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In 2017, Libby Caswell was found dead in a motel room in Independence, Missouri.

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We have a term called JDLR, which means.

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Just.

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Don't look right. On Season 2 of my podcast, What Happened to, I take a closer look at Libby Caswell's life and death.

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Libby's case keeps me.

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Awake at night. What happened to her is unknown. That's something that I need to know.

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Listen to what happened to Libby, Caswell on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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When Tracy Raquelle Burns was two years old, her baby brother died. I was told that Matthew died in an accident. Her parents told police she had killed him. I'm Nancy Glass. Join me for Burden of Guilt, the new podcast that tells the true and incredible story of a toddler who was framed for murder. Listen to Burden of Guilt on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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What you're about to hear is one of the most incredible stories I've ever heard. It's going to begin quickly, so let me first introduce myself. I'm Soledad O'Brien. I'm a journalist. A few months ago, the film director, Rob Reiner, called me, and he asked me what I knew about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, a crime that happened 60 years ago. I told him I thought I knew the story. It turns out I don't.

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The assassination of President John F. Kennedy is the greatest murder mystery in American history. I was 16 years old when it happened, and it has never left me. In order to understand the magnitude of this world-changing event, you have to start at the end of the story.

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That's Rob. He knows a thing or two about telling a good story. He's the creative powerhouse behind movies like The Princess Bride, When Harry met Sally, Stand By Me, and Spinal Tab. That's just to name a few.

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John F. Kennedy was President at a time when the world was on the brink of nuclear war, and he tried to put us on a path towards peace.

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I wasn't even born when this happened. But the way Rob tells it, it's like it just happened because in a way, it's a story that's not over.

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In order to understand what really happened on November 22, 1963, we're going to start at the end of the story with a paunchy middle-aged nightclub owner. His name is Jack Ruby. Ruby is wandering through a crowd in a parking garage.

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I'm looking at a photo of this moment. I'd probably be thinking, Who is this guy? I mean, he doesn't look like he's a cop or a reporter.

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And it's not just any parking garage. It's the parking garage of the Dallas police headquarters. Hundreds of reporters are gathered to photograph Lee Harvey Oswold, the ex-marine who is suspected of assassinating President John F. Kennedy on a street in Dallas in broad daylight. Oswold is being moved to the county jail, and Ruby is there to witness it, or so it seems. Oswold appears. The police are escort him down a hallway toward a car that will take him to the county jail, where he'll wait for trial. The trial where America will finally get an answer to the question, who would want to kill the President of the United States? Oswold is in handcuffs. He's flanked by officers. Ruby weaves his way to the front of the crowd. People at the station know Ruby. Officers would often come to his local club, so Ruby is able to easily position himself just a few feet away from Oswold. Suddenly, Ruby reaches into his pocket and removes a 38 caliber Colt-Cobra revolver. He lurches forward and from point-blank range, fires into Oswold's stomach. Oswold crumples to the ground. One of the policeman who recognizes Ruby says, Jack, you son of a bitch.

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The entire incident is caught on live TV. Americans around the country watch Stund, as the man suspected of killing their beloved President is himself murdered.

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It's.

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Astounding, and I just have to ask, Rob, you were watching this live?

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I was, and like the rest of the nation, I was in shock. I had so many questions. Who was Oswalt? Did he actually kill the President? And why? Why would Ruby, a local nightclub owner, take it upon himself to kill Oswalt?

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I know Jack Ruby says he did it because he wanted to spare Jackie Kennedy the grief of returning to Dallas for Oswalt's trial.

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Right, and the sun sets in the east. Knowing what we know about Jack Ruby's mob connections, that is ridiculous. To understand what Ruby was doing, all you have to do is listen to what Oswalt said the day before he was shot. It comes down to this one sentence, and he said it to the press, and it's been over 60 years and you cannot get that sentence out of your head.

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I'm just a patsy.

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I'm just a patsy. Usually, criminals will say, You got the wrong guy, but a patsy?

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Exactly. A patsy is a pawn who takes the fall for somebody else. Think of it this way. If Oswold is a patsy, when he goes to trial, he's going to reveal who set him up. Jack Ruby was there to silence Oswold, to hide the truth about what really happened and who really assassinated the President.

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That leaves me with so many questions.

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It should. When you think of Ruby as a loose thread and you start to pull on it, others come loose.

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Okay, for 60 years you've been pulling at those threads, but there have been lots of investigators, lawyers, journalists who've come to conclusions. You don't think conclusions means case closed.

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I don't. And in this podcast, I'm going to tell you why.

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This is Who Killed JFK. 60 years later, what can we uncover about the greatest murder mystery in American history? And why does it still matter today? I'm your host, Soledad O'Brien. President John Fitzgerald Kennedy was the youngest president in US history when he took office in 1961, 1. He was also the youngest US President to die when he was killed by an Assassin's bullet almost three years later on November 22, 1963. He was 46 years old. On that fateful day, his flight arrived at Dallas Love Field at 11:37 AM.

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And here is.

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The President.

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Of the United States, and the crowd is absolutely going wild. President and very obvious good spirits, and the President and his wife are going to be visible all through Dallas.

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I think we all know this story. Kennedy was riding in an open car motorcade through the city of Dallas. It was time to start campaigning for re-election. He rode in the back of a convertible with his wife, Jackie, by his side before an adoring crowd.

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President's car is now turning on to Elm Street. It appears as though something has happened in the motorcade route. Something, I repeat, has happened in the motorcade route. Parkland Hospital has been advised to stand by for a severe gunshot wound.

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We all.

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Know what happened because a man named Abraham Zapruder, a local Dallas dressmaker, filmed it all on his eight millimeter camera. In the film, we see the motorcade entering Dealy Plaza just before 12:30 in the afternoon. Suddenly, the President is shot in the neck. Seconds later, we see the fatal shot to his head. Then the President's limousine races to Parkland Hospital.

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Kennedy apparently shot in head. He fell face down in.

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Back seat of his car. The Flash apparently official, President Kennedy died at 1:00 PM Central Standard Time.

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Approximately 70 minutes later, Lee Harvey Oswold, an ex-US Marine, is arrested at a movie theater. I think I have about as much knowledge of this case as the average person, which is the basic Oswold kills Kennedy, Ruby kills Oswold, and then there are a hundred theories trying to answer why. 60 years later, we all still want to know why. How old were you when Kennedy was assassinated?

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I was 16, and like everybody else, I remember exactly where I was when I heard. I was in my physics class in high school. I remember one of the students walked in, whispered in the ear of my physics teacher, and he turned to the class and he said, I have some terrible news. They sent us all home from school, and we turned on our televisions, and we watched non-stop. It felt like we lost our father. It's stunning. You have to understand that we all heard that Kennedy was assassinated at the same time. We all saw Lee Harvey Oswalt killed by Jack Ruby at the same time. Now you have a country of 170,000 people at the time, I can't remember exactly, all experiencing something at the same time. It's not like it was thrown up on social media and repeated over and over and people saw it at different times. It is a profound collective trauma. In 1965, '66, the war in Vietnam was ramping up. Kennedy had talked about getting us out of Vietnam. I was of draft age, so my generation got very upset by what had happened to Kennedy because it directly impacted us.

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We really started distrusting the government. There was a phrase an expression that we had during that period, and it was, Never trust anybody over 30.

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I've noticed that people always seemed to frame the murder of JFK as the moment Americans started distrusting the US government. Government. As someone who's not white, I can tell you people of color had plenty of reasons not to trust the government long before Kennedy died. When this happened at the height of the civil rights movement, black people were already speaking about systemic oppression at the hands of government. Young white men may have started distrusting the government because now they knew what it felt like too. But I have to tell you, I'm probably as interested in the mystery and the conspiracy theories around this murder as most people who grew up in the aftermath. But Rob feels a sense of urgency to understand the truth, and I want to understand why it matters so much. I'm hosting this podcast with Rob, who's a storyteller and whose work is known for digging deeply into the American consciousness. I think Rob's fascination with this case and all the work he's done to find answers does exactly that. Rob, tell me about the moment when you started to think, I don't know that I can trust the official story.

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Well, maybe I was 19 at the time. I was performing at a club in San Francisco. It was called The Hungry-Eye with my friend Larry Bishop, who was Joey Bishop's son. And we were opening for Carmen McCray. Now, Mort Saul, who was a brilliant political satirist, he was playing in the smaller room at the club. And so when we would finish our set, we'd go and listen to him. And at that time, he wasn't doing his normal routine. All he talked about was the Kennedy assassination and how the government was lying to us. I started reading up on it. The first book I remember reading was a book by Mark Lane called Rush to Judgment, and the more I read, the more the Warren Commission report just fell apart.

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The Warren Commission refers to the government's official story, which was published in 1964, following a 10-month investigation into what happened on that day in Dallas. They declared Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, that he killed the President with shots from a rifle he fired from the sixth floor of a building called the Texas School Book Depository, which overlooked the President's passing motorcade. I know about the Warren Report because that's what I was taught in school. A lone gunman killed the President. That was decades after Rob watched a skeptical Mortseau. For decades, journalists and civilian sleuths have continued their own intricate investigations into the story. There are now separate theories that the mob murdered JFK or the CIA set it all up, or that a population of Cuban exiles did it. There are so many theories. Where do you begin?

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You're right. There's a lot to sift through. It wasn't until 2015, I was making a film, LBJ, with Woody Harrelson, and the producer, Matt George, introduced me to Dick Russell. Now, Dick Russell wrote a book called The Man Who Knew Too Much. After one conversation with Dick, all the pieces of the puzzle started to fall into place.

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The Man Who Knew Too Much is about a CIA agent named Richard Kasneigel, who knew Lee Harvey Oswalt. Dick Russell was a sports writer in 1975 when he stumbled upon and since then, Dicks written three books about the assassination of JFK, making the investigation one of his principal beats as a journalist. Rob shared his fascination, and after that one conversation, they became a team.

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We went to Dallas, we visited Dealy Plaza, and we talked to as many people as we could who were still alive that were there that day. I talked to Buel Fraser, who was the guy who drove Oswell to work that day. We talked to forensics experts. We met with CIA asset named Tash Plumley, who flew CIA Agent E. Howard Hunt and mobster Johnny Rizeli to Dallas that day and was positioned on the south null of Daly Plaza when the shots were fired. We tried to cover, as they say, the waterfront.

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Those are all names that will make sense later in the series when we dive into the mystery of it all. But for now, Rob invited me to sit down with him and Dick Russell. You know, Dick, I'm always interested in how people's obsessions begin. Is it wrong to say that you've had an obsession about this assassination?

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Yeah, I think it's absolutely true. I have had an obsession with it for many years, Hilliams. In the mid-1970s, when I was living in New York and freelancing for a lot of different newspapers and magazines, I spent pretty much two full years on this trail. It was in 1976 that a Senate committee headed up by Idaho Senator Frank Church, exposed a trove of CIA secrets that prompted the formation of the House Select Committee on assassinations. The HSCA reopened the investigation into Kennedy's death. A couple of years later, they determined that Lee Harvey Oswold had not acted alone, that the murder was likely a result of, quote, a conspiracy. They didn't say anything specific about who else was involved. They just vaguely said others. They left the door open.

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What do you want people to walk away from this podcast with?

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I want the American people to know the truth, to be presented with all the facts, and that those facts will lead them to only one conclusion, this was a conspiracy. If people don't know the truth about their government, the foundation of our democracy starts to crumble.

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The reason that we're here, the reason that you are doing this, is you want the truth.

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Yes, I want the truth. To contradict a character in a film I directed, I think we can handle the truth.

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I guess I would say I'm doing something a little bit different here. I'm taking off my journalist hat for this one because you're really the one who's done so much of the reporting on this story, and I'm going to let you lead me in this journey, and I'm going to push back where I think I need to push back. But largely, I guess I'm trying to understand your point of view. I guess we start with the biggie. Who do you think killed JFK?

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Like any murder mystery, you start with the suspects. Who had the motive? To answer that, you have to understand that the JFK that was murdered in 1963 was a completely different than the one who was elected in 1960. When Kennedy was running for president in 1960, we were in the throes of the Cold War with the Soviet Union. The stakes could not be higher.

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To understand that time, Rob suggested we talk to John Mechombe. He's a historian and a Pulitzer Prize winner, and he talks to us about what it was like back in 1960 when the nation was paralyzed by the looming threat of with Soviet Russia.

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The fear was, and it was an ambient fear, that a small war, a small conflict, one place could lead to a chain reaction where there would be total war that would be planet-get wide. The images we all have in our heads, we have in our heads for a reason. Kids were getting under desks to practice in the event of a nuclear Holocaust.

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Was it terrifying as a kid? Were the kids panicking when there were those drills?

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Yeah, it was terrifying. This is the time that we were born in the whole idea of the domino theory that if one country went communist, another would go, and then another, and we'd be overtaken by the Soviet Union.

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Then John, did that existential anxiety lead to a fervor against communism? Almost to the point that someone could be seen as a traitor if they weren't against communism enough.

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That's the motive force of McCarthyism.

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Mccarthyism comes from Congressman Joe McCarthy. In the early 1950s, he pioneered this atmosphere of fear in the US that communists were everywhere. Your neighbor could be a communist. Your child's teacher could be a communist. People said, Better dead than red. That's what things were like when Kennedy started to become a national figure.

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When John Kennedy runs for president in 1960, he wants to be sure that the Democratic Party is seen as tough on communism as the Republican Party.

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I can remember the central question of the debate was, could Kennedy and his youth stand up to Nixon and show his bona fides in terms of fighting communism.

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Rob, you're right. The question was, what are you going to do about Cuba? In 1959, the Cuban Revolution had brought Castro to power or Bautista had fallen. Suddenly you had the possibility of what would emerge as a communist country 90 miles off the Coast of Florida.

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As an American of Cuban descent, I'll say that it's impossible to overstate the importance of Fidel Castro's communist Cuban revolution in this moment in history. That put Cuba in alignment with the Soviets, which scared America, considering the island was only 90 miles off the Coast of Florida. The Cubans, who were anti-castro and anti-communist, fled to the harbors of America, which welcomed them. Meanwhile, the Soviets were busy strategizing over how to take advantage of their new beachhead.

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Any misstep towards Cuba could have resulted in an all-out nuclear war.

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And people wanted to know, was Kennedy up to the job?

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I do not shrink from this responsibility. I welcome it. Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

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Prior to Kennedy taking office, the Eisenhower administration planned a secret attack on Cuba called the Bay of Pigs, and the objective was simple.

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Go into Cuba, start a revolution, topple Castro, and bring Cuba back on side, if you will, with the Free World.

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The key to the Bay of Pigs was to make it look like this was solely expatriate Cubans and that the Americans had no involvement.

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It turns out the Cuban people were not sitting around waiting for a bunch of to come and do this.

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Just the opposite. People still talk about the Bay of Pigs today because of how much a flaming failure it was. Here's what ended up happening. When the Cuban exiles invaded the island, they were met with a fierce defense from Cubans on the ground.

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The CIA had urged Kennedy to send air support, but Kennedy, he told them before the attack, There would be no US fingerprints on this operation, and with no US air support, the exiles were left stranded and they were slaughtered. Now you got to remember, Kennedy inherited the Bay of Pigs from the previous administration. He had only been in office for about three months, and he went along with the wishes of the CIA to show how tough he was. But after that disaster, he started to suspect that the CIA was trying to bully him into a war that he didn't want.

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He felt betrayed. He felt stabbed in the back, disappointed and disenchanted.

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Publicly, he took full responsibility for the failure. But privately, after the Bay of Pigs, people heard him say that he would splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds. The CIA didn't know that he wanted to tear them apart, but they would soon.

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We have a term called JDLR, which.

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Means just don't look right.

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My name is Melissa Jeltson. I've spent the last year talking to Libby's friends and family, uncovering details of her life and the secrets that may have endangered it. I knew.

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She was doing something, but she just wouldn't.

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Admit it to me at first. Join me on a journey to uncover what really happened to Libby Caswell.

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Everyone.

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Deserves to.

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Know the truth. And if.

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There is something that was not right, then someone should be held accountable.

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I think the law is set up to punish.

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Families in this situation.

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Libby's case stands out in my mind and keeps me awake.

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At night. What happened to her is unknown. It's something that I need to know.

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Listen to what happened to Libby Caswell on the iHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Rob said that if we were doing a podcast about JFK, we've got to talk to the guy behind the independent blog, jfkfax. Org. Since 2012, Jefferson Morley has published a new development to the story nearly every single day. It's where a lot of JFK investigators go to get their information. Morley takes the firehose of information and distills it into digestible bites. In another life, he reported on the CIA for The Washington Post.

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Kennedy and the CIA were very alienated after the Bay of Pigs, and he eventually gets rid of Alan Dulles.

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When you look up Alan Dulles, the guy has a nickname, but godfather of the CIA. He was the first civilian director of the CIA. He had close ties to the oil industry, the finance industry. President Kennedy fired him after the Bay of Pigs disaster.

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Then comes the Cuban missile crisis. Cia surveillance planes discover the Soviet missiles are being installed in Cuba.

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So this rift between the CIA and the President is happening in the backdrop of the Cuban missile crisis.

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Yep. After the Bay of Pigs disaster, Kennedy's relationship with the Soviet Union grew hostile. The Soviet threat was becoming much more direct, and Khrushchev was not happy about the Bay of Pigs. And a year later, pictures surface that show that the Soviets are installing nuclear missiles in Cuba.

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They bring the pictures to Kennedy. He's in his bedroom on the second floor of the White House.

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That's John Meacham.

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He's having breakfast. They bring it to him. And the first thing he says is, How could they do this to me? He calls Robert Kennedy, the attorney general, who says with great ciceroony and eloquence, Shit, shit, shit, those sons of bitches Russians.

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A few days later, the President shares the news with the nation.

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Good evening, my fellow citizens. Within the past week, unmistakable evidence has established the fact that a series of offensive missile sites is now in preparation. The purpose of these bases can be none other than to provide a nuclear strike capability against the Western Hemisphere.

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That moment must have seemed surreal.

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It was unbelievable. Nuclear missiles fired from Cuba could reach Washington in like 20 minutes.

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The President then convenes something called X-com, the executive committee of the National Security Council. Every possible decision-maker would be in the West Wing, more or less around the clock for 13 days.

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Behind closed doors, the conversations between various advisors and military leaders get very heated and dangerous. The military leaders saw the opportunity that they had been waiting for to invade Cuba and make sure that the Soviets understood the military superiority of the United States.

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General Curtis is there. He's the cigar-chomping, slim-pickens guy from Dr. Strange Love. At one point, he looks at the young President and says, You're in a hell of a fix, Mr. President. Kennedy says, What did you say? And Le May repeats it, You're in a hell of a fix, Mr. President.

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There was a strict division forming.

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There were 15 people in favor of immediate attack, and there were nine in favor of some diplomacy track.

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Here's Jefferson, Morley, again.

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The majority of those people in that first week said, Just attack missiles, destroy them, invade, throw out Castro, and let's get this thing over with. And Kennedy was in the minority.

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Kennedy was frightened that he was hours away from having to push the button in a war that would have killed hundreds of millions of people.

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I call upon Chairman Khrushchev to haul and eliminate this clandestine, reckless and provocative threat to world peace and to stable relations between our two nations.

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Kennedy writes a letter directly to Khrushchev.

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That's Dick Russell.

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They have been writing letters to each other since Kennedy took office. The letters started out as diplomatic, but with the start of the Cuban missile crisis, they take on a new tone. In the midst of the crisis, Khrushchev writes Kennedy back saying, We must not succumb to intoxication and petty passions. I have participated in two wars, and I know that war ends when it is rolled through cities and villages everywhere, sowing death and destruction. Kennedy was a war veteran. He was a guy who nearly lost his life many times. He was not impressed by the generals who were telling him to go risk other people's lives. Khrushchev finishes his letter by saying, You ought not now to pull the ends of the rope in which you've tied the knot of war, because the more the two of us pull, the tighter that knot will be tied. So let us take measures to untie that knot.

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It almost feels like these letters are a way for them to see clearly the one thing that they have in common. They're both standing in a room with people they don't trust. I think Kennedy understands that just like him, Khrushchev also has a military apparatus that's ready to take nuclear action. Maybe that's what neither of these leaders really want.

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Ultimately, the way we got out of it was through compromise, through negotiation. We agreed to remove the missiles from Turkey. Khrushchev agrees. He stands up to his own hardliners in Moscow and agrees to take the missiles out of Cuba.

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And Kennedy begins to rethink the Cold War, and he goes from being a pretty conventional Cold War politician to saying, We got to end this thing. We need a strategy for peace.

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It's not nostalgic to say that the Kennedy of '61 was not the Kennedy of '62, and the Kennedy of '62 was not the Kennedy of '63.

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Kennedy gave a speech at American University in June of '63. It's now known as the Peace Speech, and it marks his transformation from cold warrior on the campaign trail to a peacemaker who is blazing his own path.

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I have therefore chosen this time and place to discuss a topic on which ignorance too often abounds and the truth too rarely perceived, and that is the most important topic on Earth, peace. For in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet.

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The speech was so influential that it even reached the Soviet Union, where it was translated and broadcast across the country. Khrushchev called it, quote, The greatest speech by any American President since Roosevelt. Kennedy plans to pull 1,000 troops out of Vietnam. Then he drafts a plan for complete military withdrawal by 1965. He issues a limited ban on nuclear testing, all part of a comprehensive plan for world peace. This infuriated the military hardliners in his administration.

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The national security leadership in general was disturbed by Kennedy's handling of the missile crisis. The joint chiefs were furious and the opposition within the CIA was the most bitter and virulent in the CIA station in Miami. Castro remained in power, which the joint chiefs regarded as intolerable.

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Castro was public enemy number one to the United States.

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He was. Now let's jump forward to November fifth, 1963. Now this is one year after the Cuban missile crisis and two weeks before Kennedy gets shot. William Atwood was a deputy US ambassador in the Kennedy administration, and he gets a secret invitation from none other than Fidel Castro. Castro wants to talk to Kennedy about the potential of a peace agreement between the two countries. Now, listen to how this all goes down. What he's saying is Atwood now has an invitation to go down and talk with Fidel Castro about a change in relations with the United States.

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Can we get Atwood off the payroll?

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Can we get Atwood off the payroll before he goes? In other words, Kennedy is saying that these would be secret conversations. Two weeks after that phone call with Atwood, Kennedy writes a note and leaves it on his desk in the Oval Office. And the note says, check in with Atwood about the Cuba initiative.

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So Kennedy is back channeling with Khrushchev and now planning to do the same thing with Castro?

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Right. He's out on his own. He's trying to find a path to peace, the complete opposite of what the CIA and the military wanted. So Kennedy leaves a note on his desk, then he departs the White House for a campaign trip to Dallas. The date is November 22, 1963.

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President and his wife are going to be visible all through Dallas. President's car is now turning on to Elm Street and it appears as though something has happened in the motorcade route. Something, I repeat, has happened in the motorcade route.

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Kennedy apparently shot in head.

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He fell face down in backseat of.

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His car. The Flash, apparently official, President Kennedy died at 1:00 PM Central Standard Time.

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Khrushchev's son, Serge, wrote in his memoirs that when his father heard the news, he fell to his knees and sobbed. And all over Russia, the church bells were ringing in JFK's memory. Right after the President's funeral, Jackie Kennedy sat down to write a letter to Nikita Khrushchev.

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Jackie writes, So now, in one of the last nights I will spend in the White House, in one of the last letters I will write on this paper at the White House, I would like to write you my message. I send it only because I know how much my husband cared about peace and how the relation between you and him was central to this care. He used to quote your words in some of his speeches, quote, in the next war, the survivors will envy the dead. You and he were adversaries, but you were allied in a determination that the world should not be blown up. I can understand why people are still asking questions. The President had just alienated the CIA and the military at the height of the Cold War, and then he's murdered. Then the guy who's suspected of murdering him is also murdered. You have to ask, is this a coincidence? And if it isn't, a rational person would ask, well, then what really happened? I guess my next question is, how in the world would the potential conspirators be able to pull something like that off?

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Well, like so many political stories, it's all about the cover up. Next time.

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On Who Killed JFK.

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I came away with the.

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Feeling that.

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Agencies of the United States Gov have an interest in preventing a full investigation. Yes. I think I have the cover on 2:19.

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We explore why so many Americans question the official investigation into the assassination of President Kennedy.

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That's the shot that blew off his head.

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It's the most horrifying thing I've ever seen.

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Who Killed JFK? Is hosted by Rob Reiner and me, Soledad O'Brien. Our writer is David Hoffman, with research by Dick Russell. Our story editors are Rob Reiner and Julie Piñero. Our senior producer is Julie Piñero. Our producers are Tristan Nash, Dick Russell, Michelle Goldfine, and Amari Lee. Our editors are Tristan Nash, Julie Piñero, and Marcus Di Lauro. Our project manager is Carol Klein. Our Associate Producer is Emilce Quiroz. Mixing, Mastering and Sound Design by Ben La Juliet. And archival audio in this episode, thanks to Dick Russell. Odyssey, the Sixth Floor Museum, Veritone, Getty Images. Research and fact-checking by Girl Friday and Emilce Quiroz. Our Consulting Producer is Rosanne Galallini. Business Affairs by Helan Nadeya and Jonathan Herman. Recorded in part at CDM Studio and Fourth Street Recording Studio. Show logo by Lucy Quintanilla. Production Assistance by Rocco Del Prior and Grace Barron. Our executive producers are Rob Reiner, Michelle Reiner, Matt George, Jason English, David Hoffman, and me, Soledad O'Brien. Special thanks to Joe Honig, Rose Arce, and Dan Storper. If you're enjoying the show, leave us a rating and review on your favorite podcast platform. Who Killed JFK is a production of Soledad O'Brien Productions and iHeart Podcasts.

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