Hello.

I like your set.

Thank you. Sweatset.

Best sets are sweatsets.

That's so true. And you're wearing a sweater that we got together. Yes. Do you wear yours? It was at my parents house for a while. Right. But it's back.

It's back, baby.

How was the rest of your New York trip?

It was great. Date, May in New York. It's so wonderful. I caught up with friends. I went on a few dates, and then I had a date event.

Great.

No, not a good one. Oh, no. I'm trying to date several people, as you know, in order to not zero in on people and go nuts. So I had guy number one date planned on Thursday, and then guy number two date planned on Friday. Okay. And then while I'm on date with guy number one, I get a text from guy number two while he was in the bathroom, and I was like, Okay, I'm not going to respond. I'll respond to this later. Then walk out. We're like, Let's go for a walk, and we run into guy number one. Oh, no.

He was looking down.

And so that was one of the most awkward situations of my life, I think.

Okay, so what happened? So he was like, It is.

This is where, have you ever seen someone? I feel like I relate to this in high school when you would be on the bus or something and you saw someone you don't really want to talk to the whole commute or someone you don't really know that well, and you have a sense that they saw you and you're both ignoring each other. That's a little bit what happened when I looked up, he looked down. But then I maintained eye contact because then I was like, Oh, I don't want him to think I'm like, avoid. So then I... You did? Yes. I was like, Hey. And I was like, as I was saying, Hey, I was like, Oh, I blacked out. I mean, like fully lost consciousness. And then I forgot everyone's names. I forgot my own name. And so then I just stood there as they stare at each other. Then they were like, I'm... And then they shook hands and introduced each other.

And they're like, How do you know each other? And they're both like, I'm dating Liz.

Okay, so guy number two definitely understood what was going on. Guy number one who I was on the date with had no awareness. Which I guess made it easier in terms of finishing the date, but I could not focus at all. I'm usually a pretty good listener. I'm able to throw questions out and follow up questions. But in this instance, yeah, for the last hour of the date, I kept just feeling mortified. I just felt really bad.

Okay, let's unpack that. I mean, you shouldn't feel bad. Okay, first question, were they both first dates?

No. So the guy I was on a date with was a first date, so we just met. But the other one I'd been on a few dates with.

Okay, I guess that complicates. Well, okay, no. For BTS, we just did a sidebar that we'll cut. But I know here talking about who was the second date who you've been on dates with, and you definitely, definitely don't owe this person exclusivity.

No.

There should be no assumption that you guys are dating. No. I don't know. It's like, this is the way it goes. People date. I think it's fine. You shouldn't be mortified.

Thank you. That was helpful. When it happened, I have a friend who lived really close to where I was, and I was just discombobulated. I went over to her place, and that's what she said, too. She was like, It's no big deal. But then like...

He made it a big deal.

Yeah. I mean, he joked about it, but then... I don't know if I should leave this in, but it's over. Like, it's not... I mean, he didn't say, This is unacceptable. You know what I think happened is he was able to laugh about it, and we were able to make jokes. And I also explained, I don't typically date several people, not several, but more than one person. But it's something that I actually am doing so that on purpose, because if I like someone, I don't now zero in on them. And if I like someone, I don't sleep with them. I know it's maybe counterintuitive to people who don't have codependency issues, but for me, that's the healthy way of doing it. And so I explain that. But I feel like what happened is that he was hurt, and then he just pooh-poohed a little bit, the whole thing.

I don't like that. And by the way, that's good information. You guys don't even live in the same city. So the assumption that you aren't dating is silly.

Yes. And for the record, again, he didn't... I think everyone's like this, but I think men, especially, when men are hurt, instead of admitting it or feeling it, they'll create distance. But yes, I think it struck a nerve or whatever and then ruined the vibe, I would say. But you're right. It shouldn't. But when I would feel so... If I was really into someone, I would feel so sad.

That is the difference between me and you. We've talked about this when I was dating those two guys at the same time. To me, that's so normal. That's expected. I expect those people to dating people, too. I don't find it offensive at all. What are we doing? If you've been on one date with someone, say, I guess I'm just not dating anyone else until this person from another city decides to make this work with me. Also, not to mention that person hasn't been all that. It's not like he came to visit you or anything.

Right. And he wasn't really writing to me a lot. Exactly. Texting and stuff like that. Exactly. Yeah, it's funny.

I think I would just honestly, I'd be like, oh, my God. I would find it I'm funny. Really?

Oh, I felt...

Oh, my God. Not you. If I was the guy walking.

Oh, you would find it funny? Yeah.

I'm like, yeah, this is reality. People are dating other people, and that's how it goes.

I just can't believe the coincidence.

That's bizarre.

It's such a big city, and he doesn't live around there. It's wild. And again, I was like, maybe that was supposed to... I don't know. Everything is universe-coded.

Maybe it was supposed to happen because there are things about this person that you I really like, but there are things that are maybe not the right fit, too. So maybe this was just the push out.

Yeah, the push out. How was your- I'm sorry that happened, though.

That's uncomfortable.

Yeah, it just feels scripted.

Yeah, it does. One time, I did cancel the date. We were supposed to hang out later that day or night or something. And I was leaving for out of town the next day, and I was like, I'm so sorry. I'm just crazy trying to get ready to leave town. Can we reschedule? And he I was like, Sure. Then I went to the Grove. To be fair to me, it was part of getting ready for the trip. I had to buy some stuff for the trip. Sure. But this is like 15 or 20 minutes later. I am walking down the street to the Grove, and he's behind me. What?

He was like, Oh my God. Wait, what?

Yeah, it was uncomfortable.

Why does this happen to us? I don't know. I've never heard of this happening to anybody. I mean, I guess let us know if it did. But I feel Like, what? That's very strange. I don't want to give it too much meaning, but he was just like, Hey.

Yeah, he was fine. He was just like, Hey. And I was like, Oh, hey. I think I said, I'm going to go get some stuff for my trip, but I probably It was like a liar. Yeah, exactly. Luckily, he was very chill and did not. I was like, Cool. Well, we'll hang out soon.

And so are you usually honest? Do you usually say the thing you're doing instead, or could it happen once where you rescheduled it and they would see you at the movie theater with Jess or something.

Yeah, that could easily happen. Okay.

Because you did say the truth in that scenario. I did. And so you didn't have to cover up anything.

Yeah, but it still looked like I was like, I have a lot to do. And then I'm just going in the mall. So it didn't look good. But okay, yeah. So normally if I'm rescheduling, what do I say? I think I do keep it pretty vague. I normally say, I'm so sorry, something came up. If Jess I were at the movies, that came up.

Sure. You don't make it an intricate.

I don't think I've done that. Also, I think I say I have to work, which is always the case. Is always the case. So it's not a lie.

I mean, it all fits into work. Going to see a movie with Jess is work. If you bring it up on any of the million podcast that you do, it's research. It's work. Yeah.

That's so crazy. Okay, well, that stinks.

It's okay, though. How was your time in LA?

My time was good. What? It's been a week since we've talked. What's happened? Oh, speaking of Jess, I took a 24-hour trip with Jess to San Diego. Cute. Because I had to speak at an event. I was on a panel, and then I got to interview Jason Sudeckis for this event. I was, of course, dreading it because it was like, rushed. I had to go, and then it's two and a half hours away, and then do the thing, and then come back. And so it's just a weird thing in the middle of the week. Glam, all that stuff. So I was like, dreading it, but happy that I had the opportunity. And then the night before I was with Jess, and I was like, I have to go to... I thought it was in Palm Springs until the morning. And I was like, I have to go to Palm Springs tomorrow. And he was like, Oh, do you want me to come? All of a sudden it got exciting. And then I was like, Oh, yeah, this is why people have partners to go to stuff because it was definitely way more fun to go with Jess than it would have been to go by myself.

We had fun and we had a baby shower for Laura and Matt. Fun. She was cute and sweet. I was in charge of food.

The food was great.

Food was really yummy. We I have little Dom's Salads and Hank's bagels, which I love so much. Social Hummus. Have you ever had Social Hummus?

No.

It's this woman, and she makes the hummus, I assume, out of her house, and then does deliveries and pickups and And she does the most intricate flavors, and they're so good.

What's an intricate hummus flavor?

The flavors we had. Let me read. Original classic flavor, decadently creamy with citrus nutty tones, top with sumac and paprika. Then an herby hummus, same as above, with herbs, obviously. Then dark river warm raft. The hummus is black. Oh. And it's a blend We have luxurious black Sesame Tahini, comfy garlic, marjum, and black cumin. Incredible. Yeah. Then we have lady and larder platters. It was pretty and cute, and I hope the couple was happy and the baby was happy. Okay.

You know.

They like hummus. The baby told me that it was happy. Then what else? I mean. It's a lot. Yeah, it was a busy week. I'm happy.

It's over. Is Jason Sudeca promoting something?

No, it was just the keynote speech for the event to inspire the people there. Nice. He was really cool. I had never met him before, and he was really nice. It was fun. And it was obviously very easy to interview because he knows how to talk. He's so great. But, yeah. Let's see. I haven't watched anymore 6 feet Under. No.

You're on a break?

I'm on a tiny break. My dad has COVID. What? Yeah, that's sad. It's fine. A lot of people have it. I'm not worried about anyone. But then my mom texted me and my brother and said, Like, Dad has COVID. And then my brother was like, Is he okay? And she was like, He has a cough and a slight fever. And I was like, What's the fever? And she said, She's like, 99.6. But that's high for him because he runs low. And I was like, oh my God. Stop trying to make this worse than it is. This is not that scary.

But does she like taking care of him? Did you get that finish from her?

That wasn't the vibe I got. I mainly got like, You should be a little nervous.

Oh, or she wants to be more worried.

I probably projected that. I not only projected that, I think I also was just like, this isn't that big of a deal. You don't need to make it that big of a deal. And stop trying to worry us for no reason.

I feel like getting COVID is another thing that's fun if you have a partner or better if you have a partner.

Really? Because I don't... Because I'm afraid to give it. So I'm telling that person to get out.

Well, yes, but they're going to worry about your... Even if your fever is not that high, that they're Wow, your feet. To just make you feel like this is really hard.

No. That's called enabling.

Enabling what?

Victimhood. If you have COVID, if you have a 99.6 fever and you're like, Oh, my God, I'm dying. No, you're not. You're fine. I mean, not feeling good sucks, of course. But let's live in reality here.

I just think it's nice when someone is like, Oh, that sucks. When you're sick. Not someone who blows it out of proportion, but who nurtures and is monitoring your fever. It's cute.

I guess. Anyway, I checked in with him the next day and he was like, I'm fine. I was like, Okay, great.

And no one else got it?

Yeah. Okay. That's good. Okay. I feel bad about this, but do you have an... Do you have an outsized fear over one of your parents versus the other as far as something's going to happen to them? Or someone's more vulnerable. I don't know. Do you have that? Yeah.

I'm also talking with my mom is a senior with ADHD. That combo- That worries. It's a rational fear.

It is a rational.

It's a rational.

Yeah, not irrational. No.

It would be irrational for us not to be. Does she take anything for it? This is so funny, and I think relatable to a lot of people who share a disability or whatever you want to call it impairment with their parent. Yeah. Which is my mom denied that she had it because when I was diagnosed, I was like, Hey, by the way, you have this. Yeah. For sure. I have it less than you. And she was like, No, I don't. You're incorrect. And then she, a few weeks later, was listing medications, and she's like, Yeah, I take Ritalin in in the afternoons. And I was like, Because you have ADHD. That's why you were prescribed that.

She had ADHD so bad, she forgot she had ADHD. Yes.

That's how you know. And so even when I was little, I was afraid of my mom accidentally getting hit by a car because she was distracted. She was already very distracted when I was young, but now compounded with other frailties. Other frailties. Yes. It's just like, Oh, God. And we're all a little worried about her.

Does she ever try to jump in the hole?

She's more risk averse. I think that helps her. But if it was to catch a guy manspriting, if someone was out of line, she would do it. If there was a purpose to it that was related to social justice, but a local social Just so you can- Yeah, small scale. An individual, she would do it. But then my dad had a stroke, and there are vulnerabilities. But even talking about it makes me like, sweating. Do you worry about one parent more than the other?

I do think I worry about my dad more than my mom because he's older. I think that's really the only reason. I can see his age more than I can see my mom's. But then because when I was home for Christmas, my mom got COVID, and I had the realization. I was like, I'm not worried at all about her. Yeah. Interesting. And then I felt guilty because I was like, Why am I not? I mean, she's not 20. I should still probably be worried, but I'm not. But then I get really scared because I'm like, I'm jinksing it. No.

It's like you don't have control of anything. Yes, I get it. I think the same thing. Weirdly, my mom, there's something, too, about her personality or her... Where she just feels unflappable. She feels like nothing can touch her, but it's not true. Maybe that's part of I can't imagine. It's too earth-shattering to imagine either of them. But my mom can't be weak or be on the verge of anything.

It's not going to go well. We know the end.

I mean, we might die first.

I know.

I thought it would be your saving Grace.

That's best case. But it's not because they would not be able... They would kill themselves. I don't know how about. That would be so horrific for them. Yeah. Anywho. On the lighter and brighters.

Okay, have you heard about the hugging theory?

I don't think so.

That basically, if you're actually good friends or best friends, you don't hug. You don't hug?

Oh, my God. That tracks for me. I don't hug Calleigh. We don't hug.

I have hugged Kat in the last five years, three times, not even one time a year. And even then, there's no hip contact. It's almost like a formal like, Okay, we're Because we live in different countries now. So I feel like, yeah, when I leave for an extended period of time or something like that, where she visits, then we'll hug. But it's not like, Oh, in the way that I hug other people. It's almost like a formality, but we're not really doing this. Yeah, it's weird.

I think this might circle back to what we were just talking about. Do you hug your parents?

I do. You do? We're a big hugging family.

You are. Okay, so that's interesting because my family is not at all. So it is like a formality now when I come in from LA and then I'm leaving, we hug, and it's very odd. Oh, really? Yeah. It's very plasticky and not how I hug so many people in my life. I would say Calleigh, similar. If we are hugging, it's not the kind that I hug other people with. But I think part of it is because I almost feel like if you are hugging for a long time or deeply or intimately. It makes me... If I'm doing that with my parents, it feels sad.

Oh, interesting.

I think if we really hugged, everyone would start crying. So we're just not going there. And I think the same with Calleigh. Because the emotions are so deep with those people, the histories are so deep, the hug would release history. I hope she doesn't I don't mind me saying this, but recently, she called and she was crying. I mean, that happens a lot. Emotions are exchanged, but hugs aren't exchanged. But she was really upset, and she asked if she could come over, and I was like, well, I'll come over. So I drove over, but I didn't hug her, and she was bawling. We were just talking, but there was no physical contact.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Yeah. It's almost like a sibling.

You hug your sister?

I do, but not... Again, when we're saying goodbye or... Again, We live in different countries. When I'm leaving or I've arrived from the airport, but I'm not hugging my sister. We're so comfortable with each other. We're not doing these formalities. Whereas with a friend that I don't know that well, it's like, you're doing it in a way because you're not that close or as close, and you almost need that salutation. Whereas with a best friend, you're just like, what's up?

I guess it's a way to break the ice or to create intimacy that maybe isn't real. Yeah, that could be.

I mean, we don't really hug.

We have. We have. I think we do hug when we're leaving.

That's true.

Not when we're leaving work, but if we're hanging.

But if I'm leaving your house, I don't hug. If you're driving me home, I feel like it's a half hug, a one-a-half arm car hug.

That's how I hug my dad, car hug.

That's more comfortable.

Yeah. Less emotion. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, eggs. And I was upset, obviously. Did we hug? Probably not. Yeah. But you know what's really funny? The order of events was we were together. I got the call, and then I was like, Well, this is the result. And I think we just talked about it or moved on, but we didn't hug. I do think if we had hugged, I would not have been able to handle it. So I'm glad we didn't. And then I went home, and then we decided to get cake. And we were staying at Kristen, so I came back. But when she hugged me, I did start crying a lot. I remember. And her and I do hug... Her hug, to me, feels more maternal.

I remember seeing it and being like, Oh, she's finally letting go. Not that you had to guard up, but you were still trying to be strong and trying to be rational and like, This isn't that bad. But I feel like in that moment, you just let yourself feel. Feel it. Yeah. Which I think you needed.

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No, I hate it. You don't? I have when I was a baby. Because I wasn't strong then. Just a weak little baby. Then I have a few times as a teenager to adult, but I hit it.

What do you mean? What happened?

It's uncomfortable. It It's not... I felt at some point early on, probably, that made everyone uncomfortable. And so it wasn't something I was interested in doing, was making the room extremely uncomfortable by my tears. So I learned to not do that in front of them, which is not great, probably. But they didn't grow up in households, especially my mom did not grow in a household where crying was abundant or encouraged. So I think she's way further along the line than she received. Still, she just wasn't used to it, I think. I think I adapted. So I think I adapted.

And so how did that affect the way that you express your emotions? Does it mean you bottle things up more?

I think I did. Okay, I remember when I first met Kristen and Dax, and I was dating night babysitting. I would leave and they'd say, Love you. I was like, What? I was like, No, they don't. That's a weird thing to say. It was so foreign to me to hear that. Then their just general affection became more contagious. I think I changed a lot once I started being around them. I do think I became a lot more open.

Well, even the way, again, you're describing Christian being this maternal figure in which you could cry and you could just let yourself feel whatever you were feeling because you'd cry when you feel safe to cry. Maybe you have safety in other ways with your parents, but not necessarily with tears or emotions. Emotion.

Exactly. What about you emotionally? You cry all the time around them?

Yeah, I was so dramatic. I am dramatic. You're feises. Yeah, I'm feises. I could not bottle that in. But everyone was very intense in my family, and that was a little bit the flip side.

Did you see them cry a lot? Yeah.

How did you do? My mom was sick, and my dad was just very stressed. No one was really bottling anything in. Sometimes there maybe should have been more. I think my sister was more reserved and honestly balanced. I think me, my dad, my Mom were a little like... I love it. Yeah. There were a lot of things that I was upset about that I wouldn't talk about. Or when I look back, I think there was definitely some repression, but I was very intense. I was just always very sensitive, and so I would react things with a lot of emotion.

Yeah. I am really sensitive. So I probably did some harm having to repress because there were a lot of emotions. It wasn't that I just didn't feel. I was feeling a lot. That wasn't the place for me to release that. But then I think that's why there were a lot of fights. I fought with my parents a ton growing up. Weirdly, anger felt like a safer way to express emotions in the house than sadness. I think that was passed down a bit. So everyone was more quick to be mad than to be sad, even though sadness was probably underlying every single fight.

Of course. Do you still feel like it's easier to be mad than to be sad?

Around them? Or just overall? Yes. I think in general, that's the emotion that comes the fastest to me is anger or a sense of of injustice. Then I have to sit and think, Why am I mad? That's normally when I realize I'm sad because of this.

Well, that's good that you're able to notice it.

Takes practice.

Yeah. Because sometimes, I think for so many people, it means so much easier to be mad than sad. If I think of even every breakup I've been through, I was so mad for so long. Now that I look back, I'm like, Oh, it was so much easier to be mad at them than to feel sad. Or hurt. Yeah. That anger makes you feel like you're, I don't know, more in control. In control.

Even though you're not. No. But it fully gives the illusion that you're in charge. Yes. Even though you're absolutely not. Probably if you let yourself feel sad.

I mean, anytime that you're self-regulating, you're actually more in control, right? It actually does the opposite. But yeah, it feels easier. Being sad is so hard. So annoying. It is. I hate being sad.

I know. This is a good endorsement for Inside Out 2 that's coming out.

All about emotions. Have you seen it?

It's not out yet. Okay. We didn't get it.

It's greener. Okay. Do you cry? How often do you cry?

Well, when my medication isn't right. I just recently went up on my medication. Did you know that?

No.

Yeah, I did. I fell for a bit, and I've said this on arm's share, but I think it's maybe worth repeating for anyone who's feeling like they don't know if they should try medication. The beginning of the year, some personal stuff was happening, and I felt like someone took me and just shook me violently, right? And then put me back down. And all the puzzle pieces fell back into place, except one was not fully in place and was just half in. And I could not get that piece to click back in. And I was working out a lot. And I was doing all the other things that normally work for mood elevation, and it was not working. So I went up on my medication and it worked. It just clicked back in. And again, it's not like, and then I was happy. It's just, and then I was able to regulate. I was able to handle things and handle my emotions. And I didn't feel overwhelmed by the world. So that, for me, is the best way of describing when your hormones are out of balance. But before I went up, I was crying a lot.

And I I was like, this isn't right. I was just dysregulated. And I could tell because I don't normally cry like that, that often or that intensely. So it depends. I think my normal state, if I'm in a good place, I don't cry much. When's the last time you cried? I asked Jason Sudeckis this, too. Oh, fun.

I cried last night, but no, I did.

Because of the dates?

Oh, God. People don't even think I'd gone on a million dates. I just had a... It wasn't... Someone who He doesn't live in LA. We just did a phone call and... How could I put it?

It was bad.

He asked me one question for an hour and a half.

Did you know him already?

No. So it was a first chat. It was a first chat, and I just was like, Oh, my God.

You didn't feel seen?

I mean, I just didn't. I think that hasn't happened to me in a long time. And again, I'm sure there's reasons that have nothing to do with me, but any bad day is just hard.

It can become a metaphor for your life, which it's not.

Exactly. But I feel sad that I didn't know how sad you were.

Oh, and it wasn't like every day I felt like, oh, my God. It's really hard to explain. It's not that I was sad every day. Sadness wasn't what was ruling. It was just instability, which isn't necessarily sadness. It can be anger. It can be super happy, or I'm not feeling present. It's so tricky. But sadness definitely wasn't the raining.

Or It's just that you were struggling. I guess that's what I mean. I don't think I- Well, I didn't really know.

It takes a minute for you to recognize something's not right. Because also for a while, I was like, I'm a little low, I'm a little down. Something is a little off, but And I was like, it's temporary. It'll pass. These things pass. And then after a certain amount of time, it was like, it's not passing. So I have to take some action now. It was nothing extreme.

I know, but you can always lean on, you know.

I appreciate that. But it wasn't like, I'm struggling, and I'm just going to keep it to myself. It just becomes your normal. You don't necessarily feel that it's wrong. You know what I mean? Or that you're struggling. You just feel blah. I don't know. Can you relate to depressed? I know you have anxiety.

I know what you mean in terms of the dysregulation. I've had those periods, and it's very overwhelming and scary, actually. But I guess what I mean is I think I knew knew that you were struggling, but you didn't really tell me. And so I didn't know. It's more to say that no matter how you're feeling, even if you don't know what's going on, I'm always there. That's sweet. Even if you don't know. I feel like I've definitely told you things that I'm obsessed with this thing that happened, and I'm dysregulated over it, even though it's not normal. And obviously, I get help and support in ways that I need to. But also, it really helps to share it with others. Anyway, I'm just saying- I appreciate that as a reminder. I'll remember. I'm glad you're feeling better.

But just for people who are listening, I do want to state, it might not feel like you think... Depression comes with a look to it, right? It's just keeping an eye on what feels different than your status quo and how long have you felt different than your status quo. If you feel like removed or there's just a lot of ways to experience depression.

Of course. And you blame yourself when you're, yeah, don't want to see people or you can't do the things that you used to do, right? It can be like, what's wrong with me? And then that, I think, compounds it. But yeah, it's great that you're talking about it. And I'm sure you've already helped so many people Just by sharing it.

Well, I like Zoloft. I do like it. I loved it. And that's the other thing because I know a lot of people try medication and then it doesn't necessarily work. And it's hard. It takes It takes a while. I was on one, not Zoloft. I was on another one for a while, and it wasn't working for me, and I didn't feel right on it. And then I switched, and then I had to figure out the dosage that worked. It is a process. Totally. You have to believe in the process that eventually you'll get the right fit.

Yeah. And that you might need to adjust it. And just because you're taking more now, it doesn't mean that you'll take more forever or it's like anything. Also, I just remembered something so important. What? So someone in my family was diagnosed over the weekend with epilepsy.

No.

It was really helpful when I was like, Monica has it. I swear to God, fixed because- Because it was so It was so scary. It was so scary and all the unknowns. I was like, Oh, it's okay. Monica has it. I explained the ways that it impacted you, but also the ways that your life is totally fine. And it really helped my family. They were like, Oh, my God. Good. I'm glad that was helpful. Again, you sharing things about your life. I know I've helped so many people already and have helped my family.

Oh, I love that. I mean, I'm sorry because that's not a fun thing to hear that you now have this. And epilepsy is so confusing because you don't know why. There's so many questions around it, and maybe this person in your family might go out of it. So they'll probably keep an eye on that.

I I saw the entire demeanor change in this family member when I was like, Monica has it. I was like, Yeah, she takes medication. And then one time it came up doing her egg freezing. Then I thought she was going to die. But it was just because she didn't get her meds. I don't have a car, so I couldn't go to the ride date on time.

And then I didn't take it. It was fine.

Yeah, and you were fine. Exactly. Totally fine.

I have thought about it a lot. Should I wean off? Because for people who don't know, and sorry for people who do. But yeah, I had two seizures. They were a year apart, and they were grandma. And so then I was diagnosed after that. And I've been on medication ever since then, and I haven't that I know I've had any issues. So every time I go to my, I talk to my neurologist. He's like, you've been seizure free for enough time that if you want to try weaning off, we can. I feel comfortable with you weaning off of it, but it's totally up to you. And he said, he was like, a lot of people just never get off of it because the peace of mind. And that's how I feel. And then I feel bad if I'm just taking a intense medication for no reason. But also I don't want to be stressed about having a potential seizure.

That does not feel like a no reason.

I see.

I No. I mean, it feels so justified in the realm of reasons why you would be taking a medication to prevent something that's like, and you live alone. I would feel nervous. I mean, whatever. Don't do anything to make your own decision. But I would feel nervous.

I'm like, I want to get a sauna. You do? Yeah. Yes. If I get a sauna, though, I definitely can't get off the medication.

Really? Our sauna is bad if you- Well, no, I'm just worried I'd have one in there.

Sure. Well, that's- And then I'd burn up.

Burn to, yeah. I'd burn to death. Burn I burned it down. Burn it down. Yeah, I think you should stay on it. It's up to you. If you had another reason, but if it's just, Oh, I shouldn't. No. I think it's great that you're on it.

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Yeah, see, what's behind that? Because that's a lot of people.

Yeah. What is it? I have no problems with supplements. I have no problems with putting trash food into my body. But there's something about I'm taking medicine. I think there's a sense of like, I shouldn't be relying on this to be normal. Again, no matter what it is, not even just with antidepressants, but in this sense of my body should be able to function without it. And so if I keep giving it medicine, then I'm going to have to take medicine forever. But again, none of it is rational.

It's not irrational or rational. It's just mindsets. But I do think it's like, buckets. I have a friend who really doesn't like taking anything that's not natural. And I don't know where it starts for me, why I feel totally fine about it.

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It's so stupid. And then I'll take it eventually.

Once you're passing out. Yes.

And I've made my day miserable, and I haven't been able to function.

It's Advil.

Who cares? And even I'll take one. I won't take two.

Oh, my God. I know. I'm so stupid. It's not stupid, but it is interesting because, yeah, it almost feels like you're looking at it as a weakness.

Yeah. Or like, I'm changing my body. I shouldn't need anything a little bit.

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We all need stuff.

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Oh, we would be dead.

Yeah.

We would be the elders of the village. Gross. I mean, there's so many places where you don't... I remember when we would go to Cuba for winters, and my mom would just illegally pack a suitcase full of Advil and medication just to give. And we met this woman who was a musician, and she was like, Oh, my God, I have arthritis. It's going to be amazing. And I was like, You have arthritis. You don't have pain medication. So I love a pain. I mean, when we got our eggs frozen, that was so It was fun. I loved it. I was scared. But afterwards, I was like, I love it.

It was nice. I love it.

I get why Michael Jackson.

Yeah, propoval. I know. All right, let's do some questions. Oh, I like this. Okay, do you have a friend that you get especially jealous or competitive with. How do you handle it? This is from Steph. Hi, Liz and Monica. I'm a strong believer in not comparing myself to others and women lifting up women. But I have one particular friend that I feel so much jealousy and competitiveness with. We're bridesmaids in an upcoming wedding, and I've spent way too much time thinking about how I'm going to style myself so I look better than her on the big day. Yuck, right? She's also very charming and charismatic. Instead of being happy for her or even proud, I get irritated when people fawn all over her and wish that attention was going to meet. Do you have any friends that you get competitive with? How do you handle your feelings of jealousy? Okay, first of all, I want to give a lot of credit to you, Steph, for writing in, but just being honest and also knowing that it's you. It's your jealousy that's causing this. That's a huge step.

And acknowledging it is so difficult. I think jealousy, no one wants to feel jealous. It's almost embarrassing. It's a horrible feeling. It's a horrible feeling. And to your point, I think feelings are meant to be felt. And when we don't feel things, they just become bigger and come out in ways that are worse. And I think jealousy is probably one of the most... Because we're somehow humiliated by it, it makes us like... When you think about the worst things I've done in my life, I feel like it came from that.

I feel a A lot of jealousy stems, though, from you yourself not feeling confident. Because if you're feeling like she's so charming and charismatic, okay, so those are strong suits of that person. Great. But you have strong suits. And I think it's focusing on that and maybe writing a list out of the things that you bring to the table, like reminding yourself that you bring your own unique qualities that have nothing to do with her. I want to say that she doesn't have, but I don't think that's actually smart. Removing her from you. This is what I bring to life. And these are good qualities, as opposed to looking at another person and thinking like, oh, I want that. I want that. Okay, but you don't have it, right? I mean, like- Or maybe you do. Or maybe you do. But also saying I want, I want is just not... I've seen this and I felt it. I have felt like, oh, God, I want to be like them or I want to have that. But it's like, I don't. So okay, what do I have? And I think once you start focusing that and getting confident, building your own confidence.

Jealousy starts to totally disappear. And this sounds bizarre, but I don't have jealousy anymore. I definitely did, especially when I first moved here. And oh, my God, trying to fucking be an actor in this industry. It is ripe for jealousy and envy. And there's a lot of it in this city. Everyone's jealous of somebody. But I think once I found my own footing, I just was like, yeah, I have my own lane. So I really can be happy happy for other people who are thriving in their lane.

Wow. That's great. I struggled with jealousy. I struggled my whole life. I would harbor a lot of feelings. And again, that it would come out in ways that were not good because I wasn't really acknowledging what's going on. And to me, jealousy, there's a few things. First of all, it's that two things are happening. You're putting the other person above what they actually are, and you're putting yourself below what you actually are. It's a double distortion. And that helped me a lot when I would realize, A, that when you're in jealousy, your thoughts are distorted. You feel like this person is taking something away from you. Again, you're very much in fear. Things that are coming to mind are not necessarily true. And so what I found that I was doing, I mean, whatever, I dated someone and they dated this very famous person, right? Like, literally the day we broke up. And so I got to see their whole relationship unfurl online. And I remember just really struggling with it. And at one point, my therapist just being like, so tell me what you're imagining their relationship is, right? And I was like, well, there's this photo of this thing.

And then they went to Disneyland. She was like, do you think that he's ever annoyed with her? Or any relationship, yes, there are good moments, but there are also moments that aren't good. And what I was doing was totally distorting what their relationship was, which again, it doesn't mean that I was like, They probably hate each other, and she fucking stinks. It was more just, What's realistic? And then similarly with yourself, what's a realistic assessment of you? And I think when we're in jealousy, we also distort our own self. So we see, yeah, Stephanie might see this woman at this wedding wearing this super beautiful dress, and she thinks, Well, I'm ugly, and I'm... Exactly. No, you're not. That's the distortion. And so seeing yourself accurately, that exercise that you talk about is great, which is, no, I'm great in all these ways, too. And then there's the whole, like, jealousy gives you information about what you want. Like, I had this nemesis. Everyone has a... Do you have a nemesis?

I don't have a nemesis. There are two people in the world who I think I'm their nemesis, but they're not mine. I don't have one. There are two people in the world who think I've wronged them.

Oh, but wait, nemesis? Okay, no.

Is that a nemesis? No.

Well, I think my version.

What's a nemesis?

But also for you to be the nemesis of other people, but not you having a nemesis, might actually be the literal formula for the ideal life and mental health.

I don't want to be anyone else's nemesis. I don't want that for them. Sure.

That's Right. That's true. But okay, so you... A nemesis, in my opinion, and maybe Twitter, like media Twitter, it's like your nemesis is someone in your field that you see as you're in competition with. And if they're your nemesis, they're a little bit above you. And if you're their nemesis, you're a little bit above them, right? Or that's the perception.

Or you mean they're succeeding? They're succeeding, yes.

So you don't have a nemesis. I mean, you are in your own lane.

I did have a nemesis for a couple of weeks. Actually, you know what's hilarious? You know her. She was at your birthday party. What? I had a nemesis. She was always booking the job- No way. That I would audition for, which is so funny. But I didn't know her or anything. And I have to say, I'm proud of myself. I was like, this is hilarious. This person keeps getting these jobs. And then I met her at your birthday party. She's so nice. And I am also not doing that anymore. I'm not doing commercials.

Isn't that such a great lesson to think that, okay, in five years from now, my nemesis won't even be my nemesis anymore because I'll be doing... Right? I think that, again, is a good framework to be working through. Yeah.

It's still framing because I think I've just had a ton of practice in auditioning. You have to do so much mental gymnastics to get through that life, and you have to tell yourself everything you can. And a lot of that's really stuck with me. Really, really, it's not zero. Zero sum. You have to remember life is not zero sum. That just because this person is getting attention or getting... That's it, really. Getting attention doesn't mean there isn't attention for you. There is. And also keep your eyes on your own paper. That was a huge one for me with acting, because all you do is look around and see, Oh, this person booked this or this person booked this. I haven't booked anything in three months. It's such a racket. And you have to remind yourself to fucking keep your eyes on your own paper. Do you, do your thing. And yeah, their success doesn't mean your demise. No. It's separate.

And in a way, when I think back at the times where I was wrapped up in these feelings, it meant that I wasn't present for my own success. Exactly. And the amazing things in my life that were happening.

I also think energy-wise, I know this is so woo- woo, but you're just not your best self when you're in this mode. And if you're not your best self, you're not going to get the best. So it behooves you to drop some of this.

I have a question, which we're supposed to answer them. But I think about this one a lot, though. How do you know you're jealous versus this person is annoying? Where they're being braggadocious or they're being... Is that a word? Yeah. Okay. They're being braggier. They're full of themselves or they are taking up a lot of oxygen. I think that's one thing I do struggle with, where I was in a relationship with someone that from my POV, that was what was happening. And his analysis was more that I was just jealous. And I was like, I don't... Am I? Maybe it's both. I don't know. But that's one thing where I'm like, I think sometimes it is hard to know because sometimes it is very clear. It's like, oh, this is my friend, and I should just be happy for them, or this person is in my field, and I just have envy. But sometimes it's also tricky. Yeah.

There's a Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, you have to really dig deep and ask yourself, the behaviors that that person is... Exhibiting. Yeah, exhibiting. Do you want that? You really have to know because maybe the answer Yes. And so if it is, then it might be jealousy. If you're just like, Eew, I think this is a horrible way to be, then maybe it's not jealous. Maybe it's just, Oh, I don't like those characteristics.

Right. Okay, well, That's what I felt like. So now I've been validated. Yeah. Now it's fine.

Okay, great.

Because it's such an easy throw away, right? It's like, oh, they're just jealous of you. I hate that thing. I feel like it's very online of like, they're threatened by your shine. It's like, well, sometimes you're also annoying.

Totally. You're right. It is a fine line because I agree with you. I don't tend to think anyone's jealous of me. But then there have been some instances where I'm like, I think jealousy is at play here for them.

Your two nemesises, I think both of them, there's jealousy a little bit. And do you think they still... You're still their nemesis?

I have reason to believe I'm still their nemesis, which is so sad. Yeah. I like, it should not be taking up any brain space of theirs.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. It's sad because it's not reversed. Sure.

Yikes. Yeah.

Maybe that's a good thing to remember is how much energy and space you're giving to this person, and You have to be aware it's not reciprocated. I mean, just a real heart to heart with yourself. I'm thinking about this person this much, and they're thinking about me not at all. And so it's on me to adjust this. Maybe What's it called? Meditation.

Yeah. What are you avoiding about your... Sometimes that's too. If you're focused on someone else so much, it's also like, What am I avoiding about myself or what I need to do in my life?

Yeah. Oh, interesting. Okay. Tipping behind my boyfriend, and now he hates me. Jill. My boyfriend took me out to a lovely dinner, but when he was leaving a tip at the end of the meal, it was not quite 20%. Our service was wonderful, and I wanted to make sure our server felt appreciated, so I took out some cash to leave on top of his tip. He was very insulted and won't let it go. I was a server for 10 plus years, and I know that making $2.13 an hour is stressful. How do I explain that how you tip a server can be an indicator of something greater like being cheap? He's very frugal and careful with his money, which is totally fine. It's just important to me to also leave a well-deserved tip when nothing went wrong and the experience was perfect. This is hard. It's hard and it's not because I'm so on Jill's side. I'm like, no, absolutely Absolutely not. To me, it would be codependent. If you're like, something's wrong. This server isn't getting what they deserve. And if you just turn a blind eye to keep your partner happy, that's not healthy.

So I think you did the right thing. Me too. It's annoying that the boyfriend got so mad about it. Also, that's his issue. Again, if he gets so mad because you want to give more to somebody, he felt defensive that he was being cheap, that you were calling him cheap without calling him cheap.

Without doing that.

Yes. I think you, especially since you worked in the service industry, he does not have a leg to stand on here.

It's rude to you.

It's not a bad phrase, leg to stand on. What's it mean?

Yeah, I think it means...

It means disabilities? No.

What does it mean? I don't know where it's from, but I don't think it means one leg. I think it means you don't even have one leg. You don't even have a leg to stand on. You can't even stand.

So, again, disabilities.

Oh, that it's ableist?

Right.

Well, for sure. Wow. Wow.

Okay, I retract that. But anyway, he doesn't have the right.

He doesn't have the right.

But really, I think if you're like, I worked in this industry, it's important to me that we always leave at least 20 %. And I understand if you don't want to leave 20, but I'm always going to then make up that cost. The end of conversation.

I feel like this is on him. You've expressed something. Also, what are we talking about here? Dollars? I mean, if he was tipping nothing, it would have been a bigger problem, but he's probably tipping 16 or 18 %. It's like, okay, just a few dollars to honor your profession and also what you're asking for that's important to you is a weird thing to reject.

The way to do it where it's going to hopefully the least repercussions is to say, I totally get if you like leaving 18 %. I'm not going to change you. That's fine. But if we are together, we as a team are leaving 20 %. So I'm just always going to make up that cause. It's nothing to do with you. It has everything to do with what I think has to happen at restaurants. And then what's the argument? I do think you can ask, why does this upset you so much? And try to unpack it because obviously, yeah, he's defensive about being frugal.

I even think it's weird that she's complaining that it's like, when we go out, we need to tip 20 %, regardless of who's paying. It's a weird thing even for her to have to make up for it. Throw $3.

I think it's fine to say, we as a team have to leave 20. I just don't think you can ever force someone to pay. There's a weird thing with if people have ideas about how they spend their money, I do think it gets very tricky to be like, well, you should be spending more because it's just going to light up a whole bunch of defenses. Like, no, I shouldn't. This is the amount. I just don't know that it's going to solve any problems. But it might if you just say, when we're together, we as a team are leaving 20 %, whether you leave it or I leave it, I'm not comfortable doing anything other than that. Then maybe he'll just start leaving 20 %. Right. That would be great. But also if he's feeling petulant and is like, I don't want to, then do that. You add the dollars in.

I feel like that's the source of a weird- The problem. Right. Imagine if we're going out and then I'm adding. It just feels... So just do it, dude. Tip 20 %. It's important to me.

I know, but he might not.

But to me, that's the flag, again, especially since she was a waitress. It's not really about the money. It's about him.

It is about him. I mean, it's a little bit about the respect, but also people have such deeply rooted money stuff. And so His stuff is probably really deep, too, about the reasons why he isn't. Rewiring that is more than just, just do it. I think it's going to require more conversations, and it's going to require him not feeling judged, which is hard because you do judge him a little bit. You have to make space for him to not feel judged in order for him to understand why he's behaving like this.

Right. In Quebec, 15% is the standard. When my parents would come to the US, I'd be like, Tip 20%. I would just look at be like, you... And again, I know my dad is Mr. Looks through the bill. My dad is the most frugal dad ever, but I know that when they come to the States, they'll do it because it's important to me. It's important to you. Yeah. And so I think, again, it's not the same as your partner, but we all do things that we don't want to do or, Oh, I would do it this way if I was alone. But I'm in a relationship. Relationships are about modifying certain things based on what's important to your partner. And so that's the part that I'm like, is it really big deal?

Okay, but let's pivot this a tiny bit because I run into this sometimes because I over tip. I do large tips, especially at places I frequent a lot, because I think that's a nice thing to do. And now we know the people and it feels nice. But then if I'm with someone and they insist on paying, and then I know whatever tip is happening is not going to be even remotely what they normally get. I get a little uncomfortable. I'm like, Oh, man. I do like paying so that I can tip what I want to tip. It's lovely when people are like, No, I'm getting it. But then I sometimes feel like, I want to tip more. But then I don't because that makes that person feel like they didn't pay enough.

But that's why, again, you go, I'll pay. If you want to be in control of that in that way, I think you do. I just think completing, even if I was tipping well and someone was like, Oh, I'll just add something, I think it would immediately make me feel bad.

I know. I agree.

Look, if we were out and I'm like, I really I want to pay. You're like, Okay, they're really nice. I usually tip a lot more. I understand if you don't, I'd be like, Oh, I'll give a little more. I wouldn't do it, but I'm your friend and we're out together. It's like you just do things.

Well, how would you feel, okay, if we were out and you were like, It's your birthday. I really want to pay. How would you feel if I was like, okay, but I like insanely over tip here just because I know everyone here. So do you mind if I tip? How would you feel about that?

I wouldn't mind. No, I wouldn't mind because I also know more money for the waiters. There's something weird about this is a profession that is dependent.

But some people, I think, get defensive and then- Oh, I don't care. But I do think if you feel that need, you have to say it like that. This is my issue. I tip a ridiculous amount just because I know them. Because then who can argue with that?

To me, it's a win-win. I'm just like, oh, okay, great. The readers get more money. You feel happy.

But sneaking money is not good.

Or, again, it also entails it like you looked and you judged. And I think with this person, if he were just to be like, oh, you want to tip 20 %? Great. I'll tip 20 %. I I feel like now he's in a position where he's- He feels cheap. Emasculated or cheap, and now he's acting from that place. And so it's just like, come on, dude. I just be like, Tip 20% when we're together. That's the end. Unless there's a financial reason, which is different, but then maybe we don't go out. We can't go out. If you can't tip your waiter, let's make our own food.

I hope we don't want to answer to it. I hope we answered it. Mainly, we just support you, Jill. We support you. Let's see. Do we have time for one more? Let's see if there's any quickies. Oh. Well, this isn't that quick, but I am Okay. My friend is bringing her husband along for a girls trip.

Oh, no.

No. Becky. Monica and Liz, long-time listener, first-time question ask her. I travel for work and my best friend lives in the state I'm traveling to. I decided to fly in a day early. She lives about an hour outside of a major city, so she could meet me for dinner and then spend a day together shopping touristy activities. It was all planned, and then she texted me that her husband decided to come with her. She made reservations for the three of us, and she will be staying the night with her husband instead of with me. To give some additional background, her husband has a history of not trusting her and acting out whenever we have planned trips in the past. Do I just go along with this or express my disappointment? This feels a bit controlling. It's very controlling.

It goes both ways. There's all these memes of online of women being like, When he goes out for a boys night. I know. I just think if you're in a secure relationship, it's great that they're hanging out with their friends. You're not mad about it or sad about it or need to be But it's very common. I would 100% say something about it.

I think I would, too.

I've had friends like that where you see little things and then you're like, Okay. But then you want them to be happy and you don't want to insert yourself. But it always gets worse. It starts with stuff like that. It can escalate. Again, I'm not saying this is a situation of that nature, but I would 100% be like, why? And just be blunt and honest. No one else is bringing...

The headline sounded a little worse. It sounded like it was a bunch of girls. Like, this is just them two. But even more reason, I think you can say, I love Jake. He's awesome. But I was really looking forward to just as having some girl time. See what she says about that, because if she says, Well, he doesn't like when I go out with you alone, then you say, That seems a little controlling. I don't know if that's offensive, though.

I would just say, How does that make you feel? Ask questions. Do you like that? Why is he worried about that? What is he worried about? Have you had conversations with him? I I think that's what you want to understand. Yeah.

It's like he has to babysit you and me. No, thanks. I didn't sign up for this.

No, I don't want to do that. Yeah. It's also if the roles were reversed, I mean, maybe I'm exaggerating, but I feel like if two guys are and then one of them just brings this, it would be weird. I have friends whose husbands I love, and we definitely hung out, the three of us. But I think this is a little different.

Yeah. It feels like it was planned specifically to be a trip for you two. So that's a bummer. Yeah. Definitely express your disappointment for sure, and then see where it goes because it might end up leading to deeper questions about why this has to happen.

Yeah. And her and her relationship. And I think these are the little moments that shouldn't be ignored. Maybe she's not there yet to be able to acknowledge it, but you want to start pointing those things out. And that's being a really good friend.

Just want to make sure you're okay with this.

I think it's good to say what you prefer. Because you're just going to be resentful.

And now this trip sucks.

Exactly. Maybe you don't want to go. And then like, do you want to go on this trip now? Which is the real question, too. And if you do not, do not go because, oh, my God, I've done this so many times. It's like, well, I'll still have a good... And then you're there and you fucking hate.

Yes. And you're so mad.

You spent money and you're going to be even more annoyed with that. And who knows what he's going to do on this trip, too.

Oh, God. Our vote is to talk to her. Yeah. Okay, great. I think that's going to be it for today. And we'll see everyone next week. Have a great week.

Yeah. Bye. Bye.