, I guess I've become one of them, too. The theories of what happened range from plausible to wild speculation. I listened to all of them, hoping that somewhere in that pile of theories lies the truth. And knowing that very likely one of the people I'm speaking to is lying. Coming up this season on Where's Deer.People I didn't know were in our family home. I had gone up there ever since I was a little kid, and now suddenly, the people who I suspect had murdered her are moving in.I said, Well, this guy's acting really suspicious, and I have all kinds of alarms going off in my head. There's something not right. We were showing Harper the place, and we took him down the road and looked, and he just thought all were signs.He had every reason to harm her, but so did Cresar Lara and Clinton just because so much money is involved.You can't trust anything the man says at all.Like, literally, he's allergic to the truth.This story is getting ready to blow wide open. If you want some information, we can talk.Where's Deer is written and hosted by me, Lucy Sheriff. Our producer is Daphne Chen. Editing by Karen Shakerji. Production assistance from Joey Fishground. Fact-checking by Lauren Vespoli. Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. Original score, sound design and mastering by Echo Shores. Where's Deer is a coproduction of Pushkin Industries and iHeartMedia. You can listen to all of Where's Deer right now, ad free, by becoming a Pushkin+ subscriber. Find Pushkin+ on the Apple show page for Where's Deer or at pushkin. Fm/plus.The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Since it was established in 1861, there have been 3,517 people awarded with the medal. I'm Malcolm Gladwell, and our new podcast from Pushkin Industries and iHeartMedia is about those heroes, what they did, what it meant, and what their stories tell us about the nature of courage and sacrifice. Listen to Metal of Honor: Stories of Courage on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Harper. Oh, hi. Is that Mr. Harper? Yeah. Hi. My name's Lucy Sheriff. So I called him. I'm a journalist. And I wondered if you would be willing to talk to me quickly.

What questions do you have?

Obviously, I had a lot. We talked for almost an hour. I found out he likes to be known as Harper, and so from now on, that's what I'll call him. He told me he was still searching for Deia, and he was worried that she was going to be forgotten by the police, that she'd just become another cold case, the hardest part, he said, was not knowing.

You can deal with a death if there is a death, or you can deal with she left on her own court as her choice. I could deal with that. I can deal with all of that. But not knowing. It's a hollow. You have a hard time.

Hopper was an open book. He didn't seem to be anything like the guy who'd appeared on the CBS interview. I remember feeling this immense sympathy for him. He sounded so heartbroken. I can't imagine how difficult it must be to not know.

Unless If you're been through something like that, you'll never know. You'll never, ever, ever know because it leaves a tip in your stomach and in your heart that never gets healed.

Halper told me Dia knew how to use a gun.

I keep going back that she was independent. She was capable. I watched her kill rattlers. I watched her kill five rattlers on day, and She has no fear. I mean, the girl, Anne, next to one, and shoot it.

A glamorous blonde who carried a gun, shot at rattlesnakes, and ran a sprawling ranch. I mean, Dia sounded like a badass. But over these years, I've filled back these layers, and she was a complicated character. Even now, it's like Deer refuses to be summed up in one neat sentence. She doesn't fit into any classic archetypes or tidy clichés. Every new person I've spoken to opened another door to another possibility about what might have happened. Every conversation raised another version of events that didn't quite add up, another puzzle piece that didn't seem to fit. Deer disappeared on Saturday, June sixth, 2020. I've revisited that one weekend over and over because everyone has their own account of how things went down at Bonita Vista Ranch, Deer's 115 acre gated mountain paradise. I'm going to come back to these couple of days a lot throughout the season. So Pay close attention. The timeline of the day Deer went missing is spotty, to say the least. But there's one thing we know for sure. Around 9:00 AM on Saturday, June sixth, Deer went over to a neighbor's house to deliver cinnamon rolls. The door cam footage was later leaked to CBS.

Now complex answer that I'll fully get into later. All you need to know for now is that Dia felt she was not in a good place financially, or by some accounts, emotionally. She was in a dispute with her children over the estate of her husband, who had died a few years prior. On June sixth, Dia texted Diana, and I've seen those messages. And then it all goes dark. That's the last evidence I have of what Dia did that day, because everything that happened on Saturday after that string of texts is according to Harper.It seemed to be a typical day, but I was pushing hard to get ready to go to Colorado. We were making sure that everything was being prepared. I remember I was down in the Meadow, mowing the Meadow. At lunchtime, which was 2:00 for us because we didn't eat breakfast until probably around 10:00. I came in at 2:00. We had lunch, and she said, Have you got a minute? I can talk to you. I wish that I had listened because she had talked about how she felt there was a risk with her children.According to Harper and Diana, Deer was scared of her children. It was all to do with this battle over her late husband's estate. The kids wanted it all, and they might go to extreme lengths to keep not only all of their father's money, but Deer's multimillion dollar ranch, too. Or so her friends told me.And if anything, I passed that off thinking that her children would not do anything to her. And she said, Do you have a minute? I can talk with you. I said, Hon, can we talk this evening? I said, any more information. In fact, I've had little luck getting much out of the cops at all. I've e-mailed, called, texted, and they've been so tight chipped about what happened that weekend and their investigation at large. It's been incredibly frustrating. You'd think the first person the cops would question would be Harper. After all, as he said himself, the last person to see a missing person alive is usually a suspect. But they didn't. Actually, let me make that clear. They couldn't question Harper, because sometime on Monday morning, Before the cops show up, Harper left. He took off for New Mexico in his white Ford motor home with Deer's dog, Ruby, who, according to Deer's friends, Hopper didn't even like. I asked Harper about this.Well, I had a tax bill I had to take care of. It was supposed to be taken care of the week before, and we were going to do that when we were heading to Colorado in Arizona. I have a ranch there as well.So to reiterate, he says he had a tax bill to take care of in Arizona, and that's why he left days after his fiancé disappeared. But Harper gave Diana an entirely different reason the morning that he left.We were having coffee, and we went over to the trail to take a look again to see if she could be over there. He told me he had to go back. I think he said Arizona or New Mexico. I can't remember which state it was that he had to go back to, that part on. But he told me about his probation.Probation. Diana says Harper told her he had to go and check in with a parole officer. I asked Harper about this, too.No, I heard that, too, and I don't know where in hell she got that. I don't know where they come from. When I was in Arizona, I was talking with the Sheriff's office all the time until I was told by Diana that they had come and the ranch was closed.He said he took his RV so he'd have somewhere to stay when came back to California because the cops told him they were shutting up the ranch. I've done a lot of research, and I can't find anything that Harper would have been on probation for at that time, so that doesn't add up. That leaves the tax bill story, which is a little odd. Why would you have to drive hundreds of miles to go take care of a tax bill? And why would it be so urgent that you have to leave two days after your fiancé goes missing? As I waded into this story, I found that getting clarity on what might have happened to Dia that day was not so straightforward. Over the past few years, I've been down endless rabbit holes that have led nowhere and hit countless brick walls. They have been many times where I've been close to walking away from this story. But what's kept me coming back to this, like some bad habit I can't quite kick, is the ridiculous amount of times I've shouted, Wait, what? Out loud in my living room to myself after finding out some insane new piece of information.It's so hard to know who to trust because almost everyone I speak to seems to have something to gain from Dia's disappearance. Everyone wants their version of events to be believed, to go down as the truth. What happened to Deer has become one of those internet whodunit yarns that Jack's armchair slews, a strange chorus of anonymous people on Reddit and YouTube, all obsessing over the evidence. I mean, I guess I've become one of them, too. The theories of what happened range from plausible to wild speculation. I listened to all of them, hoping that somewhere in that pile of theories lies the truth. And knowing that very likely one of the people I'm speaking to is lying. Coming up this season on Where's Deer.People I didn't know were in our family home. I had gone up there ever since I was a little kid, and now suddenly, the people who I suspect had murdered her are moving in.I said, Well, this guy's acting really suspicious, and I have all kinds of alarms going off in my head. There's something not right. We were showing Harper the place, and we took him down the road and looked, and he just thought all were signs.He had every reason to harm her, but so did Cresar Lara and Clinton just because so much money is involved.You can't trust anything the man says at all.Like, literally, he's allergic to the truth.This story is getting ready to blow wide open. If you want some information, we can talk.Where's Deer is written and hosted by me, Lucy Sheriff. Our producer is Daphne Chen. Editing by Karen Shakerji. Production assistance from Joey Fishground. Fact-checking by Lauren Vespoli. Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. Original score, sound design and mastering by Echo Shores. Where's Deer is a coproduction of Pushkin Industries and iHeartMedia. You can listen to all of Where's Deer right now, ad free, by becoming a Pushkin+ subscriber. Find Pushkin+ on the Apple show page for Where's Deer or at pushkin. Fm/plus.The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Since it was established in 1861, there have been 3,517 people awarded with the medal. I'm Malcolm Gladwell, and our new podcast from Pushkin Industries and iHeartMedia is about those heroes, what they did, what it meant, and what their stories tell us about the nature of courage and sacrifice. Listen to Metal of Honor: Stories of Courage on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

complex answer that I'll fully get into later. All you need to know for now is that Dia felt she was not in a good place financially, or by some accounts, emotionally. She was in a dispute with her children over the estate of her husband, who had died a few years prior. On June sixth, Dia texted Diana, and I've seen those messages. And then it all goes dark. That's the last evidence I have of what Dia did that day, because everything that happened on Saturday after that string of texts is according to Harper.

It seemed to be a typical day, but I was pushing hard to get ready to go to Colorado. We were making sure that everything was being prepared. I remember I was down in the Meadow, mowing the Meadow. At lunchtime, which was 2:00 for us because we didn't eat breakfast until probably around 10:00. I came in at 2:00. We had lunch, and she said, Have you got a minute? I can talk to you. I wish that I had listened because she had talked about how she felt there was a risk with her children.

According to Harper and Diana, Deer was scared of her children. It was all to do with this battle over her late husband's estate. The kids wanted it all, and they might go to extreme lengths to keep not only all of their father's money, but Deer's multimillion dollar ranch, too. Or so her friends told me.

And if anything, I passed that off thinking that her children would not do anything to her. And she said, Do you have a minute? I can talk with you. I said, Hon, can we talk this evening? I said, any more information. In fact, I've had little luck getting much out of the cops at all. I've e-mailed, called, texted, and they've been so tight chipped about what happened that weekend and their investigation at large. It's been incredibly frustrating. You'd think the first person the cops would question would be Harper. After all, as he said himself, the last person to see a missing person alive is usually a suspect. But they didn't. Actually, let me make that clear. They couldn't question Harper, because sometime on Monday morning, Before the cops show up, Harper left. He took off for New Mexico in his white Ford motor home with Deer's dog, Ruby, who, according to Deer's friends, Hopper didn't even like. I asked Harper about this.Well, I had a tax bill I had to take care of. It was supposed to be taken care of the week before, and we were going to do that when we were heading to Colorado in Arizona. I have a ranch there as well.So to reiterate, he says he had a tax bill to take care of in Arizona, and that's why he left days after his fiancé disappeared. But Harper gave Diana an entirely different reason the morning that he left.We were having coffee, and we went over to the trail to take a look again to see if she could be over there. He told me he had to go back. I think he said Arizona or New Mexico. I can't remember which state it was that he had to go back to, that part on. But he told me about his probation.Probation. Diana says Harper told her he had to go and check in with a parole officer. I asked Harper about this, too.No, I heard that, too, and I don't know where in hell she got that. I don't know where they come from. When I was in Arizona, I was talking with the Sheriff's office all the time until I was told by Diana that they had come and the ranch was closed.He said he took his RV so he'd have somewhere to stay when came back to California because the cops told him they were shutting up the ranch. I've done a lot of research, and I can't find anything that Harper would have been on probation for at that time, so that doesn't add up. That leaves the tax bill story, which is a little odd. Why would you have to drive hundreds of miles to go take care of a tax bill? And why would it be so urgent that you have to leave two days after your fiancé goes missing? As I waded into this story, I found that getting clarity on what might have happened to Dia that day was not so straightforward. Over the past few years, I've been down endless rabbit holes that have led nowhere and hit countless brick walls. They have been many times where I've been close to walking away from this story. But what's kept me coming back to this, like some bad habit I can't quite kick, is the ridiculous amount of times I've shouted, Wait, what? Out loud in my living room to myself after finding out some insane new piece of information.It's so hard to know who to trust because almost everyone I speak to seems to have something to gain from Dia's disappearance. Everyone wants their version of events to be believed, to go down as the truth. What happened to Deer has become one of those internet whodunit yarns that Jack's armchair slews, a strange chorus of anonymous people on Reddit and YouTube, all obsessing over the evidence. I mean, I guess I've become one of them, too. The theories of what happened range from plausible to wild speculation. I listened to all of them, hoping that somewhere in that pile of theories lies the truth. And knowing that very likely one of the people I'm speaking to is lying. Coming up this season on Where's Deer.People I didn't know were in our family home. I had gone up there ever since I was a little kid, and now suddenly, the people who I suspect had murdered her are moving in.I said, Well, this guy's acting really suspicious, and I have all kinds of alarms going off in my head. There's something not right. We were showing Harper the place, and we took him down the road and looked, and he just thought all were signs.He had every reason to harm her, but so did Cresar Lara and Clinton just because so much money is involved.You can't trust anything the man says at all.Like, literally, he's allergic to the truth.This story is getting ready to blow wide open. If you want some information, we can talk.Where's Deer is written and hosted by me, Lucy Sheriff. Our producer is Daphne Chen. Editing by Karen Shakerji. Production assistance from Joey Fishground. Fact-checking by Lauren Vespoli. Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. Original score, sound design and mastering by Echo Shores. Where's Deer is a coproduction of Pushkin Industries and iHeartMedia. You can listen to all of Where's Deer right now, ad free, by becoming a Pushkin+ subscriber. Find Pushkin+ on the Apple show page for Where's Deer or at pushkin. Fm/plus.The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Since it was established in 1861, there have been 3,517 people awarded with the medal. I'm Malcolm Gladwell, and our new podcast from Pushkin Industries and iHeartMedia is about those heroes, what they did, what it meant, and what their stories tell us about the nature of courage and sacrifice. Listen to Metal of Honor: Stories of Courage on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

any more information. In fact, I've had little luck getting much out of the cops at all. I've e-mailed, called, texted, and they've been so tight chipped about what happened that weekend and their investigation at large. It's been incredibly frustrating. You'd think the first person the cops would question would be Harper. After all, as he said himself, the last person to see a missing person alive is usually a suspect. But they didn't. Actually, let me make that clear. They couldn't question Harper, because sometime on Monday morning, Before the cops show up, Harper left. He took off for New Mexico in his white Ford motor home with Deer's dog, Ruby, who, according to Deer's friends, Hopper didn't even like. I asked Harper about this.

Well, I had a tax bill I had to take care of. It was supposed to be taken care of the week before, and we were going to do that when we were heading to Colorado in Arizona. I have a ranch there as well.

So to reiterate, he says he had a tax bill to take care of in Arizona, and that's why he left days after his fiancé disappeared. But Harper gave Diana an entirely different reason the morning that he left.

We were having coffee, and we went over to the trail to take a look again to see if she could be over there. He told me he had to go back. I think he said Arizona or New Mexico. I can't remember which state it was that he had to go back to, that part on. But he told me about his probation.

Probation. Diana says Harper told her he had to go and check in with a parole officer. I asked Harper about this, too.

No, I heard that, too, and I don't know where in hell she got that. I don't know where they come from. When I was in Arizona, I was talking with the Sheriff's office all the time until I was told by Diana that they had come and the ranch was closed.

He said he took his RV so he'd have somewhere to stay when came back to California because the cops told him they were shutting up the ranch. I've done a lot of research, and I can't find anything that Harper would have been on probation for at that time, so that doesn't add up. That leaves the tax bill story, which is a little odd. Why would you have to drive hundreds of miles to go take care of a tax bill? And why would it be so urgent that you have to leave two days after your fiancé goes missing? As I waded into this story, I found that getting clarity on what might have happened to Dia that day was not so straightforward. Over the past few years, I've been down endless rabbit holes that have led nowhere and hit countless brick walls. They have been many times where I've been close to walking away from this story. But what's kept me coming back to this, like some bad habit I can't quite kick, is the ridiculous amount of times I've shouted, Wait, what? Out loud in my living room to myself after finding out some insane new piece of information.

It's so hard to know who to trust because almost everyone I speak to seems to have something to gain from Dia's disappearance. Everyone wants their version of events to be believed, to go down as the truth. What happened to Deer has become one of those internet whodunit yarns that Jack's armchair slews, a strange chorus of anonymous people on Reddit and YouTube, all obsessing over the evidence. I mean, I guess I've become one of them, too. The theories of what happened range from plausible to wild speculation. I listened to all of them, hoping that somewhere in that pile of theories lies the truth. And knowing that very likely one of the people I'm speaking to is lying. Coming up this season on Where's Deer.

People I didn't know were in our family home. I had gone up there ever since I was a little kid, and now suddenly, the people who I suspect had murdered her are moving in.

I said, Well, this guy's acting really suspicious, and I have all kinds of alarms going off in my head. There's something not right. We were showing Harper the place, and we took him down the road and looked, and he just thought all were signs.

He had every reason to harm her, but so did Cresar Lara and Clinton just because so much money is involved.

You can't trust anything the man says at all.

Like, literally, he's allergic to the truth.

This story is getting ready to blow wide open. If you want some information, we can talk.

Where's Deer is written and hosted by me, Lucy Sheriff. Our producer is Daphne Chen. Editing by Karen Shakerji. Production assistance from Joey Fishground. Fact-checking by Lauren Vespoli. Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. Original score, sound design and mastering by Echo Shores. Where's Deer is a coproduction of Pushkin Industries and iHeartMedia. You can listen to all of Where's Deer right now, ad free, by becoming a Pushkin+ subscriber. Find Pushkin+ on the Apple show page for Where's Deer or at pushkin. Fm/plus.

The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Since it was established in 1861, there have been 3,517 people awarded with the medal. I'm Malcolm Gladwell, and our new podcast from Pushkin Industries and iHeartMedia is about those heroes, what they did, what it meant, and what their stories tell us about the nature of courage and sacrifice. Listen to Metal of Honor: Stories of Courage on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.